Rumblings Draft Scouting: Offensive Line Prospects
It's been a couple of weeks since we've done a Rumblings Draft Scouting piece - the Buffalo Bills' firing of Dick Jauron and the subsequent rumor mill chatter kept us pretty busy - but now that things have died down some, our weekly scouting piece returns.
At the time that this post was published, Buffalo currently has five healthy offensive linemen - Andy Levitre, Geoff Hangartner, Jonathan Scott, Kirk Chambers and Jamon Meredith. One might argue that, at a maximum, two of those players are legitimate NFL prospects. Demetrius Bell might be considered legitimate, too, but he's having trouble staying healthy, and it might not be wise to count on him as a starter in 2010.
Naturally, we thought y'all might enjoy talking about 2010 NFL Draft prospects on the offensive line. Away we go.
Offensive Tackles
1. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State (6'5", 300-pound senior)
- The nation's top pass protector without question. Possesses elite athleticism and footwork. Has been dominant against top-flight competition as a senior. Still something of a liability in the run game, and can be overwhelmed at the point of attack. Smart kid with a good work ethic and the frame to add a little bulk. Okung is really the only tackle that is a mortal lock for the Top 10.
2. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers (6'5", 330-pound junior)
- Many scouts will tell you that Davis is a road grader who fits best on the right side. I don't see it. I see a powerful guy who can play the left side, even at his weight, and who is slightly better in pass protection than he is run blocking. I really like his athleticism, and he plays the game with the right demeanor. I'll consider Davis the most well-rounded tackle if he declares, but his ceiling is lower than other players'. I'd take him in the Top 12 without hesitation.
3. Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa (6'6", 304-pound junior)
- I really like Bulaga as a prospect, but he's just not the elite player that you see taken at the very top of the first round these days. Bulaga's very technically sound and has a great reach to help him in pass protection, but he's not an astonishing athlete, and again, his upside might be somewhat limited. He's a safe pick, however, and could be considered an instant starter on the blind side.
4. Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland (6'7", 310-pound junior)
- Campbell might be the highest-upside tackle in the nation right now. He's a phenomenal athlete with great length, and he's really come on as an elite lineman as a junior despite playing for a very mediocre Maryland team. But he's also missed a lot of time with nagging minor injuries, much like Bell, and that's a pretty major concern. He's pretty boom-or-bust, and he might not declare, but he's definitely a Round 1-type prospect.
5. Charles Brown, OT, USC (6'6", 298-pound senior)
- I look at Brown as a poor man's Okung. He's an elite pass protector with great footwork and the ability to consistently mirror. He plays with surprising power and isn't one-dimensional, but like Okung, he can still be controlled at the point of attack. He's a bit of a project player in that he'll need a year or two in a weight program to reach his full potential, but he's got elite left tackle written all over him. Right now, I consider him a fringe Round 1 prospect.
Others to keep tabs on: Jason Fox (Miami, FL), Selvish Capers (West Virginia), Trent Williams (Oklahoma), Ciron Black (LSU)
Interior Linemen
1. Stefen Wisniewski, C, Penn State (6'3", 297-pound junior)
- I don't think Wisniewski will enter this year's draft, but it's still at least possible. Centers are becoming hot commodities - two were drafted in the first round last year - and Wisniewski has the look of a top-end NFL anchor. He plays with great leverage and really understands angles and how to open up run lanes.
2. Maurkice Pouncey, C, Florida (6'5", 318-pound junior)
- This guy is fun to watch. He's a really big kid and plays a very physical brand of football. He can bend and anchor, and even better, he looks completely at ease on the move when pulling or getting to the second level. Many scouts will consider him the best center in the draft, even ahead of Wisniewski, and it'd be hard to argue with them.
3. Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho (6'5", 330-pound senior)
- I consider Iupati the most NFL-ready lineman currently playing college football. He's huge, moves extremely well for a man his size, and is absolutely dominant at the point of attack. He's also an incredibly motivated and humble young man. The big question surrounding Iupati is whether or not he'll be able to adjust to a pretty massive change in competition level, but as far as run blockers go, Iupati is the best of the best this year. Another immediate starter.
4. Eric Olsen, C, Notre Dame (6'4", 305-pound senior)
- If Buffalo's new regime digs versatility as much as the one currently on its way out, Olsen will be high on their board. He was a guard up until this season, when he shifted over to the pivot. He's had a great season and made the switch seem effortless. He's not a top-end athlete, but he's well-rounded enough to be a starter at either center or guard in the NFL for quite a while.
5. Mike Pouncey, OG, Florida (6'5", 320-pound senior)
- Yes, he's the brother of Maurkice. No, he's not as talented as his younger brother. But Mike is an excellent pro prospect in his own right - he plays the same physical style of football and is fluid enough athletically to block at all levels. He's not the borderline first-round prospect that every name on this list is (with the exception of Olsen), but he, too, has the look of a guy a team can plug in at guard immediately and let him play for a long time.
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GEt all of them!
No really… draft as many of these guys as possible and see where the chips fall
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by killascript on Nov 24, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Anthony Davis #2 on the list???
He kind of struggled against Syracuse this weekend….Every time I’ve seen Rutgers, he looks good for a couple plays, then pretty bad for a play or two. With that said, some consistency could really make him a nice NFL LT. I guess I’m just surprised to see him #2 on this list. I guess it’s more due to his ability to play right away than it is his potential?
Seems like a lot of these OT prospects need to add bulk and strength. Does that make them starters from day 1, or guys that need a little time? I’m looking at Okung, Bulaga, Campbell, Brown, Capers….
I’m thinking we’ll need to go after a Center or starting Guard again. I don’t know a lot about Iupati, but how does a kid of his talent end up at Idaho? What’s his story? I noticed that he’s one of three finalists for the Outland Trophy, with Okung and Suh, for the best OL or DL in the country. That’s impressive. He sounds like one of those tough, hardworking SOB’s. I love me some of those dudes on the OL.
I’d love to get a franchise QB and two of these guys! That’d be an excellent haul and take some creative maneuvering, but that’s ok. We can hope!
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by Kurupt on Nov 24, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Iupati was just a late bloomer. He was considered a bit of a late rounder and project last year, but things have really come together for him. The fact that Idaho has worked their way out of the basement and doesn’t look like one of the worst programs in the country anymore has helped him too. He is one of those Somoan players who seem to either be superstars at USC or come from complete obscurity at other schools.
Brown and Capers are big time projects, I think the other guys could start right away, altough they would probably be pretty inconsistent.
How does one brother get the name "Maurkice" and the other "Mike"?
That’s a hell of a good question.
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by kaisertown on Nov 24, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mother was
still inder anesthetic when she named Maurkice
by fansince60 on Nov 24, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a hell of a good question.
Couldn’t have said it better. How does that happen?
by krytime on Nov 24, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. Davis did struggle some against ‘Cuse. He’s had so many good games this year, though, that I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 24, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I’ve only seen him a few times and not exactly for long periods. How is his consistency?
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by Kurupt on Nov 24, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the most consistent I’ve seen. I’m no pro, but I’ve seen him three times, all in losses, and been really impressed. Needs a little polish, but who doesn’t?
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 24, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the USF game? He was really, really good there.
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by Mocking Dan on Nov 24, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t see that game, but yeah, I read that he took care of Selvie and JPP with ease.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 24, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Davis played well vs. USF
Selvie got no movement against Davis.
JPP also struggled, and USF moved him to LDE and UDT to get him more involved.
Davis’ kick slide out of his stance is good and also quick, and he keeps his balance while doing so. Shuffles his feet well and has LT feet IMO. He’s also strong enough to anchor and handle bull rushers.
If it’s me, I take Davis over Okung. Davis reminds me of Tarik Glenn in some regards: a big dancing bear that looks a lot like a RT but has LT skills.
by Der Jaeger on Nov 25, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re looking immediate impact, I take Davis over Okung right now, too. But Okung is an immediate starter as well, and he’s got more upside, IMO.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 25, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Potentially
And I don’t take anything away from Okung, and I’d be happy to get him. I just like Davis’ physical skills better than Okung’s.
by Der Jaeger on Nov 25, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will be very happy if we get either one of them
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by Joe P. on Nov 25, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
He really took Selvie out of the game. The couple times he faced JPP, he also fared well.
by Der Jaeger on Nov 25, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have been preaching that the Bills should daft a DT for a while (only because of how good they are and where the bills will be drafting in the first round).
But if the Bills were able to get a nice OT in the first round I wouldn’t be unhappy at all. Though I whole heartedly agree that Wood should be moved to C next year, and I hope whoever comes in does this (hopefully he recovers well).
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by Ghetts on Nov 24, 2009 12:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, who knew...
that Bruce Campbell also played LT! Imagine Ash laying waste to zombies…oh wait, not that Bruce Cambell.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 24, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hold off on OT
I think it’s way too early to give up on Bell as being especially injury-prone. We don’t know yet whether the minor knicks he has suffered this year were just bad luck or part of a long-term pattern. I would say the Bills should give him another year as the starting LT (he has been looking better and better as the season has progressed) and also wait to see how Meredith develops at RT. And we will also have Brad Butler coming back. Our focus in the first few rounds of the 2010 draft should be QB, DT, OLB and a really good interior o-lineman from the group Brian lists in his piece (i.e., to replace Hang as a starter, since he is probably the weakest link on this year’s o-line aside from RT).
by Macktruck on Nov 24, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure why Bell’s presence, even if he’s still the starter, should discourage Buffalo from drafting an OT. Bell’s injury problem may not be a pattern, but Butler’s is. We absolutely, 100% need good player(s) at OT.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 24, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec, rec, and rec some more. If everything goes right, having too many good OTs is a fantastic problem to have. If things go badly, we still have adequate depth at a premium position.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 24, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree that we probably need another OT, although we still don’t really know what we have in Meredith, who a lot of draft scouts saw as a high-round prospect. But it seems to me that we can afford to hold off a year in using a first or second rounder on an OT in light of the needs at QB, OLB, DT, and OG. I’m simply suggesting that other priorities should come first. We still have Brad Butler, Kirk Chambers (who as Ron pointed out was back to his role as a solid reserve player at OT the last time he got the chance to play there) and Jonathan Scott.
by Macktruck on Nov 24, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, but you’re suggesting needs-based drafting. If Buffalo has the No. 8 pick, for example, and they have an OT graded out significantly higher than any other position, they better not force the issue with a need position simply because Bell might be good. That’s suicide. And anyway, drafting an O-Lineman is never, ever a bad thing.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 24, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And anyway, drafting an O-Lineman is never, ever a bad thing.
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by NJBill on Nov 24, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I’m more of a draft-for-need guy, especially when the team has so many needs. In any event, the likelihood that there will be a good QB, DT or OLB available when we draft is very high. But you are right that we should not simply assume that Bell might be good. The new GM (let us pray there is one) and HC will need to evaluate Bell’s work this year and make the determination as to whether he is up to the task. And of course in making that evaluation it will be important to compare him to other first-year LT’s. Watching Eugene Monroe make a number of mistakes this past Sunday suggested to me that he really is playing at about the same level as Bell right now, even though Monroe was a top ten pick. If that’s true, it would be a mistake to waste our own top ten pick on an LT.
by Macktruck on Nov 24, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One of the constants this year has been the line not being able to sustain drives. Either they don’t give trent or fitz enough time to throw down field, or they commit a costly penalty. O-Line is certainly a No. 1 priority. I’ll go as far as to say it’s more important than drafting a QB in the first round.
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by fansince83 on Nov 24, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if this year
has taught us anything…we need OL help AND depth especially at OT. I’d take a couple of these road graders in a heartbeat.
by fansince60 on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Campbell
is someone I’d take at No8 or lower as his conditioning can be improved.
Bell simply has failed to learn and its critical to the health of the QB that he only be considered a backup.
And at least with Campbell we can call the line ‘The Army of Darkness’
If we eventually plan to move Wood to C, then Iupati would give us a viscous right hand side beside Butler.
by Kernowboy on Nov 24, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we eventually plan to move Wood to C, then Iupati would give us a viscous right hand side beside Butler.
I’m going to assume you meant vicious, as in mean and aggressive behavior, rather than viscous, as in thick and sticky liquid. Well, maybe not. I don’t know.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 24, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sid Viscous played a mean “slide” bass guitar.
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by NJBill on Nov 24, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bruce Campbell is also rumored to be playing Mysterio in ‘Spider-Man 4’
by Zumone on Nov 24, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But if he does that, how is he also going to do like 12 little cameos too? It’s too much for one man, I say!
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 24, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What does anyone know about the OT from Texas Tech, Brandon Carter. I dont know much about him besides him being all tatted up and facepaint. But the games I watched them play in last year he was an animal. Very mean, nasty streak. Dont really know much about him as a pro-prospect tho.
And I dont want to lean on ESPN as my crutch with him because he may just be a loud, cheerleader type player that they like to promote. I honestly dont know about him much so if anyone on here could help that would be great.
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by bflo on Nov 24, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Carter’s a guard prospect, and not a great one. I sincerely doubt he’ll ever be anything more than a solid backup. Really not impressed.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 24, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alright thanks.
Like I said I didnt know much about him and really only ever hearing about him on a sportscenter story. So he must have been another loud guy that worked well with tv audience and thus making him a “good” football player. I hate ESPN haha.
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by bflo on Nov 24, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
QB or OT?
If we end up with a top 5 pick, and the draft falls perfectly so we end up with our choice of a top QB (Bradford, Clausen, Locker, etc) or a top OT (Okung, Bulaga, Davis, etc) who do we take?
I vote QB, but want to see what you guys think our choice should be (combine positional value with team need).
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by shrubz on Nov 24, 2009 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it is pointless drafting a QB if we cannot protect.
Before the Colts drafted Manning they had the intelligence to draft Tarik Glenn LT
If we’re Top5, I think Okung goes to the Lions or maybe the Chiefs and if we can we should drop 3-4 places, draft Campbell and maybe pick up and extra 2nd or 3rd rounder.
I don’t think Clausen or Locker are franchise QBs – more Heath Shuler and Trent Dilfer, whilst Bradford is simply too injured
Get the lines sorted, have a game managing QB, and then look to see when Bradley or Luck declare
by Kernowboy on Nov 24, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is, that really can’t be answered until we know who’s available in free agency… if the best QBs available are Tarvaris Jackson, Patrick Ramsey, or J.P. Losman, but the Bills can sign a stud OL, maybe a QB would be better to draft.
According to this site, Jahri Evans, Logan Mankins, and Marcus McNeill are set to hit free agency. Not that the Bills could afford any of them, but hey – I can dream.
Also, it’s going to depend on which QBs declare for in the draft – there may be more junior QBs with a 1st round grade than seniors. If not many declare, than wait for next year when the talent pool will be deeper.
by Krenn on Nov 24, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent summary as usual Brian!
That’s why I keep visiting this site. I am a Lions fan and am pretty sure we will be picking ahead of you guys. There is a lot of noise on the Lion site about taking Okung, but personally I would like to see us take the best available defensive player [Suh, McCoy or Berry] then get an OT early in the second. I would have liked to see your take on Jason Fox of Miami. I saw some of the Miami versus North Carolina game and he looked very good. Lions appear to be BPA oriented right now [thank god!] so it is hard to predict what they will take.
In my opinion, I see the Bills going for a QB in 2010, although that is very dependent upon who is available when your pick comes up.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 24, 2009 3:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"You don't want Suh or McCoy"
(he says using his time-honored Jedi mind trick)
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by Ono on Nov 24, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Yoko, I mean Ono, you need to concentrate in Mayhew's and Schwartz's direction.
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You guys may have a shot at McCoy if you are drafting around seventh or eighth and depending on who is in front of you. Suh? Suh? Are you kidding me?!? No chance.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 25, 2009 8:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Fox, but he’s in that needs-development category of tackle this year. Really solid athlete (used to play TE) who is a better pass-blocker than run blocker. He’s played a little guard too, but he’s not an immediate starter, and he really needs a lot of mental and physical reps in an NFL setting.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 24, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fox
Great movement skills but struggles to anchor and show any power. Is really a bulked up TE that doesn’t (yet) have the core strength to play OT at the NFL level. I like Fox a lot, but Buffalo doesn’t have the option to sit him a year while he improves his strength, like they did with John Fina.
by Der Jaeger on Nov 25, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian, where would you project Bulaga to go?
I’m more interested in an immediate starter at LT than somebody with a super high ceiling. If they’re a starting LT in this league, and we could get him by trading back up into the 20’s after taking a franchise QB (if we decide there is one) with our first pick, then I’m a happy camper. Though with this most recent injury to wood, we may need to be looking at the interior of our line once again, huh?
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by JPH on Nov 24, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Right now – and keep in mind that right now is incredibly meaningless – I’d say anywhere between 10 and 20 for Bulaga.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 24, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SEC must be overated
No top notch linemen from the SEC? I think you must dislike the SEC. Easily the best conference in College football must have some linemen studs. What gives?
by bwoog on Nov 24, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did you completely miss the Pouncey brothers? Or is Florida in the Big 12?
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 25, 2009 6:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The SEC did just graduate Michael Oher, Andre Smith, Antoine Caldwell, Jonathon Luigs and our very own Jamon Meredith into the NFL. Florida graduated both starting tackles last year and starts a freshman at LT right now. Tennessee’s LT is going to have to play guard in the NFL. Ciron Black just missed the list. Georgia’s Clint Boling could be very high on this list next year. Ole Miss starts a freshman and sophomore at tackle. Auburn’s Lee Ziemba should be a high pick, but not quite high enough to make the list. South Carolina has some interesting younger guys who won’t be in the draft this year.
It just didn’t line up for the SEC to be strong on the OL this year, particularly at offensive tackle.
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by kaisertown on Nov 25, 2009 8:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SEC is not as goood a conference this year as the PAC 10...
they have the best team, but the PAC 10 teams this year are fielding rosters with NFL players on every one of them…
by NorCal BillsFan on Nov 25, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
let's let the two conferences play a round robin, and we'll see what the records are
my moneys on the SEC.
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by JPH on Nov 25, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You go to Vanderbilt, homer.
But yeah, my money’s on the SEC, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 25, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is the closest to the SEC that the PAC 10 has probably ever been (at least in my lifetime), but if we’re lining up the best SEC team with the best from the PAC 10, #2 vs #2, etc… the SEC wins at the top (Florida, Alabama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU) vs. (USC, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon St. Cal). The SEC dominates them on the 2nd/3rd tier too (Georgia, Auburn, South Carolina, Arkansas, Kentucky) vs. (Arizaona, Arizona St., UCLA, Washington) and the bottom of the SEC (Vandy, Miss. St) would hammer Washington State.
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by kaisertown on Nov 25, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Assuming Wood will make a full recovery
1. LT – Okung or Davis
2. QB – Tebow or Pike
3. OG – Mike Pouncey
Bring in a FA vet at QB to bridge the gap while we develop our QB of the future and a OLB. Pray to God the defensive front seven come together.
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by Joe P. on Nov 24, 2009 11:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why do so many people like Pike?
I don’t see him as a 2nd round prospect at all. For such a tall kid, he’s very skinny and I don’t think he has a strong arm at all. He’s injury prone and doesn’t really have a ton of experience either.
Is it because he’s put up some nice numbers for a Cincy team where everyone puts up numbers?
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by Kurupt on Nov 25, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m waiting to see Pike in a Bowl and at the Senior Bowl.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 25, 2009 6:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I loved Pike at first, but watching Collaros run that offense just as well reminds me of Brohm and Hunter Cantwell. At first, when Brohm went down, everybody just thought that they had another great prospect waiting in the wings. And then we find out that it was just a good offensive system and both were overrated prospects. I also got tired of waiting for Pike to throw more than a handful of fastballs per game. I kept thinking that number would go up and maybe it will as he prepares for the NFL during senior bowl practices and at the combine, but until he proves that he can actually use his natural arm strength, he’s a mid rounder for me.
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by kaisertown on Nov 25, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skinny? Maybe, but he isn't a 1st round QB for a reason
The kid is 6’6 and weighs 225 lbs. Do fat QBs like Russell play better? What did the scouting reports on Tom Brady say? There is more to it than that. The kid needs to spend a year or two in an NFL strength program. Didn’t Joe Montana have a “weak” arm? I like his intangibles (see walterfootball link below). He is not my first choice, but someone who I think would be a good value in the 2nd round. Like Brian says, that could change as the years goes on and depending on how he does at the Senior Bowl. Who would you take, if you were the Bills picking a QB in the 2nd round?
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010tpike.php
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=79585&draftyear=2010&genpos=qb
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2232
I think Polian must have put a curse on the Bills when he left. Anyone know where we can get a live Buffalo to sacrifice on the 50 yards line? Or, maybe we should use a Dolphin ??? Preferably, Nick Buoniconti
by Joe P. on Nov 25, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
1A: Clausen or Bradford
1B (trade 2nd and 3rd): OT (Bulaga or Brown)
Both positions are top needs. Bulaga may be available around 20, and Brown will be available in the trade up range we’d be looking at. The QB’s will be gone by then.
Atlanta did this very same thing with Matt Ryan and Sam Baker in 2008.
by Der Jaeger on Nov 25, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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