As the merry-go-round turns: Bills coaching rumors and more
by jri111 on Nov 22, 2009 4:37 PM EST
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Let's start with maybe the most interesting rumor of all: according to a report by Tim Graham of ESPN, Buffalo Bills owner Ralph Wilson is willing to spend upwards of $10 million for the right head coach, but the question remains, will that be enough? NFL Network reporter Jason La Canfora has his doubts:
It's very difficult to win in Buffalo, with the Patriots in the division and the New York Jets just building a billion-dollar facility, also the Dolphins, who are No. 2 in player spending this year alone. For a small-market team in an old stadium like the Bills, it's tough to compete -- no matter who the coach is -- and these big-name coaches know it.
Now, onto my worst nightmare... Today, at 12:09 p.m., Adam Schefter of ESPN reported that the Bills may have interest in embattled Notre Dame head coach, Charlie Weis:
Schefter: Bills eyeing Weis
Our motto here at Rumor Central is "news before it's news", and this one is quite a bit ahead of the curve. NFL Insider Adam Schefter writes in his Week 11 notes that if Charlie Weis is fired from his current head coaching gig at Notre Dame, the Buffalo Bills may be interested in hiring him as their next head coach.
Schefter notes two points that make Weis a strong candidate: he interviewed for the position with the Bills earlier this decade -- when they ended up hiring Mike Mularkey -- and as a former member of Bill Belichick's staff, he might have a clue as to how to beat the Patriots. We'll keep you posted.
Much more after the jump, including Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden, Mike Shanahan, and yes, even Dick Jauron!
Also earlier this morning, ESPN Insider reported that Buffalo may have interest in former Colts head coach, Tony Dungy:
Appearing on the Dan Patrick Show recently, former NFL head coach Tony Dungy was asked a battery of questions on the current NFL hot topics. On the Bills' coaching opening, Dungy noted that while he is happy as an analyst, the job is an opportunity to re-build the franchise to greatness.
Interesting tidbit to note on the Bills and Dungy: while the team did fire Dick Jauron this week, giving them the chance to court their 2010 coach early, WIVB-TV in Buffalo has been told by a source that they won't make a hire until after the season is over. Additionally, due to the Rooney Rule, they must interview at least one minority candidate for the position. Although his public interest in the position doesn't appear as great as some other candidates, Dungy would fit in to that class. Hmmm...
Prior to that, ESPN stated the obvious:
Gruden to Bills is Fantasy
There was a fleeting rumor over this weekend that former Oakland Raiders and Tampa Bay Buccaneers head coach -- and current "Monday Night Football" analyst -- Jon Gruden was being heavily courted by the Buffalo Bills to be their next head coach.
But a source has told WIVB-TV in Buffalo that in spite of the fact that the Bills "went after him hard", he's going to stick with ESPN.
Yesterday, during the half time show of the Notre Dame game, Peter King of Sports Illustrated had some bad news for Bills fans hoping to take advantage of being the first team to start their head coaching search for the 2010 season: Mike Shanahan will not take a coaching job until he knows where the landscape lies.
Pro Football Talk has the coverage and video here.
Finally, we've talked a lot about who will be Buffalo's head coach in 2010, but some want to still talk about the Bills head coach who started the 2009 season. Steve Mariucci, the former NFL head coach, had this to say about the firing of his personal friend, Dick Jauron, this morning on NFL Network:
"My gripe is during the season," Mariucci said. "What good is it during the season? Coaches getting fired at the end of the season is typical and probably more appropriate. The other thing that bothers me is, Is one man being gone going to make it better?"
Mariucci's bottom line conclusion? "I think that organization made a bad move."
See the rest of the story here at PFT.
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The organization made a bad move hiring the guy in the first place.........
but whatever Steve.
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 22, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 24, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve is also forgetting
it gives us the first crack to open communications with coaches, even if they and us are waiting until 2010 to make a move.
I think Shanahan is a real possibility. I also dont buy that a billion dollar stadium suddenly makes the Jets more competitive or attractive or feared in the division. And any coach who is scared of taking on the Pats is not a coach I want here anyway.
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by poz on Nov 22, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wasn’t Jauron the interim when MAriucci was fired…?
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Nov 22, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mariucci is still made about getting fired himself
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by willgarr15 on Nov 22, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
Good Luck With Your Firings Mr. Wilson….Go Bills!
by killascript on Nov 22, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. They are good friends.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 24, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone else feel the bills were better this weekend without dj? i kno i do
by billsstein on Nov 22, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Marjinally better, but not enough to make a difference in the end.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ditto
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 2:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weis
I’m a Notre Dame supporter as well as a Bills supporter and my football seasons have been literally ruined from 07-09 between Jauron and Weis. I would be inconsolable if Notre Dame was finally rid of Weis, only to have him re-surface in charge of the Bills. I think Weis will do a decent job as a pro coordinator next year, but as far as game management, he’s as bad as Jauron (and Fewell). This rumor is as bad as it gets and the sad thing is, I believe it to be true.
Personally, I wish the BIlls would talk to Billick, who I think is more realistic than Gruden/ Shanahan/ Dungy/ Cowher. At least Billick has won before with crappy QBs (like he’ll need to do in Buffalo).
by Port Royal on Nov 22, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahah
dude, I seriously don’t mean to laugh but if we were to hire Ralph the gravity of the depression I could only imagine you would go into is almost comical in that you really couldn’t write that in a script it would be so unbelievable. You finally are rid of Jauron and Weis in the same season and how does fate reward you? The Bills hire Weis. The only thing more unbelievable would be if ND signed Jauron. HHAHAAHHAHA
Ok…that was a good laugh but now I’ll stop because there would nothing to laugh at it if it really happened.
In seriousness, can you offer your thoughts on Clausen as someone who’s watched him play. Can he be our franchise?
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by poz on Nov 22, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clausen
I honestly love Clausen as a pro prospect. He’s throws a real pretty deep ball, has the touch on the underneath stuff due to his playing in a pro style offense, pretty tough kid too. I don’t think he’s another Brady Quinn if that’s what everyone is afraid of with him; their talents are fairly disilmilar (although if Quinn could play Detroit every week, he could be a star too). I think he’s a pro and I think he’ll come out once Weis is canned.
My sister actually thought of Jauron to Notre Dame when I mentioned the Weis to Buffalo rumor…I’ll begin some drinking now.
by Port Royal on Nov 22, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
I like Clausen as a prospect so its good to hear from someone whos watched him. You don’t think the Weis to Buffalo rumors are because Ralph likes Clausen? Keep them together or somthing like that.
Yes, it would be a good time to start drinking…lets hope Weis to Buffalo is just popping up because we tried to hire him a few years back , not because of anything substantive.
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by poz on Nov 22, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Clausen at all.
He’s gonna be a bust, wait and see. Locker all the way. Locker is who we want. ND draft picks are too highly rated because of their fan base.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s gonna be a bust, wait and see. Locker all the way
Can you provide some info into why you feel this way? I’d like as much opinion on these guys as possible. Why dont you like Clausen and why do you like Locker?
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 4:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ND draft picks are too highly rated because of their fan base.
Yeah, that definitely should NOT be the basis of your opinion on any prospect.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 5:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially considering that Notre Dame hasn’t had many players go highly in the draft lately. For all you Notre Dame haters, here’s the players out of ND selected fairly recently and where they were picked:
2009
David Bruton – S – 4th round
2008
John Carlson – TE – 2nd round
Trevor Laws – DT – 2nd
Tom Zbikowski – S – 3rd
John Sullivan – C – 6th
2007
Brady Quinn – QB – 22nd overall
Victor Abiamiri – DE – 2nd round
Ryan Harris – OT – 3rd
Derek Landri – DT – 5th
Mike Richardson – CB – 6th
Dan Santucci – OL – 7th
Chinedum Ndukwe – S – 7th
2006
Anthony Fasano – TE – 2nd round
Maurice Stovall – WR – 3rd
Dan Stevenson – OL – 6th
Corey Mays – LB – undrafted
2005
Justin Tuck – DE – 3rd round
Jerome Collins – TE – 5th
Ryan Grant – RB – undrafted
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by kaisertown on Nov 23, 2009 7:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and you know what? There are some pretty damned good players on that list.
This ‘I hate ND so we should never draft someone from there’ crap needs to be tabled permanently.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s most impressive about the list is that very few (if any) of the players were reaches. Sure there are a few busts and disapointments, but a lot of those picks were total steals. The majority of those guys were taken by great franchises too. The Pats took two of them and so did the Eagles. The Giants got a steal with Tuck. Sullivan is starting for the Vikings and Ndukwe is starting for Cincy. Fasano is a Parcells guy. It’s pretty clear that the NFL doesn’t hype Notre Dame guys and if anything, they’ve been underrated entering the league.
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by kaisertown on Nov 23, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Clausen
because of how likely I see Locker busting. Inaccurate college QB’s are something I’d rarely touch if I were an NFL GM.
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And so begins the list of reasons I’m not real thrilled with the prospect of drafting a franchise QB this year. It seems like quality players at a given position come in spurts. And we’ve had a string of quality QB prospects lately. Admittedly, I don’t watch much college ball, but I feel like we’re due for some busts soon.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 23, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want Billick in Buffalo as a head coach, he’s a QB killer just like Jauron was. We could pick the best QB in the draft and Billick would still find a way to screw him up.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agree to disagree
I think Boller was Ozzie Newsome’s baby. He had success in Minnesota with a washed up Randall Cunningham and won divisions in Baltimore with Trent Dilfer, Anthony Wright, and a washed up Steve McNair. I think those are positives on his resume.
by Port Royal on Nov 22, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree.
I think that the Ravens won DESPITE those qb’s. McNair is the only exception to the bunch, the rest flat out sucked.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And McNair was over the hill.
When he played for Baltimore, one too many injuries to overcome. It happens in the NFL.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Billick won with great defense because he had Marvin Lewis and Rex Ryan as his coordinators.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 24, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
I didn’t really provide my analysis in the post, so here are my thoughts on the situation:
1. On the $10 million/year for a coach rumor: HECK YEAH! The Bills will never be successful unless they invest in their front office and coaching staff. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that paying a guy $10 million is the only way to be successful, I’m just happy the Bills haven’t automatically ruled that option out right from the start – it’s a welcomed change.
2. I’ve been a die-hard Bills fan since I was 5 years old. If the Bills hire Charlie Weis as their next head coach, I am done with this team. Seriously, done.
3. Shanahan deciding that he’ll wait to see what his options are before deciding on his next desitation is a set back, but it’s not devastating. The fact that we have our name in the hat early should help. Buffalo can spend the next month or two wooing him before other teams get involved. It’s clearly not the most ideal option, but it’s far from the worst.
4. Tony Dungy: Seems there is more speculation there than anything. I like Dungy as a head coach and person, but he may be too much like Dick Jauron, personality wise, for my liking. We’ll see.
5. No talk/rumors of Shotty. What’s up with that? He’s my number one choice behind Cowher. Maybe they view him as a potential candidate only if they bring a GM in first? It would explain the lack of rumors/speculation surronding his name right now.
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by jri111 on Nov 22, 2009 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1. Agree 100%
2. I wouldn’t be done but I’d be very depressed. I’ve already found games this season are hard to get worked up about because i know how they are going to end, it doesnt sting if you know a fourth quarter collpase is coming. Ok, it does. Just not as bad as believing you’ll pull it out like I did in week 1.
3. I think Shanny is a bigger possibility than we might realize.
4. Not sure what I think about Dungy. He did build a winner in Tampa. The rest is hard to judge with Polian and Peyton around, fair or not.
5. I like Shotty as my fourth candidate. After Shanny, Cowher, Greg Manusky.
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by poz on Nov 22, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Manusky?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
49ers defensive coordinator
hes turned around that niners defense in two years, has helped Patrick Willis become a monster and for hte better part othis decade established the ferocious linebacker corp of the Chargers as their LBs coach. On defense we are terrible at stopping the run or getting pressure from our linebackers and it is our biggest weak spot after o-line. I’d love for him to come in and add some punch to this team. Look at a pic ture of him. He looks like a tough dude. He also is intense, something we need.
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 4:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
San Fran
Umm, what’s so special about the 49ers defense? That unit is nearly as bad as the Bills’ D. In fact, the stats prove it too with them ranking just 22nd in total D and the Bills ranking 25th. Their pass D is 30th in the NFL. The Bills have forced more turnovers and given up less than 2 points per game more, for perspective. They have a pretty good run D, 6th overall, but as an entire unit, it’s still in the bottom third of the league.
Patrick Willis was going to become one of the best LB’s in the league no matter who the coach was.
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Willis.
Plus I think that the improvement (however marginal) of San Fran’s D has more to do with Mike Singletary then Manusky. However I’m not very well versed (look under horribly) as far as coaches go so I could be wrong.
I’m however not liking the idea of hireing Manusky as a HC because I want an offencive minded coach. We have the groundwork for a good deffence if we can find a coordinator that knows what to do with them. Its our offence thats the real problem.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 23, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’re a decent way away from a competent offense or defense. I don’t say that to be negative, just to put proper perspective. On D, we need line help and an entire LB corps, pretty much. On O, we need linemen and a QB, maybe another receiver. Neither side of the ball is up to snuff yet.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 23, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well as you pointed out
6th in the league in run d! You also can’t just point to one stat and say he hasn’t done anything impressive:
The 49ers may rank 30th in pass yards but they rank 8th in passing touchdowns – surrendering only one a game – 9th in interceptions, 6th in run defense and 3rd in rushing yards per attempt allowed. His defense is stingy and plays tough. Also, CBF I don’t think its fair to just give Mike Singletary credit because hes a hot name right now. Last year the 49ers were ranked in those same categories 20th in passing yards but 21st in passing touchdowns allowed and 21st in interceptions. Thats a huge improvement. In rushing D, they were 13th in yards and 8th in yards per attempt. Thats serious improvement.
Then there is the fact that Manuksy coached the Chargers linebackers from 2002 to 2006 – where he established a tradition of excellent linebacker play and a feared unit. Keep in mind that Singletary typically gives Manusky free reign over hte defense so its hard to credit him for Manusky’s great blitzes, disguised packages and agressive style. He is a passionate guy and I think he fits the mold in Buffalo great.
Lets not forget hes turned around this 49ers defnese that was horrendous. I
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never said he hasn't done anything impressive
I just don’t understand how what he’s done is so great that he’s all of a sudden a top HC candidate. The SF D has shown marginal improvement in his time, and any improvement they have shown is more due to the players they’ve brought in, IMO.
He was hired before the 2007 season. The players brought in since the end of the 2006 season include Patrick Willis, Aubrayo Franklin, Justin Smith, Ray McDonald and even Takeo Spikes. Those guys have formed a pretty darn good 3-4 interior to help improve that run defense. Sure, Manusky is coaching them up, but you can’t deny the added talent is what is really driving their rush defense improvement.
And shouldn’t having one of the consistently worst pass defenses in the league be held against Manusky, in addition to questionable talent back there?
Statistically, the 2006 49ers D was pretty similar. Considering it was so bad as you say, there hasn’t been a huge improvement by them. Obviously, they are definitely improved, but is it enough to say he’s completely turned them around and become one of the better D’s in the league? Of course not. I don’t know how what he’s done proves he’s a HC candidate…
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know how what he’s done proves he’s a HC candidate…
Oh, I don’t think my opinion of Manusky should sway anybody to think he could be a HC, I just happen to like him. I think what makes him an intriguing option to me is that wherever hes gone he gets a lot out of his guys – effort wise and production wise. His linebackers in Washington were great, his linebackers in San Diego were great, and now his 49ers defense is showing great effort and production. I like that because over the last 7 years it seems like we get less effort and less production out of our talent.
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So he's a good LB coach
and maybe a pretty good DC.
How does that make you think he’s HC material?!?!? I’m sure we could use those superlatives to make a couple dozen guys HC material!!
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How does that make you think he’s HC material?!?!?
HAHAH, calm down K! HAH, please don’t confuse him as my top choice. I like his style and attitude and he – like Singletary – is a former linebacker and seems to share his vision and coaching philosophy. I just think of all the coordinator options he’s my favorite. He could bring a Singletary like flavor to our team. I like him best of reasonable coaching options which I think includes Shanahan of the big names and likely not more unless you offer Cowher a GM role. Which is why hes second on my list. Marty is too old and doesnt want to coach but I would like him here. Gruden is staying in the booth, Leslie Frazier has out of this world talent to work with , Mike Zimmer has gotten a lot out of his players but is a hot name right now who could slip away like Jason Garrett did. Dungy is a bit too jauron-esque. I dont want Brian Billick, as I think we’ve seen what he can do and thats win with a great defense he didnt really build while providing no offensive punch when that was his forte. No thanks to Jim Fassell. I’m intrigued by this CFL guy but I honestly don’t know enough about him to advocate without feeling like a tool (CBF, help me out here brother – you get to watch this guy right? What do you see in him?). I think Kyle Shanahan is too inexperienced to be anything other than a coordinator, he needs more seasoning. Please no Kevin Gilbride or Cam Cameron. I just think Manusky has potential to be a great leader. Basically, if we don’t get a proven big name coach I’d like to learn more about this Trestman character or see a guy like Manusky rather than the usual suspects which I don’t like.
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I’m just wondering what you see in him!
I really don’t care either way, even though my responses don’t indicate that. I don’t think he’ll be on Buffalo’s radar, anyway.
~K
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he’ll be on Buffalo’s radar, anyway.
If Ralph stays true to his word of opening up the purse to go get the best man available, then I hope he isn’t either!
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marty
I think Marty would do a great job with Buffalo, but my gut says someone his age wouldn’t come back to take on a complete rebuilding job like he’d have in Buffalo. Any interest in Billick whatsoever?
by Port Royal on Nov 22, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Billick?
No interest here.
He is a detroyer of offense, exactly what we don’t need.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Marty would be a good choice.
And the most realistic good coach we could get if Shanahan spurns us.
I am shocked his name hasn’t been brought up by the talking heads on TV.
He took a young Drew Brees and Chargers team and made them competitive, that counts for something in my book.
He played for the Bills,
Made the trip to see Ralph inducted into the HOF.
Why aren’t we looking into him?
Of the old school coaches, I think his time in SD really made him get the modern game, his only mistake was going back to martyball in the playoffs..
I would be very happy with Marty as our next HC. I really think he would be a good fit for us.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps?
If we hire Marty, he could be the next Dick Vermeil?
No coach has won a superbowl with two different teams.
Marty is due like Vermeil i thinks……..
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 1:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sirius NFL Radio
I listen to 98 % of the time that I’m in my car/truck. I’ve heard Marty say on many occassions that he’s DONE w/ coaching. That he’s happy spending time w/ his grand-kids and family, and doing his radio shows on Sirius. I do NOT think that this is an option for us based soley on what I’ve personally heard him state over & over again. Sorry……
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by Pocono Bob on Nov 23, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tony Dungy
Ralph Wilson should force Tony Dungy to take out a restraining order just to get a few moments of peace. Dungy turned the Bucs from a perpetual loser into an NFC powerhouse. Dungy then turned the Colts from a bad joke to an AFC powerhouse. The only knock on the guy is that he couldn’t win the big game for years and years. Well, Dungy won the big game….and even if he hadn’t the work he did turning the franchises around makes him the ideal candidate for Buffalo.
Oh, and if Buffalo went after Dungy and hired him I hope they make a mockery of the Rooney Rule by interviewing a white guy just for show.
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by Ron From NM on Nov 22, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Oh, and if Buffalo went after Dungy and hired him I hope they make a mockery of the Rooney Rule by interviewing a white guy just for show.
Love it!!!! I mean whatever happened to hireing the best person for the job, regardless of race? Heck I’d hire a Hidou Preistess if I thought she could win us a SuperBowl!
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!! Maybe Gruden was our "token white guy"
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by Joe P. on Nov 22, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i really
don’t think we can hire a HC without a GM. Ralph needs to find a GM first, or a HC that will take on that role as well….then let the firings begin. Ralph needs to clean house, leave Brandon, but everyone else needs to go. The key is finding that one person to be in charge of the ENTIRE organization. I think if Ralph gives the new guy the resources through FA and the draft and in staffing the personnel dept and coaching staff, that we can get a big Fish Coach. But if not, there are plenty of good coordinators and other coaches that we can get if we have a structured FO that has a clue what it is building, doing, and a mission statement
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by MARVelous on Nov 22, 2009 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The front office
has drafted not too bad on defense.
But on offense they have been pathetic.
I would rather put Modrak and Guy as the defensive pickers and bring in someone who kows offens, where both of them are very lacking.
I didn’t like Kyle Williams when drafted, but he is definately showing his worth. I can admit I was wrong about him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 1:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering....
What good defensive picks have been made recently? Kyle Williams? Jairus Byrd, so far? Anyone else?
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can think of some transactions besides those two.
Marus Stroud Acquistion.
Kawika Mitchell Acquisition (Only line backer we have that can shoot a gap)
Poluszny finally looks to be stepping up to his dratt order, he played a heck of a game yesterday.
Throw in Byrd, we are close to half a good defense.
Offense is putrid, we have no one with a clue.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.
The Jury is still out on Leodis and Whitner. don’t count them out just yet.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Stroud and Mitchell weren’t draftees, which is what you were talking about. I wouldn’t say either has been a great pickup, too. Stroud has been a nice player for us, while Mitchell has had his moments.
Poz has been a major disappointment, IMO. We spent two picks to get him and he’s nothing more than an average LB that can’t shed blockers or blitz.
Again, what good defensive draft picks have been made?
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100%
Poz never makes a big play. I can’t remember one game changing play he has ever made. I think the only reason some of the guys still love him is his long flowing blond hair.
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by taskersd on Nov 23, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what are you guys talking about?
Stroud wasn’t a great pickup? Hes having a Pro Bowl year! He is a great addition to our defense. Poz may not make spectacular plays but he is a good tackler and a dependable player. I still don’t understand how everyone thinks an early mid 2nd round player was supposed to be the next Brian Urlacher. Hes a good young player who will keep getting better. He was a second rounder! You wanted him to come in and be a Pro Bowler out of the gate? I’m not disappointed in Poz because hes exactly what we thought (or some of us at least) he would be at this point. A young, defensive leader who is dependable and has potential to improve.
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A Pro Bowl year?
What has he done? He’s done a solid job, but it’s not like he’s playing at another level. Really, what has Stroud done that makes you say he’s a Pro Bowler?
He’s part of the worst run D in the league. Obviously it’s not his fault, or even close to it, but it’s not like he’s been a disruptive force either. He has 4 TFL’s this year. As a comparison, Kyle Williams has 7. It’s not like we said he’s been terrible. I said he was a nice pickup, and it was good value. Was he a great pickup? I don’t think so personally.
I know you are terribly biased towards Poz, but he really struggles disengaging and for every good play he makes, he makes a poor play/read.
Who said anything about Pro Bowl? When you spend two first day picks on a LB, you expect him to play better than Poz has. You expect some big plays. I hope he gets better, obviously, but all he is is a solid player at this point. He hasn’t been this demi-god that many of you say he is.
Poz is dependable? If by dependable, you mean we know what we’re getting out of him…then ok. But if you mean dependable in the sense that we can expect a good 16 game season out of him, then nope. He’s only played 25 of 42 career games. That’s not exactly dependable!!!
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know you are terribly biased towards Poz
despite my namesake I dont think that I am terribly biased, just a little :)
Stroud has made a ton of tackles at the line or just after, has been getting great penetration, and he is an emotional leader. I’ll admit I got a little excited with the pro bowl declaration but hes having a great year. You could argue Kyle Williams has 7 tackles for a loss because teams respect Stroud so much they focus on him. I guess w’ell have to disagree becauase I think Stroud was a great pickup.
Back to Poz, I’m honestly not that biased and I normally don’t speak up in his defense because of my namesake but when you guys are throwing out that Poz has been a major disappointment and doesnt make any big plays I think its going a bit too far.
He hasn’t been this demi-god that many of you say he is.
Please, dont start doing this K, others do that and I think its a bit ridiculous – no one thinks Poz is a demi god by any stretch and no one has ever said so. We like Poz because hes tough, hes a leader, he fights hard, works hard, and is young with a lot of potential. He has missed a lot of time – yo uare right- and I bet the more he plays the better he gets at picking his angles, those are things that you learn on the field.
By dependable I mean that when he plays you know he will usually make a tackle when he collides with a running back and will give you 100% while flying to the ball. Of course he is flawed, no one is saying hes a demi-god, but hes going to keep getting better and I just dont buy that hes been a disappointment. Hes been hurt, but hes doing just fine and should be a great asset to hte next regime as a continually improving youngster.
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We like Poz
I also don’t know why I wrote “we”, I think I’m the only Poz fan left!
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
You don’t think people were calling him the next Shane Conlon and saying what a steal Buffalo got with Poz? He was as hyped as any rookie in recent memory, IMO. I don’t think he’s lived up to that hype at all. It took a decent haul to get him, too. That’s why I say he’s disappointed, not that he’s been terrible on the field or anything.
I like Poz because he plays hard and seems to be pretty tough. He usually makes the tackle when he’s there (as long as he doesn’t overrun the ball carrier!). I don’t think he reads plays quickly or well at all, and can’t shed a block to save his life. I think he’s as mediocre a MLB as you’ll find in the league. He’s not bad, but he’s not great like I’ve seen many say on here. He has the potential to be good, but as we’ve heard before, “potential only means you haven’t done **** yet”. I’m not sure how much better he’ll be, but I do know he’d be helped by a pair of better LB’s next to him.
Haha, the demi-god comment was a bit of hyperbole, obviously. The only demi-god in the league is Peyton Manning!
Also, I think Williams has been better than Stroud this year. Both have been solid, but both have also contributed to the poor showing by the run D. We could do much worse, but I don’t think either is a Pro Bowler.
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some of Poz’s lack of production, I think, I blame a little bit on scheme. He seems to be at his best when he’s chasing down the ball carrier one-on-one, not when he’s trying to disrupt a RB’s momentum by blowing up blockers. You’re right that he struggles disengaging, but there are ways to scheme to your players strengths and I’m not sure our coaching staff does that very well, especially on D. Ideally he does both, but nobody is perfect. A better supporting cast would help, too.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 23, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and for the record
Poz never makes a big play. I can’t remember one game changing play he has ever made
then you must not have been watching when his interception against the Jets set up the game winning drive to give us one of our three wins. I’d call that game changing.
He also had a pretty great game against the Jags, 12 tackles and a forced fumble. But hey, lets keep exaggerating how bad our players are.
Just because our team stinks guys, doesn’t mean every player on it stinks. If we were winning you’d all be saying Poz is a reliable middle linebacker. Don’t hate the guy because hes not the savior of the franchise. Last I checked, the 49ers aren’t winning with Patrick Willis either.
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He forced a key fumble Sunday.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 24, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Russ Grimm or Jim Harbaugh but a true GM too
Firstly we need a proper GM like Eric deCosta who’s learnt from Ossie Newsome at the Ravens.
I’d don’t mind not going for an experienced winning Head Coach – the record shows they seldom reach the heights they did previously.
Looking at some current guys I like Russ Grimm of the Cardinals and from the NCAA Jim Harbaugh.
Grimm only just out to Tomlin at the Steelers, whilst Harbaugh was interviewed for the Jets before they went with Ryan. Both bring a blue collar, hard as nails, win tough attitude.
They say of Harbaugh’s Stanford that if they don’t beat you, at the worst they beat you up.
I want to see that sort of attitude.
by Kernowboy on Nov 22, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d echo Russ Grimm. Hard-nosed, no nonsense kind of coach, knows how to win, had good experience with a variety of offenses (Gibbs, Steelers old smash-mouth style, the Cardinals gunslinger offense).
Get us a good GM, and a couple decent co-ordinators (Weis, sure, or Kubiak? for OC, not sure on DC – Rivera?) and we have the makings of a nice group of coaches.
Also like to get a look at Frazier from Minny – but I think the Vikes just happen to have excellent Defensive personnel and he’s benefiting from it, rather than his coaching making the difference.
by T McGee on Nov 22, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heres an idea
GM: deCoesta
HC: Grimm
OC: Weiss/Trestman
DC: Billick
ST: April
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Billick would be an OC – he was the OC for the Vikings during Moss’s rookie year, which got him the head job in Baltimore. Why don’t we just have Jauron as DC?!?!
by karovda on Nov 22, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why don’t we just have Jauron as DC?!?!
God I hope that was a joke.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better than an OC in Billick as the DC!!
~K
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by Kurupt on Nov 22, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Billick is a joke.
When it comes to offense.
He is the LAST thing we need to be respectable again.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Weis would be a better OC than Billick. Ray Lewis and co. made that man who he is.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 23, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Billick also......
Takes shots at the Bills every chance he gets, believe me, we don’t want him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Russ Grim
I really like this guy as HC
he is in a dead heat with Jim Harbaugh for best unproven NFL HC, I would be happy with either if we go the unproven HC route.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I especially like about Harbaugh.
Was an ESPN talking head saying about stanford, if they can’t beat you, they weal at least beat you up, I like that mindset.
I would be all good with Harbaugh as the next HC. Who knows? Maybe he could salvage Trent?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 23, 2009 2:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My first first pick is Shanahan
But if Tony Dungy actually agrees to come to Buffalo I might jump so high that I’ll land in New York City!
Dungy isn’t just a fantastic coach (although having Payton Manning helped) but he’s fantastic a developping QB’s (again, having Payton Manning didn’t hurt). Heck I’d love to get Dungy as a head coach, even if that does mean that Micheal Vick comes with him and we end up drafting Tim Tebow (who I absolutly loath). If theres one coach who can fix Tebow’s mechanics, it would be Dungy.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dungy is a defensive coach. It was Jim Caldwell who prinicpally developed Manning from 2002 where he was the QB Coach/ Asst Head Coach.
Dungy has only ever coached on the defensive side of the ball
by Kernowboy on Nov 22, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dammit! Still, I’d be more than happy to have Dungy as a head coach.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 22, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As it doesn’t look like the Eagles have much use for him, sadly, I kinda have a feeling that Dungy would come as a package deal with Vick. so we wouldn’t even have to be worried about Tebow or any new rookie qb.
by hawaiianbuffalonian on Nov 23, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
… Eric DeCosta.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 22, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You need to call them and ask for an interview with that guy. I bet you could get one…
by krytime on Nov 22, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Allow me to re-post. Because this is the right thing to do for GM.
If anyone wants to debate me, look at the last 4 years drafts. The Giants have killed with their picks and plugging in starters. The Patsies have kinda sucked. And we are actually just a little worse than them.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 22, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t like the idea of a coach/GM in one person. Has that ever worked?
by Bill Frank on Nov 22, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bill Belichick is a living example that it has. Holmgren also had quite a bit success in Seattle etc.
Actually, thinking about it, I really wouldn’t be overly opposed to looking very closely at a guy like Eric DeCosta, because boy does he and Newsome know talent, when they see it. However, I’d still prefer Shanahan any day, but if we had to settle with something else, he’d be one of the first on my list.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Nov 23, 2009 8:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan to Cowboys
Most of the reports I have read, show the following coaches interested in the following teams:
Holmgren to Cleveland
Shanahan is first on the Cowboys board
Cowher to Panthers, if he goes anywhere
Gruden and Tony Dungy will keep with television gigs.
Bills as usual, will end up with second tier of coaches. Face it Bills fans, nobody is willing to coach in Buffalo, when they can coach elsewhere!
by BuffaloWhiner on Nov 23, 2009 12:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
OK, but Dallas is 7-3. If Phillips gets them to the playoffs, there’s at least a good chance that he keeps his job.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dallas is two lucky drives from being 5-5........
they are god awful.
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 23, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Dallas is god awful, I’m not sure there are enough superlatives to describe how bad we are right now. Dallas may be mediocre, but they have a quarterback who can win them games.
by karovda on Nov 23, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we're beyond helpless..........
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 23, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If these indications are correct you guys better start reading up on Mark Trestman.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 23, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop it with Trestman. No way is that going to happen.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 24, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
:-)
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 24, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You think he’s too high up on the food chain for us? :-)
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 24, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not, a good coach is a good coach, and while I would much prefer one of the big name coachs that are out there, Trestmen may very well be in the running as well. Just saying.
Whats your problem with the possibility of Trestman anyway?
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 24, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He's tainted by Canada
obviously
~K
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by Kurupt on Nov 25, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no problem with him per se. I have a problem with him following Jauron since they are both so lowkey and unknown. This fanbase needs a kick in the butt and I think Trestman would be underwhelming.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 25, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be Schottenheimer
Is my guess, since he played in Buffalo and already knows Ralph.
by BuffaloWhiner on Nov 24, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Schotty has repeadedly said that he wants to say retired. It would take an out of this world offer from Ralph to bring him our of retirement I would think.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 24, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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