Vote: Most disappointing 2009 Buffalo Bill
The 4-8 Buffalo Bills still have a full quarter of their season to get through, but they're also on the verge of missing the playoffs for a tenth consecutive season. While we could spend our time in this space talking about the intricacies of four mostly-uninteresting football games, it's much more fun - and constructive, in my humble opinion - to start wrapping this season up and moving on. Again.
The premise here is simple. As a community, we're voting on the one Buffalo Bill that has most disappointed us this season. I know, the season isn't over, so there are new and unique ways that these players can twist the knife over the next month. We're doing it anyway. I've got five nominees; if you have a differe
Trent Edwards. Buffalo built its entire attack around Edwards being "the guy" at the game's most important position. The no-huddle was installed to play to Edwards' intellect, the offensive line was re-tooled, and an explosive playmaker at receiver was brought in. Then everything crumbled - the line, the offensive coordinator, and most importantly of all, Edwards' confidence. He's now the backup quarterback, and his career looks all but over in Buffalo.
Marshawn Lynch. Coming off of a Pro Bowl season, Lynch missed the first three games of the season on a league-mandated suspension. Since his return to the lineup, Lynch hasn't rushed for more than 69 yards in a game, and once Dick Jauron was replaced by Perry Fewell as head coach, Lynch lost his starting job to two-year understudy Fred Jackson. He's still an extremely talented back, but his touches are down, mostly because he hasn't been productive.
Terrell Owens. At least to me, it's been profoundly intriguing to watch Owens play in person and on my favorite team. I love the guy. But he was brought here to "fix" the offense, and while that was always an unrealistic expectation - particularly given the status of the offensive line - Owens' numbers have at least been slightly disappointing. Through 12 games, he's had one 100-yard receiving effort. He's nowhere near the offense's biggest problem, but even if it's unrealistic, I don't think there's a fan out there who isn't secretly craving more big plays before T.O. leaves Buffalo forever.
Demetrius Bell. We heard about his athleticism as a rookie, and after a solid training camp, the Bills cut Langston Walker and installed Bell at left tackle, protecting Edwards' blind side. He struggled with consistency early, and of late, he's struggled with shoulder and knee injuries. He might not play again this season, and he certainly hasn't proven he's capable of handling the left tackle spot next season.
Aaron Maybin. Right idea, wrong player? Quite possibly. Buffalo needed an instant-impact player with their top draft pick this past April, and while I'll still maintain for the time being that Maybin's potential is elite, it was clear from the moment he declared himself eligible for the 2009 NFL Draft that he'd be a project-type player. A 21-year-old kid at the most difficult defensive position to break in at? People are surprised that he has yet to record an NFL sack?
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if there was an ‘all of the above’ option i’d click it with the force of the Hammer of Thor
by quantumuprising on Dec 11, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions
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"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 11, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
Most disappointing Bills?
Tom Modrak and John Guy.
You couldn’t expect Drew Brees to win with this team.
GO BLUE!!!
I voted for Trent
Clearly as Trent goes, this offense goes. His struggles have caused this season to take the downward turn it has. QB is the most important position in the NFL and therefore he is my biggest disappointment.
TO can hardly be as disappointing as Trent, because if Trent had been better, so would have TO.
We all knew Marshawn would miss 3 games and that would affect his season as a whole. Maybe we didn’t expect it to be this bad, but that being said, his production was expected to take a hit and therefore he was not as big of a disappointment.
To the same respect, Bell was not a huge disappointment because expectations were low, at least from a fan perspective. Injuries have held back an already rocky development for Bell this year.
Maybin: Right Player, Wrong Idea? YES. They Bills FO was pressured to do something about the pass rush and they made a bad decision on Maybin. He is a project and this organization needed an immediate impact player. I haven’t given up on this kid, because as I said I think he is a project. He has been highly disappointing however, but I still have him lower than Trent on this list.
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by willgarr15 on Dec 11, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Me too.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 11, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
I am probably the only one who feels this way, but I think Trent should start the rest of the year. Fitzpatrick will never be starter and Edwards probably won’t be either, but there’s at least a chance he could right his ship. But I guess that would upset TO…
At least start him this week, he tore the Chiefs up last year.
Back to the topic of the post, no question it has to be Edwards. Not our guy, back to square one, and more rookie quarterback woes.
Yeah
You are pretty much alone on this.
by RabidBuffalo on Dec 11, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I can’t get the voting to work on my phone, but I’d go with Edwards. I think most of us thought he might be a decent QB, at the very least, going into the season. Now we have people calling for a guy signed off GB’s practice squad. ’Nuff said.
And I’m guessing the Maybin hate will begin shortly, woo hoo.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Dec 11, 2009 11:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
the problem was the O Line
Everyone would have been better with a better O-Line including Maybin. Perhaps Brad Butler was the key.
Bell did not belong at LT this season.......perhaps not drafting Oher was the key ?
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
For that reason we should take a look at Okung.
Okung – Levitre – Wood – Butler – Bell?
with Hang being a solid backup between our three interior spots.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 11, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
NO BELL
The ship has sailed for me on Bell.
Way to many false start penalties. I don’t care how young he is. Those penalties are inexcusable.
7 games and counting!!!
Ha......ever line up against someone trying to rip your head off?
It is tough enough when you know you are ready to be the starter. Imagine what it is like if you are not. I would be a little jumpy too. He NEVER should have been the starting LT this season. I am not sure he was ready to be the starting RT, but at least he would have had a better chance of playing well.
It is way to early to write off Bell. At worst he will be a good backup, which is not bad given what we “paid” for him.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
He knows the snap count..........
I will let holding penalities and illegal formations slide, but not false starts.
I don’t care if he is going to get his head ripped off. He is a mediocre player that we have been feed Kool Aid to believe it was OK to let J. Peters go. I was not a Fan of J. Peters last year and his antics, but com’on. Bell has along ways to go before he should see the starting line up at any position.
7 games and counting!!!
I agree almost with everything you just said
I don’t like false starts anymore than you do, but the fact is that even 10 year vets commit them. My point is that saying the ship has sailed on Bell is a little premature. IMO, his ship is still being built and should have remained in dry dock. I am one of the charter members of the KAA (Kool Aid Anonymous) on this site, so you’re preaching to the choir :-)
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
He NEVER should have been the starting LT this season.
Completly agree. He should have never even started this year. He should have been our swing tackle at backup, but thats it. He was pushed into action WAY too fast.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 11, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
The first two penalties called against him in the Pats game were not his fault. He was lined up incorrectly, but so was the rest of the o-line. As Gruden pointed out at the time Bell got flagged because he was on the end and the most visible. It was in fact a coaching error — Kugler had them positioned wrong.
Bell’s last false start penalty against the Titans came on the play after he was injured. He was trying to stay in the game and obviously was losing his concetration because of the pain. He took himself out on the next play.
If you forget about those three penalties, his record is about the same as that of any other rookie LT in the NFL, including those taken in the first round. It’s a tough position to learn since you are going up against the best speed-rusher on the opposing side, and as a result false starts and holding calls are to be expected the first year someone starts at LT.
Show me statistics........
by week 3 he was the most penalized linemen (per T.Graham).
Besides he is not a Rookie. I don’t see the infatuation with this guy. His play is decent. But mental errors have killed this bad Offense to begin with. Any other team would have benched this guy, but we cant because he at least was a warm body who we needed.
7 games and counting!!!
I think it is foolish to focus heavily on stats rather than actual performance. If you look at Ron’s evaluations of our o-linemen so far Bell and Wood are the two best performers — and of course Wood was a first-round pick.
It’s true Bell wasn’t technically a rookie this past season, but since he had not played so much as one snap in the NFL before this season he surely should be considered a virtual rookie.
I’m not saying he is clearly the answer at LT — it will take another season before anyone can make that judgment, and the answer may well be no. I would insist, though, that he hardly deserves to be put in the “disappointing” category, especially given Ron’s grades on him.
Besides he is not a Rookie.
For all intensive purposes, yes he was. He only played two years of football in his life before we drafted him IN THE 7TH ROUND. And he spent the entire year last year being inactive. The only reason why he was on our 53 man roster last year is that someone else would have snatched him up if we would have put him on our practise squad.
His entire “rookie” season was spent learning the pro game and studying film. Not one time was he ever put in a real game situation, not even in practice. And by every report that has come out of the Bills camp last year and this year his playing ability has gron in leaps and bounds. Now does that make him a good tackle yet? No. Does that even qualify him as a starter? Absolutly not. He was pushed way to fast into the starting lineup.
Bell is an exceptional case. His physical tools show the potential for him to be a top tackle in the NFL. He just needs to learn how to play the position correctly. Give the kid time.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 11, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
For all intensive purposes
A lot of people do this, so I don’t want you to feel like I’m picking on you when I say this. It’s actually more about the fact that my mother was an English teacher and I have a pathological need to fix these things. The term is “for all intents and purposes”.
And with that, I can breathe and everyone can think I’m ridiculously anal.
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by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 13, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
Still like Bell as a RT
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by billsoferie on Dec 11, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Give the kid a break, he’s only been playing football for 4 years. He’s got the talent, now he just needs to develop the mental ability. Being an RT instead of and LT will probably help hiom a lot too.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 11, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, with some reservation about Butler being able to stay healthy enough to count on as a starter
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
i might give Hang man another shot at C and keep wood at RG and Butler at RT
let them figue it out pre-season but like the depth if we draft LT first
this all works if Wood is back to norm..same for Butler
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by billsoferie on Dec 11, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Been saying that since I came back after the bye. This would be a FANTASTIC line for the Bills IMO (unless Okung turns out to be a Mike Williams type flop). Plus this would give us the best young line in football and a great line for years to come. Also having Hangartner as top intiror lineman backup is a bonus. He played both centre and guard very well as a backup in Carolina, I think that he could do the same here.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 11, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think I cried when they passed on Oher. I had been following his career since Michael Lewis’ book came out a few years ago.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
I was hoping for Oher as well. I am going to see "The Blindside" tonight
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Great movie.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 11, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the review…since there’s a strong female part, I may even get to see it with my wife.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
It was good
The football was kind of weak, but it wasn’t really about that. My girlfriend cried the entire movie….haha
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
The only time I cried was at the end when Oher was drafted by the Ravens instead of the Bills
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by Joe P. on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My Order
Trent…by a mile
Bell…but he probably wasn’t ready to assume starting LT this year
Marshawn
Maybin
Others
I wouldn’t even put Owens on the list.
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POOR TRENT.....
Couldnt get it done……….Moving on.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 11, 2009 12:10 PM EST reply actions
This is like picking the sharpest butter knife. (Sadly, the only PC analogy I could come up with). Failure all the way around…
by Posluszny Pollocks on Dec 11, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions
Dick Jaroun
Kept our offense in the No huddle for four or five games longer than he should of.
Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!
I voted for Maybin
Yes, Trent is the popular choice, but I really don’t think it’s fair to call him a disappointment given the fact that the team switched OC’s on him right before the start of the season and failed to give him decent protection. Look at the way Matt Cassel performed last year and how he is doing this year without an o-line. For a QB that makes all the difference. Ditto for Marshawn — the run-blocking has been a big problem all year, and he seems to need blockers more than Freddie does.
Bell definitely does not deserve to be described as disappointing. He has played about as well as any of the OT’s chosen in the first-round in 2009 with the exception of Oher (they have all been inconsistent and all have been hampered by injuries). Owens has in fact been the top performer on the Bills’ offense along with Jackson.
That brings us to Maybin. He was bound to be something of a project, but if he really does have elite talent you would think we would have seen at least a flash of it now and then. The facts are indisputable — he was a $11 overall pick, getting big-time money, and he has done absolutely nothing. Maybe he will develop as the years go by (although I am starting to have my doubts), but he has to rank as the biggest disappointment of all on a very disappointing team.
I was disappointed they selected him in the first place…as they needed immediate help at DE and at other positions. I don’t blame Maybin for that.
I think back to former Bills #1 pick, Erik Flowers…who was labeled a DE-LB type, but at 270+ was much bigger then Maybin. He wasn’t strong or tough enough to make it in the NFL and was a colossal bust. What Maybin has now is elite quickness and youth. Whether or not he can add the bulk and strength required to be a multiple-down defensive lineman is a real gamble. I hope I’m wrong, but I fear that this selection will have a Flowery ending.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Maybe your expecations for Maybin were a little too high for this season?
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
'Project Player'
Can someone help me out. I am by no means a draft expert, but when was the last time somebody was taken in the top 15 and labeled a project player. I cant seem to recall any. And please dont say QBs either because QBs taken in the first round are supposed to be your ‘franchise’ players.
Was Mario Williams a project player? He didn't do much his first season.
Defintions of what a project player is vary by position and from person to person for that matter. I would say a project player is someone you don’t expect to be a starter for at least 2 years. I have said all along that I think Maybin will end up being a good pick down the road, but for a team with so many holes looking to win now…..Maybin was a bad pick by the Bills current (former???) FO.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Kurupt may correct me on this, but my recollection off-the-top-of-my-head is that Mario Williams had three sacks his first season and started every game. That was considered a little disappointing given his status as a #1 overall pick, but is surely above what one would call a project player.
Agreed, but as you said Mario was taken #1 and was not considered a project player when he was drafted
Everyone (not drunk on Kool-Aid) knew Maybin was a project when the Bills drafted him. How much can you realistically expect from him given that and the fact he was late signing?
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Not much, but I have been hoping to see a little more than we have seen. Maybe I’m being unrealistic. However, back at the time of the draft the team was not describing him as a project at all, but rather as someone they expected to help them this year, and a lot of people on this website were predicting six or seven sacks.
Yeah, the draft is like New Year's Eve for the Kool Aid drinkers and even some of us KAA members fall off the wagon :-)
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
The Bills had too many holes for them to draft a project player. It was a critical year for Jauron and—while you have temper your expectations with rookie, even a first rounder—you would like to see some contribution..aside from taking up a roster spot.
Drafting McGahee didn’t help Gregg Williams cause when he was going into his make or break 3rd season. The McGahee thing worked out…sort of…and maybe Maybin will work out as well, but we’ll just have to wait and see.
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agreed.......if we switch to a 3-4, Maybin could make a significant impact next season
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
3-4
Front 3 Williams – Stroud – Schobel
Back 4 Maybin – poz – Mitchel – Rookie
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Close.....need to draft a true NT
Front 3 – Williams – New NT – Stroud
Back 4 – Maybin – Poz – Mitchel – Schobel
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
And Ellisson would make a great #3 ILB. We’d actually have a pretty good LB corps if we go to 3-4. Heck if we could get our hands on Suh (i’m dreaming, I know) we could have a rather good/great front 7 with the right players to give different looks too. Signing Vince Wilfork would be pretty sweet too.
We could actually make a pretty easy transition to a 3-4 if we can get a hold of a good NT. and our LB corps would do pretty well with Maybin and Schobel as strict pass rushers. Both Puz and Mitchell could play both ILB and OLB depending on the situation. And we’d have some rather good backups 3-4 LBs in Ellisson (who would make a rather serivceable ILB) and Scott (who would be a pretty good LB in passing situations). This could work really well for us.
Think about it. Pass rush/run deffense
Front 3: Willams -New NT-Stroud
Back 4: Maybin-Poz-Mitchell-Schobel
Pass deffense.
Front 3: stay the same.
Back 4: Mitchell-Ellisson-Scott-Poz
And occaionally throw in Schobel/Maybin as a blizter on the pass deffense.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 11, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
And think of what we could do with Wilfork at NT. Not only would we be signing the best DT free agent out there. He could anchor our D-Line and allow us to concentrate on other positions at the draft. And it would give a severe blow to the Pats. It’s a Win-Win-Win situation.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 12, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions
Ellison would be a terrible ILB in a 3-4
The guy has no size. 3-4 ILB’s need to be able to take on blocks and get free. Ellison can’t do either.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I think the idea was to put him in only for 3rd and very long type downs
But, if the Bills can manage to upgrade the backup ILB spot along with all the other positions that need to be upgraded next year, I won’t complain.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Thats where I was going. He’d never pass rush, but I think that he’d be very good situationally on pass defense.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 12, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
How so?
He wasn’t good in the current scheme, why would his “pass defense” all of a sudden be much better?
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
yeah
but if we get a LT in the first, Stroud will be better that any Rookie we could get
unless we can get a FA
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
I haven't look at mid round NTs yet, but getting someone in the 3-4th round is usually possible
Getting a FA would be great, but all we really need from a rookie NT is for him to be big and strong enough to occupy 2 blockers. Williams and Stroud can do the rest. He can start getting into the backfield the next season :-)
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Getting a FA would be great
Two words: Vince Wilfork.
Enough said.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 12, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Do you really think there’s any chance that the Pats don’t re-sign him with all deliberate speed? The guy is too good. And if they didn’t, we’d be paying him through the nose. And we still wouldn’t have a backup, which, if we’ve learned anything from the Kris Jenkins and Shaun Rogers injuries, you desperately need.
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The Pats desperatly tried to sign him to an extention last summer. They fail. Rumour has it that he wants to test his worth on the opem market as a UFA. If thats the case (and considering we’ll be in an uncapped year) if we do switch to a 3-4 I’d throw the bank at him. I’d also draft his backup in the 3rd or 4th round.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 13, 2009 4:13 AM EST up reply actions
He`s still not suited for the NT position. He`s actually a bit too small. He is however fast enough and strong enough to make a great 3-4 DE.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 12, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Most if not all DE’s are project players unless they’re put out of position like Orakpo.
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by UZ on Dec 11, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I also voted Maybin...
not because of his lack of production though.
I voted for him because he has looked overmatched. He hasn’t shown me any flashes that he can become a good or very good pass rusher. I’ve wondered why he kept getting labeled with one of the best first steps in last year’s draft, and I still don’t see it. He looks slow off the ball and can’t even come close to disengaging a blocker. He will get stronger, he should get quicker, but I really wish we had seen something positive out of him so far. Like Whitner a few years back, I’m wondering if his lack of anything his rookie year is a good predictor of how he’ll continue playing in subsequent seasons. Whitner showed no ability to be a big play safety as a rookie, and that has continued into his fourth season. I really hope we don’t see the same thing with Maybin.
I wondered why I was never that high on him heading into the draft. I thought maybe I had overlooked him, but now I’m wondering if it was because he was nowhere near ready or able to be a quality player any time soon. This offseason will be HUGE for him. Knock on wood he doesn’t have a Hardy finish to his rookie year….
If I thought Trent was any good prior to the year, I’d have voted him. I’m just surprised at how pathetic he was for much of this season.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Trent
Uber dissappointing, but I’m not ready to write him off…yet.
Don’t play him for the rest of the season to: a.) keep him physically out of harms way; b.) prevent further damage to his presently fragile psyche; c.) further deliver the message that a consistent diet of 3 yard check-downs aren’t going to cut it. Hopefully he’s in the QB competition next year and seizes the opportunity to turn his career around. But I hope the new regime brings in a legitimate starting QB Trent would have to outplay, not another third stringer with little upside.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
I put down Trent. I thought about Maybin, but I blame that more on the Bills FO then on him, Bell the same thing, we all knew before the season started he needed at least another season, but he was thrown into the fire anyways. It’s hard to gauge Lynch with this O-line
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Man-o-man, Brian, the content on this page sure is getting dismal; incidentally, this post reminds me of a great Christmas family tradition of mine, wherein my father, at Christmas dinner, decides which of his sons has been a bigger disappointment in the preceeding year: “Well, son, you were quite the disappointment this year—but not as a big a disappoinment as your brother!” Hooray, I win
TO HELL AND BACK BABY THATS WHAT TEAMS GOING TO EXPERIENCE WHEN THEY COME TO PLAY TO BUFFALO IM ON A HIGH WAYYYY TO HELLLL ROCK ON BILLS THE WAGON IS ABOUT TO TAKE OF
-abayarde
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"Well, son, you were quite the disappointment this year—but not as a big a disappoinment as your brother!"
Yeah, i guess that’s what we’ve come to.
by Sixteenthback on Dec 11, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
You really can't put Maybin's level of disappointment as Trent.
People always talk about an “impact” guy at the top of the draft. What would you guys realistically consider an impact season from a guy who plays 15-20 snaps a game? Maybe 5 sacks or so on the high end. He has been a disappointment, but until they start playing him 30+ snaps, it’ll be difficult for him to get in any sort of a rhythm. Rookie passrushers rarely get off to a quick start anyway.
Edwards was put behind the 8-ball for sure, but so was the rest of the team. This was a crapfest from the get-go. He still is supposed to be the leader of the team and rally the troops. Nothing happened to his skill players who, at least in the Titans game I watched in person, were running wide open all day. You can’t win football games consistently when you never throw beyond 3 yds from the line of scrimmage. I kind of hope Fitzpatrick gets knocked out of this game in KC to see if Edwards might respond favorably to his recent benching.
My vote: The "Brain Trust"
I understand the point of Brian’s exercise, but thinking through each selection on his list, I kept thinking: “well, he disappointed because of (x)”, with (x) being some external factor that did not put the player in a position to succeed. When that happens for EVERY player, you come to realize that the problems are much more systemic, and that means the blame lies directly at the feet of the Brain Trust.
Keep in mind, that doesn’t mean I don’t find these players disappointing. For all I know, they could all be disappointing. My point is, they haven’t been given the chance to show what they could do, in order to give us the opportunity to accurately evaluate them in the first place.
This is an extremely knowledgeable board, so I don’t have to go into detail about each player to illustrate what I mean. You guys can probably fill in the blanks before I do. Suffice it to say:
1. Trent – dealt with new offensive scheme, new offensive coordinator right before the season began, completely overhauled offensive line with question marks at almost every OL position.
2. Marshawn – if I had to vote, he would probably get it, especially for his suspension, which is completely his fault. On the field, though, he had to deal with the same issues Trent did above.
3. Terrell – you can’t make plays when you have a shell-shocked QB not throwing you the ball.
4. Demetrius – assuming that a raw talent, widely regarded to be a developmental project, barely more than a rookie, could somehow be dropped in and start on arguably the most important OL position is wishful thinking, at best.
5. Aaron – like Brian said, Maybin has tons of talent, but almost everyone—save for the Bills front office—realized that he is a draft for the future. Expecting him to contribute right away is a function of unrealistic expectations, not a “disappointment” in the sense we are discussing right now.
Once again, my point is, the problems run soooo deep on this team, the biggest disappointment has to be the front office. Hell, the fact that I have to refer to them as the “Brain Trust”, because they use this ridiculous management-by-committee or whatever they call it, without a clear-cut GM with an even clearer vision, shows just how rudderless this ship is.
by brooklynbuffaloboy on Dec 11, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
When it comes to football matters, I would especially avoid the words “Brain” and “Trust” when describing the Bills Front Office. I assume that you are being sarcastic.
Nevertheless, you are 1000% correct regarding the Bills FO being the biggest disappointment. In fact, Brian should add them to a follow-up poll. The only suspense would be to see if anyone would actually pick anything other that the FO.
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it’s called a write-in candidate and I second your write-in. It’s the front office in a landslide!
almost everyone—save for the Bills front office—realized that he is a draft for the future.
You forgot about the 10 people here that can’t seem to make a post without disparaging him for his awful season.
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by UZ on Dec 11, 2009 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Voted Maybin, but...
Depends on whether you blame the front office or the player.
Maybin doesn’t appear to have the physical ability to play the end position right now. Will he ever have it, who knows? I consider this a front office failure. An 11th overall pick has to show more than he has.
Owens from a player perspective. He’s loafed his way through too many plays. Won’t fight for the ball, ducks on crossing patterns.
Lynch needs a different OL to shine. He’s a quality straight ahead hit the hole runner working behind the most decrepit line in the league. It’s a disaster if he has to bounce and look for creases. If he could run through holes like the Jets opened up against the Bill last week, he’d be chasing Chris Johnson for the rushing title.
Bell, he never played a down in the NFL before this year, how could there be expectations?
Edwards hasn’t been the same since the concussion last year against Arizona. I think it took an irrepairable physical toll on him, he’s Exhibit A for the league’s investigation into head injuries. You see it in boxing, a rising star is often never the same after he gets KO’d the first time.
Owens from a player perspective. He’s loafed his way through too many plays. Won’t fight for the ball, ducks on crossing patterns.
I haven’t seen him duck on a crossing pattern, but he’s definitely loafed. Half the time he won’t even attempt to run block.
If he could run through holes like the Jets opened up against the Bill last week, he’d be chasing Chris Johnson for the rushing title.
Marshawn would not be doing that. I love me some Marshawn, but his strength is not his big play ability. He’s more of a drag-a-guy-for-5-yards-type of back. He’s super valuable when he’s on his game but he’s definitely not a fantasy owners dream.
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How do I vote here?
My first instinct is to go with Bell because he was the guy they picked to replace the guy who replaced Peters. Bell’s starting meant Walker was expendable, and instead of moving him back to RT, they said ciao. No on can argue the point that he’d be much better for this line at RT, than anyone else in there now.
I want to vote Edwards but I don’t see how ANY QB playing behind this line succeeds. Fitzpatrick’s best work has come on fire-alarm plays. He’s not playing better than Edwards in routine downs/work. i think Edwards would have made something of this season with a different coaching staff. It’s funny how his biggest fan let him down the most, isn’t it?
Lynch’s most disappointing act was his off-field behavior. I don’t find his body of work to be a disappointment because I was honestly expecting it from him this year.
Maybin might have made more of his year if he didn’t hold out. I have no ability to assess his play at this point in the season. That stinks.
Owens brings it every week, but the problem is there’s very little ability bringing it to him regularly. He’s 36 and still as talented and productive as Lee Evans @29 is on this team. People will continue to look at his drops and his stats being up/down respectively, but when Evans, Reed, and all those guys standing on the sideline can’t make plays, I begin to look at things differently.
So, I choose D-Bell. The team goes as the line goes. So, it seems to me that Demetrius Bell’s spending a lot of time in the can.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 11, 2009 3:18 PM EST reply actions
Be Realistic???
I voted cot Beast Mode. Reason: he packed 20 pounds of muscle, had 3 games rest at beginning of season, and was suppose to be a force with Jackson in the backfield. Yet, I believe the 20 pounds actually slowed him down a bit and he wasn’t use to the extra package plus the 3 games got him out of the rhythm all season long considering he had to split time with Jackson. If Lynch actually opened up the from the back, I most certainly believe the passing game would be a lot better along with the O-line and the D-line would get more rest to really pressure offenses.
On the other hand, Edwards has been a disappointment. Remember David Carr, who was behind an atrocious line with the expansions of the Houston Texans? He put up solid numbers and he could have been a great franchise QB if not for the bad O-line; for 3+ years.
Bell and Maybin both are current projects in my eyes. Bell because he was undrafted and is a work in progress; plus he didn’t even play football until just recently. If he had been playing since high school he would be a monster at LT, or RT, for that fact. The same goes for Maybin. They saw something really great. Yes, just 1 starting year in college and they knew that if he had more playing time that he would become better and stronger. So give them time they both will grow and eventually they will start and become great players in a few years.
As for TO, what can I say, it was probably just for the fame. I honestly believe Bills signed TO just for the money. They knew he was good, and trust me, I know TO still has lots in the tank left. But he was just brought in for the Bills to get money. He’ll he gone next year and Hardy, Johnson, and/or Parrish will have to step up. That has been the game plan, in my eyes, all along.
he wasn’t use to the extra package
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 11, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Well played sir
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
We are 4-8
The whole team is a disappointment. They lost to the Cleveland Browns, can never get a sustained put together, are at the bottom in defensive and offensive rankings for the whole NFL – The only bright spot from this organization is Jairus Byrd! And possibly Fred
Jackson – This is one of the worst teams in the NFL – What is the point of arguing which part of the team is bad, when there is nothing good to say! Period……..
Pitt lost to Cleveland too
does this make us look better?
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
ha
yeah i don’t think so either…but it helps when talking to Pitt fans around here in Erie
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
Pitt lost to Cleveland AND to KC. We only lost to Cleveland. So there.
Wait. Who are we playing on Sunday? Uh-oh.
by Sixteenthback on Dec 11, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
and Oakland too!
What a trio!
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Let’s revisit this comment on Sunday evening.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 12, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
This one is a no contest.
It has to be Edwards. He was the guy that we put the most faith in, that we planed our entire offense around and that had the most tools and potential to lead our team. And instead of exploding onto the scen he imploded into imfamy.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 11, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions
I voted Lynch
Anybody could see that Edwards lost it last year and playing him behind a crappy line with a bunch of rookies was going to spell disaster, so I can’t be disappointed in him.
Lynch had a huge falloff in productivity that I didn’t expect.
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Whitner, McKelvin, Poz, Parrish, Hardy, Stroud, Schobel, Fine, etc.
Boy, the “Others” list is long.
McKelvin? He played in three games!
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 11, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
If you’re submitting an “other,” Ralph Wilson could head the group up for retaining Jauron.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 12, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I have a hard time going with Edwards because...
…if it weren’t for the massive injuries on the offensive line, I think he would have been able to adjust. No quarterback, no matter how skilled, can deal with his offensive line being devastated as the Bills’ line was.
Hard to vote for Lynch for the same reason. Lynch’s bread and butter is between the tackles and they can’t block effectively because of the injuries and the personnel shuffling. Of course, I voted for him anyway.
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Edwards.
The rest haven’t panned out either, but no shortcomings had the most decisive impact on our team as Trent.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
I was hoping Edwards would take the next step forward but he took three back. That’s why I’m disappointed in him.
The cushion of disappointment with Lynch is Jackson, Owens has Trent to blame, Bell was incredibly inexperienced, I didn’t expect much from Maybin….
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edwards.
easy … most important spot on the team.. he looked like a qb the 1st game of the year as far as managing the game , they almost won.. wk 2 he throws a great ball all game against a tampa team that isnt good but i would say thier defense is way better than thier offense, they win. he has been M.I.A. since. With the hopes of a quaterback of the future he has let all bills fans down the most by far as most of us now say “Fitzpatrick gives us a better chance to win”. Doesnt get more dissapointing than that.

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