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I think Jauron is gone at the end of this year. 7-9, even 8-8, isn't going to change that. He'd have to make the playoffs to keep his job, and we aren't making the playoffs. But he is staying until the end of the year. Even if we go 3-13 we're sticking with him until the end. Hate on him all you want, and he does deserve a lot of blame since he's where the buck stops, but it is what it is.

I think we need a quarterback. It's not all their fault. They aren't getting a lot of protection or time. But Fitzgerald is a back-up who can only be counted on to manage a game in perfect conditions. I understand people saying Edwards has to be given a chance to show if he can realize his potential, but from what we've seen that potential seems to be decreasing. Personally I think between the two of them it's six of one and half-dozen of the other. I don't think Edwards could have got more than ten points against Houston. I do think Fitzgerald would have won the Cleveland game, just because of how bad Edwards played. In any event, if you take concussions seriously then Edwards is already a player who may be on the edge of Trent Green territory, and it's not going to be long before he takes some more dingers. I hope he can build some confidence playing terrible teams like Tennessee and K.C., because if not I really don't want to see him around at all next year.

I still think signing T.O. was a good move. Didn't work out, but that's hindsight. We knew he was going to drop some balls and have . . . issues. At least he hasn't blown up. He seems demoralized now and looking like he's thrown in the towel. Sort of like Randy Moss in Oakland. And yeah he's got 6 million reasons to care, and it's poor sportsmanship, but there's a part of me that actually has some sympathy for the guy. He is a fierce competitor and has shown in SF, Philly and Dallas that he'll lay it all on the line if he thinks there's a reason. But obviously he no longer feels there's any reason.

I think it's too early to label Maybin a bust, agree with last week's post, but . . . damn. Getting something out of our investment in him next year is going to have to be a major priority.

I think we are the worst team in our division. Looks like the Pats are, as expected, the class of the field again. Maybe if New York or Miami really implode we could possibly overtake one of them.

I think, and this is sort of where I'm going with this, we have to be really concerned about the future. Enough talk about us rebuilding (what we've been doing for a while now). Other teams are building for their future, too. And they are ahead of us in the process. New England is not only the class of the field again this year, they are managing to do it while they are rebuilding. And they even picked up a first-rounder from Oakland on the way, which probably will translate into a top-3 pick. We know Brady isn't going anywhere for a while, so overtaking them anytime soon looks like a tall order. The Jets have a strong, young, offensive line, an excellent new coach (in my opinion), and a rookie who may turn out to be their franchise quarterback. Miami is in the middle of re-building under Parcells, and we know that guy knows how to build contenders.

So how are we going to become contenders? Not through the draft! Yes, the draft is important. But it's also a crapshoot. And the draft just isn't going to make us competitive against the teams in our division anytime soon (I mean not just next year, but over the next few years). They all draft too. We are going to have to get active signing veteran free agents that can help us now if we want to win. I think that's where our focus has to be going forward, a lot more than on the draft. 

So how about replacing the draft scouting report this week with a special on next year's free agency class?

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So how about replacing the draft scouting report this week with a special on next year’s free agency class?

I’ll answer this in a moment, but before I do: nice FanPost. Good thoughts, and I agree with most of them. More importantly, they’re very well-presented. Rationality is rare on a Monday morning after a Bills loss. :)

I’m leaning towards not full-out replacing draft scouting, but providing my own most up-to-date college QB rankings along with a look at some possible veteran quarterbacks.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 2, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cool. I don’t think I really meant replacing the draft scouting report. Trying to finish off all this Hallowe’en candy that was left over . . . But maybe add a weekly free agent report?

by Applsoss on Nov 2, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s going to be a rather short list – I think the only starting QB that’s up for free agency is Kyle Orton. Unless he’s signed an extension with the Broncos…

by Krenn on Nov 2, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Which should happen in the 10 seconds if that FO has any sense in their heads…

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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 2, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We should be shopping around for help at nearly every position

But on the QB front, whatever happened to Jeff Garcia? What’s the latest on that front? I’m a fan of that guy and I thought he might be someone who’d be available down the road. Yeah, he’s old, but so’s Brett Favre.

by Applsoss on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Garcia is too old. Brett is one in a million

Unfortunately I think QB is the one position we can’t fill in FA. There just isn’t any talent out there. There are some serviceable options however. Nothing that will make us a contender tho.

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by partyboybackformore on Nov 2, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia will be 40 years old next year. He wouldn’t make for a bad backup if he would accept that role, but you’re right that Buffalo isn’t finding a starting QB in free agency.

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by kaisertown on Nov 2, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I asked this question last week

Was reminded of the problems with TO. As long as TO is here, I’m sure Garcia won’t come. Maybe a backup option for next year if Owens is gone. I really like him, and think he has a few miles left.

by o.c.blazerfan on Nov 2, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OL help

Most of the good teams now have great lines, most of which have been built through the draft. From the onset, it looks as if they scored this year with Wood and Levitre (they have had their slip ups, but look strong and promising). Perhaps the answer is looking to get franchise tackles this year and build the team around the O line. I think the D is a strong unit, they just get wore out playing all game. Time to focus on the trenches and solidify the OL.

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by fansince83 on Nov 2, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Precisely! It must start in the trenches. We have talented running backs, but they are hit in the backfield probably half the time. We have serviceable quarterbacks, but they have no time to throw the ball. Jauron was a DB — he has no appreciation for the trenches and it is really hurting the team.

by IthacaBillsFan on Nov 2, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Bills have overhauled the offensive line twice under Jauron. They probably havn’t given more attention to any other spot on the team, including defensive backs. The problem is that they’re plans have never worked. Giving big money to Dockery and Walker left us with a very average (at best) line. Drafting a bunch of rookies was never going to work right away.

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by kaisertown on Nov 2, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Most of the good teams now have great lines

You could replace lines with a bunch of other positions and it would still be true. Most of the good teams have great linebackers. Most of the good teams have great quarterbacks, skill players, defensive backs. It’s all still true. Atlanta pieced together an OL last year and it worked fine. Pittsburgh has one of the worst offensive lines in the league and played Arizona in the super bowl last year and they had an awful OL too. If the Bills can stabilize their play at LT, then a decent line should fall into place with only one key addition necessary.

I think a good DL (add in OLBs in a 3-4) is something that almost every good team has in common. The problem for the Bills is that they already have a decent DL in place. Schobel, Kelsay, Maybin and Ellis already under contract at DE. Stroud and Williams have both signed extensions recently and Spencer Johnson and McCargo are under contract for next year too. Unless Buffalo can scoop up one of the top few DTs in the draft, the line is going to look just like it does this year. I’d be all for Buffalo using a 2nd or 3rd round pick to grab a DE or DT for the future though.

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by kaisertown on Nov 2, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not going to happen....we have to build through the draft
We are going to have to get active signing veteran free agents that can help us now if we want to win.

Top shelf FAs will not even consider signing with Buffalo. I would go into the reasons, but frankly, it was already been done (I think it was Ron from NM who classified the FAs into different groupings). Same discussion … at this point, nothing has changed. Maybe I will feel different when the new FO is in place.

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by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

List of potential free agents

The QB pickings are slim.

Free Agents

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by can on Nov 2, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wrong! Can you say Redskins!

- Look at the Redskins as proof that the free agency route doesn’t work. Do you think the Bills will have any shot at getting good free agents to come and play in Buffalo??
- Pittsburgh and Baltimore are all proof, as is Arizona, that you can win through the draft. Most of the Steelers and Ravens have great scouting departments and G.M.‘s who recognize talent.
- The Bills back in Polian’s day, drafted the whole Super Bowl roster for the most part. Notable free agents back then were Lofton, Leonard Smith, traded for Bennett.
- There is a difference between drafting well and drafting poorly like the Bills, Browns, and Raiders have done for years now.
- What are we going to do, go out and sign another Melvin Fowler and Langston Walker?
- The draft is not a crapshoot if you have a good scouting department.
- Oh yes, let’s not forget the San Diego Chargers as another organization that drafts well!

by BuffaloWhiner on Nov 2, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Can you say Oakland! Detroit! Etc.

Some teams, as you note, draft well. Others don’t. Same with free agency. You can’t throw the folly of Daniel Snyder out there as “proof that the free agency route doesn’t work.” Just look at our own division and our need for impact linebackers and pass rushers. We don’t want to go out and get an Adalius Thomas, a Joey Porter, a Bart Scott? Those guys all turned out OK. But we don’t want to go that route because we’re just going to “build through the draft”?

The thing that gets me about the “build through the draft” philosophy (and as I say below, I believe in building through the draft, I don’t want to trade any draft picks or anything like that), is that it always seems to assume that every other team is just going to STAND ABSOLUTELY STILL and DO NOTHING until we are finished building through the draft. Huh?

We build through the draft, they build through the draft. Only we’re the ones playing catch-up.

by Applsoss on Nov 2, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody is saying that we shouldn’t sign free agents. But the core of the team needs to be built through the draft. The Jets are the only example out there of a team successfully built through free agency and they’re a pretty average team that is likely to run into salary cap problems very soon. That’s still a team trying to build an offense around a drafted QB and their best player on defense (Revis) is another guy they drafted. Obviously free agency is important, but Buffalo has tried to build that way too. This offensive line is in the bad shape it’s in because Fowler, Walker and Docker didn’t work out. Buffalo needs to build both ways and make good decisions on both fronts. This isn’t an either or debate (not that you are treating it like that). But to take the phrase of franchise cornerstone from Brian’s article today, the Bills need to draft some cornerstone type players that you can build around. The draft is the foundation, the free agents are what you’re building on top of that. Unless Buffalo can make a Cutler type trade or another Shaun Rogers, Marcus Stroud, Kris Jenkins type of move, the team needs to be built around drafted players. They are younger, cost controlled guys than free agents are. You can’t build an offense or defense around a 29 year old free agent unless that guy is a really special player.

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by kaisertown on Nov 2, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This team needs to be built through the draft. Every good team in the league has a core of players that were drafted by that team. Every single puts an emphasis on building through the draft.

I do think Buffalo will be very active with FAs this offseason. A new coaching staff is likely to lead a major overhaul of the roster. Look at how the Broncos turned that roster over this offseason. They didn’t do it by going out and paying huge dollars on pro bowlers, but they added, Dawkins, Ronald Fields, Vonnie Holliday, Andra Davis, Renaldo Hill and Andre Goodman and completely overhauled that defense. It might be a good idea for Buffalo to do that on offense. Sign a couple solid offensive lineman for depth and to compete to start, a new WR to start opposite Evans and a new TE to start or play a significant role.

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by kaisertown on Nov 2, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with some of this

Yes, I would love to see us build through the draft. I think it’s a great way to build a team.

If you want to wait around a while.

This is the point of my post:

We are the worst team in our division now (arguable, but I think so).

The class of the division, the team we are trying to build to beat (New England), is already on a rebuilding plan. They stockpiled draft picks last year. And they picked up an extra, likely high first rounder, this year from Oakland. I’m wondering how we are supposed to beat them by building through the draft.

Miami is on a rebuilding plan too, and so is New York, and they have a very solid young core as well.

We currently have a talent deficit just against the teams in our division (except maybe for Miami), forget about the rest of the league. We are not going to catch these teams by building through the draft. As I said in the post, they draft too. I would also note that both the Jets and the Pats have done well through free agency, dealing for veterans.

Yes, build through the draft. But if we want to compete in this division we are not going to do it with great drafts. At least not anytime soon. We just have too damn many holes to fill. I think we are going to need to sign some impact players.

by Applsoss on Nov 2, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hahahaha
need to sign some impact players

How about not letting our impact players walk out the door. Greer has been playing well on MNF and just got a pick 6. Chucky asked the question, “How many good CBs have come out of Buffalo?” Answer…way to many. Brees, Shockey, and Greer are all perfect examples of the type of FA that the Bills are willing to let go but will never get.

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by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I shot beer on my nose when I heard that. He made it sound like Buffalo is some farm team. Oh wait….

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by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.... so much for him wanting to coach in Buffalo?????

By the way, you are supposed to do shots of whiskey, not beer :-)

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by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's Monday, and I'm not watching the Bills

whiskey, bourbon, scotch and any hard liquor is not required

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by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is nice to enjoy watching a football game again, but

every once in awhile I am reminded of just how far away the Bills are from being a playoff team. Besides, as the weather gets colder…..the alcohol needs to get stronger…..kind of like anti-freeze :-)

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by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It might as well be anti-freeze

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by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

similar but important differences

whiskey = blurred vision with warm relaxing sensation

anti-freeze = blindness with possibility of ending up very cold and too relaxed

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by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just realized it’s Mularkey vs. Williams tonight! My yahoo league had me up by 20 and facing the Saints D and Reggie Bush. Greer has a coming out party. Not so happy right now.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You didn't think Bills castoffs that go on to have successful careers was limited to players did you :-)

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by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coy Wire nearly played the hero for Atlanta.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 3, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That comment is such garbage. The Bills didn’t overpay for Winfield, Clements, or Greer. Greer has been solid but has he done anything to this point in his career to justify the contract he got? Ditto Clements. Winfield has been very solid in Minny and deserves the contract he is about to get but we had McGee waiting in the wings. Whati s the big deal about not re-signing a guy to a contract that’s too big? It’s business. The Pats have been doing it for years. Lawyer Milloy had a couple good years after the Pats released him but he was never that great after he left. Business.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 3, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That comment is such garbage.

Not you. Gruden.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 3, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He never said the Bills made mistakes in not keeping them

He said that a number of good corners have come from Buffalo. That’s totally true.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 3, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK.

When I read it I thought he was referring to the Bills letting them all leave. I read it a couple times now and still get that feeling.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 3, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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