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Continuity will lead to success with Buffalo

Since the 1998 season, the Buffalo Bills have had four head coaches (1997 being the last year that Marv Levy coached).  Essentially, each coach has had three years to try and put this Bills team in the playoffs (and, in far dreamier parts of the plan, win a championship. The lone exception was Mike Mularkey, who only gave himself two seasons. Wade Phillips was the only one of these coaches to get us to the playoffs, and he did it in the first two seasons after Levy retired. Every season since then, this team has not been able to play games past the regular season. This is why I believe that a fifth year of Dick Jauron might be the best thing for this team.

Take a look at Jeff Fisher, a very respected and tenured coach. (I doubt he will be gone after this season, even if his team only wins 3 games.)  When he first started coaching the Titans/Oilers in 1994, he was promoted mid-season to head coach. Finishing out the season a very dismal 1-5, the Oilers decided to retain him the following season. He then went on to produce a very Jauron-ish 31-33 record over the next four seasons. The years that followed made Fisher's career. In 1999 - a season that will burn in Bills history forever - Fisher put together the missing pieces and assembled a team that lost the Super Bowl by one yard. Just to make sure it wasn't a fluke season, they went on to finish the next season 13-3 as well.

I understand that Jauron's coaching history is terrible, but so was Bill Belichick's as a head coach before coming to New England. My point is that I feel that this team is a GM and a few players away from getting over that hump. I really believe that Jauron has started to build this team in the right direction.  A good draft, and a decent free agent signing or two, and this team will be a serious contender. But all this will be negated by a regime change. We've seen new regimes gut this team before, and it has yet to work. Continuity is a key reason I think that Jauron should come back for another season.  It is also one of the reasons Ralph Wilson brought him back in the first place.

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Very bold of you. Good luck with your public thrashing. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 4, 2009 9:37 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

not even worth the effort to respond

I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!

by keysh67 on Nov 4, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Before your public thrashing

I’ll give you props for this post.

I think Jauron is rebuilding right. We have solid defense and young good players on offense. We all know that the only thing is that this line needs to grow up so that they can give the QB more time to throw and then they can expand the playbook.

by Ono on Nov 4, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see a D that can stop the run before I pronounce this unit “solid”.

Agreed, the O-Line does need to grow up, and that’s one of the things I look forward to watching develop over the next few years.

But I have to believe there are better options for coach out there.

Sorry.

by oompaloompa on Nov 4, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jauron ≠ Belichick
Jauron ≠ Fisher

by Zumone on Nov 4, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jauron = An old french fry that fell between the seat of your car. It may have been good one day for a very short time, but I wouldn’t want to eat it now…..best to just throw it out with the rest of the garbage.

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by Joe P. on Nov 4, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck selling this idea

Props for going out on a limb though. I cannot agree however with continuing to keep on a coach that does not coach to win games. He coaches not to lose games. I think Jauron is a great coach, but he is certainly not an elite or even a great head coach. That’s what we are looking for and settling for another year of attempted mediocrity would be a complete waste of everyone’s time. Our time, the player’s time, what little time Ralph has left, and Jauron’s time as well. If he stays another year, we’d just be spinning our wheels in the same 7-9 rut we have since he arrived.

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by willgarr15 on Nov 4, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Jauron isn’t Fisher. Jauron isn’t Belichick. Those comparisons really don’t fit.

The guy has had 4 seasons now, and the team seems to be worse off and in more turmoil than it was after his first season. There are still the same problems (OL, DL, run D, QB, no playmakers on O, can’t score points, etc) as there were when he came along.

This team has tried continuity. It obviously didn’t work. Jauron doesn’t have the capabilities to build a competent coaching staff, bring in the right players and actually lead them to victories. You can’t bring back a failed head coach again. Lame duck status didn’t work this year. It’d be even worse next year.

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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 4, 2009 10:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think Jauron is a lot like Fisher. They both have the same mindset about defense, seeing how both were DB. I feel they have very similar coaching styles as well. Fisher is not a in your face kinda guy. Fisher’s teams have never really had great offenses as well. Defense wins championship, and I feel if we plugged some players in a few places we would have a great defensive unit. Again this is all just my opinion.

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by howedyhowe on Nov 4, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how wrong it is!!

In all seriousness. These last 4 years we have had to endure poor game management, poor timing (do you remeber against Miami when threw the challenge flag but didn’t yell at the ref to get their attention and they got a play off), lack of halftime adjustments, but most importantly we have been in the bottom 10 offensively each of Jauron’s 4 years. He has had time to put pieces in place. He had a chance to get a QB, he had an all pro left tackle (peters), he had a pro bowl WR (Evans), and he couldn’t get them to work no matter what the combination was. And don’t forget the bizarre cutting of Walker (regardless of whether it was deserved or not), and the O-coordinator. So all offseason, training camp and preseason you base your Oline on L. Walker being a decent enough LT to get by…and then he gets cut. That is piss poor player analysis. Jauron has had 3 offensive coordinators and he can’t work with any of them to produce even an average offense. Jauron didn’t once make an aggressive move to get Patrick Willis in the draft when he was perfect for our needs and everyone knew he would go to SF. He didn’t move up this year to get an OT. He played A-Train way to long over F. Jackson. Lots, of problems but the end result is he is 21-27 going into this year and will be 28-36 after this year and there is really no reason besides being a delusional Bills fan that the team will be better next year. Last year we had Cleveland at home on Monday night and SF the following week (I believe)…two week teams…when Jauron couldn’t coach our more talented Bills team to win those two games were ultimately when his Bills tenure died.

I believe Jauron can be a good defensive coach, but it’s not enough.

Thanks, for this post…I kinda feel a lot better after venting. And I do think Jauron should finish the season, he has at least earned that by taking all the blame and never throwing anyone under the bus.

by Berg79 on Nov 4, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and it is not like he was a winner elsewhere either. One winning fluky season in Chicago doesn’t count. I remember being nervous about his hire when the Bears fans were laughing that he got another head coaching job.

by Berg79 on Nov 4, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How has Jauron built this team in the right direction?

He let go of his three starting lineman before the season? Thats building your team up for failure.

Jauron has to go, you might be in the 2% that actually approves of DJ. Also, Ralph kept Jauron because of Money, not because of continuity. You really think he would have ate 9 Million after just giving him a contract extention?

by csc06258 on Nov 4, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i know we are terrible run blockers now

but do yo uremember how bad our run blocking was last season????

To me, the sucker is the person who runs when there’s trouble, especially when this situation was so easily foreshadowed….

by poz on Nov 4, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Better than this year...

~K
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by Kurupt on Nov 4, 2009 12:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Thats building your team up for failure

Maybe in the short run, but the guys they got rid of weren’t making this team any better in the long run, except Peters. Peters played his ‘get out of jail free’ card and left town. He was not expelled by Jauron, et al. He wanted out.

The guys they have now are a work in progress but for the most part seem to have the chops to play at a high level. As is Buffalo’s tendency under Jauron I think our rushing attack gains effectiveness each week after the bye.

by syrbillsfan on Nov 4, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Peters and Walker were. Walker I believe let in zero sacks at right tackle last year. correct me if i am wrong, but ultimately he was a solid RT and we could use him now

by csc06258 on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct assessment about continuity

Part of the problem with Buffalo has been the lack of continuity in the coaching structure. Every 3-4 years the team is turning over in terms of system and players which is part of the problem with the Bills. I think this is the reason we always lack the depth that NE and other teams always have. When you are always changing your system and bringing in guys (starters) that fit, you are never building the depth you need behind them. Except in Jauron’s case DB’s.

Take the OL, it really needed a huge infusion of talent, Preston/Fowler and Dockery were not going to get it done. But Peters wanted out and thus an entirely new and novice line was put together without much depth behind it. Putting us in the predicament we are in now after Butler got hurt.

The problem with continuity argument is that how long do you wait until you find out the coach/FO are not any good. Detroit stayed with Millen far too long it killed them. But there are as you mentioned the Fishers and Belichicks that show sometimes great coaches need a little more time. So the question is if DJ had another year would it work? The majority of the people around here would say hell no. My assessment: it depends on the OL and TE. If the Bills had an offense they would be pretty good, not elite but pretty good.

by Bills Prof on Nov 4, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

So the question is if DJ had another year would it work?


I’m not saying it will work, and the odds are deffinatly against it working. The point is in your first paragraph. Turning this team over will not help make the playoffs for the next 2-3 seasons.

I’m hoping that during the bye week we can work with our OL, and get them healthy(along with the rest of the team). Maybe then we can see the Bills team from the first two weeks of the season.

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by howedyhowe on Nov 4, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know it won't work?

Its worked for Miami, Atlanta, Baltimore and Denver so far, in the past two season. Why not here?

This team needs a change in its mentality so badly, along with a better front office and staff.

You’re blindly hoping a failed situation will magically work out. Its not happening and has been a proven failure so far.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 4, 2009 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The OL is healthy

except for the RT and Butler ain’t getting healthy any time soon.

by twoeightnine on Nov 6, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Continuity is great and all

IF you have coaches and players worth keeping…There’s a reason guys like April, Evans, Schobel, McGee, Peters, Reed all made it through a regime change. They were worth keeping. When there were that few guys worth hanging onto, what good was continuity?

Same thing now, though there are more players worth hanging onto.

The comparisons to Fisher and Belichick aren’t worth making. Fisher had a young, first round QB that was steadily improving, and a team that showed signs of life/improvement, unlike our Bills. Belichick coached some bad Browns teams and you don’t see many coaches succeed after a start like that, but if I recall correctly they had a decent season or two. He was young and still an up and coming HC. Jauron is neither.

I also think its a bit of a copout to say that we’ve lacked depth because of regime and scheme changes. We see other teams build depth quickly even after changes, so why can’t ours do that? Poor player evaluations, especially pro personnel, and mediocre drafts.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Nov 4, 2009 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

<Same thing now, though there are more players worth hanging onto.>

Isn’t that part of the point: Jauron has improved the team from a roster standpoint so he is not terrible at player evaluations.

Bad draft picks by DJ:
Merz7, Pennington7, McCargo1,
Wright4(fumbilitis),
Cox7, Omon6, Bowen5,

The worst Draft was 2000 when the best player that came out of it was Sammy Morris. You can complain about DJ’s but he has gotten some real decent players albeit not enough elite players but the current regime is above the early 00’s.

by Bills Prof on Nov 4, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The reason we drafted Wright was because Ralph said he wanted him…when the guy signs the checks you do whatever he says. I have to believe there have been other players like that as well.

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by howedyhowe on Nov 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t know how you can call 7th round picks bad. What were you expecting from them?

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by partyboybackformore on Nov 7, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken on continuity -- a new HC might even be a step backward.

But isn’t that always the risk of change, that things could be worse? If Wilson hires only a new HC and makes no change at GM, does not bring in real football expertise at the top, then I think that mediocrity and failure in future years is likely. But I would prefer that to keeping Jauron, because it is clear to me that he is not cut out to be a HC. I think the downside of firing Jauron is minimal. I’ll take the chance, the small chance that we might luck out with someone better — someone who could lead not only the team but also the front office with a successful, coherent philosohpy toward building a winning team.

Regardless, I think we’ll get a new HC next year because OBD will need that to sell hope to the fans. Jauron will retire rich and content with a big payout for the next two years, a cost that OBD will see as a necessary marketing expense.

by Sixteenthback on Nov 4, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think the downside of firing Jauron is minimal

pretty much all that needs to be said

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by J2 on Nov 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jaroun needs to worK as DC under an offensive minded HC

if he wants to be a good HC.

This guy knows NOTHING about offense.

Until he has a chance to work under an offensive genius.

He is NOT HC material.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Nov 4, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Jauron could show improvement, he would be here a 5th year.

However, despite the way his team plays which isn’t solely on him, he still continues to not give his team the best chance to succeed. Ie, punt against the Saints in the 4th qtr down 2 scores, but unsuccessfully attempt a fake punt in the 4th with more time on the board and only down 1 score. He simply isn’t a good decision maker, and he doesn’t set his team up to WIN.

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by Sluss88 on Nov 4, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

NO......NO.......NO

Similar record to Fisher doesn’t prove that he will be as good as Fisher if given more time. Maybe we can get the real Jeff Fisher if Tennessee panics. I hate Belichek, but seriuosly, you can’t mention them together and believe DJ will become the next Belichek. I am hoping we get a really good, proven coach like Holmgren.

by o.c.blazerfan on Nov 4, 2009 5:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I rec'd the hell out of this post :-)

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by Joe P. on Nov 4, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

me as well

I lobbied Brian to go to 3 REC’s – but didn’t happen :-(. I think 5 is too many – how often do we see the cool green thumbs up? once a month? c’mon Brian – make the change!!!

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by J2 on Nov 5, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm eating some good crow right now

hahahahahahahaha – damn didn’t refresh. Thanks Brian!!!

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by J2 on Nov 5, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

;) Been that way for about a week now…

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 5, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Extremely well said.

by Berg79 on Nov 5, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank God for this comment. Rec’d.

Point 1 – You focused on choices in your critique. That’s rare when people are venting about Jauron. All that other crap is meaningless. THESE are the real issues, and his choices have led the team to where they are now. I’d add in his inability to find a quality offensive coordinator to that critique as well.

Point 2 – It will probably be a moot point, because no NFL team is likely to give Jauron a head job if he’s fired from here, but I still, and will always and forever, maintain that Jauron could have been a championship-level coach in a stable environment with a GM who supported him. He didn’t have that in Chicago, where he was essentially a prolonged lame duck after Jerry Angelo arrived, because Angelo couldn’t do what he really wanted to do (i.e. fire Jauron) after that 13-3 season. And I don’t think the vast majority of Bills fans understand just how unbelievably screwed up Ralph Wilson’s front office is. Jauron’s kind of had to make a go of it on his own in Buffalo, and that’s not his fault – it’s Wilson’s.

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by Brian Galliford on Nov 5, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

for year especially

Opinion but:
I think Jauron was quite good for the team. When he came in the Bills were a terrible team and to get them to 7-9 that year was very impressive. The year that I felt he had to go was last year because that schedule was a once in a lifetime schedule of bad teams, the team got off to a hot start and then completely collapsed.

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by pasaluki on Nov 6, 2009 3:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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