What to do with Marshawn...
When you think about the 2009 Buffalo Bills, the phrase "enviable depth" probably is not the first thing that comes to mind. With the offensive line in tatters and more than a handful of key players on injured reserve, the team is thin in depth nearly across the board. These circumstances only underscore the how lucky the Bills are to have two legitimate starters in the backfield. Marshawn Lynch and Fred Jackson have both shown they can lead an offense - so the question is what should we do with them?
When thinking about these two players, three major questions come to mind: who should start in the backfield, how should Marshawn and Fred be used this year, and how should they be used in 2010 and beyond?
1) Who should start now?
In his four games as the feature back (Games 1-3, 11), Fred Jackson has 364 rushing yards, 177 receiving yards, and three touchdowns. To put that in context, in those four games, Jackson has a 4.8 yards per carry average, which would put him at number 10 in the NFL in that category. That "stat" is obviously a bit of a stretch given the small sample size, but don't forget it also came behind one of the NFL's most porous offensive lines.
By contrast, in the seven games where Fred and Marshawn split the carries more evenly, Fred's yards per carry dropped to 3.5 and he scored no touchdowns. Even with that lower average, Fred has outperformed Marshawn in those games. Marshawn has 3.1 yards per carry on the season. For those of you who love percentages, Fred has rushed for more than 60% of his yards on just 53% of his attempts when he has been the featured back.
So what gives? The conventional wisdom is that a running back by committee keeps both backs fresh and the change of pace throws off the defense to the benefit of both backs. Fred provided his own take after this week's game, saying, "Running backs need touches to get into a rhythm. Whenever you do that with myself or Marshawn, it's one of those things that we feed off of."
Fred has proven to be the more effective back throughout the season, enhanced even further when he is used as a feature back. Fewell obviously recognized this in games and in practices and tested the theory this week. By all accounts it was a successful experiment and you have to expect that Jackson will continue to see the bulk of the carries through the remainder of the year - as I believe he has earned.
2) How should the two backs be used this year?
To contradict the stats and my previous statement, there is definitely value to having two quality backs. Even though Marshawn has not performed to his top ability this season, he has proven that he can be an outstanding running back in this league. As Fred mentions, if the Bills had given Marshawn the bulk of the carries, perhaps he would also show a signifiant improvement over his current stats. So then what to do with him?
This year, keep on sprinkling him into the mix. He is a play-maker and, if we have learned anything over the last few games, it's that if you want to win the NFL, you need to get the ball to your play-makers. For being a bruising runner, Marshawn has shown some soft hands and the ability to make guys miss in space. The biggest knock against him this year, in my opinion, is all of the dancing he does behind the line that results in negative yards. Use him in the short passing game where he can get out in space and make guys miss or just bowl over them. Also, I think all of us would be excited to see a little bit more of the two-back set. Even though Marshawn isn't having his best statistical year, you know he is still a player that puts a little bit of fear in opposing defenses. Why not get him on the field even if he isn't going to be the feature back?
And then, of course, there is depth. Injuries happen. Having a guy like Lynch coming off the bench is a luxury very few NFL teams enjoy. Which leads into the next question...
3) What to do in 2010 and beyond?
In my mind, this is the $64K question. Lynch is in year three of his five-year rookie contract. Jackson is in year one of a four-year contract extension he got this past spring. Jackson is making an estimated $2M a year to Lynch's $4M. From a contract standpoint, both guys are locked in for a few more years (at what I consider to be pretty reasonable prices).
But as much as I like him and as valuable as he is... I believe Lynch is a candidate for a trade. For a team with so many holes, having two starting (and maybe even Pro Bowl caliber) running backs is a luxury that doesn't quite make sense, particularly when you consider the fact that the two backs actually seem to play better without each other. Dealing a feature player is never easy in the NFL, especially one that has a good amount of off the field baggage. Even so, I believe that the next Bills front office should give a long hard look at the trade market as a potential solution to some of the team's current personnel gaps. When you are looking for a starting QB, a handful of offensive linemen, and maybe a couple of LB's, you have to consider spreading out your talent and putting it in places where they can all be on the field all the time. After all, you can't make plays from the sideline and for now that is the best place for Marshawn to be.
I will take a pass on all of the obvious follow-ups ( what do you do then for RB depth, do you go for a straight-up trade or target draft picks, is moving Marshawn even a good idea, etc) and leave those to you... so here is the question, what do you think we should do with Marshawn?
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I voted to trade Marshawn
I love Marshawn’s running style, but it seems that behind this line Jackson is the better fit. Since we are in need of some other key cogs on this team, he could bring us a lot in return on the trade market I feel. However, in order to trade him, he needs to play out this season and split carries. We can grab a back with an extra pick in the draft for depth and dump a lot of salary space for a new OT and QB. Like I said, I’d hate to see him go, but trading Marshawn (pending there is something in return) is the best business decision at this point for this team
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by willgarr15 on Nov 30, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure we’d get sufficient value for Marshawn if we traded him this off-season. He’s having a down year and got suspended at the beginning of it. You trade when somebody is at the top of their value, not the bottom.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 30, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
You trade when somebody is at the top of their value, not the bottom.
His value is as low as it’s ever been, and maybe as low as it’ll ever be here. I’m not sure whether that means it’s time to cut the cord or ride it out. I do know that Lynch has looked slower and nowhere near as good as he did in years one and two. Maybe bulking up to 230 wasn’t the best move, but his situation right now should really motivate him this offseason. I wouldn’t really be for trading Lynch unless we got at least a 2nd rounder for him, but see some merit in discussing the possibilities. Unfortunately, as mentioned, his value is probably as low as it’ll be.
Just thinking about teams that might consider trading a 2nd rounder or equivalent for him, it’s tough to find any matches….
-Cleveland needs a RB, but they need a ton of things. I’m not sure trading for a vet is the best move that franchise can make, BUT they have a decent OL and could be a good fit.
-Houston might get fed up with Slaton, even more so, if he can’t cure the fumblitis. I doubt they’d give up on him though, especially if it meant trading a 2nd away for another RB.
-Tampa Bay has Cadillac Williams and Derrick Ward. Neither is really a longer term fit, IMO. They also have a ton of holes, so I’m not sure getting a small upgrade at the position for a 2nd or 3rd rounder makes a ton of sense.
-Seattle could use a RB if they don’t view Forsett as a long term option. I like that kid and think he has a solid future, but he’s small and would look better in a timeshare. Julius Jones is terrible, in addition.
-Washington could be a fit depending on what they decide to do with Portis. Betts and Cartwright aren’t options there. Portis seems to be wearing out his welcome there, and concussions are an alarming issue now. They like to trade for and sign vets, so this team could be one to keep an eye on.
-The Giants would be a darkhorse here if Jacobs hadn’t signed a four year deal with $13M in guarantees this past offseason. He’s looked pretty mediocre this year and may already be hitting the wall. He’s been compared to Christian Okoye, but at this point in his career, it’s hard to believe he’d already be where Okoye was when his career ended. Okoye was a 26 year old rookie who was done after 1200+ carries at age 31. Jacobs is only 27 with 700+ career carries. I doubt they’d do anything other than give Bradshaw more touches.
-San Diego is the team I think would be most interested. Tomlinson is obviously almost finished. I just can’t see him playing for them next year, or getting the majority of the carries again. Sproles is on a franchise tag and hasn’t really done a whole lot this year. I bet they try to re-sign him, but pairing him with a guy like Lynch would be a wise move on their part. With few holes, they could offer up the later 2nd round pick they’ll have.
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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t even think about San Diego. That’s a really good point. It has the added benefit of putting Lynch back in CA and not in our division. Still, one pick, to me, is not enough to consider it. That means we replace Marshawn, not that we get better.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 1, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re saving money by trading Marshawn too. I don’t know what Lynch is set to make these last couple years of his contract, but over the life of the deal, he’s making an average of 4 mil per year. A third round pick would make about 1 mil per year, so if you’re saving three mil, you could theoretically go out and get a Hangartner or Kawika Mitcell type FA with that saved money and add a second or third round pick.
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by kaisertown on Dec 1, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair point. But, as they say, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. I’d still rather keep a running back we know has Pro Bowl potential over one we’d be rolling the dice on. Get money from the DEs. They’re overpaid.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 1, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2009: $630,000, 2010: $885,000, 2011: $1.14 million, 2012: $1.14 million (Voidable Year)
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 2, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not the time to trade him
It seems like the consensus is that the best we could do would be a 3rd given his legal problems and his lack of production this year. It’s also not realistic to expect Fewell to up his value by featuring him more down the stretch if that’s not what gives the Bills the best chance to win. Fewell is probably not going to be with the organization next year and is auditioning for his next job, so winning’s going to be his priority. I think the best bet is to let the next coach sort things out between Marshawn and Fred in 2010 and possibly trade one of them at the end of that season.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 1, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marshawn has shown some soft hands
lol – at what? definately not catching
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by J2 on Nov 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I was about to say…
Soft like butter!
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha fair...
I just get so excited when I see him on a screen play that I want him to have soft hands. but I do think getting him involved in the short passing game would be a better use of his talents than having him shuffle around behind the line.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Nov 30, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, it seems like he has a tough time catching the screen from the backfield, but I’d be intrigued to see if they mixed it up a little by putting him in the slot or carving some room in behind the D-line to draw LB coverage.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 30, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if it’s his tinted shield?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 30, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but I doubt it. Lots of players use the tinted shield. LT doesn’t seem to have trouble catching out of the backfield.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 30, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What to do
Buffalo should continue to keep Jackson as the featured back until/if Lynch wins the job back on the field. Jackson has clearly been more effective than Lynch this season and hopefully, Lynch will approach this offseason with a chip on his shoulder and will come back a better player in 2010. For the time being, yesterday’s approach needs to be the norm.
I can’t see any reason to trade Lynch before his contract is up. His value has never been lower, his contract is reasonable, and NFL teams require two legitimate running backs on theifr roster. Buffalo needs to stop creating extra holes on their roster by trading away players for draft picks for fear of losing them once their contract is up. Two years of Lynch (even as a backup) is more valuable than a mid round pick especially when you’ll need to waste a pick on replacing him anyway.
by Port Royal on Nov 30, 2009 1:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Bingo.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can’t see any reason to trade Lynch before his contract is up. His value has never been lower
that’s what some think.
NFL FOs know him – how he could fit into a team with a good line and a power running game. remember – we traded McGayhee for a 3rd and 7th – I’m certain he’s a better play than Willis ever was. some NFL team would get us at least that
Buffalo needs to stop creating extra holes on their roster by trading away players for draft picks for fear of losing them once their contract is up.
that’s also philosophy – you say creating holes (by a player that doesn’ do anything right now for us) – some say that you could use him to help solidify O or D lines.
it depends on what they use him for. we clearly need to address our line issues – i’d be pretty open to whatever possible scenarios help us address that issue.
is trading marshawn the answer? i certainly don’t know. but I do know that if I have a chance to trade up in a draft to grab a franchise LT and I have marshawn dingling there for some bait – I wouldn’t bitch as a fan if they traded him
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by J2 on Nov 30, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We traded McGahee for TWO 3rd's and a 7th....
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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We only have two RB's on our roster. Lets cut it to one.??????????????
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by VanScottM on Dec 1, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They couldn't sign a middle of the road free agent like Chester Taylor?
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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dominic Rhodes?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 2, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am really sick of this topic
After every game we have to hear how bad Marshawn is and how good Fred Jackson is. You are right, Fred is having an easier time behind this horrible line than Marshawn. But as you said Marshawn has shown how good he can be. He had very solid seasons his first two years in the league.
I am worried about Fred’s age. He is pushing 30 and that usually means the end is near for a RB. Lynch is very young and has plenty of years left. And don’t say Fred has less wear and tear than other 29 year olds. He took a lot of carries in the other leagues he played for.
Right now, I would use both of them. Lynch will only get better. Get this guy a line and watch him dazzle. Did we totally forget he made the pro bowl last year? Yea the pro bowl is overrated but he still was a top 5 back in the AFC. He made it yes cuz someone didn’t go, but he was still regarded as one of the top backs in the AFC. Don’t blame Lynch for this horrible season and offensive line. This guy is talented and he is ONLY 23!!!!! You trade him now, you will have to waste another draft pick in 2 years on another running back once fred is done. Save that pick for an offensive Tackle
by csc06258 on Nov 30, 2009 1:52 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I actually agree with you on just about everything...
I think Marshawn is a tremendous player who is having a slightly down year – probably due in large part to the fact that his running style is not compatible with out current patchwork offensive line.
but i do think there is some value on kicking the tires in the trade market. as I said in the post, trading a feature back is a tough proposition and there is definitely no reason to pull the trigger if they don’t get “fair” value. my argument is more that the Bills would get more value from having a decent second running back and additional talent elsewhere than having an excellent second running back who doesn’t see the field very often. this is doubly true if Fewell believes that the Bills should not be operating in a RB by committee.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Nov 30, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you’re right but Lynch is 23. Have we explored trying to trade Jackson? He only has a solid 2-3 season left at the most. why not get something good for him if Lynch is the future. We have invested a 1st rounder in Lynch. He is young and has the potential to be a great back. I don’t see why we have to trade either of them. But if we did I would try to trade Jackson. His stock is higher than it ever will be. Lynch has more time in this league and it would be better for our future if we traded jackson. I wouldn’t want to trade either though if it were up to me. Both backs are good. I think we should use Lynch Inside the 20 and in short run situations and Jackson on passing downs and as the more “featured back” for now.
by csc06258 on Nov 30, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's Lynch's upside though?
Was his first two seasons as good as he’ll get? If the team feels like that’s the case, trading him for 2nd or 3rd round picks might be the smarter move.
Jackson might have 2-3 good years left, but Lynch might only be around for that much longer anyways (in Buffalo). If he doesn’t get much better, does anyone expect a contract extension? Even if he does get a lot better, would the Bills pay a lot to keep him around?
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by Kurupt on Dec 1, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think his first 2 seasons were as good as he could get. The line was O.K then and now horrible. If that guy has a good line he is dangerous.. I’d just hate to see him dominate on some other team cuz he does have the potential to do so.
I do not want extra picks simply because this F.O doesn’t know how to draft players with those picks. By trading away Lynch for a 3rd rounder is saying you messed up picking him in the first round when I think Lynch was one of their better picks in the first round over the last 10 years. Give this guy a chance. He had two decent seasons and is having a tough season; maybe because he missed the first 3 games and was a little out of the loop. He was used to getting the bulk of the touches and according to Freddy that helps your rythm. When they use both of them at once they do both do bad, but when they use only jackson he does well. They haven’t tried only using Lynch and having him get the bulk of the touches. I think he would do a lot better if he were getting all the touches.
by csc06258 on Dec 1, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bingo
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by KGun on Nov 30, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I’m pleasantly surprised that clicking on the headline “what to do with Marshawn” wasn’t a quick one paragraph fanpost. This is a great post and I’d rec it twice if I could.
I don’t buy the rythym excuse for Jackson. He’s been great before this season in a backup role, so why would he suddenly not excel in a timeshare? He’s never needed to get into a rythym before. I think the best situation for this season is to continue to run them both. Who I started would depend on the matchup. If Buffalo is coming out power I and pounding the run up the middle, I’d give Lynch the first crack at the defense and let Jackson get more involved over the course of the game. If Buffalo wants to throw, then Jackson needs to be very, very involved and should be treated like more of a feature guy while Lynch gets his touches in a back up type role.
For the future, the best thing that can happen for Buffalo is to get great value in a trade. I have no clue if that’s possible, but Buffalo needs to at least explore a trade for Lynch. They got two third rounders and a 7th for McGahee and if they could get something similiar for Lynch, I think they would be crazy not to pull the trigger. I voted that they should be splitting carries because I’m not sure what Buffalo really could get for Lynch and I don’t think he should be traded for the sake of being traded.
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by kaisertown on Nov 30, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
nice post...rec'd
For the future, the best thing that can happen for Buffalo is to get great value in a trade.
100% correct!!!! Lynch is good, but not that good that he can’t be replaced with someone from the draft who isn’t a few months away from a long suspension.
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by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted to trade Lynch. But thats not to say just get rid of him. There would have to be some value in return. I think Jackson is great right now for this team, and the fact of the matter is there are as many good RB that weren’t drafted as there are guys who were drafted in the first round. So if they can get a decent pick, then why the hell not? And for all the great things Lynch does, the thing he has been doing this year and most of last year is dance in the back field…
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by Ghetts on Nov 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The last thing I’d do is trade Marshawn. You have to have two good backs in this league. Buffalo has them.
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by Brian Galliford on Nov 30, 2009 1:57 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
how do you actually rec’d something, I though you just had to write rec’d. lol
by csc06258 on Nov 30, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
eggzackly...........
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by norcaliangelsfan on Nov 30, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The last thing I’d do is trade Marshawn.
the last thing i’d do is trade Brian Moorman
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by J2 on Nov 30, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd x 1000
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by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously you’d trade Marshawn for the right price. We somehow got two 3rd rounders and a 7th for McGahee, would you trade Marshawn for that? Would it take even more?
That’s probably a better debate than to trade or not to trade. What draft pick compensation would it take for people to trade him?
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by kaisertown on Nov 30, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
2 second rounders would be perfect :-)
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by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. What’s the least you’d take for him though? I think I’d move him for an early third and a mid/late rounder like a 5th or a later 3rd and 4th rounder. Not sure if we could get that, but I think it’s where I’d draw the line. Maybe I would take a little less considering how good this draft is and depending on how much of a rebuild it’s going to be. IE: if Buffalo switches to a 3-4, it might take longer to build a playoff roster and picks become more valuable in a situation like that.
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by kaisertown on Nov 30, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is the least I would take for Lynch depends
upon what he has been “up to” lately and why he has put on the extra weight. If the extra weight is mostly muscle, then great, but if he is just getting fatter because he has the munchies??? If Lynch has learned his lesson and is done getting himself into trouble, then I want the 2 second rounders. If there is even a hint of a possibility of continued poor behavior, I would probably let him go for 2 third rounders and a 5th.
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by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the last thing you would do is trade Peters, no.......fire Jauron mid season, wait........ start Fitz over Edwards :-)
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by Joe P. on Nov 30, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would not think of trading Lynch untill I see him next year
He is 2 for 3, thats not bad
With our luck Freddy will go down and lynch will be pro bowlin for some other team
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by billsoferie on Nov 30, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Plus i love that kid
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by billsoferie on Nov 30, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why give up a pro bowl player
Oh wait, Jason Peter’s anyone??
He’s a proven player, teamate, and leader. And, he’s young. He can still learn a lot from Fred being there. Keep both. Eventually Fred’s legs will start to go. If you let Marshawn go, you have NO replacement. If you keep him aboard, he’ll be ready and willing to step in again full time.
The 3 gamesuspension hurt him this year, missing that time with the team. That’s been evident. He’ll come back strong next year.
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by fansince83 on Nov 30, 2009 3:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I believe Marshawn comes back P.O.’d next year and I think youll start to see it down this stretch. Thursday night I think Lynch has a goodass game and this entire team starts rolling. I also think TO comes back next year (hoping). This team is pretty good and I think they are finally going to start playing like it.
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by bflo on Nov 30, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What this topic shows is how nonexistent our depth is nearly everywhere else
We have to keep both players and in fact should try to add more talent to the RB position next year. Who in the NFL is content to keep just one skilled RB? No one. I’m so pleased that Fewell feels free to play ‘em as he sees ’em, unrestrained by draft pick status. Jackson’s skill just amazes me — I thnk he be of great value into his thirties like a Marshall Faulk or Thurman Thomas under a smart coaching staff. I hope that Lynch will regain his potential for big plays as the O line improves.
I think it’s telling that the topic of trading Marshawn even comes up. Where our depth is barely adequate (2 skilled players) we’re tempted to trade it away. Of course Belichick said that ANY player is available for the right price (then he added, except for Mayo.) So never say never, but we’d be in exposed if we lost either ML or FJ.
by Sixteenthback on Nov 30, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
MArshawn is having a tough time this year so far, but I say start Freddy and hopefully Lynch can look good in reserve, or comeback strong next year.
I also agree with sixteenthback
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by killascript on Nov 30, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You keep them both
and as much as it hurts either one’s ability to pick away at HOF numbers or team records, you play them when and where they best insult opponents.
A team should keep a good/great RB and use him until his legs give out. Some choose to do so quickly, ala Larry Johnson, Priest Holmes, and WIllie Parker. Others choose to do so more spread out, ala Warrick Dunn.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Nov 30, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wildcat
It might sound crazy, but I would really like to see Buffalo do more stuff like Miami was doing before Ronnie went down. I don’t know if there is a better set of backs in the league for running that formation than Lynch and Jackson (now that Ronnie is done for the year). At the very least, get them both out there in two back sets so that they can at least try to get in a rhythm. There should be enough touches for both of them to get 10-20 touches a game.
by crooked5 on Nov 30, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why we should trade Lynch
(1.) He has two strikes against him, and if he pulls another stunt or get’s arrested during the offseason, we might have lost him for the whole season.
(2.) Lynch was out the first 3 games of the season due to his poor choices.
(3.) Lynch will probably be another Travis Henry.
(4.) Lynch cannot read the blockers and has done “nothing” this season.
(5.) This team needs depth at other positions.
(6.) You can draft a good running back out of college in the later rounds, who can come in and make an impact, or even sign a free agent.
by BuffaloWhiner on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
(1-3) The same point. He IS a risk to be a repeat offender, but (3) is just wild supposition.
(4) He likes to read too much. He dances because he’s trying to find an opening rather than just plowing through.
(5) The team does need depth, but you’re trying to obtain depth someplace where we don’t have it.
(6) Because the FA crop is so great this year? And late round college guys always work out (see Omon, Xavier). It’s possible but not probable that a late-round rookie RB succeeds in the NFL.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 1, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so hellbent on getting rid of him?
I agree that Jackson should be the majority of the timeshare, but Lynch has proven to be a very good player in the past. It was obviously just a mistake for him to put on that weight in the offseason. Fred Jackson is going to be 29 yrs old next year and regardless of how much mileage you think he might have left, it would be foolhardy to just assume he can take over and get 350-400 touches. There’s no way in hell we get a 2nd or 3rd for Marshawn this offseason based on how his season has gone and the suspension. We need two backs and ideally a 65-35 timeshare in favor of F.J. Marshawn is still young and rife with potential. He blocks well and is an above average receiver out of the backfield. If we can somehow miraculously get a 2nd rounder for him, then I can sign off on trading him. Otherwise, there’s very little value in it.
by live6453 on Dec 1, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jackson’s salary is 2009: $500,000 (+ $650,000 roster bonus), 2010: $1.195 million (+ $250,000 reporting bonus), 2011: $1.625 million, 2012: $1.830 million. Each year he gets a 50k workout bonus, too.
By contrast Marshawn is making even less money: 2009: $630,000, 2010: $885,000, 2011: $1.14 million, 2012: $1.14 million
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 2, 2009 3:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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