Watch Tebow

Is there anyone here who actually WANTS Tebust?

Jim Kelly

but just as i have said that I believe he will be, can you give me some evidence that says he will not be a bust, and please tell me wat the definition of non-bust is?

I see Tebow as an interesting prospect, but I definitely don’t see him as a top 10 pick, where Buffalo will be drafting. To me, he’s a second round QB who you take for upside, but can’t 100% count on to become a starting NFL QB. The anti-Tebow fans out there are a off base, but he’s probably not the best fit for Buffalo with the QB situation being fairly dire.

The same people who said Hansborough will be an NBA bust are the same saying Tebow will be an NFL bust….both wrong

because we need to discuss this guy more than hes a leader or hes a bust. Here’s my rebuttal to your good post:

Something that often gets overlooked about Tim Tebow is that he does have good NFL size for a QB. Matt Hasselbeck is 6’4 225 lbs as a point of comparison to Tim Tebow’s 6’3 240 lbs. If you add his bulk and muscular build you have a dynamic build for a QB prospect at the next level. A big guy who can take a beating and who possess strength and height.

I don’t know where you get the idea that Tim Tebow does not have an “Average NFL Arm” as you put it, because go watch his games and you will find that statement to be misleading. If you are talking about accuracy I can see it, but his arm strength is pretty good. Not only can Tebow make the deep throws he’s been able to consistently put bombs on the money and where they need to be. Where Tebow struggles with accuracy in my opinion is more on his shorter and medium throws. I think he has good arm strength and good accuracy on his long ball. Its the Trent Edwards type throws that I don’t think he excels at.

Put on some film of Tebow and just watch one of the things I really love about him as an NFL prospect – his pocket presence. Peyton Manning is extremely immobile but hes dangerous because inexplicably he can sense a pass rusher closing in behind him that he cant even see and side steps him, giving him that extra second or two to allow his receiver to get open and deliver the ball. Tebow has great pocket presence. Its like he can sense where the pressure is coming from and how to move in the pocket to buy time. This is a great NFL quality in my book. A negative attribute you often see about Tebow in scouting reports is poor footwork but I just don’t see it.

As a runner Tebow could be a great dual threat at the next level. Think a Mike Vick but with power running instead of finesse. The guy is a trucker pure and simple and can grind out tough yards. I’ve heard people say that the competition he will be facing at the pro level won’t be your average college defender so he won’t be able to bowl people over and extert his physical dominance like he does in college. To me this is a bogus claim because if that was the case you could say that every single running back or offensive lineman or defensive tackle can’t exert their physical dominance at the pro level because the guys in the NFL are faster and stronger than thier college competition. That means nothing. NFL players come from college players, if you are one of hte most punishing guys at the college level it means you have the physicality to use it in the NFL.

Finally, there is of course his leadership, intangibles, coachability and work ethic. Whenever the guy talks he beams pride about the ability to get teammates involved in a win, the joy he takes just from being around his teammates and how much winning is a team effort, and its all sincere. The guy is a leader personality wise and his hustle and grit on the field will inspire the players around him to go 110%, the kind of stuff we love in Buffalo, and the kind of stuff that enables teams to close out games and win big ones. Tebow also plays his best in big games as his performance this weekend, in a game that meant a lot to him, demonstrated.

Does Tebow have flaws. Most certaintly. His throwing mechanics are horrendous, he doesnt play in a pro style offense, and he seems quick to tuck the ball in and run but those are flaws which can be fixed with coaching and if there is one thing Tebow is its coachable.

I’m also a firm believer in production and Tebow has over 80 TDs to less than 20 picks. He’s also rushed for 50+ TDs with 10,000+ total yards throughout his career.

A guy with question marks but a guy I’d rather have the Bills trade up into the latter parts of the 1st round to draft. Because that would mean we could pick up Russell Okung or Gerald McCoy/Suh with our first pick.

Does Tebow have flaws. Most certaintly. His throwing mechanics are horrendous, he doesnt play in a pro style offense, and he seems quick to tuck the ball in and run but those are flaws which can be fixed with coaching and if there is one thing Tebow is its coachable.

There’s a reason there are coaches at the NFL level, Flaws. If the guys were perfect, there would be no need for a coach. However, there’s one thing you cannot coach. Leadership. The guy is a proven leader. Why wouldn’t you want him at the helm??

The fact is that nobody will know until he comes to the NFL and gets on the field. I think he has earned that opportunity and his likely draft position makes him less risky than a top-ten, first round QB.

Tebow sucks because he plays in an offense that isn’t suited for the NFL, but we should also knock him for only throwing for 170yds/game? As you said, he doesn’t throw that much in his non-NFL system. Not every QB plays in a pro system in college. In fact, most do not. That doesn’t mean he can’t be good in the NFL

The QB from Arkansas impressed the hell out of me this weekend. Don’t recall his name, but makes all of the throws and is 6’7".

For QB?

Max Hall from BYU. He’s got decent size,a great arm and all kinds of swagger. His uncles Danny White the former Cowboys QB so he’s got that NFL bloodline. And he’s a gunslinger. Not like a JP Losman gunslinger more like a Drew Brees type. Anyhow Im amazed i dont see more Bills fans talking about him.

Good find,

Max Hall may be a prospect worth considering, I really like the film i just watched.

I have been one of the guys against Tebow. It mainly stems from the fact that I don’t think he is worth Buffalo’s first round pick. If they drafted him in the second round 40th overall I would think it was a good pick, especially with a vet signing like a Pennington. I disagree with poz in his statement about translating from college to the pros. We’re not talking about a running back bowling people over. It’s a QB here. Ben Roethlisberger doesn’t bowl people over and he’s listed at 240 lbs. like Tebow. From what I have seen, and it’s very limited on Tebow and every other college QB, he uses his bulk before his head on run plays. That’s won’t fly in the NFL. He won’t be able to run rough shot over NFL LBs. Running backs are built to handle that kind of pounding and train for it. Tebow will have to work on a lot of other mechanical stuff first before he can worry about how to run and take a hit. I’d be excited and leery if the Bills drafted him but that’s my take.