Looking at all QB Options
by WagonCircler12 on Nov 29, 2009 1:04 AM EST
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PrintI've never posted on pretty much any website. However, with a completely critical time for the Bills, I find myself needing to express my opinions with more than my usual friends. I think every possibilty needs to be explored for the QB situation in 2010, and that includes possible trades. I think it is a necessity to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds, but I'm not certain that he will have to play right away. Let's look at the possiblities.
Daunte Culpepper---definetely has lost a step or two, and really was made by the receivers he had in Minnesota. Not a good option
Marc Bulger--Other sites are reporting that he can be had for a mid round draft pick. Not the strongest arm, or the most durable anymore. A decent option though as he is a veteran who has winning experience.
Matt Hasselback--another QB who is said to be possible to trade a mid round pick for. When healthy, a top 15 QB. Been to a super bowl. Great intangibles and has showed can play in cold weather. A very good option
Trent Edwards/Ryan Fitzpatrick--1 of these guys will stay, but needs to be a backup. I dread another year of this.
Brian Brohm--This was a potential #1 overall pick. He is obviously an unknown commodity at this point. I hope the bills give him a start or 2 or 4 this december. An unknown option.
Kyle Orton--He is a proven leader and a winner, but unsure if he will hit free agency this year. If he does, should be someone the Bills immediately look at.
Mike Vick--Does any Bills fan really feel like this would be a good fit? He has been a rumor to Buffalo twice now, but I can't see him succeding here.
I feel Hasselback is the best option out there in my opinion. He gives us winning experience while giving us time to develop a rookie QB. I know that Marshawn is a possibility to be traded this offseason. If we got a 3rd rounder for Lynch, we could turn around and trade that pick for Hasselback. Another possiblity is maybe trying a trade for Donavon McNabb. All 3 Eagles QBs have contracts that expire after 2011. They have Kevin Kolb, who looks ready to be a starter. I don't think the Eagles would trade McNabb, but you never know. That's all I got, but Let's Go Bills!
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is Hasselbeck really up for trade?
I havent heard anything indicating that he is. But if you are right I would LOVE to trade a mid round pick for him. I would send a third rounder for three years of Hasselbeck’s services in a heartbeat. Would allow us to groom a youngster behind a Pro Bowl QB with a ton of playoff experience and who has been to a Super Bowl. Then we would havea youngster ready to go like Aaron Rodgers was.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 30, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Kolb is the only free agent QB I’d like to see. He’s been just productive enough where most of the league thinks he’s not that good. What a steal it would be, I’d offer as high as a second round pick. This guy is worth it. If we can’t get him, I think we have to go for the draft. I mean, as much as it sucks to bring up a franchise QB through the draft, it is the only stable way to have a long term quarterback solution.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
And even then it's a fair bet
That Philly won’t let Kolb go. I say we prepare for the draft.
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i would not take a second string philly qb. Their track record is not great or even good as starters
I would take Kolb
When he filled in this year, he really seemed to get it, I doubt Philly would let him go, but if we had the chance, I would take him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 30, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Nice first post. Rec’d for that.
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A couple of other former first rounders who will be available are David Carr and Kyle Boller. I also wonder if Kelley Clemons might be available.
Whoever it is, it is vital we have a top LT to guard their blindside.
Looking at the senior and juniors potentially available in 2011, they look better than this year so maybe we should look at Okung, Bulaga or Campbell with our R1 pick
Spare me please...
Enough of the retreads, other teams’ undesirables. The guys you list are either washed up, or won’t be available.
We need a leader. We need toughness at the position. We need a winner.
Tim Tebow.
Pennington would be a fine mentor for a year…or less.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
TIM TEBOW! YES!
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Who says Bulger and Hasselbeck are available????
I don’t see too many teams trading for those contracts, especially Bulger’s. Bulger is owed $8.5M in 2010, $9M in 2011-2012 and $11.5M in 2013. Yikes.
Why would Seattle get rid of Hasselbeck anyways? Assuming they want to draft a young QB, why wouldn’t he be there veteran option until the kid is ready?
Brohm is not worth a start or 2 or 4 in December. Maybe they’ll give him a few snaps, but that guy is so far from being an NFL starting QB at this point.
~K
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cnnsi.com had a couple of articles about how both could be traded for. And the seahawks have seneca wallace who could play for a year or two while they groom someone else
by WagonCircler12 on Nov 29, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
why wouldn’t brohm be worth at least one start. This team is not making the playoffs, and we need to know everything about what we have a QB right now. Now, Fitzpatrick is playing some solid football and providing a spark, but the team needs to know what Brohm’s ability is, even if it garbage.
by WagonCircler12 on Nov 29, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe because he isn't ready?
He has looked terrible, absolutely terrible, during the preseason in GB.
What exactly is one start going to say about Brohm anyhow? If he’s terrible, it doesn’t mean he can’t develop into a better player down the line, and vice versa. You can’t just throw some young QB out there for a game and make a decision about his future.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yeah, you’re not learning anything about Brohm by giving him a week or two worth of practice and throwing him out there with an offense and personel that he isn’t that familiar with. Young QBs take an entire offseason worth of practice and then still play poorly. You’re probably doing more harm than good by forcing into action a 24 year old who has had zero success in the 2nd half of preseason games while playing in an offense he’s actually familiar with. Baby steps.
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I want to see Brohm next summer. Fitzpatrick gives the offense the best opportunity to make plays, so there’s no reason to begin a new experiment yet.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 30, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Without the cap he will be a ERFA. So if Baltimore offers him chump change nobody else can sign him.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 30, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Build the O line......and the D line.....
No trades for QBs.
No trading Lynch.
Build inside out.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Nov 29, 2009 11:29 PM EST reply actions
My Thoughts,,,,,,,
Exactly.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 2, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions
I like
going into the season with fitz and brohm we need to fix alot of things and fitz is good enough to win games if he had a strong O-line and a strong defense.
We have a solid run game and might need to replace T.O
If a guy like Pike falls to us in the second then grab it and give him time to develope before making him play. if not get a QB next year there is no point forcing a QB when we have other neds that wouldf make what we have at that position better
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This option is the one I least like.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 30, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the Bills need to make QB a (preferably the) priority. It doesn’t meant they need to reach for one, but they do need to address the position aggressively. Whether that’s grabbing the best QB they can in the first or second or trading up somewhere to get the guy they want, they need to do it this offseason. This team isn’t going anywhere without a QB and the young guys need time. Who cares how good the team is next year if they don’t have a QB of the future on the roster and why is it a problem to find that QB this year and let him sit on the bench while the rest of the team is built around him. Find a QB and then build around him and not vice versa.
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what makes any of the QB's in this years draft better option than Brohm?
he was a 2nd round pick had loads of potential and still does.
He never had a real shot in GB and has a new chance here. Taking a chance on Brohm is no greater that taking a shot on a QB in the upcoming draft, just costs alot less.
We dont have a second round OL or LB sitting around we neewd these things first.
With a few less O-line mistakes and a few handled punts and we are 6 – 5 maybe 7 – 4 Who knows if we had played Fitz all year
Im just saying i dont think taking the best QB available in the draft is the answer
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what makes any of the QB’s in this years draft better option than Brohm?
First – Brohm has to this point shown nothing that would lead me to think he can be a starting quarterback in the league. I’d like to emphasize the “to this point” part. If he shows me something I’d be OK keeping him around.
Second – What is the big problem with bringing in another guy to start and teach Brohm if you’re committed to him? Pennington mentored Henne. What’s wrong with bringing him in for a year?
We dont have a second round OL or LB sitting around we neewd these things first.
We have developmental OL players. Just cause Meredith or Bell weren’t drafted early don’t make them legit developmental offensive linemen. Plus now you’re talking about drafting for need and that’s not what I want to see in Buffalo. We don’t have one hole or two holes. We’ve got lots and they should take the best player available.
Im just saying i dont think taking the best QB available in the draft is the answer
I’m not naive enough to think there is an answer. I don’t think Brohm or Pennington or a first round QB are the answer because all of those have failed. There is no surefire way to do it. Which is why I am advocating for taking two or three routes to try and hit one.
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by MattRichWarren on Nov 30, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
what makes any of the QB’s in this years draft better option than Brohm?
None of this year’s QBs have lost their backup job to Matt Flynn while posting terrible numbers in the second half of preseason games. Brohm’s preseason numbers read 58 of 104 for 455 yards (4.4 yards per attempt), zero TDs and four INTs. He’s been sacked nine times, fumbled four times and lost three of those fumbles. How often do second round QBs get cut after one season? Obviously, Brohm has been pretty unimpressive in practice as well. That’s why the top QBs in this draft are a much, much better option than Brohm.
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Pre-season...
any one of those QB’s are going to face the same growing pains as NFL players
I am not sold on Brohm but I’m not sold on any of the rookie prospects either
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Jake Locker
This guy is faster than Elway, has awesome mechanics, I WANT HIM!
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 2, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions
I gurantee every Bills fan
Will wish we drafted Locker if he goes to some other team if we pass on him.
I usually don’t go out on a limb like this.
This is how I am sure of his talent, and how much he is what we need.
Let Time decide who was right.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 2, 2009 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen any mock drafts...
That have Locker falling out of the top 5. To get him the Bills would most likely have to trade up.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 2, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
There are a bunch here: http://www.walterfootball.com/draftdata.php
But there’s 110 mock drafts there. They list the top 5 picks for each.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 2, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Chris Redman
I advocated trading for him in preseason (Roscoe and a pick) and everyone laughed.
Look what he did yesterday after taking over for Matt Ryan, a last 2nd drive to win vs TB.
Especially if we keep Brohm as potential QB of future as both are Louisville guys.
Look what Trent Edwards did against the Bucs
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
What's your thoughts on Locker?
Am i nuts Kurupt? Or is this the guy that will bring Shanahan here if he is on our team?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 2, 2009 4:51 AM EST up reply actions
Meh
Fantastic physical gifts, but I’m not a huge fan. I don’t like inaccurate college quarterbacks. I think he needs a lot of coaching and repetition, although the talent is definitely there. I would definitely take him for this team, but I like Clausen and maybe Bradford better.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
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