Jaguars 18, Bills 15: Week 11 Film Session
The Buffalo Bills dropped an 18-15 decision yesterday to the Jacksonville Jaguars, once again squandering a fourth quarter lead in defeat. Perry Fewell's Bills had many of the same problems that Dick Jauron's Bills had - which isn't surprising, as it's kind of the same team - but there was at least one major difference that's worth mentioning in this week's film session.
We've got eight topics of discussion in this week's film review. Let's get this over with, eh?
On Ryan Fitzpatrick. One might argue that Fitzpatrick had his best game as a Bill yesterday, and statistically, that's true. Fitzpatrick averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, completed 18 of 31 passes, and in general was smart with the football. That's why he's starting over Trent Edwards, folks - rarely does Fitzpatrick make the wrong read. In fact, I only saw him make one poor read in Jacksonville, checking down to an out route to Josh Reed when he had Terrell Owens wide open deep. T.O. let him know he missed him, and the two moved on amicably and hooked up to have a really solid day.
Fitzpatrick's big problem is simple: he just doesn't throw a good ball. I charted all 31 of Fitzpatrick's throws, and while this is completely subjective, I judged 16 of those throws (51.6%) to be inaccurately placed, whether they were caught or not. Overthrows, passes too far ahead of or behind receivers - Fitzpatrick is all over the place. If Ralph Wilson is seriously considering spending $10 million on Buffalo's next head coach, he might consider spending a similar amount transplanting Fitzpatrick's brain into Edwards' body; that procedure might give us one of the best quarterbacks in the league. (Also acceptable for the transplant: J.P. Losman's body.)
On Terrell Owens. The guy's still got it. Forget about what the Mike Florios of the world continue to repeat about his supposedly "deteriorating skills," because that's garbage. Yes, Owens was toasting two incredibly inexperienced Jaguars cornerbacks on Sunday. Yes, you would hope that a player of T.O.'s pedigree would completely and utterly dominate names like Derek Cox and Tyrone Brackenridge. He did just that - his 9 catches, 197 yards and a 98-yard touchdown reception prove that he can still be a tremendous asset, even to a non-contending team. Owens probably won't be in Buffalo next season, but he's absolutely worth the risk for a team on the verge of contending in 2010.
Owens, by the way, was clearly the focal point of the passing attack this week; he was targeted 14 times, nine more than the next-highest Bills receiver, Reed.
On Andy Levitre. I thought he struggled mightily on Sunday, just as I thought he struggled in Tennessee. I also thought he looked better at left tackle than he did at left guard - his footwork was quick and concise on the edge, which really surprised me. He doesn't have the arm length or the wide base to consistently hold the edge - and let's remember that the Jaguars are one of the worst pass-rushing teams in the league, which helped Levitre's cause - but there aren't many rookie offensive linemen who can do what Levitre has done over the past two weeks. He has struggled, but he deserves a ton of credit for having the ability to play competently while flip-flopping between left tackle and left guard. At all costs, Buffalo needs to avoid this going forward, as it's going to be difficult for Levitre to develop his game over the next six weeks if he's playing different techniques every other down.
On Eric Wood. So much for using the rest of the season to develop our young offensive lineman; Wood's lower left leg injury - confirmed by the team after the game to be fractures to both his tibia and fibula - was one of the most gruesome injuries I've seen in quite some time. I don't blame Buffalo for playing Wood at right guard this season, but I've thought Wood was playing out of position all season. Now, it looks like he won't even finish his rookie season healthy. More on that this afternoon, but you've got to feel for this kid - he clearly loves playing football, and that's a tough way to go out. Get well soon, Eric.
On David Garrard and his stupid legs. Garrard is an incredibly average quarterback, and as such, the one thing you absolutely cannot let him do is hurt you with his legs. Buffalo was in this game because they did an outstanding job in run defense, limiting Maurice Jones-Drew to just 66 yards on 25 attempts. That forced the game back into Garrard's hands, but it was his legs that did damage to Buffalo. The stat line wasn't astounding - he ran for 16 yards on six attempts - but he picked up first downs twice with his legs on critical third downs, and he also added a two-point conversion on a quarterback draw. Buffalo only gave up seven first downs on the ground the entire game, but those two were pretty crucial.
On Kyle Williams. I mentioned the stellar performance of the run defense - that's the aforementioned clear difference between Jauron's Bills and Fewell's Bills that I mentioned - and Williams was the centerpiece of the effort. The guy was unblockable yesterday (on run downs, anyway). He finished with five tackles and was generally disruptive all day. He also put a big hit on Garrard while pass-rushing; Buffalo's pass rush was solid in the first half, though it waned in the second half as the Jaguars started to dominate in time of possession. Give Williams credit - his knee isn't 100%, but he was a dominant force on Sunday. Most might not consider him a starter going through a regime change, but you might consider it. He can really excel, particularly if he's not an every-down player.
On Aaron Maybin. I watched him closely, because let's just be frank - with the success of Washington rookie Brian Orakpo, patience with Maybin is (unfairly) wearing thin. I thought he looked really solid in the first half; he had an excellent bull rush on a stunt (which forced Garrard to step up into a blitz), and he looked quicker around the edge than I've seen him at any point this season. (It may have helped that he was lining up against rookie right tackle Eben Britton.) He even got a snap or two in which he rushed from a standing position, which Bills fans have been itching for all season; I thought he looked very uncomfortable doing this.
Then he disappeared in the second half, when he was far less effective and didn't really show up at all. This is pretty much what we've seen from Maybin all year - flashes of supreme athleticism and hustle while factoring into the rush peripherally, but stretches of blah play and a complete lack of a counter-move. Give him time, folks. Understand that inconsistency is entirely expected from a 21-year-old. Once the Bills (or, more accurately, the new regime of the Bills) figures out to use him, and he gets a little more comfortable in his own skin, he's going to be dynamite.
On Reggie Corner. Say what you want about him, but Drayton Florence might be the Bills' defensive MVP not named Jairus Byrd this season. He's tough, physical, and doesn't make many mistakes. So, naturally, with Terrence McGee sidelined for a second straight game as he recovers from knee surgery, Jacksonville went after Corner early and often. Corner was torched. He's a fast player who is willing to crack down against the run, but he's not a terribly quick corner, and he's got bad hips; it's pretty easy to turn him around, and it always gets him a half-step out of position. He got torched by Mike Sims-Walker on the deciding touchdown of the game, however, because of impeccable play design and a really sneaky rub route that impeded Corner's ability to keep up with MSW. Corner struggled, but he shouldn't be blamed completely for those decisive points.
If y'all noticed anything about particular players, units or situations, you are, of course, welcome to share those in the comments section.
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On Fitzpatrick -
I think it may be more his throwing motion and mechanics than anything else. They had one replay yesterday that showed him throwing a pass across the middle from right behind him, and it looked almost like he threw from underneath the ball. That particular throw was a good one, but it could be the reason why he’s tossing balls over people’s heads.
Man that throw to TO at the end of the game was a big one….would’ve put TO over 200 yards, would’ve put fitzpatrick over 300 yards, and would’ve given lindell a shot at the fg…
On Wood -
I hate to say it, but i’m pretty happy it was broken bones. When i saw that injury i figured that was all four knee ligaments gone and a floppy knee to deal with.
And finally, i might get killed for this, but i think Scott has looked pretty darn good at OLB. While he’s still out of position sometimes, he’s very very fast for that position and has made some very good plays and sure tackles.
Of course, as bills fans i think we probably get too high on players when they dont make mistakes as opposed to getting high on them for making big plays.
by quantumuprising on Nov 23, 2009 8:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the Scott comment. I thought he played very well.
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by bflo on Nov 23, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
transplanting Fitzpatrick’s brain into Edwards’ body; that procedure might give us one of the best quarterbacks in the league.
This week at practice, they will run into each other and full speed until they switch brains, like in “Freaky Friday”. Or until Brian Brohm gets his first career start, whatever happens first.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 23, 2009 8:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d say if anything the QB situation is not definite because they are considering giving Brohm a crack. In 3 starts Fitzpatrick has already had a game where he threw for more yards than Trent ever has in a game. I’d be shocked if Trent sees the field again this season.
by Polish Lover on Nov 23, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fwiw, I’m not actually saying they should give Brohm a start. Just that if the other two run headlong into each other, that would be the likely outcome.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Nov 23, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Thoughts
Overall I thought the game was decent, even thought our OL is beyond a joke. The injuries are just out of control. Wood’s injury was hard to watch, and I hope the best out of the situation.
Kyle Williams oh how we’ve missed you. The guy just keeps going, and I think our run D would of been better is Stroud had played. Also to note with the run D, Poz played a great game, and B Scott is a very special kind of hybrid player. I hope Buffalo keeps him around.
R.I.P. – Jarius Byrd’s INT streak, one of the only decent things going for this team. Still 6 games to go, he should get a few more.
I’m glad Fewell gave Parrish another chance to make some plays, (although after Lynch went down, he didnt have much of a choice) but I think its safe to say so long Roscoe.
T.O. had a great game, and I think this game will help the offense going forward. Hopefully teams will start doubling him opening up Lee a little more, but that was the purpose for him anyway.
It’s tough to watch Fitzpatrick make some of those throws, but as big of a Trent supporter I am, I just don’t see Trent making the audible and throwing that ball to T.O.
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by howedyhowe on Nov 23, 2009 8:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s tough to watch Fitzpatrick make some of those throws, but as big of a Trent supporter I am, I just don’t see Trent making the audible and throwing that ball to T.O.
This is a great summary of the QB problems, and what Brian said about them “switching brains” shows it, as well. We’ve got two halves of solid quarterbacking, but we can’t get them into one person. They are just both incomplete players, which is incredible frustrating.
For my money, I’d rather have Fitz in there throwing inaccurate balls with at least a chance for the receiver to catch it than have Edwards not throw it to them at all, which gives them (obvioulsy) no chance to catch it. And that deep ball to Owens was on the money and in one second T.O. came alive again. Let’s keep that momentum rolling. It should be clear now that our passing game is much more effective when he gets the majority of the attention.
by nickfeely8 on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the combination of fitzpatrick being unafraid to throw it to him, and fewell quite clearly deciding that TO needed more gameplanning/touches, its quite clear that TO is still a major weapon and should be targeted like that in every game.
by quantumuprising on Nov 23, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep. exactly.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 23, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its also a lot easier to work with Fitzpatrick on his throwing mechanics than to teach Edwards how to read the field and make intelligent in game decisions (particularly considering the concussion history).
by Polish Lover on Nov 23, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Poz was all over the field and was the main reason that Jones-Drew was held to 66 yards. Unfortunately he missed the tackle on his TD run.
Wood’s career is in jeopardy, depends on how badly his bones were splintered and whether any nerves were severed. Wish him luck.
I watched part of the Eagles-Bears game yesterday. Peters was an animal, he completely dominated the left side of the line. That’s how it goes with Buffalo.
by Rick A on Nov 23, 2009 8:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
…What game were you watching? I saw Peters commit a bunch of stupid penalties and screw up on several rushing plays.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 23, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I watched the end of third/ fourth quarters, didn’t see anyone get close to McNabb.
by Rick A on Nov 23, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The commentators certainly
talked up Peters. I think he was worth the investment for McNabb.
by Ono on Nov 23, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So then you should have seen the 10 yard penalty he took that just about killed a drive before it could begin.
by twoeightnine on Nov 23, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
early reports on Wood
Wood has successful surgery and the prognosis is good.
by Polish Lover on Nov 23, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson
played a solid game IMO. As with almost everyone else, flashes of solid football sprinkled with mistakes…a pandemic on this team (as are injuries).
I would rather see Edwards. Fitz is literally hit or miss. With the season lost, I think Edwards might work out the “read” issue given game action reps. It was obvious to me that TO and Fitz have a better rapport than TO/Edwards. You could see it in TOs body language. Last week, it was as though he was helping to make Edwards look bad deliberately and, IMO, trying to sway the coaches to go with Fitz. I know, Edwards can make himself look bad, but, TO is given to much “cred” and is “assassinating” another QB. Typical MO for TO.
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You honestly think that T.O. was purposely trying to make Edwards look bad?!? Because when Fitz has played before hes thrown how many long balls, and TD’s to T.O.?
They were just on the same page today, playing against terrible CB’s. Give T.O. 14 targets and he puts up numbers…give Lee Evans the same amount of targets, I’m sure the numbers would be similar.
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by howedyhowe on Nov 23, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
given TOs
history, yes I do. In other words, if TO wants to be on the same page, he is. If he’s pouting, complaining, and throwing chilish tantrums, he can disrupt the flow. It’s called selfishness and egomania.
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In the three previous games Fitz started T.O. caught 11 passes for 79 yards and 0 TD’s. So T.O. must of made Fitz look bad on purpose so Trent could get back in the lineup after the bye?
The fact of the matter is he’s on a terrible team that can’t get him the 14 targets per game that he needs(to produce), and has always got, no matter who the QB is.
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by howedyhowe on Nov 23, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK
I agree to disagree. But, another fact of the matter is that there is no TO in team.
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But, IMO, you’re not getting him the ball to appease his ego, you’re getting him the ball because our offense is better served when we do that successfully.
The only way I want Trent back in there is if he took some lessons from the game yesterday on how to spread the ball all over the field (even though they were mostly to one player, the routes were varied and spaced well) and I hope he sees the opportunity he has with the talent we have at receiver. If Trent got that through observation and is willing to try and change his tentative/scared attitude, then I say give him a shot the rest of the season. The problem is that we can’t know if he learned that lesson or not. I personally thought it was pretty obvious that our offense had a completely different spark/dynamic throwing the ball yesterday.
by nickfeely8 on Nov 23, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
Three penalties and one on a crucial third down that almost cost them the winning touchdown drive? Dominant is no what I saw. I saw a guy struggling to contain a spin dodge all game long.
-"...Dude, Marshawn, does Tom Brady get hyphy?"
-"What!!?"
by KGun on Nov 23, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure the problem with TO earlier this season was Edwards. I tend to think it was Jauron, actually. Frankly, he’s a wimpy play-caller. He ran a wimpy, ultra-conservative offense. I just don’t think we would have seen Jauron try to target TO as much. I got the impression he viewed Owens as a very fancy decoy, and was to be used to keep the opponents’ run defense honest. Fewell, so far at least, appears to be trying to use TO for his actual skills.
by gabefarkas on Nov 23, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch
any thing on his injury?
also – man – when’s he going to make a play this year?
first – he just can’t catch
second – he seems to dance more than ever
third – it’s the same line that Jackson plays behind, but seems to get more yards.
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by J2 on Nov 23, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lynch should be traded for a good draft pick
added to your list should be The Beast’s off-field problems, which have already caused a 3-game suspension. Like Trent Edwards, Lynch’s stock here is slipping very fast.
by ccthemovieman on Nov 23, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could you get a good draft pick for him at this point? I doubt it.
by Macktruck on Nov 23, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you guys are going way overboard on marshawn – its clear from certain runs that all his talents are still there. you need an offensive line and/or a credible passing game in order to run. we have neither right now.
by quantumuprising on Nov 23, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we’re going overboard.
first – fred runs behind the same line and gets better yardage
second – as good of a RB as he can be – he’s still a RB – who I think are replaceable.
since we are in rebuild mode – if we could get a 2nd for him – i’d probably listen. especially if a guy like shanahan comes here – he makes 1000 yd backs out of nobodies
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by J2 on Nov 23, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
since we are in rebuild mode – if we could get a 2nd for him – i’d probably listen.
If by “probably listen” you mean “listen intently and laugh maniacally at the highway robbery I’m about to commit,” then I agree.
If we were to try to trade Lynch – which I doubt happens any time soon – we wouldn’t get much more than a 4 or 5 in offers.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i was thinking 3rd as the lowest. 4th or 5th? i wouldn’t entertain
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by J2 on Nov 23, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I was waiting for this.
What makes people think this way. Desperation clouds the mind.
Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!
by VanScottM on Nov 23, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes people think this way. Desperation clouds the mind.
huh?
if you think this is desperation then you lost me last year when we retained DJ.
i’m not sure what the market for Marshawn is – I wouldn’t give him up for a 4th or 5th rounder I can tell you that.
why keep a player at a position that is easily replaced and has high turnover anyways when we could use that player to hep upgrade more pressing needs. either to package to trade up or part of a trade.
seriously – RB doesn’t make a championsihp team. lines and QB do – when you need to rework both of your lines and you need a franchise calibre QB something needs to be done. you need ammo – the best ammo we have that is easily replaceable is Marshawn Lynch
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by J2 on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am just being honest.
I knew at some point someone was going to suggest this. Marshawn is having a terrible year. I say terrible because Freddy still seems to be having a better one. Marshawn still has alot of untapped talent. He is a very immature young man that needs to realize he is among men his own age.
Lets just say we first need to overhaul our front office with a staff that carries a resume of successful pro football experience. Then lets say these people come in and bring a background of talent evaluators that can shop the free agent market to bolster a few starting positions and back fill the remaining starting postions with qualtiy depth. Then lets add a HC that can game plan for a team to play all four quarters, I mean halftime adjustments as well. Then we have a draft where we are looking at a minimum of 9 picks going into 2010. Having Marshawn on that team is more appealing to Buffalo than trading any of our potential play makers that are currently on the roster.
Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!
by VanScottM on Nov 23, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that’s the beauty (or issue) of having different strategies in league offices.
your idea seems good – for sure – that would be the route you take.
i would take a different route – I would (if I could get a good price) – sell Lynch for an attempt to upgrade the lines or the QB positon.
say if we needed to jump up 3 spots to land X QB – we could package Marshawn and our pick instead of giving up a 2. someting in those regards.
difference of strategies – for sure. desperation? not at all
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by J2 on Nov 23, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
History?
The Bills previous two featured backs were traded. Travis Henry was traded for a 3rd rounder, while is replacement, McGahee fetched a 3rd and 7th round pick.
We’ll see what the new regime decides. In addition to declining production, there were off-field issues with both of these guys that tipped the scales against keeping them. Marshawn seems to be falling into a similar pattern.
Although I’d like to see him in a Bills uniform, I wouldn’t bawl like a baby if we got a similar deal for him as is predecessors.
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by NJBill on Nov 23, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian
If by "probably listen" you mean "listen intently and laugh maniacally at the highway robbery I’m about to commit," then I agree.
Weren’t you one of the people who said we wouldn’t get a 1st for Peters? Just need the right team and a little competition for him.
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by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Peters plays a premium position. Lynch does not.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two words - Clinton Portis
“the Broncos traded Portis to the Redskins for cornerback Champ Bailey and a second-round draft pick”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Portis
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by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the Skins over paid.......
but they really needed someone………….and wouldnt you know the Broncos running game didnt ever lose a beat after Portis left………
RB’s are a dime a dozen.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 23, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo got a pair of 3rd rounders for Willis. I’d guess they could trade Marshawn for a 3rd and a late rounder or conditional pick in 2011.
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by kaisertown on Nov 23, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL yeah, and the Redskins came off so well from that that 31 other NFL teams are marveling at their genius.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not really the point
Trade him to the skins for all I care!
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by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is the point. That trade won’t be made again for a long, long time.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you saying Snyder has learned his lesson? Because I find that very doubtful...and he is not alone
And I didn’t say we would get the same as Portis for Lynch.
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by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand that. But saying stupid trades have happened doesn’t mean another stupid trade will happen.
This is all meaningless anyway, because I sincerely doubt Lynch goes anywhere.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch couldn't hold Portis' jock at this point in their careers
At the time of the trade, Portis had just completed his second NFL season. He had a pair of 1500 yard rushing season, 71 receptions for almost 700 yards, 31 total TD’s, and averaged 5.5 yards per carry. That was also in just 29 games (25 starts).
I’d be surprised if anybody gave up more than a 3rd for Lynch. He’s not dynamic and has looked very, very average this year. Maybe below average, actually.
The Redskins obviously overpaid for Portis, too.
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch couldn’t hold Portis’ jock at this point in their careers
waiting for someone to say it. Portis was looking ridiculous before his trade. Much better than Marshawn has.
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by poz on Nov 23, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I never said we should expect Lynch to fetch the same as Portis
just that what Brian was offering was ridiculously low.
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by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculously? I agree it’s low, but it’s not ridiculously low. Set the expectation. Third rounder tops for Lynch.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, a 3rd for Lynch is bend over and take it Shawshank Redemption style ridiculous
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by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch
Joe, weren’t you in favor of getting rid of Lynch because he’s one screw up away from a year long suspension?
Or am I thinking of someone else?
Vet RB’s aren’t worth what they once were worth….
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by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am in favor of getting rid of Lynch for that reason only if we can get goo value for him
IMO, a 3rd is not value. Lynch is not a bad RB. He is not having a great year, but something tells me he is not very motivated, and that is not just the weed takin :-)
Vet RB’s aren’t worth what they once were worth….
I don’t think you can make a blanket statement like that. What do you think AP would get if he hit the open market?
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by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe, I think think it’s fair to say this:
What do you think AP would get if he hit the open market?
Purple Jesus and Lynch are two completely different animals. PJ is in a league of his own…
by krytime on Nov 23, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is my point......you can't make a blanket statement like K did.
I think Polian must have put a curse on the Bills when he left. Anyone know where we can get a live Buffalo to sacrifice on the 50 yards line? Or, maybe we should use a Dolphin ??? Preferably, Nick Buoniconti
by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well AP isn't hitting the market, is he?
If the Vikings for some reason put him on the block, then yes, he’d command at least a 1st….but there’s a reason a guy like that won’t be on the block.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he is not. And that was not the point
Lynch is a good back. Yes, his value is balancing on the edge of a cliff, but that doesn’t mean you give him away unless you think he is about to fall. The key is to find a team desperate for a proven RB. I would trade him for a low first or an early second and third/fourth rounder. With as many holes as the Bills have, two second rounders might be best for the Bills.
I think Polian must have put a curse on the Bills when he left. Anyone know where we can get a live Buffalo to sacrifice on the 50 yards line? Or, maybe we should use a Dolphin ??? Preferably, Nick Buoniconti
by Joe P. on Nov 24, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But nobody's talking about giving him away
We’re just saying it’s hard to imagine his value at being anything more than a 3rd rounder and change.
Do you really think some team would give up a 1st or 2nd or a couple of 2nd’s for a Lynch???
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I we will not know until we ask, but
if that is the case, then we might as well keep him. Hell, if Ricky Williams can be productive after his issues, then Lynch can make a comeback too if necessary.
I think Polian must have put a curse on the Bills when he left. Anyone know where we can get a live Buffalo to sacrifice on the 50 yards line? Or, maybe we should use a Dolphin ??? Preferably, Nick Buoniconti
by Joe P. on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so then imagine...
…what kind of RB Shanahan can make out of Marshawn, if “nobodies” turn into 1000-yard rushers.
Personally, I don’t believe it was Shanahan who did that, but Kubiak and the Zone Blocking scheme.
But, if you think he can do that with RB’s, why not Marshawn?
by gabefarkas on Nov 23, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think his point was that since we already have Freddy
trading marshawn to fill other holes would make sense, and that’s especially true if you think Shanahan could make anyone into a 1000 yard rusher.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 23, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Shanahan can do that...
…so I guess I don’t share that sentiment about trading Marshawn.
by gabefarkas on Nov 23, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think we could get more for Marshawn than we got for Willis
Willis had a reconstructed knee and a history of gameday attitude problems. Remember the sandwich thing? Lynch has some off-field issues but has looked impressive at times and is generally healthy. he has been non-existent this year though. I think trading him might prove to be something the Bills regret.
by Polish Lover on Nov 23, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shanahan or Kubiak
I don’t know if it’s Kubiak. He hasn’t exactly built a dominant running game in Houston. They’ve been good at times, but not particularly consistent.
After Kubiak left Denver the Broncos finished 8th in rushing in 2006, 9th in 2007, and 12th in 2008.
The Texans finished 28th, 22nd and 13th in that time period. They are dead last in the league in rushing this year.
I think Denver’s decline was due to the move towards a passing heavy O with Cutler. But finishing in the top 12 each year is still pretty impressive.
The conclusion….I don’t know if it was Shanahan or Kubiak….haha. I tend to believe Shanahan was the one implementing the zone blocking scheme and techniques….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They are dead last in the league in rushing this year.
There is a side note to that though. There’s only one reason why they’re in that spot – it’s because sireric bamboozled me into trading three players for him in our BR2 FF league. I also picked Slaton in my money league, high in the 2nd round. This is the only logic you need to know that explains the poor Texan running attack…
by krytime on Nov 23, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
I have Slaton in the Rumblings league. He’s had some solid enough games for me because of the TD’s and receiving yards he’s gotten. Luckily, I don’t plan to start him anymore and have adequate depth. Unfortunately sitting at 4-6 (soon to be 5-6!), it probably won’t matter.
What was the trade?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Slaton for Julius Jones, Garrard, and the Texans D. He needed depth I believe, and I needed another RB after it became apparent that LT wasn’t LT anymore.
by krytime on Nov 23, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
You have the same team I have now….LT and Slaton are a part of it, though I have only begun starting LT again. Slaton will probably stay on my bench.
Even though Slaton has disappointed, you still won that trade, IMO. Jones is terrible and Garrard isn’t much of a fantasy option.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Shhh. I don’t want sireric to know that in case we end up in the same league again next year. I would much prefer to stand along the original “sireric bamboozled me” line…
Actually – I think it was a trade no one won.
by krytime on Nov 23, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some good points...
…but I think there’s two things worth mentioning.
1) the scheme was already installed and in place when Kubiak left, and Shanahan just kept it going.
2) What’s the Texans’ O-Line look like? Not great, I believe.
That said, given the choice between Kubiak and Shanahan (not that we have this choice, but hypothetically), I would take Kubiak, all things considered (salary, demands, ego, etc).
by gabefarkas on Nov 23, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know what?
After thinking about it, I don’t think it was Shanahan or Kubiak….I’m pretty sure Alex Gibbs was the mastermind behind the zone blocking schemes Denver and now Houston employ. I looked around some and he seems to be the guy credited with implementing the zone blocking in Denver when Shanahan/Kubiak/Gibbs all joined the Denver staff in 1995.
Gibbs joined the Falcons in 2004 and they immediately turned to zone blocking. The Falcons lead the NFL in rushing that year and during his three years in ATL, the Falcons rushed for the most yards in the league. They were also the only team who averaged over 5 yards per carry. Obviously, Vick was a huge part of that, but Warrick Dunn was extremely effective in that time. Even TJ Duckett had some good years. Jerrious Norwood put up 600+ yards in 2006, too.
Gibbs joined the Texans staff prior to the 2008 season. I guess it’s no surprise that they saw such an improvement in the running game last year.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In that case, the lesson is:
I’m an idiot.
by gabefarkas on Nov 23, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quit crying about how bad Lynch is. He had back to back 1000 yarders under a mediocre offensive line, his style of running doesn’t work with a line this bad.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he needs
to run like the cops are chasing him…
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it merely coincidence...
that with Whitner back in the line-up, the run defense was markedly better?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 23, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well first and foremost, GOODBYE to Mr. Parrish… Thank god. Should have been the last time he sees the field in a BIlls uniform.
Kyle Williams you played a hell of a game. Defense played good, but not good enough… what else is new?
Overall pretty pleased (minus the Wood injury, get well soon buddy) We put up some numbers, had alot of good plays. Lots of “stuffs” at the line. TO had a good game, nice to see him and his personality on the sideline, thats when he plays his best.
Let Fitz ride out the next 2 and start Brohm on the road in KC.
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by bflo on Nov 23, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm really not looking forward to breaking down the Jags game
Ugh. Just keeping track of which guy was at which position on pretty much every play will be tedious enough what with all of the shuffling. I’m flying out to DC in a little while so there’s a good chance I don’t get to it (and last weeks game as well) until the Christmas break hits.
I understand why Buffalo put Levitre at LT but would much, much rather see him continue to take reps at guard. It seems to be a more natural position for him and he still has a lot to work on at guard. The only silver lining to Wood’s injury (outside of it coming after he had gotten 10 weeks of NFL experience and early enough to allow him to recover by training camp) is that Buffalo will pretty much be forced to start Levitre at guard. In the long run that should help him (and the Bills),
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by Ron From NM on Nov 23, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
have a safe trip
unfortunately reading about the Redskins while you’re there will be llike reading about the Bills! They don’t look so sharp either!
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I may comment
I do not understand how Jacksonville won the game. No one has stopped Maurice all year and you guys did. You stopped the run and had David running for his life all game. Wow.
You are right about Fitzpatrick, however. His brain is good but that is almost all there is. I would have rushed the hell out of him because he was inaccurate enough and with pressure?
You guys stunned us down here in Jacksonville. As a former (long time ago) Bills fan, I was glad to see the strength you showed. Glad you didn’t win, but best of luck in the future.
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by Tkopa on Nov 23, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
How do you become a former fan of the Bills or any team?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Live in Jacksonville when they get an expansion team. Or be a casual Bills fan during the Super Bowl runs with no real ties to the city of Buffalo and then move to a city that has a team.
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by kaisertown on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this for an excuse
When I was a Bills fan Cookie Gilchrist rode around town with a car that said “Lookie Lookie, here comes Cookie”.
TIme swept me away and landed me in Jacksonville. Sorry. Still have a fond spot in my heart for the Bills and think Lou Saban deserves a statue next to Jim Kelly.
- Terry
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by Tkopa on Nov 23, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind the Bills were down eight starters from the beginning of the season.
OT’s Bell and Butler
TE Schouman
DT Stroud
LB’s Mitchell and Ellison
CB’s McKelvin and McGee
by Rick A on Nov 23, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully someone figures out a way to teach these guys how to close a game......
this is getting ridiculous.
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 23, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Its funny (in a depressing way) that everyone on here just knew how the game was going to play out over the last 15 minutes. This season is obviously a wash but at some point these guys gotta learn how to win a game. They’ve got the losing down…
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
by bflo on Nov 23, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4th quarter differential
is 54 to 0 in the last 3 games. It is way beyond ridiculous.
by jpheff on Nov 23, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would involve not getting the D gassed in the first 3 quarters.
by twoeightnine on Nov 23, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
TOP was again lopsided against us. Buf23:36, Jax 36:24. hard not to get tired when you’re on the field 2/3 of the time.
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and most of that was in the second half – i think think the TOP’s in the first half were like, less than 15 seconds apart.
by quantumuprising on Nov 23, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i think it was in our favor as well
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 23, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't necessarily agree in this one
The Bills held a 16:14-13:46 advantage in TOP in the first half. After halftime, the Jags had a 3:20 drive to start the half. Then TO caught the long TD. Can’t complain about that possession. The Bills D then allowed a 7:07 drive that ended in a Jax punt. After a Bills punt, they stopped the Jags on consecutive short series.
I really don’t think the O can be blamed for the D being gassed down the stretch in this one. If the D could have gotten off the field in the 3rd quarter instead of allowing a couple of longer drives, maybe they wouldn’t have been so tired at the end of the game. Even then, they didn’t look particularly gassed, they just looked overmatched and as usual, unable to make a play at the end.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest difference from the Jauron era
I think the biggest difference we saw yesterday was not on defense, but on offense. There were actually three WR’s on nearly every play, and sometimes even four, and at times some of them were in motion before the snap. That may be in part because we have no TE’s left to put in a two TE formation, but even so Fewell was willing to take a chance giving Fitz lots of targets instead of focusing on max protect, even with a badly wounded o-line. And that made a huge difference. That alone justified the coaching change.
On Fitz I think we should hold off before assuming he is wildly inaccurate. 16 of his 31 throws may have been “wildly placed,” but how many of those throws were made while he was under higher-than-average pressure? On his final pass, for example — the one that was too high for T.O. to get a grip on and that went on to be intercepted — should we call that “inaccurate” or should we say we had a QB who was desperately trying to make a play even when he had no business throwing the ball given all the Jags closing in on him? Having followed him since his college days, I think Fitz is a much more gutsy QB than you usually see and willing to try to get off throws under pressure that most other QB’s would never attempt (perhaps to avoid ruining their stats). I’m not saying he is super-accurate, just that he would fall within the normal range if he had a decent o-line to protect him.
by Macktruck on Nov 23, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The one thing I remember about Fitz
Early in Training camp, he was pathetic. He did improve to a point but once again has reached his peak. He has never been given this opportunity before. Opportunity being the #1 guy. Unfortunately, he plays like he is a #2 QB on anyone’s roster. Today he has a chance to become a #1 QB. This would not happen in Cincy behind Palmer and was basically told it won’t happen in Buffalo. This is his opportunity to earn some respectibility among his peers. This is why he came here, this is why Brian Brohm came here.
Fitzy can read defenses and make throws that Trent cannot. Fitz will take shots that Trent will not. He has to play so we can see what we have for next year.
Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!
by VanScottM on Nov 23, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(Also acceptable for the transplant: J.P. Losman’s body.)
I bet Losman would love to play with this WR corp – probably not going to win many – but at least get some exciting plays.
fitzy is at least giving his guys chances – if we’re going to lose i’d rahter it be a fun game to watch instead of the unwatchable games Edwards put us through.
on a side note – we are the only team that the Browns beat
Never put salt in your eyes
by J2 on Nov 23, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
loss to Browns
a monument to our season
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Week 8 last year, the Browns were 3-4. Since that point, they’re 2-17. Yes, I think you know who both of the wins are against.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 23, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
stop – just…. don’t ever give me that stat agin
Never put salt in your eyes
by J2 on Nov 23, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had
repressed the memory…until you brought it up!
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Brian,
I would appreciate it, if in the future, you would warn me before you kick me in my junk.
Thanks
With Love,
Norcaliangelsfan
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I started it – but ya – makes me go all ;aljkdl;asjfl;jwaiofnkanfl;nafoianfkljj23908uy 489hyr23q r9pyhnfjvnisahnfjkanhhfuih89hf9p8qfj4e
Never put salt in your eyes
by J2 on Nov 23, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a good stat to remember Jauron by
The Browns are an 0-16 team that happened to be handed a victory.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. You know what’s funny? I know the Browns are bad, but I guess I’ve never really considered them a complete mess because I’ve been thinking, “Well, they beat the Bills twice, so their franchise can’t be doing all that bad.”
With yesterday’s loss to the Lions, and Brian’s complete nut-kick of a stat, it just dawned on me how horrible that franchise has been the last two seasons.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
by thatguy34 on Nov 23, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Office sig. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 24, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not good for Wood
- I did not watch the game, have no reason to watch the Bumbling Bills anymore, but am sorry to hear about Wood – is this team jinxed or what!!!!!!! How many injuries can a team take, especially one with inferior talent. But with an injury like that, I doubt he will be ready for training camp. That sounds very, very serious. I hope it doesn’t affect his career. Tim Krumrie had a similar injury years ago…….
by BuffaloWhiner on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
a few things
Maybe I’m the only one who remembers but does everyone remember when we were saying if only we could have Edwards brain and poise in Losman’s body? My how one horrendous o-line can destroy a QB (and two concussions). We were saying that only a year and a half ago.
Why is no one stating the obvious? We’re all saying TO and Fitz have a connection all of a sudden? Before it was Fitz and Lee. I think credit here goes to Mr. Perry Fewell. Looks like our new interim coach understands a complex game strategy that our previous coach didn’t: GET T.O. THE BALL. Thank you Perry!! Just throw it at him and design the offense around HIM. Well done, coach. To me this was the biggest difference between the two coaches at first glance. And I like it. With how close some of our losses were we could have won a few more using TO more.
Poz played excellent run defense in my opinion. No one agreed with me in the game thread but I’m glad others on this post noted it. MJD was getting nothing becuase Poz wouldn’t let him break th tackles he usually does on a regular basis. He is a very good tackler.
I have long questioned why Reggie Corner was drafted, even after he became a fan favorite, because not only is he not very good, hes also small. He was finally exposed.
Eric Wood’s injury is very upsetting. The injuries this year are a joke.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 23, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I’m the only one who remembers but does everyone remember when we were saying if only we could have Edwards brain and poise in Losman’s body? My how one horrendous o-line can destroy a QB (and two concussions). We were saying that only a year and a half ago.
absolutely. And remember that Losman wasn’t always like that. He developed the yips after proving he could be an effective QB, and he still hasn’t recovered. Now the same thing has happened to Trent. It’s a shame.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 23, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wonder if the QBs coming out
will consider going back to college to avoid any risk of getting drafted by the Bills and having their careers ruined, hahaha
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 23, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or at least
pull an Elway or a Manning
by fansince60 on Nov 23, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could you imagine!
that would be devastating!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless we could trade that QB for Phil Rivers and Shawne Merriman!
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by kaisertown on Nov 23, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very true indeed kaiser!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 23, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And then watch that QB win the Super Bowl!
by twoeightnine on Nov 23, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also very true hah!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 23, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I especially like the “Franchise QB” t-shirt. As a Yankee fan, I appreciate the “Masshole” one as well—it’s referring to the Big Dig, right?
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Nov 24, 2009 3:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate the "Masshole" one as well—it’s referring to the Big Dig, right?
I would imagine it’s a tribute to the people of MA….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 24, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WELL.............
Jake Locker has his contract with the Angels to play baseball……so…………….lol
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 23, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
remember how we were patting ourselves on the back for trading Willis for the pick that got us Edwards?
"I want Winners. ... Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. ..." - Mike Singletary
by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i would do that trade a dozen times over
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Nov 23, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe....but it doesn't look nearly as good as it did when we thought Edwards was a starting caliber NFL QB
"I want Winners. ... Cannot win with them. Cannot coach with them. Can't do it. I want winners. I want people that want to win. ..." - Mike Singletary
by Joe P. on Nov 23, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this conversation is making me depressed
the only good thing about Trent failing our dreams and us being 3-7 is we will have a new coach with a top 5 pick to choose his own QB. that has to be appealing to some big name coaches (shanny!)
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 23, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Top five is possible, but not at all certain… six teams are tied (5th-10th) at 3-7: KC, Oakland, Seattle, Washington, and Tennessee (assuming they lose tonight). Those are some really bad teams – are all of them going to win more games than the Bills will in the last 6 games?
Tampa, St. Louis, Cleveland and Detroit don’t look like they can catch up either, though stranger things have happened.
I won’t calculate the Bills strength of schedule yet, but with the Colts, Saints, and two Patriot games on the schedule, it doesn’t look good for tiebreakers.
by Krenn on Nov 23, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good stuff Krenn
i think Tenessee ends up with a better record and Seattle, Washington and Oakland can all do it. St. Louis, Cleveland and Detroit I see as top 3. I think four or five is possible. Think Clausen or Locker makes it that far?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
by poz on Nov 24, 2009 3:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Corner is also pretty slow
That draft had a lot of decent CB’s go after the Corner pick as well…..Jonathan Wilhite, Brandon Carr, Orlando Scandrick, Zack Bowman….Oh well
I still have no idea how Corner became such a popular player. He was bad last year and hasn’t looked any better this year. I guess those practices in shorts and helmets really put him in the good graces!!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Nov 23, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess people like his surname. Bubba Tackle would be popular as well.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Nov 23, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d draft any man named Bubba Tackle, even if he was a Safety.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 23, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a safety and a shrimp boat captain.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
by NJBill on Nov 24, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Maybin is going to be our next Mike Williams. I also think he would be an excellent choice for my flag football team in the 14th annual Turkey Bowl this Thursday morning. He would DOMINATE against us 40-50 year old white guys, he just can’t hang with the big boys in the NFL. I can’t believe there are people here who still think Trent is the answer. Didn’t you learn anything from the JP fiasco? Just to be on the record, I would take JP in a minute over Trance.
by bflobob8 on Nov 23, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
1) Mario Williams
2) UFL
I don’t feel I have to explain myself any further.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 23, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills.....
should try and sign Calvillo from the Alouttes (CFL).
by Muscle-Dolphin on Nov 23, 2009 5:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Williams played like a complete stud on Sunday. Bum knee and bum shoulder he still showed up with Stroud out. Can’t say enough about him. One of my favorite Bills now if he wasn’t before.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 24, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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