Who are your 5 favorite and least favorite Bills players/coaches of all time?

by o.c.blazerfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:04 PM EST Comment 46 comments

My all time favorite Bills - Steve Tasker, Joe Cribbs, Reggie McKenzie, Don Beebe and Bruce Smith. There are so many to choose from, but these 5 stand out for me.

Coaches Marv, Chuck Knox, Lou Saban, Joe Collier and Walt Corey.

Jairus Byrd is moving up my list! His recent play, ties to the '80s through his dad and ties to my state of Oregon are making him my current favorite. Brian Moorman, Lee Evans, Fred Jackson and Terrence McGee round out my current fave five.

5 least favorite - Rob Johnson, J.P. Losman, O.J. Simpson, Al Cowlings and Mike Williams.

Least favorite Coaches - Dick Jauron, Hank Bullough, John Rauch, Gegg Williams and Wade Phillips.

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Something tells me.......

that a couple of your “least favorite” Bills are more personally related…….then football related……….just a hunch though.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 4:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah ....hard to root for a guy like O.J.

or his partner in alleged crime A.C.

Otherwise, Mchgahee and Peters are pretty good choices. Billy Joe Hobert comes to mind as well. Tom Cousineau never actually suited up, but went to Canada instead of the Bills. At least trading him ultimately resulted in Jim Kelly!

by o.c.blazerfan on Nov 2, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

See im able to look at OJ the player........and OJ the non-player as two different people....

thats just me though.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Top 5 Players:
Jim Haslett
Ted Washington
Kent Hull
Darryl Talley
Fred Smerlas

Bottom 5 Players:
Rob Johnson
Duke Preston
Losman
Willis McGahee
Jason Peters (for the way he orchestrated being traded)

Top5 coaches:(gonna include executives)
Knox
Marv
Ted Marchibroda
Bill Polian
Saban

Bottom 5 coaches :
Mularkey (QUITTER!!!!)
Tom Donahoe
Hank Bullogh
Kay Stephenson
Turk Schonert/Steve Fairchild

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by sireric on Nov 2, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Rusty Jones

Thurman Thomas was on the fan 590 radio in Toronto this morning. He said that since Rusty Jones (strength and conditioning coach) left Buffalo, that this team has gone downhill. He said the injuries and the second half collapses can be attributed to conditioning. Rusty Jones is now the strength and conditioning coach of the Bears.

He also questioned how soft training camp was. I tried to find a link on their website, but they didn’t post this segment online.

I don’t know much about the program (strength and conditioning) but hearing it from Thurman made me wonder.

by Northern Bills on Nov 2, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

That’s because their current strength and conditioning coach, JT, is too busy doing ads for the buffalo and rochester athletic clubs. Who would want to “train like the Bills” if all it leads to is injury?!

Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!

by fansince83 on Nov 2, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Rec'd for hilarity.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 2, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Plus that dude looks like he works out his Drive Thru window arm more than anything else.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 2, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Totally agree...

Two of the biggest losses from the Bills FO and Coaches were Rusty Jones and Bill Polian.

Two players that stand-out as major losses were Pat Williams and Antoine Winfield.

by dabillsr1 on Nov 2, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How can you put OJ on a list of least favorite players? He was lights out for this team.
Joe Cribbs whined and moaned through half his Buffalo career. Should he be on the favorite list while OJ wallows on least favorite?

My top 5 players will include Frank Reich always and forever.

And what was wrong with Wade Phillips? That guy was such a bastard for taking us to the playoffs, right?

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My main problem with Wade

Starting Rob Johnson over Flutie in the playoffs. Creating a QB controversy where there shouldn’t have been one. He is actually a pretty good D-coordinator, but this was one of the worst decisions ever.

I was a kid when Cribbs was the featured back, and didn’t know much about his whining. It was him, Jerry Butler, Fred Smerlas and Frank Lewis that first drew me to the team in ’80 and ’81, so more of a sentimental pick than anything.

As a player, O.J. was obviously a Bills great, but now it’s embarrassing to have him be one of our best ever. Travis Henry is in this category too. He was a tough runner and very underrated, but off the field a total nut.

by o.c.blazerfan on Nov 3, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

All time faves: Steve Freeman, Ray Bentley, James Lofton, Pat Williams, Bobby Chandler.

All time Least Faves: Travis Henry, Andre Reed, Rosie Leaks, John Hagy, and Peter.

by T McGee on Nov 2, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

i loved

Travis Henry. Not personally but as a player.

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 3, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I can see that – he consistently ran hard, which you have to love. Just can’t help mix the person and the player. That’s the reason I have a few of my bottom five on the list.

by T McGee on Nov 3, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't get behind you on Reed

We wouldn’t have the comeback without him. He was tough over the middle and did so much for those late ’80’s early ’90’s Bills. The last year or 2 must have done it for you.

I was too young, but was Leaks a whiner?

by o.c.blazerfan on Nov 3, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ll admit, as I said above, a lot of this is personality. As a friend of a former employee at OBD, I got to rub shoulders with a lot of those SB teams – granted, toward the end, not during their 89-92 peak – and was not a fan of ’Dre.

Leaks was – as his name unfortunately dictates – a fumbling machine.

Henry – balls out on the field; a slime off of it. He was no saint in BFLO either, although not to the extreme which he later became known for.

by T McGee on Nov 3, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Top 5 players

1. Thurman
2. Antoine Winfield
3. Jim Kelly
4. Ted Washington
5 tie. Doug Flutie & Lee Evans

Bottom 5
1. Rob Johnson
2. Mike Williams
3. John McCargo
4. Al Edwards
5. Antowain Smith

by Zorak84 on Nov 2, 2009 9:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Al Edwards?

Why?

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by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Edwards

You know, I’m not sure how it started. Probably something to do with bad kick returns.
But it snowballed as I became an avid Tecmo player and had to watch him fumble punt returns.

by Zorak84 on Nov 3, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He was damn slow in Tecmo too

I’d always throw Reed or Beebe in at returner because of speed!

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by Kurupt on Nov 3, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My Players

Top 5

1. Jack Kemp – I can believe nobody has him yet
2. Bruce Smith
3. Jim Kelly
4. Thurman Thomas
5. Steve Tasker

Bottom 5

1. Jason Peters
2. Travis Henry
3. Willis McGahee
4. Mike Williams
5. T.O.

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 2, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

wow Joe P

our lists for top 5 are very similar. My number one is also Jack Kemp even though I never saw him play – I just thought he was the man. In many ways he represents what being a leader is all about .

My number two is also Bruce. Hands down the greatest football player I’ve ever seen play. Probably the greatest defender I’ll ever watch as a fan of the Bills. Being a kid, watching Bruce was so exciting because you knew if you just kept your eye on him long enough he was going to do something that made you jump up and down in amazement.

Jim is a good number 3 and Thurman a good number 4.

The only place I disagree with you is that I have Terrence McGee at number 5. This season just makes me appreciate him more. The guy has stayed on the field when just about everyone els has gone down and hes done it hurting and aching. He always plays hard and is the most underrated member of our defense in my opinion. He contains number 1 receivers regularly and he is a class act. Mostly, hes just been a reliable you can always count on me to give you 100% and to play well during this horrible decade of Bills football.

everyone has Travis Henry on their bottom five but I loved having Travis. I hated when McGahee replaced him.

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 3, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree on Henry. Travis was a beast, and had a solid Bills career. Yes he fathered many a child and became a drug user/mule/dealer, but the later was after he left the Bills.

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by sireric on Nov 3, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

McGee is a good pick ,but I went with Tasker because he re-defined the position...best gunner ever IMO.

Travis played well for us, but was a dbag. Just look at what he has become.

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 4, 2009 2:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't believe nobody has called me out for having T.O. in my bottom 5??????

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I suppose I'll join the convo....

Favorite Coaches: Marv, Wade Phillips, Ted Cottrell, Ted Marchibroda, nobody

Least Favorite coaches…..Greggggg Williams, Dick Jauron, Turk Schonert, Kevin Gilbride, about 30 others

Top 5 players:
1. Jim Kelly
2. Thurman Thomas
3. Darryl Talley
4. Biscuit
5. Terrence McGee
6. Chris Kelsay

Bottom 5:
1. McGahee
2. Trey Teague
3. Donte Whitner
4. Losman
5. Mike Williams

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 2, 2009 11:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I would never guess you like McGee that much or Whitner that little.

Sweet home Orchard Park.
jb

by thurman on Nov 3, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

6. Chris Kelsay

subtle

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 3, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Top 5 Players:
Andre Reed
Bruce Smith
Henry Jones
Thurman
Bob Chandler

Bottom 5:
Rob Johnson
Leon “Dr. Sack” Seals
Mike Williams
Jason Peters
Scott Norwood (sorry – had to be said)

by Pruitt on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Dr. Sack!!! Wow. Forgot about him.

One of the most ironic nicknames ever. Good call.

by T McGee on Nov 3, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Miss one kick and your on the bottom???? Good Lord :-)

"Are the Bills better than we think, or do they just suck the life out of most teams they play and drag them down to their level? - oompaloompa

by Joe P. on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I grew up with the Marv Levy era Bills, so I have a lot of great memories of getting excited watching those guys. My favorite on offense was Andre Reed, and on D was definitely Darryl Talley with his spiderman spandex. Cornelius Bennett was a close second along with Bruuuuuce who kind of scared me but was fascinating.

Rounding out the list were Don Beebe, Frank Reich, Thurman, and Jim Kelly. Identifying any line players was definitely over my head. I didn’t dislike anybody in those days except for Bryan Cox of the Dolphins :)

I kind of took a break from the Bills during college and went from fandom to disdain, so my list of least favorites mostly comes from that time:

Rob Johnson (I was a Flutie fan)
Willis MacGahee
Losman
Roscoe
TO

I can’t dislike anybody for not measuring up as a player, for me its all about attitude, and these guys need/needed an adjustment.

by k8 on Nov 3, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Attitude is a big theme

How can you dislike someone like Tasker, Kelly, Reich, Talley etc. who bring a toughness and great attitude to the field? A common theme among the least favorite is whining, being a prima donna or just not living up to the hype.

by o.c.blazerfan on Nov 3, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

My 2 Cents

Top:
Kelly
Bruuuuuuuuce (say it with me…)
Thurmanator
Reich
Tasker

Bottom:
Norwood (seriously, I’m the first guy to say this…)
MacGahee
Losman
Erik Flowers
Ruben Brown

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-"What!!?"

by KGun on Nov 3, 2009 2:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Norwood (seriously, I’m the first guy to say this…)

Actually, no you weren’t. See Pruitt.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 3, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Norwood had 1 bad play that sticks in everyone's head

How many bad plays did Rob (Robosack) Johnson have? How many game-ruining turnovers did J.P. have. Include the trades and picks wasted to get them and it really compounds. Norwood was a free agent who performed at a pro bowl level for a long time. He didn’t single handedly lose that game. A heartbreaking moment, but a solid career.

Crummy play for wasted high draft picks could be a sub-category of suckiness: Mike Williams, Perry Tuttle, Walt Patulski, Phil Dokes etc.

by o.c.blazerfan on Nov 3, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah But...

It wasn’t just one play. It was THE play.

by Pruitt on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't your rememeber all the bad passes and dropped balls that lead to that rather long field goal.....yes it was

a long field goal at that time. I love Norwood and so did the fans, even after he missed that kick.

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by Joe P. on Nov 4, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmmmm

Top Coaches: Marv, Jerry Gray, Bill Polian, Dick LeBeau, Bobby April, Lou Saban, Bill Kollar
Bastardfaces: Mularkey, Greggg Williams, Turk Schoenert

Tops:
The Biscuit
Jimbo
Squirman/Kenny Davis
Bruce
Daryll Talley
Jim Ritcher
Andre Reed/Don Bebee/James Lofton/Lee Evans/Eric Moulds
Steve Christie
Kent Hull
Bryce Paup
Takeo Spikes
Ted Washington
Larry Centers
Fast Freddy Smith

Bottoms:
Losman/Johnson (I defended both of them and I feel dirty.)
Mike Williams
Roscoe Parrish
Jason Peters
All of the failed attempts at patchwork O-lines since 1997.

Current:
Byrd (I was high on him once I found out he would fight for staring FS… seriously.)
Lee
Moorman
Freddy Jack
Lynch when he’s in beefmoe
McGee
Bryan Scott
Schobel
Stroud/Williams
Steve Johnson
Our O-line: the first three games this season.
Poz
Brian Galliford

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by NeverendingOptimism on Nov 3, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Brian Galliford

I heard the butt-kissing noise as soon as I logged on.

No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.

by sireric on Nov 3, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

HAHAHA.

Hey, when he stops writing dynamite articles, I’ll stop reading. Seriously, you guys and our cummunal analysis is so much better more than anything that comes out of OBD or other outlets.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Nov 3, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs