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WIVB: Gruden was Bills' first choice as Jauron's replacement

The Buffalo Bills have begun their coaching search after firing Dick Jauron on Tuesday. Since that day, the Bills have been linked to two of the biggest names available in the coaching market; the team will meet with former Denver coach Mike Shanahan next week, and there are reports that Bill Cowher is on their short list as well.

According to a WIVB report, you can add Jon Gruden's name to the list, too. Then you can go ahead and cross it off again.

Sources told WIVB that Gruden was team owner Ralph Wilson's first choice to replace the departed Jauron. According to the report, team officials requested a face-to-face meeting with Gruden; whether they got that meeting or not is unclear, but the end result is the same - Gruden turned the Bills down.

On Monday, Gruden signed a contract extension with ESPN to remain a color analyst on Monday Night Football through at least the 2010 season. He said after signing that extension that for now, he has no interest in returning to coaching. Gruden last coached in 2008, when he led Tampa Bay to a 9-7 record.

The report also indicates that Wilson offered Jauron the opportunity to finish out the season as the Bills' head coach, an offer Jauron quickly declined. Perry Fewell will make his debut as the Bills' interim head coach tomorrow afternoon in Jacksonville.

You can keep track of all of the news and rumors surrounding Buffalo's head coaching search - which his likely to last a little while - at this link.

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That’s interesting news. I like Gruden the person and think that he’s a good coach, but I’m not really sold on the WCO scheme that he likes to run. Buffalo needs a blue-collar team that is built around a strong running game and solid defense – not a dink-and-dunk offense.

That said, it is dissapointing that Gruden turned the job down. Hopefully, this doesn’t turn into a trend w/ these big name coaches. Every individual is different, so I guess we’ll have to wait and see…

John I.

by jri111 on Nov 21, 2009 8:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

The thing that bothers me is

that it is being reported Gruden was the Bills first choice. Why leak that info at this time? I can’t believe that would sit well with Shanny and Cowher. Does this mean that they have already turned Ralph down as well? Our list of HC candidates may have just gotten considerably shorter :-(

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by Joe P. on Nov 21, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Gruden leaked it.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s possible. Again, I re-iterate what I said Thursday, and what BillsNYC said below – losing out on these guys wouldn’t be the end of the world.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True.....and in the long run it might be a good thing if the Bills hire the right GM who gets to hire his own guy

But, it would have given the Bills a big boost to land on of the big names. The search continues…….

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by Joe P. on Nov 21, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Losing out on Shanahsan

Is at least 3-4 more years in the cellar unless we get lucky.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 21, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. Losing out on a big name coach isn’t the end of the world. Look at Atlanta or Baltimore.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

According to a WIVB report, you can add Jon Gruden’s name to the list, too. Then you can go ahead and cross it off again.

I bet you’re that kind of person, Brian. Add something to your to-do list that you’ve already done and then cross it off. Therapeutic really.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 8:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

So Jauron WASN'T fired midseason

He was told that he would be fired at the end of the season and chose to resign.

by Sixteenthback on Nov 21, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I admire Ralph Wilson for handling it that way. I understand why Jauron wouldn’t want to stay on. It’s one thing being labeled a lame duck, another thing entirely knowing you’re that lame duck.

I suppose this was the only way Wilson was comfortable in firing someone who was a genuinely great person.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

by juaron resigning instead of finishing the season does that mean the bills do not owe him the remaining money on his contract???

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by Moe_frm_B_ on Nov 21, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He will be making (most?) of that money.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

According to the Bills he was “relieved of his duties”. That’s the official announcement anyways.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably a

Zorn-like situation.

by Ono on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

I would have loved Gruden, but like all the big names each has there bright spots, superbowl ring(s), and the negatives.

But did he really turn the Bills down, or was his contract with ESPN already renewed?
I heard this was the first year he was able to see all of his sons football games and that he enjoyed the family time he was getting with being a commentator opposed to a coach.

I just can’t believe Jauron didn’t finish the season. Not that I think he is a quitter, but maybe he knew he had lost the team from a coaching perspective, and not as a personal perspective.

7 games and counting!!!

by Rudy916 on Nov 21, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I just can’t believe Jauron didn’t finish the season. Not that I think he is a quitter, but maybe he knew he had lost the team from a coaching perspective, and not as a personal perspective.

Leaving the team is the only thing Jauron would do. What does he get out of staying? Not money – he gets that no matter what. What does the team get out of it? Nothing worth sticking around for. Why the hell would he want to coach as an official lame duck? Jauron’s an honorable man, and had there been a point to his staying – something that would have helped him or his guys – I’m sure he would have done.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Brian

If he decided to leave midseason versus finishing it out, that is quitting. Thus you don’t get paid, unless Wilson said “I’m going to fire you at the end of the season, but if you decide to leave now I’ll pay you because I’m not cheap.”. And is Jauron a source of yours? I mean how many times do you need to clarify something with Jauron is an honorable man.

by mckelvin on Nov 21, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. Dick Jauron tells me all his deepest, darkest secrets. I can’t possibly just respect him.

Thus you don’t get paid, unless Wilson said "I’m going to fire you at the end of the season, but if you decide to leave now I’ll pay you because I’m not cheap."

This makes no sense. He gets the money even if he’s fired. But Wilson’s going to offer to pay him if he quits? That’s the exact opposite of what happened with Wade Phillips, whom Wilson insisted “resigned” so he wouldn’t have to pay out the rest of his contract.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Circular logic

Jauron wasn’t really earning his money while coaching (i.e. not fielding a winner), was given the opportunity to finish out the year (still not earning his money but at least showing up for work), chose to be fired (Wilson said he relieved Jauron of his duties—that’s a firing, not a resignation) and is somehow honorable because of it? The honorable course would have been to resign without Wilson needing to push the issue. To be clear, I’m not saying that Jauron is somehow dishonorable. Rather, this wasn’t one of his better moments.

The only good that comes out of Jauron quitting—since Buffalo won’t be using the rest of the season to install a new coaching staff, schemes, etc—is that Perry Fewell gets to showcase his talents to the league. He’s behind the eight ball, to be sure, but at least when/if he does get a legit shot at a head coaching gig he’ll have some experience.

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say that this move was honorable. I’m saying that had there been a legitimate reason to stay, he might have done the honorable thing and stayed.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing things through isn’t a legitimate reason in and of itself?

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think so, no. The difference between he and, say, Rod Marinelli, is that no one actually told him he’d be fired. Both men could see it coming, but Jauron knew it unequivocally. Can you honestly name a head coach who coached out the remainder of a season when he knew beyond the shadow of a doubt that he’d be canned?

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t think of any who have quit knowing they’d be fired at the end of the season. I’m sure there have been some, though the only ones that come to mind quit to take a college gig….and weren’t as certain as Jauron to get fired anyway.

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Zorn?

Dick Jauron going into this season?

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by Kurupt on Nov 21, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jauron wouldn’t have been fired if he did a good job during the season. Jauron now could put together 5 wins and still not be retained. Different.

Jim Zorn hasn’t been told he’s fired has he? Besides he has an opportunity to coach again down the road. This is Jauron’s last chance to be a head coach. He has nothing to coach for really.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wait what?

Jauron is fired MRW. Its over man!! Why are you talking the present tense.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He used Jauron at the beginning of the season as an example.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jauron now could put together 5 wins and still not be retained. Different.

This sounds like four days ago! haha I just thought it was funny. That post read like the near past – it was a trip down recent memory lane.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zorn won't be back

isn’t that the question Brian was asking?

Jauron going into the year was a lame duck, so I thought that fit too.

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by Kurupt on Nov 21, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not exactly. I was asking which head coaches knew, unequivocally and without doubt, because they had been told for certain, that they were going to be fired and still stayed on to coach.

There’s a massive difference between having a pretty concrete idea you’re gone, and the owner telling you you’re gone no matter what you do and asking you to stay on.

Why does this even matter?

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I 100% agree with you
The honorable course would have been to resign without Wilson needing to push the issue.

I could not agree more. When you get paid to do a certain job with certain expectations you know deep inside when you are not living up to your side of the bargain. To accept the extension, knowing what the expectations were, without a concrete plan in place was not honorable at all. And then to force Mr Wilson’s hand, knowing that Mr Wilson likes him a lot and respects him a lot, to force Wilson into firing him and then stick him for $7.5M still owing on his contract… This is about as far from honorable as it gets.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Nov 21, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the one side,

the other side is he didn’t do anything dishonorable as a contract is guaranteed. It’s in the language you get the money, regardless of whether you suck and get fired. It’s not dishonorable to receive what has already been agreed upon.

by Buffalonian on Nov 21, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No disrespect but..

When someone offers you a contract with expectations and you agree that you are able to deliver on those expectations YOU also have obligations, not just the poor dumb owner. My beef is that Jauron accepted the money and agreed to deliver on the expectations and didn’t have a solid plan in place how to do it. He’s been doing this for a very long time, he’s been consistently bad, he’s never had a winning record except for one year. OK he brings in TO but then he flushes the whole O-Line, and doesn’t bring in a solid QB to backup Trent. What exactly was he thinking?

I am a consultant and I earn a very good living. I do not accept mandates that I don’t think I can deliver successfully because I don’t want to ruin my name. When Wilson extended him, Mr Wilson was very honorable because he gave Dick an extention even though he never had a winning seaso since coming to Buffalo but it looked like he was turning the corner. An honorable guy would have acknowledged that he severely under produced and as a result would resign knowing that the owner was unhappy and wanted out. To be honest I never understood why Mr Wilson gave him such an extension without any clauses but regardless, Jauron shouldn’t be portrayed as a mother theresa because he took advantage of Mr Wilson – pure and simple. Deep in his soul he knows that Mr Wilson wanted a lot more from this team and Jauron knows that he didn’t have it in him and should have done the honorable thing which he did not. Mr Wilson not only extended him (foolishly) but he also dug deep into his pockets to pay for a star receiver (hire gun) to help get the job done. Mr Wilson was very honorable throughout all of this and Jauron certainly was not!

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Nov 21, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My beef is that Jauron accepted the money and agreed to deliver on the expectations and didn’t have a solid plan in place how to do it.

You are bashing a guy who was 5-1 and thought things were going well for accepting a contract? Man you are just looking for things to get irritated over now. It’s honorable to turn down a contract?

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought that Jauron didn’t sign the contract until after the Jets game…by which point 5-1 was a nostalgic memory.

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that the FO was just very hesistant to officially announce the extension. They were waiting for a good opportunity to announce it, but as we all know, that moment never came.

by karovda on Nov 21, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It was before the Dolphins game, actually. We were 5-1 at that time.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 22, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why must people defend this guy like he’s mother theresa? His four first wins were against horrible teams that combined for 16-48 last season even Jauron knew that his record was not entirely what it seemed.

He got an extension that he didn’t deserve, started losing immediately afterwards, didn’t change a thing in his approach or strategy and continued to lose this year. He knew that he didn’t deserve that raise and he chose to force Mr Wilson’s hand instead of doing the honorable thing.

That’s like when you go to the store and the clerk gives you back an extra $20 by mistake and doesn’t realize it, do you accept it or give it back? There’s only one answer.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Nov 21, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He got an extension that he didn’t deserve, started losing immediately afterwards, didn’t change a thing in his approach or strategy and continued to lose this year.

Right. Signing TO… no-huddle offense… firing the offensive coordinator… taking a big gamble on the O-Line because last year’s unit wasn’t great… Jauron didn’t change a thing!

Dude, the guy is gone. You need to let go of this insane hatred you have of him. You’re crucifying him because he tried at his job. If us disagreeing with you is interpreted as us “defending this guy like he’s mother theresa,” then your irrationality is much more deep-rooted than even I thought. I mean, holy crap.

Breathe in. Breathe out. You got your wish. He’s gone. If you keep going like this, you’re going to be berating those of us who don’t despise his very existence until the end of the time – and that’ll be fun for no one.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 22, 2009 8:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're also not an NFL head coach

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by Kurupt on Nov 22, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ralph and OBD should take a deep breath

The problem is not just a head coach problem; it is the entire organization. Plugging a coach into the existing organization will not work, unless of course you consider 7 and 9 a success. Someone new and dynamic has to be put in charge of all things football, including the hiring of a head coach.

by jpheff on Nov 21, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah – a question I’ve been pondering. How pissed would Bills fans be if they went out and got a respectable coach with say over the front office structure who was OK with Tom Modrak and kept him around?

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You like Modrak, though, Brian.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do, but I get the feeling that crowd is small. And I’m not so infatuated with him that I’d be upset if a new guy replaced him.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah that’s pretty much how I feel on Modrak, too.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind Modrak either

I just do not like John Guy. I will say this though, I would love a combo Billick Casserly. That is my dream pair!!!

by The Irishman on Nov 21, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m on the Casserly wagon. He should replace Guy or Modrak!

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by NeverendingOptimism on Nov 21, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“That crowd is small”

Yeah it’s 1 …. YOU.

by Michael_Necci on Nov 21, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, no it isn’t. But I appreciate the hyperbole. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m in the crowd, but I wouldn’t cry if Modrak got demoted or just fired altogether.

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by NeverendingOptimism on Nov 21, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I knew all the picks that Modrak wanted over the past 4-5 years. I know about the Cutler pick over Whitner only because he’s said it publicly. I wonder which other picks? It would give me a better appreciation for him as a GM, without such information I think I have to pass on him as a possibility.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Nov 21, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m 95% certain that Maybin was a Modrak pick.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 21, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That just one pick man. And I haven’t given up yet.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Nov 21, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, neither have I. Many have, however.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 22, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

how do we know that Ralph doesn’t already think he has his GM on staff? Just because we have an inner circle doesn’t mean we can’t make that circle into a dot. Ok….that was confusing…

Point is, I wouldn’t mind if Wilson said “ok, i’ve hired Shanahan and I’m making blank the GM”. We’d have one guy in charge who knows the team. its possible we have a guy already in mind, in house. We just need one voice of authority instead of four.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But who? I highly doubt Modrak would take the job. Russ Brandon? John Guy should have been fired a couple of years ago and Jim Overdorf is just a salary cap/contract guy. So unless Ralph thinks some random guy like the coordinator of college scouting or pro personel analyst can be an actual GM, I think this team needs to look outside the organization.

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by kaisertown on Nov 21, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I highly doubt Modrak would take the job

Just curious as to why you think he wouldn’t want it? I’d imagine he’d be insane not to jump at the opportunity. Modrak is one I had in mind and the other is…yes….wait for it…Russ Brandon.

I know people will get furious but things havent been all bad in terms of team building and I suspect that the reason we had so many major mistakes was because guys couldn’t get what they wanted done because of hte inner circle method. I’m sure there are guys in the circle – in my opinion like Brandon or Modrak – who could thrive without all the other voices around.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t Modrak already turn it down when Levy left?

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good question.

are you asking it knowing the answer? Because I don’t know if that happened.

I wish we could get a breakdown of who pushed what signings and who pushed what picks. It would help wouldn’t it? A list of what moves were thanks in the most part to which guy.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought I read something when Levy left about Modrak declining to take on GM responsibilities. I don’t know that that is true, just something rattling around in the empty space between my ears.

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

maybe he would now with a new coach?

We all know there is plenty between your ears my friend and if it is empty its only because you have to analyze our putrid offensive line every week!

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he didn’t want the job then why would he want it now? If Wilson snags a big name for the head coaching job then blame for failure might first fall on the GM…

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he didn’t want the job then why would he want it now? If Wilson snags a big name for the head coaching job then blame for failure might first fall on the GM…

very good point.

However, is it not true that at this point his reputation has got to be pretty low considering all the failures the league has witnessed? Yes he is only a part of a circle of failure but I would imagine he might think he has nothing to lose and in fact has a chance to recast his reputation by rebuilding a successful team with a big name coach.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Modrak turned down additional power when Donahoe was fired and he also turned down an opportunity to interview for GM jobs in Cleveland and Washington over the last 10 or so years. Modrak is an older guy who lives in Jacksonville. The only reason he’s even a part of the Bills’ FO is because we were willing to let him work under his terms and that’s a small job where he doesn’t have to spend much time in Buffalo. I think there is no way that he would want a full time GM job.

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by kaisertown on Nov 21, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we don't get a big name coach that's ok

I’d be more than happy with a solid GM with a proven track record and history of running an effective front office team, and a coach who has been a part of a WINNING Super Bowl team…..something our last 3 coaches have not had.

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by BillsNYC on Nov 21, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Gruden had been hired

His first act would be to resign Hamdan so we could have the minimum 4 QBs on the roster……

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by sireric on Nov 21, 2009 10:09 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

And then go after Jeff Garcia and Jake Plummer.

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by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

here’s the list of QBs who have played under Gruden:

In Philly when Gruden was OC:
Rodney Peete
Ty Detmer
Bobby Hoying

Head coach in Oakland:
Donald Hollis
Jeff George
Rich Gannon

Head coach in Tampa:
Brad Johnson
Brian Griese
Chris Simms
Bruce Gradkowski
Jeff Garcia

Nobody gets better performances while jumping from mediocre vet to mediocre vet than John Gruden. He has never once drafted a QB and commited to him or taken a young QB and developed him into anything.

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by kaisertown on Nov 21, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if Gruden was tops on their list because he would have been the easiest transition this season?

Not the best, but there’d have been no monkeying around with the front office just to get him to sign.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 21, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm pretty glad that Gruden turned us down

Its sort of strange how I feel about it. I mean, I’d enjoy us to have him as our coach but I don’t think he would coach them to a super bowl, so in that sense it’s a good thing. With him we’d probably stay a Tampa-2 team, which can be successful, but I don’t like that identity for the Bills. I’d rather see a much more agressive/dominating defense like back in the beginning of the decade.

I do love him on MNF though, so in sort of a weird, selfish way I’m glad I get to watch him every week. Jon and Jaws are the best duo I think today.

by dragonwag0n on Nov 21, 2009 10:23 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

He only ran a Tampa 2 in Tampa because Monte Kiffin stayed. I don’t believe he ran Tampa 2 in Oakland. I think he was a 4-3 guy.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do love him on MNF though, so in sort of a weird, selfish way I’m glad I get to watch him every week. Jon and Jaws are the best duo I think today.

I feel much the same way. Gruden is a great addition to the MNF team, after some seriously sorry predecessors. I compare Gruden to Collinsworth – he makes watching the game more enjoyable (rather than less), and they prefer the family time they get compared to when they were playing/coaching. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Gruden stay in broadcasting, period.

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by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do love Kornheiser on PTI, thats my favorite show on espn. He was so very awkward on MNF though.

by dragonwag0n on Nov 21, 2009 12:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

I think PTI is a good place for Kornheiser. I have hated him in every other professional capacity ever since I lived in Redskins’ country back in the late 80s / early 90s.

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by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

These big names guys

are using the Bills as a bargaining tool. The fact they are a desparately desired quantity gives them wicked leverage. I watched something on JImmy Johnson, Howie Long and a couple of guys talking about the Bills’ coaching situation and it was clear that Buffalo is not the most desired location—btw, neither is Cleveland.

by Ono on Nov 21, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The most desirable situation has a QB. We don’t.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

defeatist mentality

its not like coaching vacancies are open in places like New York City or Dallas or Miami or San Fransisco.

We can whine all we want but at the end of the day Buffalo isnt THAT much more undesirable a place than Cleveland or Oakland or Jacksonville. Most of the coaches only live in those cities during the season anyway and keep their homes else where. Even Ralph has a house in Miami. If we show them the money they will come. We are a historic team with a proud history and an incredible fan base and we represent old school football by the city itself. I think we are just fine.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Defeatist mentality?

It’s not like the fans have anything to do with the search.

It’s more than realistic that Buffalo isn’t a desirable situation. In what way would a big name coach want to come coach here? The talent is so poor. You’re kidding yourself if you think Buffalo isn’t one of the least desirable outposts in the league.

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by Kurupt on Nov 21, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In what way would a big name coach want to come coach here?

K, I dont follow you here. Unless New York City, Chicago, Miami, Dallas or San Fran are looking for the QBs every other city is pretty much on an even playing field. So to answer your question. Money. Which Ralph said he is willing to offer an open check for. Buffalo is no less desirable than Cincy , Jacksonville, Cleveland, Oakland, Washington, Denver, Batlimore or any other of those non- big spotlight / super metropolitan places. A big name coach would come here for more money. And Ralph said he will do it.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

looking for the QBs

while we do need one of those too i meant coaches obvioulsy.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

DC is

very desireable. Oakland, Denver, Jacksonville (anything in FL), Baltimore, Atlanta, etc are all nice city destinations that coaches would find desireable. I think Buffalo is more like Green Bay in the sense that the appeal is that both have character and love the teams to death.

by Ono on Nov 21, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

batlimore????

Jacksonville?? I’m not hating on these cities because I’m just saying I don’t see why or in what way they are more desirable than Buffalo. Every city has its charms, its just that the Dallas’, New York’s, Boston’s and Maimi’s of the world are all global hot spots so they are hard to compete with.

But i do agree with the Green bay type of fan base appeal.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore

is the like Rochester to Buffalo. It is a bedroom community, so it falls under the general greater DC metro area. I can see a coach saying," Honey, get the kids we’re moving to Baltimore . . ." Ok, phrasing that way doesn’t sound that hot. Maybe “we’re moving to the DC area.”

by Ono on Nov 21, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baltimore is a 30-min drive from Washington DC, a political center of the world and for the last 15 years a business technology center of the nation. You can hardly compare Buffalo to this (and yes, I have lived in Buffalo, Baltimore, and Washington, and many other cities in the U.S.).

Buffalo’s main attraction is, as mentioned, very similar to Green Bay’s (and similar to my current hometown in ND). But not many people in general are attracted to that. Hence, the lower populations, hence the main point, that it takes more incentive for most people to want to go to a place like Buffalo.

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by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

like the money Ralph says he is willing to spend

if we pay more we are getting those guys. They wont turn down more money to go to Baltimore. New York, Boston yes. Not Baltimore.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, you are saying what they will or won’t do. I’m simply giving alternative reasons. We disagree.

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by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

maybe I just dont think Buffalo is as bad of a place as the rest of the world. I just have a hard time buying Buffalo is so terrible a prospect that someone would turn down more money to not be there.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not just talking about the city

the makeup of the team is quite poor and there aren’t exactly a ton of building blocks with which to build schemes around….

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by Kurupt on Nov 21, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A big name coach would come here for more money. And Ralph said he will do it.

And that doesn’t make it a desirable place/situation. If money were equal across the board, Buffalo would be one of the lease desirable places/teams in the league.

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by Kurupt on Nov 21, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps

but i think for guys who have already had so much success money will speak really really loudly – maybe more than team make up.

In the end these guys love football and location wont be that big of a deal sa long as they are caoching agian and making as many millions as they can. I think we got the football part down and it looks like we will offer the most money.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just to add

as fans we tend to think there is more to the NFL than just money because it means so much to all of us on a scale greater than anything monetary. But at the end of the day players, coaches, even GMs – in most cases – will go where they make the most money.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually don’t think a head coach would care about the city all that much. If anything, they would be looking more at economic and family type stuff. If a coach had kids, they would want to find a good private school or live in a great school district. Things like cost of living, state taxes and stuff like that might be a factor. Living close to the stadium and traffic could be of interest too. Coaches work really, really hard and I would guess they put very little thought into what the city is like.

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by kaisertown on Nov 21, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches work really, really hard and I would guess they put very little thought into what the city is like.

They don’t for themselves, but they do for their families (as you mentioned). So much so that some coaches’ families don’t even live with them in the city they coach in. So I’m guessing it matters to them a lot in that regard.

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by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this is a good point fourwinds

that family likely has a big say. But because of that I think Buffalo is a fine place. Most of us don’t grow up in huge metropolitan areas or centers. These guys have enough money to make outings to Toronto or even New York City very easy. Like kaiser said I think schools and community are probably huge factors. Buffalo is fine in those regards.

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by poz on Nov 22, 2009 3:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wow someone agrees with me!

I thought I was going it alone in this one. nice…

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by poz on Nov 22, 2009 3:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The fact they are a desparately desired quantity gives them wicked leverage.

Right, so why would they need to use the Bills (or any other team) as additional leverage? Cower, for example, isn’t going to need to try to bluff the team he wants to run. All he needs to do is lay out his terms and it’s pretty likely that that team will give it to him.

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is leverage

It’s demand. They can ask for more money, control and all round better contract if they can show that someone else is willing to play ball.

For instance if a team like Washington with no QB of the future wants Cowher, he can negotiate a better contract that gives him more time to rebuild the team, etc. The notion that any owner gives total control is not accurate. Those contracts are as specific as heck and the more control a Cowher or Holmgren can wrestle away the better. Holmgren is a good example. He may want the contract to protect him from being demoted if after 3 years, things aren’t panning out.

So yeah, I think the Bills can provide these folks with leverage.

To be sure, Buffalo is not Cleveland which is just so unappealing. Buffalo does have its own innate appeal and recent glory days, so the “threat” to go to Buffalo is not all that bad.

by Ono on Nov 21, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know…. I don’t think that Dan Snyder is particularly worried about any offer Buffalo puts on the table. I think he (rightly) sees his competition as the other large market teams.

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

These big name guys

Buffalo has always suffered bad press. I remember as a young man back in the 50s a story about pilots on plays telling their passengers"Welcome to Buffalo NY please turn you watches back 20 years: . Buffalo once was in the top 10 cities in america, but we have gone down in the outside worlds opinion if not our own. Will A coach want to be linked with us unfair or not. Ask TO if he wishes he had waited instead of signing here.

by crazyoldman on Nov 21, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Caption time........what is Chucky thinking in that pic

“Should I accept the HC position with the Bills….ummmmmmmm… NO!”

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by Joe P. on Nov 21, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Caption time……..what is Chucky thinking in that pic

I’m pooping my pants right now

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by J2 on Nov 21, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Caption time……..what is Chucky thinking in that pic

“How dare you ask me why I need to ride the fumes of better coaches to make it to the Super Bowl?”

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!!

“What do you mean you can’t build a winner drafting 4 QBs every year?”

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by Joe P. on Nov 21, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!

How about…….“I really need to switch to a high fiber diet”

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by Joe P. on Nov 21, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“I’ve swallowed both lips….now onto the chin”

by bluecollarbuffalo on Nov 21, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NICE

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Come on Jonny.....eat your brussel sprouts"

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by Joe P. on Nov 21, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Now everybodies mad at Jauron because he quit.

Wasnt it just a week ago everybody was saying that Jauron should do the honorable thing if ralph isnt going to fire him and just resign?
I’m not defending Jauron, I completely agree with his firing, it’s just that people are just trying to surround him with unwarranted additional negativity because he was such a bad coach.

by Xavier W on Nov 21, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yup!!!!!!!!

right on. its ridiculous.

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Firing? Yes. I can see why Wilson fired him and called for it in early October.

Quitting? No. I can’t see that. If Wilson really did offer to let him coach through the rest of the year he should have stayed even though it hurt his pride to know that he was being replaced.

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jauron doesn't strike me as a quitter

He seems like a guy who is very loyal to his coaches and players; I wonder if his motivation was to allow Fewell an opportunity to showcase his ability and audition for the job. Even if he is still confident in his own abilities, he may have come to agree with almost every observer that he just wasn’t adding any value here, particularly since it had been made clear that he wouldn’t be back next year.

by Gino Parilli on Nov 21, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who stays in that situation?

Seriously?

If you were going to get fired from your job, with pay, why would you stay for the rest of the year when given the option to leave now?

I know I’d be out the door if I was told I was being let go at the end of the year with an option to leave now. What good does it do Jauron to stick around?

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by Kurupt on Nov 21, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Golf and get payed….
Get your butt beat and get payed…

I go with golf.

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by MattRichWarren on Nov 21, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Get your butt beat and get payed…

…and get vilified daily in the press and across the internet.

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by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been in that sort of situation. I worked for a special ed director who flat out hated me. There was no way she was going to give me a contract for the next school year and no way I’d sign it even if she did. That was clear in September but I taught the rest of the year just like I teach every year. After all, the only people who would have gotten hurt if I’d quit (or didn’t do my job well) were my students. Jauron had guys to coach and he reportedly chose not to.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is Bill Polian when you need him?

(rhetorical question guys, i know he’s in Indy.)

by MLZNW02 on Nov 21, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but where's his son?

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by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, wait...

….his son is getting a call from his father telling him to avoid Buffalo like, um, profitable industry as long as Wilson owns the team.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Got to give Wilson some credit

Yes, Wilson helped to create this disaster by not bringing in a real GM in the first place. He also (at a minimum) signed off on hiring a coach who had had exactly one good season.

However, Wilson is apparently at least trying to lure what is generally regarded (wrongly, in my view but that’s a different issue) as top shelf talent to Buffalo. Can we officially retire the “Wilson is cheap” and “Wilson doesn’t want to win” lines?

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree

unfortunately, the horse has left the barn and is galloping down the road. Even huge egos might think it’s over their head (or too much work/challenge)

by fansince60 on Nov 21, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i’ll stop calling Ralph cheap, which he has been in terms of hiring HC’s so far, until he actually pays big bucks to a proven winner. What this team needs more than anything is a PROVEN WINNER.
The great thing about hiring guys like Cowher or Shanahan is that they have been there and done that, and know what it takes to get it done, unlike our last three HC’s.
In terms of hiring a GM, I’m a little iffy. Unless, we’re hiring a proven winner in Mike Holmgren, I’d much rather have that powerful HC than a rookie-GM in DeCosta for example.
We just can’t afford to miss this time and the best way of avoiding that is by finding a guy, who has had success in the past.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Nov 21, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

the consensus

seems to be that Holmgren was not a “proven winner” as GM in Seattle. A proven winning coach, yes, GM…not so sure.

by fansince60 on Nov 21, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So, if the story is true and Buffalo tried to hire Gruden that wouldn’t induce you to stop calling Wilson cheap? Wilson must have been waving an enormous salary in front of Gruden to even get the guy to respond. Now, I have issues with Gruden being called a ‘winner’ given that he rode Tony Dungy’s team to the Super Bowl…and did little else. With that being said, many consider Gruden one of the top 5ish available head coaching candidates. Buffalo has also been linked to Shanahan (again, he’s not at the top of my list due to his inability to consistently succeed without Elway), another high dollar coach.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and did little else

well he did rebuild the Raiders into AFC heavy hitters before going to Tampa

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by poz on Nov 21, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who would be your preferred coach out there?

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Nov 21, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not really devoted to any coach who is currently unemployed. I would rather not see Shanahan (Elway fume rider) or Gruden (Dungy mooch) as the next coach of the Bills. Cowher turned around the Steelers and Holmgren rebuilt the Packers. Given that Buffalo is a team in need of rebuilding and/or turning around I’d tend to lean towards one of those guys—among the big name coaches.

We don’t know who is going to be available at the end of the season once the annual firings begin. There are a lot of coordinators out there as well as guys in the college ranks to consider.

Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner

by Ron From NM on Nov 21, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe a switch would work

he report also indicates that Wilson offered Jauron the opportunity to finish out the season as the Bills’ head coach, an offer Jauron quickly declined. Perry Fewell will make his debut as the Bills’ interim head coach tomorrow afternoon in Jacksonville.——Since Ralph has to pay Jauron his money why not make him be the defensive coach? most people seem to believe that he was over reaching in wanting to be number one, but was good a a DC. But I read this grouping because I do not have near the knowledge the rest of you have, so I am probably way off base

by crazyoldman on Nov 21, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

most likely

verbage in his contract stipulates HC and “no lesser positions”, Otherwise, Ralph could have him sell beer in sec. 101.

by fansince60 on Nov 21, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn't that be something...

if Jauron had refused the opportunity to continue as HC in order to give Fewell an opportunity? The coaching equivalent of jumping on the grenade to save your friend. If Fewell were to do a good job and finish out strong, he would garner more consideration as a viable HC candidate much in the same way as Mike Singletary.

by live6453 on Nov 21, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes. :-)

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by thefourwinds on Nov 21, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe not

but you’d have trouble starting a fan club. Aren’t you tired of HCs with no previous HC experience? (OK Jauron was once and had 1 winning record). I am.

by fansince60 on Nov 21, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Guess teams only win with guys who have previous HC experience......

Tell that to the Saints, Steelers, Broncos, Ravens……….I could go on if you want?

I dont buy your argument at all.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 21, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem isn’t that unproven guys can’t succeed, its that the Bills don’t have the greatest track record grooming unproven coaches. It’s so poor in fact that when it has happened (ex. Levy) it makes it look like a fluke. That makes me feel better about a proven guy here than elsewhere.

by bluecollarbuffalo on Nov 21, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not a Tampon 2 guy...... so No, I don't want to see Fewell stay as DC.

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by Joe P. on Nov 21, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's cheap and a looser!!!!

at least as far as being an owner of a NFL franchise – can’t comment on the man personally I don’t know him.
I won’t change my mind because they talked to Gruden. Are you kidding me???

If he wants to shed those labels hire the right people and PAY for their services, WIN the big game put your self (team) in a situation to succeed.
He’s of the hook for the last decade + because they talked to GRUDEN???
Prove it. Put your money where your mouth is?

by wideright47 on Nov 21, 2009 8:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't care who we hire as long as they are winners, motivators, and can develop coaches, players, and talent for years to come

I want a coach that wants to be in Buffalo and wants to return this team and franchise to the playoffs and win a superbowl. It sounds like Ralph does not want to hire another coach in his lifetime, so he is looking for someone who knows what the heck they are doing and can hire a staff of coaches who will complete with the top coaching staffs in the NFL. DJ had experience, but was not a motivator or a winner. The other guys (mularkey, williams) were motivators, but had no experience at being winners or proving they can do it long-term. If the report is true, it sounds like they were weighing a few things with a next head coach…

First as mentioned prior the Bills will want a proven coach that knows how to win consistently. Sounds like they will kick the tires of all the successful coaches on the market. I would think that this leaves out the likes of the Haslets of the world because they are experienced but not proven winners.

Second, I could see the Bills rank the Offensive coaches hire because of their strength in developing a QB in this league. Trent will have one last season with Buffalo next year and if a proven offensive coach can’t change him, or develop Brohm, then we will need one that will develop Plan B (draft pick or free agent)

Third, it sounds like they are looking for a motivator who instills confidence in players. Having watched DJ for the past 3.5 years I think everyone is ready for a change. Even though the players liked DJ and would play hard for him, often times, their mistakes and lack of execution were not good enough for them to play with confidence. For all of DJ’s good and coaching techniques and whatnot… could never get the players to play up to their potential or with continued confidence. Edwards more than anything needs confidence to play this game. Our entire offense runs through him and his lack of confidence is the prime reason he is benched and we are looking at Fitzy going forward or Brohm as the future. Edwards lack of confidence isn’t entirely DJ’s fault since he had plenty of other OC’s and QB coaches that couldn’t help him either. We just don’t need another QB lacking confidence in the future…. Losman now Edwards are QB investments, now mistakes we can’t afford with the next QB investment.

Third, I hope they find someone that will WANT to be a HC in Buffalo and make it their team for many successful years to come. Gruden didn’t want to be here. I wonder who will be the next person to say “no thanks”.

So who will it be?

IMO, hopefully Shanahan, but he is a controlling coach that might want too much. Personally, I’d like to see him here with Cowher being the 2nd choice to that. I think either of these guys would want to have a lot of power and control to be HC/GM type of coach in order to come here and stay. This hasn’t always worked before, but with Russ running the show on the business side, the GM could be more of a player personnel chief and could work for us…

by dabillsr1 on Nov 21, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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