Thoughts on Stanford vs Notre Dame Game.
JIM HARBAUGH
This guy is ready for the NFL, if we can't get Shanahan or Cowher, I WANT HARBAUGH.
He is gutsy, he is smart, he has turned around this program, I love his hard nosed style.
How gutsy was the call of the pass from Gerhart for the tying TD?
If we have to go with an unproven NFL coach, I WANT HARBAUGH!
JIMMY CLAUSEN
How overrated is this guy from the press that comes with playing at Notre Dame? ALOT!
How many times did we see overthrown or underthrown balls, PLENTY!
His stats can be attributed to his wide receivers talents, not Clausen's.
Clausen will be a bust, just like Brady Quinn in the NFL.
I'll take Jake Locker anyday over Clausen.
Locker has zero for talent around him, and still beat USC.
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Clausen is overrated, I agree. Good thing the Browns are probably gonna pick him :D
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
No doubt.
I think Locker is the one for the Bills.
I have been watching film on him and am very impressed. He’s made progress with each year, he is fast, and has incredible football instinct. He is so elusive, and this year is doing a better job of looking downfield when extending the play.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 29, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but I’m 100% sure that Clausen and Locker are going to the Browns and Rams respectively unless the Rams are REALLY enthralled with Bradford or Tebow or something.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Nov 29, 2009 4:54 AM EST up reply actions
I still think there is a chance that the Browns give Quinn another year. I know all the arguments for why they wouldn’t, but if he continues to play well throughout December, things could go that way. Everyone root for him. (Heck, if he plays just well enough to boost the Browns past us in the standings that would do the trick, too!)
Not at all.
I like people who perform above expectations.
Locker has zero talent around him and has excelled by making plays on his own.
Harbaugh took a floundering Stanford program and turned it around, I really like how he has the running game going and isn’t some pass happy spread guy like most QB’s who become HCs are, he is running an NFL style smashmouth offense.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 29, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
I think Harbaugh.....
Is the offensive version of Cowher.
Put a mustache on captain comeback and he even looks like a young Cowher.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 29, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
I forgot about his nickname
Imagine Captain Comeback coaching the team with the greatest comeback in NFL history and one of the best in sports history???
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I wonder how Jim Kelly would feel about Harbaugh
Didn’t they get in a fight after a game when Kelly was retired?
by The Irishman on Nov 29, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Harbaugh broke his hand on Kelly’s jaw after not being able to take some criticism. But if JK is ok with the hire, it’s cool with me.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Nov 29, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions
It shouldn't matter if Kelly is ok with the hire
he’s not the one making any decisions for this team
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well, I was thinking more about what I hope for if/when Ralph moves on, but yes, you’re right.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Nov 29, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn’t agree more; I’ve been actively advocating for Jake Locker since the start of November and I really believe this kid will turn out to be the best QB of them all. Unfortunately, we’d better hope that a team like the Rams rather want, say, Jimmy Clausen over him and that the Browns don’t have the patience to deal with another first-round QB after Quinn. We’ll see
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Nov 29, 2009 3:54 AM EST reply actions
Really? I thought Clausen was awesome.
I’ll be blunt. I think the argument that Clausen is overhyped because he plays for Notre Dame is completely crazy and doesn’t make any sense at all. Did I just wake up and it’s 1990 when people still thought Notre Dame was any good? What hype? Florida gets tons of hype, Texas gets tons of hype, Oklahoma gets tons of hype, aren’t all those QBs getting more school based hype than Clausen and Notre Dame? Don’t more people hate Notre Dame (and I’ll guess you’re one of them), then think that they’re a team loaded with talent? This is the internet age where every decent team plays 5 games on some ESPN channel, every player gets dissected by hundreds of wanna be internet scouts and then those dissections get read by a thousand people each. These aren’t the days where everybody watches and cheers for Notre Dame because they always play on NBC and that’s the only game that’s on. The huge majority of Notre Dame fans are in their 40s or older because of that whole NBC thing and it doesn’t seem like there are many Notre Dame fans hanging around on this Bills blog. Nobody cares that Jimmy Clausen plays at Notre Dame.
I find it to be humorous that the people who don’t like Clausen all use Notre Dame as a reason why and then every person who does think highly of him never mentions Notre Dame as a reason. Hmmmm……
I also love the argument that Clausen is hyped because he plays at Notre Dame and he’s also surrounded by this amazing talent. Wouldn’t logic dictate that the surrounding talent is also hyped because they play at Notre Dame? Or that none of them are particularly overhyped at all?
Here’s the argument I always use: the NFL doesn’t overhype players because of schools. If we go back and look at all the players drafted out of Notre Dame over the last five or ten years, not only do you see very few overrated players, it reads like a list of the NFLs best franchises finding steals in the middle rounds. The NFL doesn’t overhype Notre Dame guys and the NFL thinks (more like will think) that Jimmy Clausen is a top five pick.
And Brady Quinn is about as relevant to the discussion about Clausen as Vince Young is when we’re talking about Colt McCoy. He’s the QB who played before him and it doesn’t mean anything. People compared Aaron Rodgers to Kyle Boller because they played back to back at Cal.
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I watched about five minutes of the game but I liked what I saw from Clausen. I like his arm. I like his attitude. And with his coach leaving he’d be silly to not declare.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 29, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Stanford's DB's are atrocious......
and ND has probably the best Duo in all of FBS in Floyd and Tate…….hold off your man crush for a bit.
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 29, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I also thought Clausen looked very good
I thought he had much better zip on sideline passes than I’ve seen when watching him on and off this year. He throws a very nice deep ball even if he gets a little too much air under it at times. He did a nice job of going through reads and hitting open receivers (mostly Tate), which is exactly what he needs to do. Tate had mismatches all night and Clausen kept getting him the ball time and time again.
I’m not sure how he could have looked so overrated last night. He completed 77% of his passes, had 11.3 yards per attempt, threw 5 TD’s. If his OL had blocked on the final drive, he probably throws a 6th TD.
Golden Tate looks like an awesome prospect because I think he can play the slot or on the outside, and his after the catch ability is much better than usual WR prospects. His size is a little bit of an issue being 5’10" or so, but he’s strong, has great hands and simply makes plays. With Clausen (and Weis) headed out, I’m sure Tate will join them in the NFL. It’s too bad he’s a first round talent since we won’t be able to add a player of his ability.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Some mock drafts have Tate slipping to the 2nd rd and we could be picking early there. Whoever takes Clausen ahead of us (St Louis or Cleveland) should probably take Tate in the 2nd rd. (Well, come to think of it, St Louis is ok at WR so they might not…) I agree he is amazing. Would love to see him on our team.
I think Clausen is a bust all the way.
His receivers make him, in the NFL,he will get alot of balls batted away. He can’t hit the money in stride throw.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 30, 2009 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
I agree on almost everything you stated, except:
I think the NFL (albeit indirectly) does everything possible to overhype the “U.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 30, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Contradiction
I totally agree with you kaiser. You can’t say that Clausen is over-hyped while everyone is arguing that Notre Dame is not even an elite team or institution anymore. It’s one or the other, or neither in my mind. I think every good QB is over-hyped to an extent. Sure Tate and Floyd are great, but Clausen also has turned Robby Paris and Duval Kamara into damn good receivers and they don’t have near the talent that Floyd and Tate have. Everyone here bashes Trent for never getting the ball to his playmakers, and Clausen is a guy who does the opposite. You can’t blame him for having great weapons. He gets them the ball because they always catch it and therefore make him look good. Isn’t that what we want from a QB?
The argument that Stanford’s DBs are atrocious doesn’t really matter if he doesn’t exploit them right? People are talking about Gerhardt for Heisman after the way he ran all over a bad ND rushing defense. What’s the difference there?
People also fail to recognize some of the NFL all-pros who came out of Notre Dame that they’d never heard of because they have fallen off the radar over the last few years. Anyone know of Justin Tuck or Ryan Grant? They weren’t over-hyped because they went to ND. In fact, it was the opposite. They were over-looked because ND was not great when they were there.
B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"
I've been trying to push Harbaugh for over a year....and now you people are finally starting to see........
Pass the chocolate cake!
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 29, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions
I'm onboard.
I would very much like Jim Harbaugh to be our next HC if we can’t lure Shanahan, or Cowher.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 30, 2009 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
same here he is awesome
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by TheAutumnWind on Nov 30, 2009 7:02 AM EST up reply actions
The Gerhart throw
was about as gutsy as the Fred Jackson throw or the Moorman throw to a DL, Ryan Denney.
If we are not going to go with Edwards then we have to make the case that whoever we draft is a significant improvement over Edwards and has a higher ceiling. Edwards will be fine as a solid NFL QB under the right circumstances. The main problems Edwards detractors have is his conservatism (which is a matter of style not talent), his deep ball, and short slants. Unless a new young QB can definitively show that they can throw a beautiful slant and show zip and touch on the deep ball, they aren’t a better option than Edwards.
I like Clausen but his deep balls are not even close to good strength. Any NFL caliber DB will eat his arm for lunch. Also, he did not seem accurate on the deep balls.
Harbaugh would be a good NFL coach like Cohwer. One thing to remember about Cowher is that he had some up and down years, especially a string of down years. But he had a patient owner and fan base. One thing we’ve shown that we are not is patient. If Harbaugh cannot get it done in three years, he would be gone the way of Mularkey and Philips.
I do have to say, I will take Gerhart any day. I say we draft him and put him in the FB position so that we have a true offensive threat to run or catch the ball but who can also block and that’ll make some things happen.
Clausen looked great yesterday
My only concern is I do not think there is alot of upside with him. I think talent wise he has already peekd. He has been coached from a young age by some QB guru on the west coast, then was coached by Weis who is one of the best QB coaches. normally, that is a good thing. In this case, I just have a gut feeling that we are seeing the peek of Clausen. Now anyone who has read any of my posts know I am a huge Locker and Bradford fan. Saying that, I was extremely impressed by Tony Pike yesterday. His poise in the pocket, his arm strength(much stronger than I thought), his timing on his throws, and his leadership were great. We could definitely get him in the second round. hat would give us the abilitly to get a top ten stud on one of the lines.
Tate looked good
I know Buffalo doesnt need him but he reminds me of Lee Evans. Regardless of when he gets drafted i think he will be a stud in the league.
Why doesn't Buffalo need a WR?
They’re going to have Evans, Hardy, Johnson and….who next year? TO more than likely won’t be back. Parrish won’t be back and shouldn’t factor into the WR position anyhow. Reed is 50/50 to be re-signed depending on the new staff.
We will probably need a veteran receiver because this team can’t rely on Hardy or Johnson being ready to start and play a lot, unfortunately. We do need more than 1 WR heading into next season, so I think it’s a pretty big need. Obviously, we have much bigger needs though.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Pretty sure Reed signed an extension but im not 100%. I do think TO will stay around depending on who the coach is. Plus this is one of the few positions on the team that while an upgrade would be nice, its pretty good with the pieces that we have.
by Brennan McCoy on Nov 29, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Reed is a UFA after this season.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 30, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Why doesn’t Buffalo need a WR?
because we need linemen first. yes we need a WR – but we need the lines first – so hopefully we are drafting a QB and linemen with our first 3/4 picks.
a veteran WR might be a good idea in FA – but i’m not picking one in the draft early unless BPA is too good to pass up
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by J2 on Nov 30, 2009 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
How can you so conveniently forget CJ Hawthorne and Justin Jenkins???? LOL
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 30, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Are you serious?
What game were you watching last night? Clausen was outstanding as usual. If anything, there is a backlash against Notre Dame in the press and to call Clausen “overrated” based on the game last night is absolutely asinine. Buffalo would be lucky to get such a prospect at a need position.
If he is so great?
Why do his receivers always have to slow up to make a play on the ball rather than clausen hitting them in stride?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 30, 2009 4:20 AM EST reply actions
Harbaugh
The guy has one good season and all of the sudden he is not only the best college coach available but a sure-fire NFL coaching dynamo? Seems odd to me
B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"
Its not one good season........
He inherited a team that went 1-10 in 2005….and he has improved each year in wins and recruiting classes………He has proved he can take a team like Stanford (which, face it, is a yearly doormat in the Pac-10 and across the nation) and he’s taking a school full of future Lawyers and CEO’s and turned them into a legitimate football program in less than 3 years. He has succeeded where many others have failed miserably……
He is the only coach in the last 5 years to beat USC at the Colliseum…..not once, but TWICE…..
Now thats saying something my friend.
I could also mention he won League Titles in back to back years (his 2nd and 3rd years there) with University of San Diego (another Academic school)
The man has proven he is a winner and a program builder…..
Just because you have only just heard about the guy being successful this year, doesnt make it so.
Gimme Fewell, play with Fire, gimme that "W" I desire.....
by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions
I still don’t see why that makes him an NFL coach. Building college programs with good recruiting and discipline does not translate into NFL success.
B-B-B-Byrd Byrd Byrd, Byrd is the Wyrd!"
It shows that he can turn a disaster situation into something worth rooting for......
I dont know if he could be a great NFL coach either…..but there is no other proving ground for HC that closes resembles the NFL than being a HC of a major college program.
I’d take a proven College HC over a proven NFL Co-ordinator anyday……..because a HC has to be an overall manager………while a DC or OC could just darn good a drafting up a “gameplan” (See Charlie Weis.)
Gimme Fewell, play with Fire, gimme that "W" I desire.....
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 1, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know if he will be a great NFL coach either,
But if we can’t get Shanahan or Cowher.
He’s the on;y one i’m willing to Roll the Dice on.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 2, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions

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