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Let's talk Poz

No, not poz.

Poz. You know? Paul Posluszny? Mullet, broken arm, heart of a dragon?

Got it? Good.

Star-divide

I don't have the game on tape, so we're going to have to use NFL.com's highlights. Flawed, but effective for this debate.

Our run defense is not all Poz's fault. I'm not that crazy. But he's a big-time factor. He takes bad routes to the ball carrier, takes himself out of plays, and has no hope of shedding a blocker once engaged. The best play he made this week was causing the Slaton fumble, right? Watch the play again (starts at about 0:35). Now, I don't like to be finicky about Poz (because there's plenty of other material), but jeez. He got juked out of his shoes. He barely got a finger on the ball. Forced Fumble is a really generous term for that. Maybe you could argue that Slaton fumbled because Poz was so intimidating that he overdid that move? I don't know, a forced fumble is a forced fumble, but that was not exactly a punishing hit from Poz. It was a lucky missed tackle.

Now watch the Ryan Moats show.

Did it sting for you? It stung for me. 151 total yards. 3 touchdowns. More depressing: even Ian Eagle had 74 yards and a touchdown in garbage time. (You're welcome for that Ian Eagle/ Solomon Wilcotts man love photo, by the way.)

What follows is my brief summary of those 8 plays:

  1. Missed tackle
  2. Ran himself out of the play on screen pass
  3. Got close to the ball… 11 yards down field
  4. Runs himself out of play
  5. Runs right into blocker, can't shed him, Moats goes right past him
  6. No penetration, but 2 yard TD runs happen
  7. Runs way upfield… Moats goes right where he was standing
  8. Never makes it out of the end zone, gets dominated by blocker

Now, I predict the argument that this was a self-fulfilling prophesy, that of course we won't see Poz play well on highlights from another RB. But that's 8 plays, not 1 or 2 plays. 6 are really bad and the other 2 he's a complete non-factor. And trust me, I do this every week. (Call it a depressing obsession.) This is no different from any other week he's played this season.

Anyway, how can you watch these plays and defend him? How can you say he played well?

I don't mean this as condemnation of him as a player forever. I don't think it's impossible for him to become a good LB. I'm not a judge of potential. But I can judge his actual performance, and there's no way, as far as I can tell, that you can argue that he's playing well.

Thanks for reading.

Poll
In your view, how has Poz played this year?
Great. Pro Bowl caliber, if he'd stayed healthy.
0 votes
Very Good.
6 votes
Above Average.
28 votes
Average.
39 votes
Below Average.
26 votes
Let's watch the game together and complain! Poz stinks!
1 votes

100 votes | Poll has closed

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He is not a playmaker. Looks a step behind on every play to me. The funny thing is that when the Bills drafted, they said they were debating on who should be their number one pick Marshawn or him. They also went on to say Patrick Willis was behind Poz on their draft board. This is why we are where we are!

by Fred 4 Prez on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

it is.

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good point.

I think a big reason they are where they are is that Poz is the kind of guy they’d rank on top of their board. He’s a tough cookie, no doubt, but he’s just not that good at football.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that was a crock

What were they supposed to say? “Yeah, we had Patrick Willis atop our draft board, but we had to settle for Lynch.” Yeah, that wasn’t going to happen….

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 3, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i voted for below average

FYI.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I knew he played bad

but the “Ryan Moats Show” is compelling evidence that he is just terrible against the run. I would add that almost all the plays came directly at him.

by jpheff on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i'm of the opinion that seeing is believing.

certainly he’s not the only problem. But i really don’t think he can be in the middle of a defense that’s anything better than middling against the run or the pass.

Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!

by JPH on Nov 3, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

after that intro I guess I'll be the first guy to try and defend Poz here.

Unfortunately, the stats I’ve dug up don’t help my cause. In the 40 games played since Poz became a Bill hes played in 23 and missed 17. That in itself is a terrible stat.

Here’s the bad part. In the 23 games Poz played the Bills have given up 3,171 rushing yards for an average of 137.8 rushing yards a game. In the 17 Poz has not played the Bills gave up 2,161 rushing yards for an average of 127.1 rushing yards a game. On average the Bills give up ten more yards a game when Poz is playing. Not good.

Here is my concern though. Poz has broken both forearms and did it again this season. This can’t be underplayed as a serious determinent to a middle linebackers ability to make tackles and wrap up ball carriers. His arms are probably still healing and you can bet he is limited on the field because of that. Of course that raises the injury prone argument against him.

Nonetheless, I still consider Poz a guy who has yet to play two full seasons. The injury prone argument is certainly valid but I do believe Poz needs more playing time. I think he is an emotional leader of the defense and he plays with fire. The reason you keep a young player like that around is that he is exactly the kind of guy who can be much better with great coaching. Terrell Suggs is a young player who’s stats have significantly declined with the departure of Rex Ryan.

Additionally, Poz makes big plays. I know it doesn’t show up on the stat card but he has gotten good pressure on the QB in key moments this season and he does make big tackles in games. Does this make up for when he gives up big plays by overrunning and taking bad angles? No it doesn’t. But Poz does have the head, build, and attitude to be a great linebacker and I think he will get better at taking angles the more he plays and with better coaching. Remember, nothing is better for learning in any field than experience and he has yet to play 32 games , ie two seasons.

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 3, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Poz broke the same arm twice. The re-injury was due to the fact the plate originally put in was too small.

by syrbillsfan on Nov 3, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The re-injury was due to the fact the plate originally put in was too small.

Yuck. Really? The plate was too small? How does that happen?

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 3, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They probably just made it big enough originally to get the screws in and get it tightened down. I’m pretty sure that when I heard about it breaking the second time, it broke at the edge of the plate. Hence, they inserted a larger plate to reduce the chance of that happening again.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 3, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m pretty sure that when I heard about it breaking the second time, it broke at the edge of the plate. Hence, they inserted a larger plate to reduce the chance of that happening again.

That is all correct.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 3, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Additionally, Poz makes big plays.

Really?

Zero careers sacks. It’s amazing the guy hasn’t gotten a sack yet considering he blitzes a lot. That’s bad.

According to ESPN.com, he has 4 career STF’s, which is stuffs, aka tackles for loss. I don’t know how legit that number is, but if true, it’s pretty bad. Keith Ellison has 3 this year. John DiGiorgio had 8 in 2007 after replacing Poz in the middle. London Fletcher has 14 since Poz replaced him.

He has 2 career forced fumbles and 2 career INT’s.

I wish I could find QB pressures statistics, but I doubt he’s had too many of those either.

He has been a mediocre LB in the NFL. He doesn’t read plays all that well, can’t shed blockers, and is one of the bigger reasons this run D has been so bad the last few years.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 3, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He flushed Schaub this week on a blitz and I thought of JPH. :-) he also popped Schaub at one point because there’s a picture of it on web rumblings this morning.

Playing Realistic Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
"Matt’s pretty valuable to y’all. Cherish him." - BG

by MattRichWarren on Nov 3, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Zero careers sacks

wow – just pathetic Poz

He doesn’t read plays all that well, can’t shed blockers, and is one of the bigger reasons this run D has been so bad the last few years.

couldn’t agree more – rec’d

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by J2 on Nov 5, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO he is no better than keith ellison. And I was high on him coming out of college but I dont think he belongs in the middle. Maybe a switch to a OLB could help him out but then were in a worse situation in finding another MLB? Idk maybe its the fact that our run D sucks and im just still upset that we’re playing this bad but I just dont see “star MLB” when I see him on the field. And its not that he doesnt try or doesnt have heart cuz hes insane but Im not sold on him.

"Well, I’m always hungry and it’s time to eat" - Marshawn Lynch

by bflo on Nov 3, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

… and its not the fact that we need a “star MLB” (although one would be nice) but he is taking himself out of too many plays and not making plays when we need our leader on the D to come up big. Theres never been a time in any game where Ive sat back and thought he was going to be the guy on 4th and 1 to get in there and sit the RB on his ass 3 yards deep. Or make a bone crushing, momentum swinging hit on a swing pass.

"Well, I’m always hungry and it’s time to eat" - Marshawn Lynch

by bflo on Nov 3, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My sense when they drafted Poz is they really liked his leadership. While he’s a smart guy who loves football and generally does a good jobs relaying calls on the field, I’m never sure the rest of the Bills defense has ever been willing to follow Poz or that he inspires guys. Kelsay and Whitner were voted the defensive captains.

I hate to pile on the guy, he’s an old time football player who dreamed of playing in the NFL his whole life and I’m pretty sure he hates his being “injury prone” more than any of us (more than just have to deal with the pain, it seems to kill him when he can’t play). And it seems like that kind of attitude is what you’d want to build a football team around, but in hindsight, it looks more like a terrible idea to have traded up to draft him given the problems with injuries he’s always had.

With Marshawn’s problems on and off the field, and Trent going in full reverse, was that draft a complete bust?

by williamsDT on Nov 3, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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