Buffalo Rumblings: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Sports blogs for fans, by fans.
Around SBN: Tobias Harris signs with Tennessee

Brewing Bills QB controversy no longer controversial

Photo

More photos » by David Duprey - AP

At 3-5, the Buffalo Bills enter their Week 9 bye with the No. 29-ranked offense in the NFL.  If it seems incredible to you that three NFL teams could field worse offenses than a Bills unit that has picked up 18 first downs in their last two contests, that's because it is.  Welcome to the NFL, where the gap between playoff contender and bottom-dweller is monumental.  And yeah, there are a lot of bottom-dwellers.

Despite the Bills' offensive woes, the team entered yesterday's home date with the Houston Texans on a two-game winning streak.  That streak came with backup quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick at the helm, and whenever an offense is struggling and a backup is managing to win football games, controversy reigns supreme.

After yesterday's 31-10 home debacle, in which the Texans threw up 22 points in the final quarter after trailing 10-9 through three quarters, the brewing quarterback controversy is no longer really controversial.  Unfortunately, the Bills have entered a no-win situation at football's most important position.  Trent Edwards has struggled.  Fitzpatrick has struggled.  The Bills will likely choose the lesser of two evils (so to speak) before their Week 10 contest in Tennessee, and if the Bills are smart, they'll allow Edwards to re-assume his starting role.  If he's healthy, that is.

Star-divide

Number comparisons: it's all ugly
This season, Edwards has started - and finished - five full games.  Fitzpatrick has played four full quarters in the Bills' other three games.  In games that Edwards finishes, the Bills are 1-4.  In games that Fitzpatrick finishes, the Bills are 2-1.  That might be enough for people to stop thinking and claim that Fitzpatrick needs to continue to start, but the records don't tell the whole story.

Edwards-led offenses this year have put up 290 yards, 15.6 first downs, 15.4 points and a little over 2 turnovers per game.  Clearly, those numbers are awful.  Well, the 290 isn't, but that number is inflated by solid performances in Weeks 1-2; in Edwards' last three full games, that yardage stat dropped to 246 yards per game.  But here are the extenuating circumstances: Edwards-led offenses were hampered somewhat by a Bills team that averaged 9 penalties per game and only forced a single turnover per game.

Fitzpatrick has gotten the support Edwards didn't.  The penalties per game have dropped from 9 to 5 in games Fitzpatrick finished.  More importantly - and much more obviously - turnovers forced has quadrupled, as the Bills are forcing over 4 turnovers per game over their last three games, including 3 in yesterday's loss to Houston.  Despite that fact, Buffalo's offense has put up its two worst statistical outings under Fitzpatrick's guidance - and both have come in the last two weeks.  222 yards per game.  12.7 first downs per game.  15.3 points per game.  Aside from turnovers committed (a little over 1 per game), Fitzpatrick's offenses have been statistically worse than Edwards' across the board, despite having all the help he could reasonably ask for from his defensive teammates.

I quite realize that we're comparing two extremely mediocre sets of numbers here.  The difference might be meaningless in the long-term or to the Bills' chances of turning the season around, but they do make picking a starting quarterback easy.

It has to be Edwards... right?
Fitzpatrick is a backup quarterback for a reason.  He has limitations.  He does some things well - and some things better than Edwards, if we're getting right down to it - but his limitations have severely hampered Buffalo's offensive production.  Edwards is younger and more talented.  The offense has been very marginally better when he's been in the lineup, particularly considering the aforementioned extenuating circumstances (penalties, turnovers forced).

Re-inserting Trent Edwards into the starting lineup probably won't save Buffalo's season.  Keeping Ryan Fitzpatrick in won't save Buffalo's season, either.  Buffalo will be looking at quarterbacks starting early next January (and the respective college and pro scouting staffs had better be on it right now).  But when it comes to choosing between Edwards and Fitzpatrick to start for the duration of this season, the choice is easy.  You take the more talented, more productive player, and right now, that's Edwards.

Of course, given Edwards' injury history (including his most recent concussion) and the continued horrendous play of the Bills' youthful offensive line, we're likely to see both quarterbacks - and perhaps even a little Gibran Hamdan (shudder) - over the second half of the season.  Saddle up, Bills fans, because it can get uglier.  On principle, however, it's time to lay this "quarterback controversy" to bed.  Edwards should, and probably will, re-claim his starting role.

0 recs  |  Comment 151 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

uncle. mercy.

even our QB controversy is pathetic.

by oompaloompa on Nov 2, 2009 8:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don’t even think pathetic is right word. Whatever is worse then pathetic, that’s what it is.

by Michael_Necci on Nov 2, 2009 9:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

apathetic

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Crapathetic

by Applsoss on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

QBs for Clunkers

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

mediocrity, thy name is ...

Buffalo QBs
and LBs, while we’re at it.

by sabre74kkn on Nov 2, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A real QB controversy was Phillip Rivers/Drew Brees, or Montana/Young.

This one is even worse than Flutie/Johnson.

However, it is a cut above the one in Cleveland. Debating Anderson/Quinn would be like arguing over which is better, hemorrhoids or ingrown toenails.

by Pruitt on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree completely

Trent should start and they should be looking for QBs for next year. If Trent can regain his “mojo” he can play well, certainly better than the options.

As a side question, why did we enter the season with Hamdan and not a UDFA or flier from the draft? I don’t see any upside to Hamdan.

Bills-fan-who-wants-a-GM

by can on Nov 2, 2009 8:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i don’t know what people hope to get from a 3rd QB. If hope rests on the shoulders of that position, what’s it saying about 1 and 2? What’s it saying about their ability to draft talent and sign talent?

Hamdan is exactly what you should expect from a QB3.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trent

He’s a smart guy. Hopefully watching Fitz has been a lesson in decisiveness and trusting his receivers.

by dav630 on Nov 2, 2009 9:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d actually hope he didn’t watch a lick of Fitzpatrick’s play. I hope he spent a lot of time watching guys like Roethlisberger and Peyton.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Choosing either of these guys is like deciding which of your legs to let your bookies goon break. Either way it is really going to hurt. That being said, Peyton Manning would look avg. at best behind this line.

by bflobob8 on Nov 2, 2009 9:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

health

This line poses a serious health risk for Edwards. Unfortunately, the odds are he will get wacked again and 3 concussions is 3 too many.

by fansince60 on Nov 2, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

line wasn’t that bad yesterday, surprisingly… of course, they probably drop 7 and cover everyone

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

respectfully disagree

Looking at the offensive output, both running and passing, would say otherwise. Plus, with Chambers back in there, improvement chances are slim/none.

by fansince60 on Nov 2, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, killa, the line was atrocious yesterday. I can recall four separate plays in which Fitzpatrick hit the back of a five-step drop and had to tuck because he was under duress already.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well… I was watching at work, so I apologize… but when I was able to take a look it just didn’t seem that bad. Obviously I am wrong… but it doesn’t change much. We stink of offense

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ha – dude, no need to apologize. And you’re right – we stink all the way around on that unit.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn’t the line pose a serious health risk for Fitzpatrick, too?

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fitz

has not had 2 concussions. By all accounts, they say the damage is cumulative.

by fansince60 on Nov 2, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure, but if the line gets him conked on the head, it gets him conked on the head, and it’s a health risk. Edwards made it through five games before he got hurt…

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And with the size of Fitz’s head, it would be fairly easy for him to get conked…thing prolly has it’s own gravitational pull.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Nov 2, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But it's also much easier to absorb a blow with that noggin

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Edwards

SHOULD be in there…I just worry about his health.

by fansince60 on Nov 2, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem I see with this logic is that Fitzpatrick didn’t get mauled the same way Edwards did, and he hasn’t suffered a concussion. I still don’t know how that Jets hit caused Edwards to concuss. It looked rather routine as far as hits go.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Edwards to start

Now lets see if he can save his career, but not play so good to save the coach’s job

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

wow

yeah, thank God we don’t have to talk about which QB is less crappier anymore. They both are the crappiest. It seems unfathomable that we moved the ball on the Patriots and had sustaining 80 yd drives for (gasp) TD’s?! If we don’t get the ball at the opposing 30 yd line, there is zero chance of scoring

MARVelous - "I went from America's team to North America's Team" Terrell Owens

by MARVelous on Nov 2, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why did we look good in weeks one and two and awful ever since?

I’m increasingly starting to think the reason the offense did so well the first two weeks of the season is because they were using plays no one had seen before and as a result they were somewhat unpredictable. But Jauron, bless him, has insisted on his Pop Warner playbook and as Mark Gaughn keeps pointing out we have been using the same plays over and over ever since. It has reached the point where the Houston LB’s interviewed after the game said it was so easy to play the Bills because we had such a limited number of plays and they had seen everything on tape. Our offense is so simple that it apparently took them only a few minutes to prepare for us instead of the usual hours they put in most weeks.

If that’s true — and I think it is — no QB is going to be able to look good in our system. Combine that with the terrible o-line play (which may itself be made worse by the predictable play-calling) and I would insist it is impossible to evaluate the QB’s we have right now.

I agree with Brian that Trent should start again after the bye if he is ready. If nothing else there is a contract decision that the team needs to make on him during the offseason, so we need to see more of him. I am also wondering — and here I part company with Brian — if the best move would be to fire Jauron now and make Bobby April the Acting HC to allow Van Pelt to be free to open up the playbook. April is football-smart and surely is able to understand what is happening. I doubt if April is the long-term answer, but if the next HC (and, one hopes, the new GM) is going to be able to assess the current personnel on offense accurately we need to get Jauron out of the way. Again, I’m not suggesting that the Bills will turn the season around with April in charge. That’s not the reason I want to see him take over. Rather, I think it would help in making the transition to the new regime that we all agree is so badly needed next year.

by Macktruck on Nov 2, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brad Butler...

Ever since we lost him, we’ve been really handicapped on the OL. (Hence completely killing any kind of offense) Inserting Chambers at OT is a joke. We’ve tried Scott and Meredith without much better results. Teams know how to blitz us and stunt us for maximum QB pressure now.

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s true, but it goes deeper than that.

by Macktruck on Nov 2, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most definitely deeper

But that is one of the surest signs… OBD killed our chances at doing anything more when they determined that our OL wasn’t good enough this offseason and to start completely over. The only guy to survive the slaughter was Brad Butler.

I still believe while our OL wasn’t performing up to their potential last year, we really only needed to replace the Center with a quality center this offseason. Everyone else was set in their positions under contract except for back-up depth.

Once they decided to trade Peters, Cut Dockery, Cut Walker, Draft and start essentially 3 rookies, bring in a back-up center with some starting experience, then have poor back-ups, we were doomed for this entire season.

We may be better in the long run for all these decisions (God, I hope so), but this season was lost because of our “inner circle at OBD”

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s true, but replacing Dockery was also necessary. If they had brought in Hang (or a better Center) and drafted Wood we would have been in good shape. Or they could have used our #1 pick on Alex Mack or Wood (perhaps trading down) and then drafted Levitre. That would have meant two rookies, but with three vets beside them it would have been ok.

Using the #11 pick on Maybin might have made sense in a normal year — he could still turn out to be very good — but in a year when the team simply HAD to win and when the glaring problem was fixing the offense, going for a very raw DE who will need a year or two to develop was an act of gross stupidity that by itself justifies firing the entire FO.

But I still think Mark Gaughn (and Jerry Sullivan’s) point about the playbook is very important. It is way too simplified and predictable.

And if you put the Pop Warner playbook and the raw o-line together, it’s clear that neither Trent nor Fitz has had a fighting chance this year, which suggests to me that there is no way whatsoever we can pass judgment over either of them.

by Macktruck on Nov 2, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree with you there Mack

It would be very nice for the FO to have some sort of strategy for the future with this franchise. We have been building and rebuilding for the past decade with still no clear plan for how we are going to beat New England and the other teams in the AFC East. Once we realized Brady was the real deal and they went out and acquired Randy Moss, we should have countered with the best pass rush money could afford. Instead we let Clements and Fletcher walk, re-up Kelsay and Schobel and play musical chairs at DT. Only to watch New England move up and down the field on us at will.

We won’t be anything until we prove we can beat NE consistently

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its the bye week

why not bring in a Qb my vote would be Patrick Ramsey and a OT to see if they can help. It can’t be any worse then what we already have here. It just can’t get any worse time to let juaron go too

Rrrawrrrr, rrrawrrr like a dungeon dragon-Busta Ryhmes

by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 2, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Im suprisingly non chalant about this season

for the first time in recent memory, maybe ever, I sort of cant get worked up about the big picture outlook of this season. Maybe its because I’m accepting this administration is done or that neither QB is going to be starting in the future or maybe its because Jairus Byrd makes me all happy about having a superstar safety on the team for the next decade and so I care less about right now or maybe its because great teams are built around o-lines that have been built from the ground up together- like this one is – and so right now doesnt matter so much as having a strong young line in the near future.

Either way, I don’t really care who starts. I like Trent so let him do it but I just want to watch the team play on Sundays and hope for a win. Oh wait, I figured out why I’m not getting worked up about this season. We’ve headed for 7-9 three times in a row, I think I know what it feels like now, and wouldnt you know it – it feels like we are headed for 7-9 again. I will be psyched if we go on a tear, I will be depressed if we go on a never ending losing streak but right now I’ll take each game as they come because it feels like we’ll be 5-5 in two weeks 5-7 in four 6-7 in five 6-8 in six, 7-8 and then 7-9. Starter doesn’t matter that much.

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

POZ your numb like the rest of Buffalo's Fans

Nothing to get worked up about anymore. Our hope lies with the firing of Jauron (plus Guy and Modrak) in the offseason. Even with that HOPE, there is very little hope to know that this organization can get the next hirings “right” after having lived through the likes of Williams, Mularkey and Jauron.

Numbness… man. Numbness

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd
I don’t really care who starts

Yep…..that sums it up. And the way the Flaming Thumbtacks and the Jags ran the ball yesterday, I wouldn’t count on us beating them….sorry :-(

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Since I only get to see the stats and drives and not the actual game; even the stats are mediocrely better with Edwards. And honestly 3 games and the Bills have forced how many turn overs?
I saw the drive chart for the Houstons/Bills first two drives
 Houston: INT
  Bills: Didn’t move the ball
   Houston: 3 and out
    Bills: Still can’t move the ball

I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City

by Ghetts on Nov 2, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Halloween was truly a frightening thing this year:

The Bills’ offense couldn’t outplay a Texans team without Owen Daniels, a bruised-lung Andre Johnson, a backup RB, and a QB throwing off his back foot most of the day.

Do we even really know just how bad things are with this offense? Have we seen the worst?!

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like the majority of your D fell apart in the 4th. We can't all be Byrd can we?

Head Weatherman/ Injury Specialist of the Phinsider.

Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

by Farorefox on Nov 2, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No, but damn, it would be nice.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

18

first downs in 8 quarters. I hesitate to say this, but it can’t get MUCH worse, but, “worse” is a possibility.

by fansince60 on Nov 2, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

YES... We have a QB Controversy!

The joke is we have no QB controversy because we have no QB’s worthy enough to have a controversy. The reality of it all is… we certainly do have a controversy and we will have 8 remaining games to figure it all out…

Our controversy will be whether or not Edwards will be our starting QB next year or not. Forget Fitzpatrick, he will be a career back-up. Edwards will be playing for his last chance at showing he is the leader and QB of the future for this team.

IMO, the Bills will certainly be doing something more about the QB position in the offseason. What they do is the controversy. Will they invest in a FA to prove that he can take over the reigns in Buffalo? Spend the money for a back-up ready to step into a starting role (who will you get, Matt Schaub or Rob Johnson?). OR spend the money for a Veteran who is not quite done and can still lead a team (Who will you get, Daunte Culpepper or Kurt Warner?).

Say the Bills don’t want to address the QB in FA (because they are cheap and will lean toward the Fitzpatrick route), they decide to take a young player in the draft. The controversy here is where will they decide to take one… Do a NY Jets and move up and get the guy you really want for the future and have to pay him the big buck along with it. Or wait until the cream of all the talent is gone and take some one later in the rounds that will need plenty of grooming.

Either way, I hope we have a QB controversy because either Edwards needs something to light a fire under his a$$ like competition or he needs to be let go at the end of his contract with another QB failure in Buffalo like JP Losman.

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

IMO, the Bills will certainly be doing something more about the QB position in the offseason. What they do is the controversy. Will they invest in a FA to prove that he can take over the reigns in Buffalo? Spend the money for a back-up ready to step into a starting role (who will you get, Matt Schaub or Rob Johnson?). OR spend the money for a Veteran who is not quite done and can still lead a team (Who will you get, Daunte Culpepper or Kurt Warner?).

Simple answer. No, no and no. Because there are none of the QBs available at all. When Kyle Orton and Jason Campbell are the cream of the crop the only answer is no.

by twoeightnine on Nov 2, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is going to sound bad I guess, but

What QB has diminished running skills, a rifle arm and possibly a new zeal to study the game and his current team is set at QB?

I know… but I would consider Michael Vick in a trade for 2nd rounder

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ewww.

A) You’re overpaying for him.
B) Have you seen him play this year? Hasn’t played in years..blah..blah.. He’s just a shell of the player he used to be and that player wasn’t a good QB to begin with.

by twoeightnine on Nov 2, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The biggest issue with Vick

Is the ocean-sized gulf between the player he thinks he is and the player that he really is. That’s the white elephant when it comes to Vick. I don’t think he’ll ever look in the mirror and see 2009 Vick, only VT Unstoppable Vick.

by syrbillsfan on Nov 2, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thiink he’s seen the mirror. But I also think he isn’t the same Vick in terms of just running around like a maniac. I think he’d just be a good passer with the ability to take off when he sees an opening. In the wildcat the Eagles run, the whole defense just zeroes in on him, and it isn’t set up properly.

I would like his chances as long as he was doing all the little things right

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he has talent as a thrower… I still feel that. And when he played, he never watched game tape, and just went out there. If he has changed as a student of the game, he would be worth having. Especially if Tony Dungy came with him as a coach. But thats something else all together

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What?

He’s never had talent as a thrower. He’s a career 50% guy who throws almost as many INTs as TDs. And while we’re imaging Dungy coming with him I’ll take an in his prime Orlando Pace, Bruce Matthews and Anthony Muñoz.

by twoeightnine on Nov 2, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vick is going to be 30 next year, his athletic skills are such a huge part of his game and have to be diminishing, he would be very controversial and I don’t feel like dealing with that, an entire offense would need to be built around him which would take time and would have to be completely blown up if it didn’t work, and he simply isn’t good enough for that kind of commitment. Vick is a bad idea.

I signed up for Second Life about a year ago. Back then my life was so great that I literally wanted a second one. In my Second Life I was also a paper salesman and I was also named Dwight. Absolutely everything was the same. Except I could fly. - Dwight Schrute

by kaisertown on Nov 2, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we went the Vet FA route...

I’d be interested in kicking the tires on John Kitna.

If we went the Back-up FA route…

I’d be interested in Troy Smith in Baltimore

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Troy Smith I like. And he is a player on the verge of coming out good when he got sick and Flacco stepped in. Is Smith the primary back up in Baltimore?
I don’t like Kitna… not a winner to me

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really like the idea of Troy Smith. He’s not going to go anywhere with the Ravens – they’re set.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

right

he would want to start, and I liked the little I saw of him at the end of 2007

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was talking him up during the offseason. I think he’d take a ton of work, but he’s something of a talent.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

add new coach

and maybe it would work

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Troy Smith is an RFA this year...

It would take Buffalo really ponying up some dough to make that investment and to cause Balitimore to say, “for that kind of Jack, you can have him”.

Somehow I really don’t see Buffalo ever doing it. Sure they may throw a bid out there (if the Ravens let him get to FA), but I don’t see that the Bills will compete for that.

Most likely they will play the “safe route” and draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He is only a RFA if the salary cap stays. FYI.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 2, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kitna is going to be 38. There is nobody out there who is good enough to prevent the Bills from drafting a QB as early as realistically possible. The who’s the best veteran argument to bring in to compete with that rookie isn’t worth having yet.

I signed up for Second Life about a year ago. Back then my life was so great that I literally wanted a second one. In my Second Life I was also a paper salesman and I was also named Dwight. Absolutely everything was the same. Except I could fly. - Dwight Schrute

by kaisertown on Nov 2, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It has to get better

Doesn’t it?? Eventually, the offense has to find some sort of sync, right? They can’t possibly go all season, with these play makers, and average 200 yards of offense per game. I could understand if we didn’t have a true No. 1 receiver and journeymen running the ball, but we have pro bowlers handling the ball!! I know the line is young, but even they have to find some sort of cohesiveness after spending the last 2 months together. Why can’t they figure it out??

When it comes to the off season, if Buffalo is high enough on the board (top 8), I say go for a franchise QB and plan for the future. Should they ruin that possibility and pick 10-20, find a FA and try to piece something together.

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Nov 2, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Eventually, the offense has to find some sort of sync, right? They can’t possibly go all season, with these play makers, and average 200 yards of offense per game.

It might get alot worse, actually. Remember how bad the weather gets in B-lo.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they can get worse… watch some games with 4 ints and a couple fumbles…

You might see the Bills break some records in terms of ineptitude

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They can’t possibly go all season, with these play makers, and average 200 yards of offense per game.

Do we really have any playmakers though? Evans isn’t much of a playmaker, TO is one occasionally, Lynch isn’t much of a playmaker and Jackson has his moments. We have a bunch of solid parts, but none of these guys are game changers….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The injury card

Nobody likes to hear injuries used as an excuse but this is getting a little ridiculous. We have starters going down who were complete unknowns at the beginning of the season. Merideth? All of our starting LBs are or have been down. As much as I dislike the way Edwards plays it really isn’t fair to judge him from his performance this yea because of the horror of an o-line he has been subjected to. NOBODY would look good back there.

by bflobob8 on Nov 2, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

4 of the 5 starters on the line are playing right now.

It’s completely fair because that was the option that the Bills were going with.

by twoeightnine on Nov 2, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even Chambers was looked at as the top back up in July/August, so yeah, this is the line they basically planned on going with

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All this blue is making my head hurt!!! I'm going back to my blog.

Head Weatherman/ Injury Specialist of the Phinsider.

Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

by Farorefox on Nov 2, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wonder if Matt Baker is still available?

LOL

Richard Jauron is proof that mediocre men often have the most acquired knowledge.

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

hey now

don’t knock my former Carolina alum ;-)

by sabre74kkn on Nov 2, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"injuries are part of the game"- and other cliche`s

So is developing talented depth. The Bills seem to consistently miss that mark (as well as some first string gaffs). That is one facet of the problem. Then, there is the “Parcells” view of injuries. You are injured if you are on a stretcher, period.
Both of these point to management and coaching. Are some players, “playing with (tolerable)pain” or calling in sick with the sniffles? (Mitchell type injuries aside).
Either way, we cannot/do not sustain acceptable performance. 400+yds. allowed on defense,100+ yds. on offense sums it up. It is an indictment of the organization across the board, but, most glaringly in the management/coaching/scouting areas. “A” players putiing out a “C” effort is one thing, “C” players putting out “C-F” efforts is quite another. IMO the majority of the team is made up of “C” players. You might be able to “coach up” the Cs, but, if you are an “F” coach, you have the perfect storm. Kinda like “F Troup”.

by fansince60 on Nov 2, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Effort?"

I really don’t think “effort” is the problem here. I haven’t seen any evidence of the team not playing hard this year. The team just isn’t very good, but I don’t see people not trying.

Same with the injuries. This early in the year, if someone is healthy enough to play, they’re gonna play. Also playing through pain is only a good thing is if the injured starter is better injured than the healthy backup. For instance, I’ll take healthy George Wilson over 50% healthy Whitner (or Scott).

by BigStu on Nov 2, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing to keep in mind:

Everyone seems to think that a different QB (even a 2010 rookie) is going to turn it all around. It takes so much time and if anything, this organization can be faulted for pulling the plug on QBs too early.

I think it was Nick Mendola this AM who stated this, saying that when Bledsoe failed, Losman was the guy they needed to win it now. Then he sucked and Edwards became the guy to win it now. They don’t seem to be taking the time to instill talent around these guys’ strengths to help them mature and succeed in the league.

Selecting QBs is the one position/instance I hope organizations don’t listen to the fanbase.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Rec’d. People are bilinded by the successes of Flacco, Ryan, Roethlisberger and this the Bills can do that.

People forget the talent around them that helped make their success.

by kilowatt44 on Nov 2, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

then Edwards needs a new coach

AND someone to push him in terms of a QB with starting potential. I don’t like the competition, because I think it ruins the sync of a team in camp, but a new coach with a clear vision needs to step in.

I wish the Titans would go 1-15 so Jeff Fisher can come up here and get us to the playoffs to make up for his music city miracle where he should have been a man and told the refs that it was a forward pass

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There’d be absolutely no good reason to think the organization would hire any coach just coming off a 1-15 season, no matter who that coach is.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you know this is the bills right?

And Fisher is well respected and a proven winner

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would disagree with Fisher, and they are on pace for 2-14.

by TJJ on Nov 2, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Fisher?

The guy has 6 winning seasons in what will be 15.5 seasons after the Titans lose a couple more….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"rebuilding"
They don’t seem to be taking the time to instill talent around these guys’ strengths to help them mature and succeed in the league.

How long does it take to build a competent OL? How long does it take to find coordinators that aren’t brain dead? How long does it take to find actual threats at the receiver and TE positions? How long does it take to build a defense that can actually stop the run? And so on….

This franchise has had more than enough time to fix the issues that have plagued it for years. Sure, not finding a QB is one of the major issues, but saying the team hasn’t taken the time to build around them just doesn’t seem right. The team hasn’t been able to build around a QB, because they are terrible at evaluating talent and can’t find the QB!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In Buffalo
How long does it take to

Longer than 10 years.

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This team is terrible!

- Doesn’t matter who the Q.B. is when you have a pitiful offensive line, a team that cannot even put a drive together. These offensive lineman cannot even establish any semblance of a running game.
- Until the Bills have a “solid offensive line”, they will never be even an average team.
- Quarterback controversy! The only controversy is when this organization will wake up and start building a good offensive and defensive line.
- Don’t give me the Bills have won two in a row, when Sanchez and Delhomme were the real reasons the Bills won.
- Bills should have one win right now and I don’t see them winning anymore than 1-2 games the rest of the year!

by BuffaloWhiner on Nov 2, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree mostly,

but as far as the jets and carolina games…. we should have won 42-0 each game with all those turnovers

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think Jairus Byrd proved against Matt Schaub

that Sanchez and Delhomme werent the reasons we won – Jairus Byrd was. He would have done it again if we could score more consistently off his turnovers.

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 2, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

uh, did you see those throws?

I love the guy, and i love what he’s done. And i know he’s constantly ball hawking and in the right place…but the majority of his picks have been on bad throws….there’s only been on or two where he made a play, stepped in, and stole the ball from a receiver.

by quantumuprising on Nov 2, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fitz has had plenty of terrible throws the last there games, arguably as many as the opposing QBs, and hasn’t been picked off like they were. Part of playing FS is being in the right place at the right time to make the play. An average FS might stumble upon an INT once in a while, a good FS is around the ball, and a great FS leads the league in INTs.

I know we’re all skeptable of this team, and rightly so. But Byrd is the real deal. It’s time to stop making excuses for his INTs.

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Nov 2, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He did get owned when trying to tackle Johnson. I know many people get owned by him though.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

*Three games

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Nov 2, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, Byrd's M.O. is too capitalize on bad throws. He is not a guy that "creates" interceptions...

But you can’t take anything away from him for that. He is always in position to capitalize on mistakes, and that is a good strategy.

I was impressed by what I saw and if your offense can take advantage of what he does, it will be a good thing for the Bills.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Nov 2, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what the heck is up with Slaton

is he done for? Should I pick up Moats in my fantasy leagues!?!?

He looked unbelievable, granted our run D is terrible, but still. Moats was destroying us.

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 2, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I picked up Moats in 1 league. You can always dump him later if he goes back to the bench. I don’t agree with Kubiak’s benching of Slaton, but it didn’t backfire on him.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How can you not agree with the benching?

How many fumbles does the guy have to lose before they do something? I’m surprised it took that long!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Slaton is not done for. He is too valuable.

You will just see an epanded role for Moats in the running game and Slaton will see more plays lined up at wide out. Kubiak has been drifting this way slowly for 4 games.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Nov 2, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see Slaton used like Reggie Bush.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kubiak has already kind of been trying that.

He has been looking for ways to get Slaton involved in more plays outside the run game.

But it all comes down to him fixing the fumble issue. It has got to stop or he will slowly see more of the bench.

He is too good to bench completely, but I think Kubiak want to send a message to him, and as of the press conference today, there is no starter for the Colts game at RB yet. That is the first time Steve has not been the de facto starter since last year.

"An open mind is like a fortress with it's gates unbarred and unguarded."

The ROSENFAIL : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CAKAKE-uq-8&feature=related

by TexansForever on Nov 2, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right, but my point is this: a lot of you guys are focusing on byrd picks as part of the game plan and scoring points – its not going to continue like it has. I don’t care if he’s a probowler every year for the rest of his career – he’s not going to get picks every game that put us in good field position to score.

He would have done it again if we could score more consistently off his turnovers.

That’s not a good thing to be relying on.

by quantumuprising on Nov 2, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's a safety

That’s how they get most of their INTs. Look at Darren Sharper. There is something to be said about being where you’re supposed to be though.

I give him a ton of credit and right now is one of the bright spots I look foward to seeing each weekend.

by Zorak84 on Nov 2, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

90% of INTs are because of bad throws. There’s that 10% where tremendous plays are made on the ball.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. You and Zorak nailed it. Sharper, Reed, Otogwe, every guy who picks off a high number of passes does it with bad throws. But it isn’t luck when you do it over and over and over again. Where have the INTs off bad throws been for the last 10 years? Why do so few free safeties rack up INTs off bad throws?

People have to realize that free safeties aren’t in man coverage and running stride for stride with WRs. They aren’t in position to jump slants and curls. They play in deep coverage and the way they make plays is picking off the overthrown passes. It’s the nature of the position.

I signed up for Second Life about a year ago. Back then my life was so great that I literally wanted a second one. In my Second Life I was also a paper salesman and I was also named Dwight. Absolutely everything was the same. Except I could fly. - Dwight Schrute

by kaisertown on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So why don't all NFL safeties have a bunch of INT's so far?

Byrd is in the right place at the right time, and is good enough to make plays on the ball. QB’s throw terrible passes over the middle every game, but you don’t see that many INT’s on those throws. Byrd deserves credit for the picks, even if some were on some atrocious throws against pitiful QB’s….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is Edwards like Losman?

Does anyone see a trend here… We have a rookie QB that comes in and plays well with all kinds of potential, then after Bills coaching gets a hold of him for a while, they go into a shell and can’t fire the ball all over the field.

We hated Losman because he would never get rid of the ball. He had a gun for an arm but became stiffeled by our offensive play calling and reads downfield.

We are hating Edwards, because he looks downfield and checks down quickly to the short passes… he is hesitant and takes sacks like Losman.

Either the trend is that the offensive coaching and play calling is so predictable and conservative that our QB’s can’t do anything else in Buffalo OR that our OL continues to be so bad year after year that it doesn’t matter the play call, we can’t block or give either QB enough time to find players downfield?

Either way, I think it all leads back to Jauron and his conservative approach to coaching and trying to win games.

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 11:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d say they’re all products of the system. No one was brought in with talent or schemes that complemented them, apparently.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It goes back further than Losman. Remember Rob Johnson? Remember the way Drew Bledsoe disintegrated in our system? Our system, by the way, can most accurately be defined as playing NFL football with an offensive line that can’t run block or pass protect.

Given this record, the intelligent thing is to withhold judgment on Trent and Fitz until the “system” is changed.

by Macktruck on Nov 2, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

there is something wrong… and it has to be the O line… it has never been a top tier line this decade, and it continues.
Sure, Bell, Levitre and Wood can be good… but not right away all together. A rookie can thrive when on a line full of vets…see John Fina, or even Phil Loadholt… but on a team of rookies, it is very difficult. Butler is gone, and when he comes back, I hope he’s back to form, but its not like he was a pro-bowler.

I hope these guys develop for next season, but i hope they are a gift for the next coach, and not an “i told you so” for Jauon. Dick has to go. No more Dick

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If/when the system changes, I wouldn’t be surprised if Edwards and Fitzpatrick aren’t part of the new plan.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Edwards w/ the huddle

I’m not too hopeful about this, but hopefully getting the huddle back will help Trent. He was looking okay in the Jets game before he went down.

I’m almost certainly a naive optimist, but I still think Trent can play a little.

by BigStu on Nov 2, 2009 11:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He'll have 8 games to prove it...

First he has to stay healthy and play all 8 games. He hasn’t gone through any season so far without him missing important games during the season. A bad trend for him.

Second, he has to make some plays himself. Our OL is terrible, but the guy has to do something more himself to buy time or make the defense soften up. We can’t run the ball effectively (which helps soften things up), So TE will have to do it himself… which he has yet to prove. When is the last time TE has thrown for 300 yards in a game?

Third, he has to prove he can beat an AFC East opponent. He started the Jets game, but didn’t finish it. He was terrible in Miami. Not bad against NE, but still couldn’t get the win. He hasn’t done anything until he can do that…

That’s a lot to prove in 8 games, but that is why they pay him the big bucks. He will get a lot more big buck if he can prove himself.

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Edwards has never thrown for 300 in a professional game.

His college highlights:

Career Game Highs: Att – 46, at UCLA (10/30/04) • Cmp – 24, at UCLA (10/30/04) • Int – 3, five times • Yards – 303, Arizona State (10/25/05) • TD – 4, at San Jose State (9/9/06) • LG – 76, vs. BYU (9/11/04)

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His teams at Stanford stunk.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What’s the common (but unfair?) denominator here: Edwards has (largely) stunk at both locales.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mr. Flip-Flop

Well, it was exactly a week ago when our editor-in-chief said “It is absolutely terrifying to say this, but get used to watching Fitzpatrick play, folks – there’s a very strong chance you’ll see him in the lineup for a while. Why? It’s pretty simple, really – Fitzpatrick currently gives Buffalo the best chance to win football games.”

One week later (today), we read, " But when it comes to choosing between Edwards and Fitzpatrick to start for the duration of this season, the choice is easy. You take the more talented, more productive player, and right now, that’s Edwards."

Gee, I thought we had heard the last of John Kerry!

The fact is – as I and others pointed out after last week’s game, Edwards – the No. 1 QB – is the starter and Fitz is the backup. It’s not going to change, nor should it.

by ccthemovieman on Nov 2, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeesh

picking lines to fit your arguement? I thought we’d heard the last of Michael Dukakis.

Brian also said this exactly one week ago

“As of now, however, no quarterback controversy exists in Buffalo, as the decision to start Fitzpatrick has everything to do with Edwards’ health status, and nothing to do with on-field performance by either player.”

Same thing he is saying now.

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 2, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

since when is saying "there's a strong chance"

mean the end all be all?

It was very very possible that with a win yesterday Fitz would have been the starter for the forseeable future……..and he still might start in two weeks too………no one knows yet because Richard hasnt said whether Trent is healthy to play yet.

Simma Donna, friend.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

You completely overlooked the key words “very strong chance.” That chance still exists, but it dwindled dramatically after the offense folded like a tent yesterday.

I never, EVER said “Fitzpatrick will continue to start,” though you clearly interpreted it as such. My ONLY point ever was that IF Buffalo had beaten Houston, Jauron would have had no choice but to keep playing Fitzpatrick. He still might, but given the level of putrid, he probably won’t.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My girlfriend says Trent is much cuter than Fitz therefore there is no controversy. Makes about as much sense as anything else I’ve heard coming out of OBD lately.

by bflobob8 on Nov 2, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

we could try a man version of that

lets sit them both down round a keg. Last man standing gets the gig. Marcus Stroud is on hand to make sure neither guy is spilling beer down their shirt.

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 2, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only if the keg is full of Guinness…or cream ale.

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

(Dolphins Fan Here)

Just from the few games I’ve watched, I’m not seeing TOO much of a difference between them. Fitz is at least winning games, so I’d suggest him

Head Weatherman/ Injury Specialist of the Phinsider.

Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

by Farorefox on Nov 2, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Take it easy, his point is incredibly valid.

by quantumuprising on Nov 2, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol so is mine......

58 points given up in the 2nd halves of the last 2 games…………..

Blowing big leads both times.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you’re missing the point. he came over to our blog to offer a contribution, and you basically slapped him in the face.

by quantumuprising on Nov 2, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just asked him a question.............

I didnt know that was considered a “slap in the face”

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it sounded a lot like a sarcastic “get out of here and go back to your own team” type of comment to me

by quantumuprising on Nov 2, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it was

and if I was a fan of the other team, I would want fitz to start to.
He continues to be inaccurate, and no better than Edwards, who I think throws the better football and can make more plays.
we got 8 games to see if he can make it, but either way, a new coach we’ll hopefully be making the decisions on that

Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!

by killascript on Nov 2, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

context with the typed word is often misunderstood.......

it may have been semi-sarcastic……but there is merit in the actual question

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree. The D and special teams was the difference in those wins. Trent is the better QB (which IMO was clear even prior to the Houston game) and I would much rather watch him finish out the season.

by TJJ on Nov 2, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't completely hate on me. I squandered my GGN privileges for you guys.

Some Jet posted an article titled “Bills=Worst Team in NFL” and after you beat them, I proceeded to heckle them with a response article entitled “Jets=Worst Team in NFL.” Needless to say, they weren’t very appreciative.

Head Weatherman/ Injury Specialist of the Phinsider.

Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

by Farorefox on Nov 2, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

by krytime on Nov 2, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL – good stuff. Much respect for you now. :)

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol thats too funny.

but my comment was actually pretty serious……..I figured instead of going over to Phinsider I could just ask you…..lol

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We have a plethora of problems. They change every week.

Playcalling and coaching. Receiving, QBing, Running, Secondary, Special Teams, O-Line. We take turns on finding somewhere to break-down.

Head Weatherman/ Injury Specialist of the Phinsider.

Bender: Who wants dolphin? Leela: Dolphin? But dolphins are intelligent. Bender: Not this one. He blew all his money on instant lottery tickets.

by Farorefox on Nov 2, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Congrats on your team’s win. It would have been even better if the Bills won. The mud would have been thick at the bottom of the pile!

Twitter: helping to make anti-social people anti-socially social.

by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He hasn’t completed half his passes…. not a good thing.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 2, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

All but official now. LINK

Expect to see QB Trent Edwards back on the field for the Bills. Soon.

Edwards, who has missed the last two games after suffering a concussion, is expected back when the Bills return from their bye week, a team source tells NFL Network’s Jason La Canfora. Edwards has been progressing well and performing better in cognitive testing and should resume full practice soon.

Ryan Fitzpatrick had been starting in Edwards’ absence.

Buffalo Rumblings. On Twitter.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. --Wayne Grezky" --Michael Scott

by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

praise jeebus.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Edwards is more talented

But not a whole lot older. Both are 26, although Fitz will have a birthday this month. That said, Edwards needs to be starting immediately.

This space held in honor of Robert Royal known to his friends as "Sweet Cream Style Corn" March 11 2006- February 26, 2009

by pasaluki on Nov 2, 2009 5:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It just doesn't matter

My goodness, none of our QB’s belong in the NFL! JP Losman was battling Trent for playing time. NO NFL team even thought JP was worth signing as a 3rd stringer. The team will never make the playoffs with this regime until an experienced GM is brought on board and cleans house. Just curious… how much are we paying T.O. and how much would we have paid Jason Peters to anchor the LT position? Sorry, its just frustrating watching this team every week with no real hope of returning to our glory years.

by bwoog on Nov 2, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

NO NFL team even thought JP was worth signing as a 3rd stringer.

We have no way of knowing that. Losman wanted the chance to start which is why he went to the UFL.

How much are we paying T.O.

6.5 million dollards

and how much would we have paid Jason Peters to anchor the LT position?

About 10.5M a year. We offered him about 9M before we traded him and before we signed T.O.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 2, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JP Losman

Thanks for the info…do you really think JP would have turned down an offer to play in the NFL as a back up in order to play as a starter in the UFL? If you believe that I have a bridge in NYC I would like to sell to you. How much $ is he making in the UFL compared to what a back-up QB makes in the NFL. (Please look at the Redskins backup QB’s salary… a guy by the name of Todd Collins)

by bwoog on Nov 2, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

His thought process, and it happens in college all the time, is that he has an easier time impressing someone while playing instead of sitting. So a guy chooses to go to Fresno State and play instead of sitting behind the two other blue chips at USC, for instance.

I believe a team or two offered him a pretty futile contract, admittedly one that paid him more than the UFL, but he can always sign with an NFL team when the UFL season is over, too.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 2, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JP Losman

I understand the concept about wanting to showcase his skills, but even if he succeeds in the UFL do you thnk that translates into an opportunity for more $ in the NFL. I just think if he was a decent qb many of the teams would have jumped at the chance to sign them to their team in a backup capacity. He would have taken the $ and the job security. My point is that he was an equal with Trent, and he was let go and nobody wanted him. Thus, how good can Trent actually be.

by bwoog on Nov 2, 2009 8:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He would have taken the $ and the job security.

That’s an assumption. It’s also something Losman’s agent has vehemently denied. He said he turned down offers to start in the UFL. Believe it or not, that’s your choice.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 3, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What else is he going to say?

You don’t have your guy join some team and say “well this was his only offer, so he was kind of in a no-win situation. He wants to play, but had to settle for the UFL.” Of course, the agent is going to say Losman wanted to start in the UFL instead of riding the NFL pine, so he isn’t burning bridges before any games are even played. And how many visits did Losman take during the FA period this year? Zero, right?

Nobody is going to choose a 6 game UFL season for $60K over a full NFL season, in which you are still in the league(!), for $620K.

I don’t really know how that’s believable in any way!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 4, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that. I do think it’s very possible that Losman had some crappy offers, but turned them down as he held out for a solid backup job or an offer that was considerably above the vet minimum, but it never came.

I signed up for Second Life about a year ago. Back then my life was so great that I literally wanted a second one. In my Second Life I was also a paper salesman and I was also named Dwight. Absolutely everything was the same. Except I could fly. - Dwight Schrute

by kaisertown on Nov 4, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And I’m saying it’s hard to believe he didn’t even get a call.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 4, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not too many Agents would admit that they have a player who nobody is interested in. Of course he is going to give the impression that teams were interested in JP. JP would have made more $ by making an NFL roster. If he would rather play in the inferior league to showcase his skills which were non-existant during his Bills tenure, then he confirms in my mind that he truly lacks the smarts to play qb in the NFL.

by bwoog on Nov 3, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

SB Nation's home for daily Buffalo Bills coverage.

Community Guidelines

Start posting about the Bills »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recent FanPosts

Billsjaguars_small
On Mike Shanahan and Gary Kubiak
Hamstergolfhd4_small
3 Things We Need to Know: Weeks 5-10
Dib_small
Bills fans, I'm coming for you...
Bills_small
Release of Hamdan
Picture_2_small
Two possible father/son combos
Images_small
The Remaining Games
Sst1_small
Jacksonville weekend
Bills_small
Strong Kudos to Ralph Wilson
Bills_small
Reflecting On the Edwards Era
Daffy_duck_small
And away we go! (Thurman Thomas quotes)

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Latest NFL Headlines from SB Nation


Editor-in-Chief

Ronswanson_small Brian Galliford

Editors

Sucks_small Kurupt

Mrsinister03_small sireric

Billsjaguars_small MattRichWarren

Authors

Dynamics_small Ron From NM

Slide1_small Der Jaeger

Nfl-toronto_small kaisertown