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Ten worst Buffalo Bills draft picks of the decade

Yesterday, we talked about the ten best draft picks that the Buffalo Bills have made over the past decade. In order to complete our "[descriptive adjective] of the decade" series here, we've got to knock off the worst picks, too. This list can also be known as "why the Bills have sucked for a decade," but we're also hoping that one last vent session over these missed picks will be therapeutic as the franchise turns a new leaf - and a new decade - next month.

On to the list. Hope you can stomach it.

10. Josh Reed, WR, LSU (2002, Round 2, No. 36 overall)
Tom Donahoe's first draft as GM of the Bills, in 2001, netted some really good players. Nate Clements, Aaron Schobel and Travis Henry all made our "best of" list yesterday, and the Bills even got quality years and production out of third-round pick Jonas Jennings. 2002, however, was an epic flop, and Reed, the Bills' second-round pick (fourth overall in that round), was part of the reason why.

Drafted well ahead of his talent level thanks to a huge bowl game as a senior, the converted running back had a solid rookie season playing between Eric Moulds and Peerless Price on a very prolific Bills offense led by Drew Bledsoe. Then Price was shipped out of town, Reed became the starter, and his career has been incredibly average since then. This was the first in a long line of high-round luxury picks made by Donahoe that did not pan out, and obviously eventually cost Donahoe his job.

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9. Chris Ellis, DE, Virginia Tech (2008, Round 3, No. 72 overall)
It's tough to put a player in his second year on this list (and we'll do it again soon), but Ellis is the poster child of several "good idea, bad philosophy/wrong player" picks that the Bills have made this decade. Picked when the Bills had a need to boost their pass rush, Ellis has seen extremely minimal playing time and barely made the roster in his second season. Unlike former second-round picks Schobel, Ryan Denney and Chris Kelsay, Ellis has not found any way to contribute to the team - and though it might still be too early to write him off, the Bills picked a project player with attitude issues in a season when they needed their high-round picks to produce.

8. Donte Whitner, S, Ohio State (2006, Round 1, No. 8 overall)
I suspect that most of you will want to see Whitner higher on this list, simply because the Bills passed on a dominant defensive lineman (Haloti Ngata) to get him. Philosophically, the pick makes at least some degree of sense; look at most of today's elite NFL teams, and you'll find an elite safety on the back end of the defense. Whitner, however, has failed to produce to the standards of a No. 8 overall pick thanks to his being shuffled from position-to-position and his own lack of elite playmaking ability. Whitner is a good player, which is why this pick doesn't rank much higher on the list. Philosophically, however, Buffalo erred here, and thus got the Dick Jauron era off to a not-so-hot start.

7. James Hardy, WR, Indiana (2008, Round 2, No. 41 overall)
Much like Ellis, I'm hesitant to put a second-year player on this list, particularly at the wide receiver position. I still very much believe that Hardy has what it takes to be a poor man's Plaxico Burress-type threat in this league, particularly in the red zone. He won't get the reps to do it any time soon, however.

This pick makes the list because philosophically, it was perhaps the worst team-building move the Bills made in the last half of the decade. Buffalo knew entering the '08 off-season that they needed a threat to complement Lee Evans and help develop young quarterback Trent Edwards. They courted veteran free agents like Bryant Johnson, but that didn't pan out, so they went to the draft and came away with... a tall receiver in need of an incredible amount of polish. Everyone knows that the bigger a rookie receiver, the longer it'll take to develop them. (Unless their surname is Fitzgerald or Johnson.) Hardy couldn't nail down a starting job, Edwards went into a shell thanks to a lack of weapons that he'd never re-emerge from, and the rest is history. Buffalo fixed the situation a year too late with the Terrell Owens signing.

6. Travares Tillman, S, Georgia Tech (2000, Round 2, No. 58 overall)
Tillman played in the NFL for quite a while. He made a nice living as a journeyman safety with some range and athletic ability, and he even picked off 3 passes with Miami in 2005. But you generally would like your second-round picks to spend more than two seasons with your team, which is exactly what Tillman did. He did not survive the regime change from Wade Phillips to Gregg Williams, and that's an indictment on the efforts of former GM John Butler in his last Bills draft class.

5. Roscoe Parrish, WR, Miami, FL (2005, Round 2, No. 55 overall)
Yikes. Without a first-round pick thanks to an epic draft-day blunder of a trade that we'll discuss a bit higher on this list, Donahoe, in his last draft as a Bills GM, chose the gadget player to rule all gadget players with Parrish as his top selection on the season. Parrish has had his moments with this team, and for a while, he was the NFL's best punt returner, setting career average records and putting the Bills in position to win a few games thanks to timely big returns. But Parrish was drafted to be much more than a punt returner; unfortunately, that's all the Bills have gotten.

4. John McCargo, DT, North Carolina State (2006, Round 1, No. 26 overall)
It'd be difficult for most teams to find a bigger first-round flop than McCargo in the past decade; unfortunately for the Bills, they have three bigger flops. Again, this was a case of the Bills taking a player far higher than his talent level indicated; the Bills desperately needed a starting defensive tackle that season, and the fact that they lucked into Kyle Williams four rounds later doesn't make this pick any less of a reach. Since this pick, McCargo has dealt with several small injuries, one major injury (a bulging disc in his back), been traded, had the trade negated, and toiled at the bottom of the Bills' depth chart. Not exactly what you'd like out of a first-round pick.

3. Erik Flowers, DE, Arizona State (2000, Round 1, No. 26 overall)
Butler's last draft featured Flowers as its centerpiece. Bruce Smith had left the team, and the Bills were searching for their next great pass rusher. Flowers didn't stick in Buffalo because Gregg Williams brought in a 4-3 defense that Flowers, a 3-4 pass rusher, did not fit into. But the four sacks that Flowers picked up in two seasons with Buffalo represent 80% of his career total of five, which he picked up in five NFL seasons.

2. J.P. Losman, QB, Tulane (2004, Round 1, No. 22 overall)
This, my friends, was Epic Fail No. 2. Drew Bledsoe had something left in the tank, and the Bills were pushing toward a playoff berth. They did, however, need a quarterback of the future, and then-head coach Mike Mularkey fell in love with the deep ball of a cocky kid from Tulane. Mularkey loved that deep ball so much that the Bills traded multiple picks to Dallas to move back into the first round to get their cocky kid quarterback. Two years later, Mularkey was gone, Losman had a flash-in-the-pan season under Dick Jauron, and then a Losman knee injury began the memorable Trent Edwards era. Now, Losman is attempting to get back into the NFL after leading the Las Vegas Locomotives to a UFL championship.

1. Mike Williams, OT, Texas (2002, Round 1, No. 4 overall)
It's tough to top Losman, but Williams found a way to do it. Williams is the poster child for terrible Bills drafting, and the centerpiece of the plethora of issues that got Donahoe fired. At the time, Williams was given the richest contract in franchise history, but to say that he never lived up to his potential would be a severe understatement. He spent four highly mediocre seasons as Buffalo's right tackle before lazy-ing himself out of the sport entirely; one of the very first actions Marv Levy took on this roster as GM was to cut Williams. Big Mike made a not-so-dramatic return to NFL football this season with Washington, and is now toiling in anonymity on one of the league's worst units that features another former Bill, Derrick Dockery.

Just click his name and take a gander at his picture to see just how far Williams' star has fallen.

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Ugh, so disgusting picks there, in particular the four first that just were awful picks altogether. It flabbergasts me that any team can be as bad at drafting as we have been the last decade and I just pray that this upcoming decade will resemble nothing of what the past decade has in terms of drafting. UGH!

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Dec 10, 2009 9:18 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Have to agree

with all your selections and your rankings. 5 of the 10 were first round picks, that is not a good average to miss on 5 picks when they should be shure thing. Donohoe was a disaster as a G.M. And of course, Marv should have stuck to coaching.

by BuffaloWhiner on Dec 10, 2009 9:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No picks are a sure thing. No team in the NFL has a perfect record on first round picks.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

still, 5 out of 10 ranking as 5 of the 10 worst picks you made all decade?

that’s bad.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never liked the J.P pick

never thought he was anything near a 1st round pick

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by billsoferie on Dec 10, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Should have been the Twenty worst

Maybe 30…

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by Kurupt on Dec 10, 2009 9:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Man I don’t think Whitner or Reed make this list. They at least have been productive.

You include Ellis but not Corey Moore or Kevin Everett who like Ellis did very little for the team as 3rd rounders? I’m not saying Ellis is the bad choice for the list, mind you, just that I think those two guys and maybe even Youboty are ahead of Reed and Whitner in my book.

If you did this list in a year from now but still did the 2000s, wouldn’t you put Trent Edwards on the list? Maybe not cause he was a third rounder…

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Corey Moore almost made the list, but again, he was a guy that didn’t survive because of the 3-4 to 4-3 switch under Williams, and I didn’t want to beat a dead horse.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t Moore also get shot in the leg when he was with the Bills? that had to effect him a little.

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by sireric on Dec 10, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure it’s fair to evaluate Everett in that way given his injury. Yeah, he was going into his 3rd season, but he was injured a lot of his first season and the major injury was at the beginning of the 3rd season. Sometimes, these things can’t be controlled.

As far as Edwards- well, we did get a few quality starts out of him. He DID look better than Losman at times. Frequently. At the time he was drafted, he was a value pick. Lots of people had him higher than where the Bills actually picked him. His development was just handled poorly given his somewhat fragile psyche.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He had two full seasons to do something. Can’t play well if you’re in the training room.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree – Reed has produced, nothing amazing, and perhaps not 2nd round pick worthy – put compared to the rest of the decades draft…
Whitner, I feel like this, for a first rounder he hasn’t lived up to it. But if I just look at the player and what he has had to do because of injuries in the secondary and such, I like.

And I have to agree with you that Edwards can be placed on this list, a certified backup has his job right now. Though that just shows how putrid JP was that he got out played by Trent he got outplayed by a backup…

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by Ghetts on Dec 10, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Whitner pick looked worse in context

we have to remember that it was labelled as a huge reach by every draft observer. It’s one thing when you take a consensus future star and he doesn’t pan out. It’s another when you grab a no-name way above slot, and he proceeds to play like the no-name everyone thought he was.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OR........ maybe if we had a good O-line, none of them would have sucked.

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 10, 2009 10:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One problem with a lot of these draft picks is that the Bills never put them on the field. Hard to learn when you never get the chance to. I.e., Ellis, Hardy, Parrish, McCargo, McKelvin, Maybin. You take guys at the top of drafts to make an impact, not sit the bench and get an occasional play here and there.

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 9:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh every one of those guys besides Ellis has seen plenty of playing time.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only when injuries happen

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is that relevant? They saw the field and didn’t play up to snuff.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean they only get to play sporatically when injuries occur. So there isn’t a consistent basis of playing time for them to even know what “up to snuff” means. For one example, Byrd. He played well while filling in for Wilson/Whitner. Now that those injuries are over, he is being rotated in on passing plays. How is he supposed to learn to diagnose and react to running plays when he is on the sideline for them. Does that make sense?

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Byrd’s been injured himself. He’d be on the field on passing downs if he was healthy. And yes. Yes he is supposed to understand and diagnose what’s going on in a play while he is on the sideline.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even if healthy, they wouldn’t have him on the field every play. And the view is a lot different from the field than the sideline

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But you gotta know there’s a reason these guys weren’t on the field. It’s not like Buffalo won’t put a young guy on the field just cause he’s young. Wood and Levitre started right away. Kyle Williams, Poz, Whitner, Evans… all these guys started in their first year.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It seems they usually sit for a while before they play. They are drafted for an impact, so let them make it. You learn the quickest on the field, not watching.

And yes, they get it right every now and then and let guys play. But not very often by choice. And most definitely not often enough. And Williams didn’t start until mid-season (over Tim Anderson).

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He started 11 games. He started pretty much right away.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 11, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If they performed well enough on a day to day basis to beat out the people ahead of them they probably would have seen the field.

by twoeightnine on Dec 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

…..but they don’t get to perform on a day to day basis. That’s my point.

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think by “day to day basis,” he meant “practice.”

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll resist the urge to quote Allen Iverson then.

In any event, the team has a tendency to not play our young players unless injury forces them into action. And I think that stunts their development. Game day > Practice.

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is this why Trent Edwards developed so nicely?

because we got him so much gametime?

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

First, he only played because of an injury.

And I never said they end up being GOOD. Do you think he would be a better player if he was still on the sideline with a clipboard because of his practice experience?

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely can’t understand why you would believe that.

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 10, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, for starters, he wouldn’t be two concussions in and he wouldn’t have lost the trust of his team.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 10, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and he wouldn't be completely shellshocked

if you think he’s got a brighter future today than the day he was drafted because we threw him out there, let him get concussed and shellshocked and put all the pressure of the world on his shoulders….then we’re going to disagree on this…

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are now arguing that every player we draft is at their best the day we drafted them. And playing them leads to nothing.

And you also are arguing that injuries + pressure = dimmer future. So Wood, McKelvin, Poz, and Hardy are all screwed.

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 11, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t take it to that extreme at all. None of those guys you mentioned, with the possible exception of Poz have THAT much pressure. Injuries are definitely a blow to development. No question.

There’s a difference between expecting a third-round rookie to come in and spell the reigning first-round third-year man after injury (essentially lead the team) and asking your first-round rookie to come in, return some kicks and play nickel corner and maybe some #2 CB due to injury. It’s a heck of a difference. Couple that with the over-emphasis in the media on a QB saving a franchise and it’s a lot to bear.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

“asking your first-round rookie to come in, return some kicks and play nickel corner and maybe some #2 CB due to injury”

That is EXACTLY my point. First-round rookies are for impact, not gimmick roles.

And the argument Edwards is worse off because he played I find ridiculous. No player becomes great on the sidelines. By that measure, Jim Sorgi is a Hall of Famer.

by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 11, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t say he was better off on the sidelines long-term. I WOULD say he’d have been better off on the sidelines for the first year or two while he got acclimated to the pro game.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 11, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you're wrong.

sorry champ.

You’re argument is that they don’t play their young guys early enough and it stunts their career.
As you wrote:

You are now arguing that every player we draft is at their best the day we drafted them.

Nope. Wrong. Not what I’m arguing. My argument is that rushing people into games does as much damage as it does good. Actually, all i was saying was that Trent’s development was stunted because we put him in the worst possible situation before he was prepared to deal with it, but I do believe it goes further than that, so I’ll make that argument now.

If you watch Edwards play, you can’t help but think that he’s completely terrified to be out there. Considering that all we heard about when we drafted him was how smart, poised, and collected he was in the pocket, yeah I’d say he’s pretty much regressed in his one core competency, hasn’t he?

David Carr is another example. The Texans stuck him out there immediately, and proceeded to never see even a shred of the #1 overall pick they thought they were getting.

Demetrius Bell got put out there too early, and now he’s gone from an intriguing future prospect to someone who was so overwhelmed that he played with his head up his ass.

There’s a reason the baseball has the minor leagues. Theres a reason the NBA has the D-League. The reason is that, if people are overwhelmed too early in their careers, they go into a shell, and they never develop.

And the argument Edwards is worse off because he played I find ridiculous. No player becomes great on the sidelines. By that measure, Jim Sorgi is a Hall of Famer.

No player becomes great on the sidelines? Putting aside whatever great means, tell Tom Brady that. Tell Phillip Rivers that. Tell Drew Brees that. Tell Aaron Rodgers that. Tell Steve Young that. Or Tony Romo or Vince Young.

Heck, tell Jason Peters that.

Still find the argument that Edwards is worse because we threw him in front of the firing squad to be “ridiculous?”

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by JPH on Dec 12, 2009 4:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Initially, Edwards only played because of injury, but he did win that job and start over a healthy Losman later in the season. Buffalo has had Whitner, Kyle Williams, Lynch, Poz, Levitre, Wood and Byrd start as rookies and a handful of those guys didn’t even compete to win those jobs. Buffalo forced Hardy into games last year until it became abundantly obvious that he was nowhere near ready. Maybin continues to get more than a few plays each week despite looking overwhelmed. Derek Fine and Steve Johnson both played roles as rookies and Shawn Nelson had one even before the injuries. Ko Simpson and Keith Ellison became full time starters after injuries too. As second year players, McKelvin was handed a job and Brad Butler won a starting spot.

Saying that Buffalo has a tendency to not play young players is crazy. I’m not sure if there are more than one or two teams who have played more young players than Buffalo has over the last four seasons.

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by kaisertown on Dec 10, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

One problem with a lot of these draft picks is that the Bills never put them on the field

That more than anything else is the reason that this team Stinks. Why store your draft picks on the side line? they are not wine that gets better with age. We are going no where , why not let these guys try to.

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by crazyoldman on Dec 10, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the reason is that they draft guys who aren't good, sign guys who aren't good and then coach them poorly

maybe sitting some guys too long is part of that, but it’s hardly a bigger problem than the talent they bring in in the first place

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Parrish was drafted in 2005, as you allude to the Losman pick as reason for having no 1st rounder that year.

by karovda on Dec 10, 2009 9:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yep, that was just a typo. Nice catch

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

whats with the Mike Williams pic

just that he looks like Mike Williams a WR and not a lineman or is there something Im missing?

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by killascript on Dec 10, 2009 10:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yep. That’s WR Mike Williams.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It’s also McCargo chasing him.

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 10, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

?

If you are referring to the picture above, that is definitely not Mike Williams. Looks like Mo Morris to me.

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by Kurupt on Dec 10, 2009 11:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

the link to bills draft pick Mike Williams has a pic of Mike Williams the much maligned WR on his profile…

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by killascript on Dec 10, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Otherwise, “our” Mike Williams would be selling diet information.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 10, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on SBN get it right! :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We get that info from a provider.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

don't change it

even if you could. it’s better that way.

I like that MRW is a top contributor concerning Big mike..

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m a top contributor on a lot of current and former Bills simply because of the morning links.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a rogue's gallery to be sure

With some 100+ picks over the last ten years, this list is a testament to the importance of a good front office, a good scouting dept. et al. A case in point…I may be wrong, but, there are no Polian picks on this list.

by fansince60 on Dec 10, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This is just a list of the 2000s. Polian hasn’t been GM since the early-mid 90s.

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by kaisertown on Dec 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are John Butler picks on the list, though. He was Polian’s right hand man and did great things in San Diego.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good list Brian. Just wanted to throw Dwayne Wright’s name out there. Not only was he a monumental bust as a player, but it was kind of a stupid pick to begin with considering that they took Marshawn in the same draft. And 4th rounder RBs are regularly good players. I’m not sure if Wright is worthy of this list as a 4th rounder, but he’s got to at least be in the top 12-13 and deserves (is deserve the right word?) mention.

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by kaisertown on Dec 10, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wright was a name I seriously considered as well.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is he now?

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by billsoferie on Dec 10, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately...

You can play that game with alot of our draft picks :-/

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by bflo on Dec 10, 2009 1:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

selling used cars.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with most

3rd rounders Corey Moore, Tim Anderson, Kevin Everett (hate to point out a player who had a severe injury) were never a factor. I disagree about Josh Reed. He’s never been a good pass catcher, but he’s one of the best run blocking WR’s around and had a career season last year. If he were cut, I’ll bet the Pat’s would find a place for him. I’m guessing Maybin will find a place in the Top 5 a few years from now.

Losman’s failure is a large part due to bad coaching and a lousy offensive line. His worst problem is inability to read defenses. I lost count of the number of times he threw interceptions on crossing patterns to a defender coming from the opposite side. He also never mastered the half step shuffle in the pocket. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make a late career comeback in the NFL.

by Rick A on Dec 10, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Tim Anderson

Big stinker….and for Everett, aside from the major injury, everyone must remember he was a bust, no mattter what the offseason hype machine wanted us to believe in terms of him turning the corner just before his neck injury

It's not all that bad.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!

by killascript on Dec 10, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tim stunk.

He was such a solid college player. I thought he was going to be what Kyle Williams ended up being.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much sums up the main reason "O-fer" that we've seen in this franchise for this decade

I put Modrak and even Guy at the top of this list to blame for the lack of talent and uselessness of some of these players.

Sure Modrak and Guy were only taking orders from GM’s, HC’s above them in the War room. Often because Guy found a guy or two in FA (that didn’t work, which is why I blame Guy here as well), that changed our draft philosophy. However, I believe we drafted “Softies” that we thought were talents along the way. IMO, “softies” do not belong in the NFL: (From the list above: Ellis, McCargo, Losman, Edwards (should be on the list too), Parrish, Flowers, Hardy and of course Williams.

Somehow we need better evaluators at the top that measures a guy’s heart and desire to be a hard-nosed football player first and has proven it for more than 1 season (or part of a season… Maybin diss) in college.

Bring in a GM or Player Personnel guy that will draft players, and bring in coaches, to play BUFFALO BILLS Football. Not these softies like QB’s from CA who aren’t even sure where Buffalo is, let alone want to play here!

Please, please, please… let’s not let the next decade be a mirror image of the last one.

by dabillsr1 on Dec 10, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

This list pretty much sums up why the Bills are where they are.

by Michael_Necci on Dec 10, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree with Reed and Hardy -

I think if you put Reed on a team with a competant qb, he becomes an incredibly valuable slot receiver/third receiver option. He’s got the physical tools of many of those receivers in the league, but he’s never thrown to. I don’t think you can blame his bust purely on him.

And on hardy, the guy has only played in 14 games. I don’t think its fair to call him a bust, just like i don’t think its fair to call byrd a success yet. Just like a coach, I think someone should have three years to prove themselves before they get called out.

by quantumuprising on Dec 10, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Why is drafting a slot receiver OK in the second round?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have more of a problem with the other guys I want ahead of Reed than I do with Reed. GUys drafted in the third round who have done nothing are bigger letdowns than Reed drafted one round ahead of them.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 10, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so if we had tom brady, you don’t think wes welker would be worth a second round pick?

if we had peyton manning, brandon stokley wouldn’t have been worth a second round pick?

i made the point that it was contingent upon having a competent qb.

by quantumuprising on Dec 10, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so if we had tom brady, you don’t think wes welker would be worth a second round pick?

Your point is valid, and it’s also exactly why Reed was a bad pick.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Less than 24 hours later they traded for Drew Bledsoe in a deal that they had been working on for weeks and was going to get done. They had their franchise QB, a Pro Bowl QB. The team was ready to go all-in behind a high power offense. They had a stud RB in Henry, a dynamic 1-2 punch at WR with Moulds and Price, and a decent receiving TE in Riemersma. Why wouldn’t you take the speedy WR (coming off the Biletnekoff) who rewrote the SEC record books to fill in that one hole on offense? (Don’t forget that Wiliams was drafted just hours before to complete the line.) Neither Moulds nor Price were slot guys.

Who else would they have selected? The only three WRs drafted after Reed who amounted to anything were Andre Davis, Antwaan Randle El, and Antonio Bryant. Two guys who aren’t slot receivers and a quarterback. Most of the others are already out of the league.

If anything be pissed that they also selected Denney in the 2nd round that year.

by twoeightnine on Dec 10, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

that was quite compelling.

rec’d.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hm. I don’t remember it like that, but I was also young and stupid at the time. I don’t recall the Bledsoe deal being in the works for that long…

Funny enough, Denney almost made the list, too.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There had been rumblings about it for two-three weeks.

And the day or two before the draft it reached it’s peak.The Bills were basically the only team interested and the Pats had to move him. The Pats wanted a 2002 draft pick, the Bills said no. Once the first day of the draft was over the Pats had no choice but to take the Bills offer.

Bledsoe goes on to have the best year ever for a Bills QB. Bledsoe, Moulds, and Brown make the Pro Bowl. Moulds catches 100 passes, Price 94. Reed plays his role perfectly chipping in 37, 500+ and 2 TDs.

The Bills go from one of the worst teams in the NFL to almost being in a 4 way tie for first in the toughest division in football.

by twoeightnine on Dec 11, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I read that and completely thought to myself, “chipped in 37,500 what?”

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 12, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still can't believe they gave up a 1st round pick

When nobody else was all that interested….

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by Kurupt on Dec 13, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your Ten Worst Picks list looks pretty good to me

But then I am a Lions fan and have lived through the Millenwreck that was the last eight years. Our list has guys who are totally out of football. NFL, CFL, UFL, you name it.

by NorthLeft12 on Dec 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I really wish I felt less of a connection with lions fans.

I wish my kindred spirits were Steelers fans or Pats fans.

not that lions fans aren’t good people. I’d just rather I didn’t feel like I understood their pain so well.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meh. It builds character. Besides, Pats fans are jerks anyway. :-)

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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 10, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have been to the Super Bowl...multiple times.

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by NorthLeft12 on Dec 11, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can't agree with Reed because he's been steady.

Can’t agree with Hardy because of the obvious problems. I also can’t agree with your reasoning because it’s the exact opposite of what you said when he was drafted.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2008/5/7/481841/bills-play-wr-market-well

Once again, the Bills played their cards correctly (and proved experts, and myself, wrong) by passing on a receiver in the first round, instead selecting CB Leodis McKelvin. That gamble would pay off, as the team was able to land their favorite “big” receiver in the draft, Indiana’s James Hardy.

I admit – I fell to the logic that the team needed to bring in a veteran receiver to start next to Evans. That argument, in my mind, still holds some water. However, looking back on the entire wideout situation in retrospect, the Bills did the right thing. They clearly felt similarly to what I (and most of you) felt in that a veteran receiver would help most; hence their courting of Johnson. It’s a shame that fell through, but the team recovered nicely.

Ironically, adding Hardy as opposed to Johnson may ultimately be a better situation for Buffalo’s offense. It’s still unclear whether either of these players are starting-caliber at the NFL level (Johnson has never been more than a slot receiver behind Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald in Arizona). Johnson clearly holds the edge in game experience at the NFL level, but Hardy and his red zone prowess may ultimately be a better fit for Buffalo’s offense this year. Yes, this year. Johnson would have given the Bills predominantly a between-the-twenties presence with some red zone potential; Hardy’s specialty is scoring. The Bills, in reality, need the latter more.

Well played, Buffalo. You may have lost out on your top target (Johnson), but in a mediocre off season of wide receiver talent, you may have just acquired the guy who’ll make the biggest impact right away

Hindsight is 20/20 on performance but you can’t call it the worst philosophical move only a year after calling it the right thing to do. The philosophy is still the same.

by twoeightnine on Dec 10, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was on the bandwagon for the team bringing in a vet receiver that year. The team went after Bryant Johnson; I wanted them to chase Ernest Wilford. (Yikes.)

When I said the Bills “did the right thing,” I was referring specifically to the fact that they courted a veteran first, and then went and got the guy they thought was the best in the draft class. The priority was the “right thing.” And then I chose to believe that adding Hardy might do more good because, as he proved in the Jacksonville game, he had the capability to contribute in the red zone right away. (I still fail to understand why he wasn’t used in that role more last season.) Obviously, I was wrong in drinking the Kool-Aid.

Either way, I think I’ve been consistent on the philosophy. I wanted them to get a veteran, and was more than a little disappointed when they didn’t. I liked the Hardy pick purely because I thought his red zone potential would help him contribute right away, but the Bills didn’t let him even attempt it.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not to get tangental, but wanted to ask...

Later on during the offseason, is it worth looking at Javon Walker?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 10, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he still plays?

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin

Aaron Maybin will be on this list in a year or two. How bad is it when the 11th overall pick in the draft cannot even smell the field? I understand the whole ‘give him time to mature’ argument, but I just dont see it happening. He reminds me of Vernon Gholston. Both of the two are athletic freaks, but they just cant make the transition to the NFL. I hope I am wrong about this. I really want the kid to do well.

by MarkyMarkO on Dec 10, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybin and Gholston are nothing alike athletically. Gholston is also still stuck in a scheme that he’s ill-suited for from an abilities standpoint. The same might be said about Maybin.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 10, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His point was that they're freaks.

Yeah they’re nearly opposite sides of the spectrum, but they’re both athletic freaks who don’t look like football players just yet.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I still think hardy has the ability to become a good target for the right QB

He never really got to learn from Owens this year, but if we could somehow keep Owens one more year that might become more influential.

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by billsoferie on Dec 10, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with yesterday's for the most part

but I have to disagree with a few on this list. I think there is a worst vs disappointment distinction that could be made.

Whitner has been a very, very good pick. He was instant contributor. He has played FS. SS and nickel with big drop off. he is showing leadership in the backfield. the big issue is has he played up to a #8 pick. So he has been a disappointment for that pick, but he has been one heck of a pick and a solid building block for years to come. That’s what you want from a first rounder.

Reed has been a very productive player for us. And for a 2nd rounder, he has done what he is supposed to do. Many 2nd rounders don’t have productive careers.

I would agree that if, going back a decade, our first and second rounders have all been as productive as Whitner or Reed, we would be constant contenders.

I also don’t understand how Hardy and Ellis are among the worst 10. In 3 years, we may be able to declare them as flops. They are picks that made some sense and may yet pan out quite well.

by Ono on Dec 10, 2009 1:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Posts like these make me want to cry.

So many first rounders, so many busts…….

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by NCbillsfan12 on Dec 10, 2009 1:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This atricle spells out why BPA is the best route to go in the draft.

The “need” guys are the ones that irritate me the most. They couldn’t be any worse at their position, and they were taken because they were expected to solidify said positions.

Oh and I don’t think i’d put Donte Whitner on this list, had I culled one. His situation is due in large part to the flip-flopping.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 10, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

agreed on Whitner

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by poz on Dec 10, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that argument

but I think Whitner’s lack of playmaking ability shone through, regardless of all the position changes.
but that’s completely subjective.

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by JPH on Dec 10, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure how true that is, when you look at the list. It is more a matter who is evaluating talent. Consider this: Why was Josh Reed taken when line help on either side was an obvious need?, How about Roscoe? Even Losman was a bit of a luxury pick (aka BPA). If the guy making the picks thinks that he is picking the bpa but is grabbing a scrub who will be playing in a beer league in two years that is the problem.

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by sireric on Dec 10, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the trip down memory lane.

If anyone ever asks me what the Bills were like this decade I’ll just hand them this post. This basically sums it all up. Well written Brian, I imagine it was painful to do.

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by poz on Dec 10, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great articles the last 2 days

I guess I haven’t admitted to myself just how bad the drafting has been. Their bad picks were REALLY Bad and their good picks were only pretty good.

by S2 on Dec 10, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Random stat:

4 of the picks listed are from the ACC and 2 are from the Big Eleven.

Some of the Honorable Mentions (Corey Moore, Kevin Everett, Tim Anderson) also fell into either conference.

Not that it means anything, most likely coincidence, but just thought that was interesting.

by sabre74kkn on Dec 10, 2009 5:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

To be as predictable as possible....

Where’s Kelsay?

The guy was a 2nd round pick and has never developed into anything except underwhelmingly mediocre. Plus he went a few picks before Umenyiora….

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by Kurupt on Dec 10, 2009 11:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kelsay is to Kurupt as who is to me?

anyone? :)

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by JPH on Dec 11, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Poz!

I love Buffalo Rumblings Player Hater Trivia! One smile :) Two smiles :):)

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by the Uncommon Denominator on Dec 11, 2009 2:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

where is he now?

superfan82

...make me wan'na shout!

by the Uncommon Denominator on Dec 11, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we have a winner

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by JPH on Dec 11, 2009 3:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flowers should Rank ahead of JP

As bad as JP was.

Flowers was worse, he contributed almost nothing,

at least JP won a few games.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 11, 2009 3:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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