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Spread Offense and QBs


I am having a hard time understanding the prevailing thought that a spread offense QB is not a good fit in the NFL because it isn't a "pro-style" offense.  My thought is why hasn't a coach tried to implement the spread or a version of it into the NFL.  Defenses make changes all the time whether it is a 46 that was "revolutionary" at the time, or the "Tampa 2", or the Pittsburgh "Zone-blitz".  Now there are variations to all these schemes.

I understand that using the option part of the spread offense is dangerous to the investment in your QB but there are still ways around it.  Mizzou used the spread the last couple years with Chase Daniels and he did not run very much.  I just think that if someone could utilize some of the principles of the spread offense in the NFL then you could get a jump on others much the same way Miami did with the Wildcat.

If this could be done then there would be a plethora of QBs that might be useful next year and beyond as more and more CFB teams move to the spread offense.  Anyway, any insight on this topic would be interesting to see and debate as we talk about next year.  Thanks for dealing with a first time poster.

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Welcome to the club! Nice first post.......

I think its not so much about having your QB running as it is just opening him up to more “shots” from defenders……….Defensive players are taught from pee wee on to take all free shots at “running QB’s” you can get…….

The Spread Zone Read is great as a wrinkle…….just like the Wildcat is…….but I dont think the NFL with the size and speed of defensive players will be going to that type of offense like the College game does anytime soon.

Pass the chocolate cake!

by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 29, 2009 7:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Their are many types of spreads

Pats run their version of it to perfection.

by Brennan McCoy on Nov 29, 2009 7:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I posted some thoughts similar to this recently in another thread. I will just cut and paste them here as they touch on some of the things you have mentioned.

I agree that spread offense guys "have proven" to be disasterous in the pros, I think its over-stating it to say "it’s very simple, pro style offense QBs in college make good pros QBs". It’s not that simple at all. There are no hard and fast rules or laws about how this works. If a team ran a spread correctly at the pro level, a spread college QB would be much more likely to succeed in it. Nobody used the wildcat until Miami had the nerve to try it and now everyone uses it. The NFL’s standard offensive philosophy has changed many times over the years, and it will change again. Let’s face it, many of the best high school athletes are being recruited into spread programs. The NFL risks losing a lot by writing them all off and only seriously considering the dwindling few who played in Pro style systems.

by Scott_P on Nov 29, 2009 7:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry if I didn’t pay attention to your previous posts but we do in fact seem to have similar thoughts. The way I see things and correct me if I am wrong , is that Indy seems to run the closest thing to a spread offense and they seem to be quite effective in doing it. I agree that it is wrong to some degree to assume these players cant play effectively in the NFL. One name the keeps creeping in my mind is Dan Lefevour from CMU. He seems to have similar attributes to Tebow in leadership qualities and intangibles, as well as being used to playing in cold weather.
I guess what got me thinking about all this was finding a decent prospect in rounds 2-4. I fear all the busts at QB that have crippled franchises for years. Other positions seem to be less devastating when they don’t realize their supposed potential but QB ssems to be devastating to an organization when wrong.

by audthoughts on Nov 29, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No worries, it was buried in another thread. That’s why I reposted it here. I like Lefevour too. I think a QB in the 2nd rd can be a great move. Once you get into the 3rd rd and on though, you are just taking a flyer on a guy and you better not expect anything from him. With the way Fitz played today, I am actually changing my mind about what I want to see in the 2010 draft. I’d like to see us stick with him next year and go ahead and look for a development QB in another rd. Lefevour would fit that plan well.

by Scott_P on Nov 29, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Today is the exception, not the rule, with Fitz. If we’re going to train up a new guy we’d need to get a better Vet option than Fitz like Noodle Arm or McNabb or something.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Nov 29, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Shoot if we braught in McNabb I would forgo drafting a QB altogether this year!

Captain of the "Promote Bob Sanders to Deffensive Coordinator" band wagon.

by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 29, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eh, he’s getting old, so I’d still draft a new guy for McNabb to groom

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Nov 30, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would too, next year.

With McNabb on board Qb could wait another year. We have a lot of wholes to fill on our roster and we could deffinatly use that first, second, third, or even forth round pick on something else then a QB.

by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 30, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It should be noted...

…that of the 25 “modern-era” quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame, only nine were selected in the first or second round (Dawson, Griese, Marino, Bradshaw, Elway, Layne, Namath, Aikman and Kelly).

Third Round – Fouts, Montana, Tarkenton
Fourth Round – Jurgensen, van Brocklin
Fifth Round – Waterfield
Ninth Round or lower – Unitas (9), Staubach (10), Starr (17), Young (supplemental draft)

Blanda and Tittle were in the pre-draft era. Graham was in a unique situation because of the war and then he played in the NBA for a while before going to play football.

Warren Moon went undrafted and played in the CFL.

The three top quarterbacks in the league today were selected in the first round (P Manning), second round (Brees) and sixth round (Brady).

"I could have conquered Europe, all of it, but I had women in my life." - King Henry II of England

by Calvert on Nov 29, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the drafted were held today, Brees would be a first rounder (32 overall).

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 2, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are three things that worry me about the college spread when it comes to playing in the NFL.

1. Running the QB that often would get a lot of these college “studs” killed in the NFL. The average NFL starting D-lineman and LB is 20 heavier (thanks to pro training staffs) and MUCH faster then they are in college. I think that the vast majority of college spread offence QB’s will get killed if they play the same way in the NFL.

2. Generally speaking spread offence QB’s are horribly inaccurate when it comes to mid and long distance throws. You can get away with that in college, but the NFL isn’t college. A team with good DB’s would have a feild day intercepting passes in a spread offence. Heck even our DB’s could average 4 INTs per game against a spread offence.

3. Spread offence Qb’s are generally not thought how to go threw their reads. Take Tim Tebow for example, if his first guy is open, great. But if his primary is coverd, 40% of the time he`ll check he’s second target, but the other 60% of the time he takes off running with it. That means that your running an offence with a QB run first mentality. Now if that didn’t work with Mike Vick, I don’t see it working with anyone else.

Now I’m not against bringing certain elements of the spread to the NFL, as some teams run it beautifully (look at the Pats’ version). Heck I think that we even have the necessary elements to run a good spread with the Bills (great deep threat in Evans, good spread TE in Nelson) and we it could be successfull with the right QB. But just like the Dolphins with the Wildcat, we CANNOT depend on the spread as our primary offensive scheme.

My worry is that drafting a spread offense QB would mean bringing in a spread offense scheme as our primary scheme while said QB develops his skills. That would bring desasterous results in my mind, exactly for the 3 reasons that i stated above.

Captain of the "Promote Bob Sanders to Deffensive Coordinator" band wagon.

by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 29, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nice post, but lets get down to it. Many a Pro style QB has busted too.

Is there any real data about QB success in the NFL that relates to spread vs “Pro Style” offense? I don’t it think there is any significant data because there are so many variables. How good is the team around the QB? How quick does the QB pick up the offense at the NFL level. How complicated is that system? How good is the coaching staff. Sometimes it takes QBs time to “get it” (see Drew Brees and Vince Young). Sometimes QBs are ruined by throwing them into the fire to soon (see JP and Trent).

Point 1 I agree with. Points 2 and 3 seem to assume that spread QBs somehow can’t learn and be effective in a Pro system. I don’t care if a QB has been successful in a spread offense or a Pro Style offense. I want a QB with the mental makeup and the physical tools to be an NFL starting QB. Beyond that…..role the dice and take your chances.

I think Polian must have put a curse on the Bills when he left. Anyone know where we can get a live Buffalo to sacrifice on the 50 yards line? Or, maybe we should use a Dolphin ??? Preferably, Nick Buoniconti

by Joe P. on Nov 29, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Points 2 and 3 seem to assume that spread QBs somehow can’t learn and be effective in a Pro system

If that the impression that you got, I assure you that it was not the impression that I was tying to give. I do think that spread offence QB’s can learn the roaps. I have no doubt that both Tebow and Bradford wil be stars in the NFL… eventually.

Problem is that we need a QB that can be successfull NOW. And i know that its rediculous for us to expect to find a Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco in this draft. But I’d still rather we draft a QB that can step in as fast as possible, and that is not a spread offense QB in my mind.

by CanadianBillsFan on Nov 30, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

See, this is the problem with arguing against Spread Offense QB’s.

The inevitable answer from the other guy is “WELL NOBODY IS A 100% LOCK TO BE GOOD SO THERE”.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Nov 30, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, then come up with a more convincing argument :-)

"Jets crash and burn as Fewell's Bills expode offensively " - So let it be written...so let it be done.

by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right on and I grant that the QB running in that offense is not ideal by any stretch. What I am thinking about is that the trend in college is towards a spread offense but that has not, up to this point been a good thing for these kids in the NFL. I would think there would be a way to facilitate their development in the NFL.
 Alot of these kids can play football but need teams to take advantage of their skills. Even QBs in a traditional offense that come into the league are “given” 2-3 years to develop, why is there no way to grrom these spread QBs as well. There just seems to be a lag time as the NFL figures out a way to take advantage of these players skills and integrate them into the NFL.

by audthoughts on Nov 29, 2009 10:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Certain elements of the spread offense can apply to the NFL...

such as the way that the Pats run it. The problem with most college spreads is that the QBs tend to take the vast majority of their snaps from the shotgun and virtually none under center, which just won’t fly at the NFL level. Chase Daniels was taking snaps 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage at the 1 yd line and would typically struggle in any sort of short yardage situations at MO. Having seen him on a regular basis living in St Louis, he’s not going to amount to anything more than a journeyman backup.

The athletes are so much bigger and faster in the NFL and the blitzes and coverages more complex, it makes for a larger adjustment for strictly spread/option QBs transitioning to the NFL. Ultimately, it boils down to what’s between the ears and whether you have the physical gifts necessary to succeed in the NFL.

by live6453 on Nov 29, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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