Bills hang on, pick up 16-10 win over Chiefs
by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 4:21 PM EST
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PrintThe Buffalo Bills went into Arrowhead Stadium and picked up what can be loosely defined as a victory, outscoring the Kansas City Chiefs 16-10. Terrell Owens scored his fifth touchdown as a Bill, Rian Lindell kicked three field goals, and Bills defenders intercepted four Matt Cassel passes in the win.
At times, the Bills were borderline dominant. Buffalo ran the ball better than they have all season, with Fred Jackson (99 yards) and Marshawn Lynch (84) keying a 200-yard ground effort. Ryan Fitzpatrick couldn't make Buffalo's offense two-dimensional, however; in easily their most conservative game plan of the season, Fitzpatrick made many poor decisions in completing 12 of 20 passes for a hugely pedestrian 86 yards. His 9-yard strike to Owens put the Bills up 7-0 in the first quarter, but he lost a fumble and threw an ugly interception into triple coverage. Not his best effort, and it really hampered the Bills' ability to put the game away much sooner than they did.
Three offensive turnovers kept the Chiefs in it, and after the Bills opened up a 13-3 lead, Jamaal Charles raced for 76 yards and a score to cut the Buffalo lead to 13-10. Charles finished with 181 yards on 27 touches, with 143 of those coming on the ground. Just another running back shredding the Bills. Hope you started Charles in your fantasy leagues, Charles owners.
Buffalo's defense shut the door late in the fourth quarter, however. Jairus Byrd recorded his league-leading ninth interception of the season with roughly two minutes remaining, and after the Bills failed to pick up a first down and punted the ball back to Kansas City with a minute remaining, George Wilson intercepted a desperation heave from Cassel on the last play of the game to preserve the win. Wilson now has four interceptions on the season.
Paul Posluszny and Terrence McGee each recorded interceptions as well. Aaron Schobel, Chris Kelsay, Spencer Johnson and Bryan Scott recorded one sack apiece; without those big plays defensively, the Chiefs - who missed plenty of opportunities to take leads on this day - likely take the win.
The Bills improve to 5-8 on the season - they are now 2-2 under interim head coach Perry Fewell - while the Chiefs drop to 3-10. Buffalo hosts the 8-5 New England Patriots next Sunday at Ralph Wilson Stadium.
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Pac-10 Homer Alert........Jarius Byrd is the man!
I want all of you who cried, moaned, and complained when Byrd was selected in April to snort some lemon juice…..
Do it now…..
Only then can your praise for the Byrd-man be accepted.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions
just snorted me some lemon juice
because I really wanted to say….ba….ba…..ba….BYRD BYRD BYRD, BYRD IS THE WYRD!
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I didn’t want him when he was listed as a CB. I like him a lot as a free safety. THat pass interference penalty was a load of crap, though. Pardon my lack of descriptive ability.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Pardoned. How can they even THINK about calling that penalty?!
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
The refs were all over the map. They missed obvious calls, including a pass interference call against Florence and hit Hang with a non-hold. Happily, they were equally inept towards both teams.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
i couldn’t believe that holding penalty. I rewound the DVR like 5 times trying to see if there was anyone else it might have been on. I didn’t see a thing.
That was a big pick up too.
by quantumuprising on Dec 14, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
This wind could have just ruined our future couple years.
Fewell gets another win. I am not saying he will be a bad coach, but he is unproven and has more potential to be a worse coach than say, mike shanahan.
We also “won” which puts us to 5 wins and will no longer be picking around the top five. If we lost, we could have been around pick 5-6. Now, we have no chance at grabbing the top regarded QB/OT in this years draft. And if we finish 7-9 again I am going to be real pissed.
I really think we needed to lose this game to help our future. Of course I do not like to see the Bills lose but a loss here could have helped our draft and maybe our coaching situation.
I never root for a loss......... bad Karma....
… let’s root for a killing of the Patriots next week at home.
Go Bills!
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 13, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Shanahan isn't going to be the Bills coach next year
We weren’t likely to be picking in the top 5 anyhow.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I am fairly certain that 0 people will look back 5 years from now, if the Bills still haven’t made the playoffs, and say “Yeah… December 13, 2009. That was the day it all went downhill.”
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
true but we really need a stud O-tackle. Now instead of maybe having a shot at Okung, we will be stuck with D-Bell, and he is so good.
There are at least 3 other first-round caliber OTs. Stop freaking out.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
If anything, Buffalo could be a position where they would have to reach on an OT in the top 5-8 that they could draft in the 15-20 range. Guys like Bulaga, Davis and Campbell are all fringy top 10 guys and one of them will still be available in the mid teens. It’s very realistic that drafting 10th-12th and drafting an OT there while saving some money in the process is the best thing for this team long term. I’d much rather grab Bulaga or Davis 12th than Okung with the 4th pick. The difference in contract size between the 6th pick (Andre Smith) and Maybin chosen 11th is almost 25 mil. You can do an awful lot with that in FA or resign one of your best players with that kind of money.
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I can’t WAIT until next year when you spend every post dissecting whatever Tackle we take in comparison to Okung just to prove how wrong we were for not drafting him.
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by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Of course if we are smart we will take a DT or LB rather than an OT (unless a really tempting QB is still on the board), and there are plenty of good ones in the first round.
Well if that statement right there doesn’t prove that you’ve done nothing but just read a bunch of mock drafts and blab them back out at us I don’t know what does.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 14, 2009 6:49 AM EST up reply actions
No, I haven’t read many 2010 mock drafts. I’m simply saying I don’t think it would make much sense for the Bills to take an OT in the first round. In my view the people who do believe that have looked at the line play in the past four weeks since Bell went down, observed things haven’t gone well at LT, and jumped to the assumption that we need a new starter at the position. But that’s panic, not reason. Bell has performed as well as any of the LT’s taken in the first round of the 2009 draft aside from Oher. He will be a much better LT next year than ANY first-rounder the Bills may draft and bring in as a rookie. Why waste a high pick for something we may already have?
You can call me when they’re actually comparable.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 14, 2009 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
that argument may hurt you even more.
by quantumuprising on Dec 14, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
If Okung falls to us and we pass on him to draft some other tackle no one thought would go that high than yes you will hear me dissect it. Like if Suh somehow fall to us at say 12 and we take DT Mccoy for bama than YES i will be pissed.
Its funny how you seem totally be ok with how the Bills FO drafts players and runs this team. Last I checked, they have not drafted a consecutive all pro player in the first round for the last ten years. yea some of it might be coaching but seriously. Is it that bad to say how bad I wanted Orakpo? I don’t think its far fetched? And trust me, most peoples eyes went up in the air when we passed on Orakpo.
Last I checked, they have not drafted a consecutive all pro player in the first round for the last ten years.
Not many teams have. Doing minimal research, I think maybe Ed Reed is the only one who fits that description. Also, Brian Moorman has been named to consecutive all-pro teams, though he wasn’t drafted in the first round.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Dec 14, 2009 2:23 AM EST up reply actions
there are plenty of guys that make the pro bowl every year and are considered all pro. Troy P from Pitt was taken at the bottom of the first, Larry Fitzgerald was taken by the cards in the first. Those are two I can think of right off the top of my head and there probably is at least 10 more. D. Ware from the Cowboys, L.T from the Chargers. Manning. I mean seriously? I can probably go on and on if I kept thinking. Is Lynch the only first rounder in the past ten years that has actually made the pro bowl? Maybe clements made it once I think.
All-pro and pro-bowl are different things. There is only one all-pro player per position every year. You meant to say pro-bowl caliber, not all-pro.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Dec 15, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
No Brian Orakpo comments from you yet today?!?!?!
He had 4 sacks today after all….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
he is unproven and has more potential to be a worse coach than say, mike shanahan.
No coach has ever won a Super Bowl with two teams….
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
You know clicking the “actions” link and the “rec” link under my comment recs the comment instead of typing “+1” then it turns cool colors if enough people think it’s a good comment.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I think green is a rather lame color myself :)
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by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
What we learned
The really, really, REALLY bad Buffalo Bills beat an awful Chiefs team.
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and shouldn’t have – this game was more about the things KC messed up rather than what the bills did well.
If cassell hadn’t had 10 five-hour energys before the game that couldve been a KC blowout.
by quantumuprising on Dec 14, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Disagree
This team need to win as much as possible. Yea we wont get a shot at the best player in the draft. Big deal we’ll survive. Plus we’ll still have a shot McClain or Campbell. Locker, Bradford and Claussen are all overrated QB prospects. Plus theres no harm in letting the young guys get some wins.
We weren't going to get Okung anyway...
and probably not get the top rated QB even at pick 5 or 6…so I will echo a former question here…if this is what the team wants, how do they get more picks/trade for the right pick.
This game is played to be won.
Plus alot can change between now and April.....
there’s Senior Bowl, Pro Days, Combines……..people are gonna rise and fall….everything now is purely speculation………Might as well try to win games…….thats what they’re paid for anyhow.
You know there is a problem with the education system when you realize that out of the 3 R's only one begins with an R. - Dennis Miller
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah...
imagine the message that sends to your current players…many of whom will be around next year…“Go ahead and mail this one in fellas…we need to pick high enough in every round to get better players than you.” Coaches demostrate faith in the abilities of their players (in this situation)
This,
I’ve seen mock drafts where the Bills are drafting all sorts of people that might not even be in the draft come time (Snead, Mallett, etc)
You never know what’s going to happen until it does.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Voice of reason, that.
The latest Draftec simulation had the Bills taking Bruce Carter, the JR OLB from N. Carolina in the 2nd round. Which would be an exceptional pick… except he’s already announced he’s going back or his SR year.
There a miles and miles of miles and miles between now and draft day. Picking sooner rather than later is good, but falling in love with a particular player before the all-star games and combine…
by Brian in Shortsville on Dec 14, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Rec’d and rec’d.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Somehow I think you only rec'd that because of the name.........
just a hunch lol. :)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 14, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
what name
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Brian. (in Shortsville)
Official ledge-talker-offer of the Buffalo Bills.
by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 14, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
way to be coy..........
lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 14, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Ha – no, I just completely had no idea what you were talking about. Thought you meant Bruce Carter’s name.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Gross win
as ugly as it gets…
I wonder if the stands at Arrowhead will be what the Ralph looks like against Indy….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
funny you said the same thing after Jacksonville and the game was PACKED for Miami. Yea i guess there were a lot of fins fans and it was a rival game, but there wasn’t an empty seat.
There wasn't an empty seat except for the tarped ones....
There were a ton of Miami fans in Jax today.
I never said that after we played Jacksonville, either.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
yeah, i’m pretty sure they said there were 60k ish fans there, far short of a sellout
by quantumuprising on Dec 14, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
locker isn't overated.
If you don’t want him now, I guarantee you will once you see him in action.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions
I have
He’s inaccurate , holds on to the ball to long, and has poor footwork. Bet he’s a heck of a baseball player though.
yes!
EXACTLY!
Go play for the Halos Jake…….do it :)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 13, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
no way
if we pass on Locker, we will lose for another decade.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
We may not need to pass in the first place...
he may not even be there by the time we get to pick…we weren’t a lock on a top 5 pick anyway…
There is no gurantee he comes out this season anyway
True the draft class is a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde deal this year. Either you look at it as possibly one of the best POTENTIAL drafts in years, or one of the scariest. I am leaning towards scary myself, to me ALL the QBs have big question marks attached, and Jake really needs to spend one more season with Sarkisian to truly be NFL ready.
Would I take him if he was there at say 12 or 12 where we could end up picking? Sure. Will he be there, or even in the draft, who knows….
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
JUST reported on CFB Live on ESPN
Herbstreit says he just talked to Jake Locker personally and Locker is going back to U-Dub for his SR year.
by Brian in Shortsville on Dec 14, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Smart smart move by him to do so, he needs the polish that Sarkisian will give him
And it will be a potentially weak QB class next year with maybe only he and one other big name
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
But he's also passing up at least $60-$70M
That’s a gutsy move to return to school.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yes, clearly the one and only sole player that can save this franchise is Jake Locker. /sarcasm
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
by thatguy34 on Dec 13, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
with the line we have
yes he can save us.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
you dont see
4.59 speed at quarterback very often.
Flutie saved this franchise once.
Locker is a supersized flutie, with a better arm.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
ps
locker is much more elusive than flutie and has better instinct and tools.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
This thread is about the Chiefs game. Stick to that, please.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
Flutie also had 10+ years of pro football under his belt when he came to Buffalo.
And the reason Flutie was good was he was technically sound.I mean he had good footwork and a good release. He had to be to make up for his limitations. Locker is not technically sound, and I dont trust this franchise to get a QB prospect to that point.
locker has great mechanics
and a good release.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
jake locker
if you think his mechanics or release are bad, you are flat out wrong.
Footwork?
You mat have an argument there since Jake is more inclined to run when the pocket breaks down.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
Last comment on Locker
The reason he’s so inaccurate is because of poor mechanics. Post a Jacke Locker fan post and we’ll battle it out there.lol
Does this look inaccurate?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEucv7Ela_4
not to me.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
A 58.2 percent completion percentage isnt very good
Especially considering the fact he’s in college. Anything less than 60 is poor for a QB. And that 58 percent is just foor this season. Coming into the year his career completion percentage was 48 percent.
Let’s go with the FanPost idea. You two can have your little squabble somewhere else. This post has absolutely nothing to do with Jake Locker, and I’d like to keep it that way.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
He’ll be happy to let you know in a fanpost. :-P
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions
well i'll get it going.
Jake Locker fanpost coming up.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
no prob brian.
Locker discussion moved here.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/12/13/1198991/jake-locker
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
Appreciated. Looking forward to it. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
Flutie saved this franchise once.
I… you… what?
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
annnd that's the response of the day.
well done.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
It might be true
At a time when the team really needed to sell some of its box seats in order to get the new stadium lease, Flutie just happened to come along and start playing well igniting a strong push for those boxes.
At least that’s what they talked about in the History of the Buffalo Bills DVD….
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Interesting...
are those tackles considered starting material rookie season?
If McClain was available in round 1 I would not bat an eye if they swooped him right up. He could potentially fix the whole LB situation by getting Poz to the outside. This is assuming Mitchell is healthy of course.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bruce Campbell
I thought he’d be a little old for football, but an OT with a chainsaw for a hand would be pretty intimidating.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Dec 14, 2009 2:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
There it is!
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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 14, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Let’s not make this yet another one of your Locker-hijacked-threads, shall we? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
+1
You know there is a problem with the education system when you realize that out of the 3 R's only one begins with an R. - Dennis Miller
by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 13, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions
i think hes Locker himself
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I can only wish.
I had that arm and speed.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Locker's high school sweetheart perhaps?
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking it was Locker’s mom or girlfriend.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Dec 14, 2009 2:32 AM EST up reply actions
Campbell and Okung are
Dont know about the rest. As an aside I desperately would want to hire Marylands strength and conditioning coach
a few things
1.) My smile after the win was a bit wider thinking of all the Bills fans who have been wanting us to lose out being upset after George Wilson’s pick. We were never one of the five worst teams in the league and we won’t get a top 5 pick. But we can preserve our dignity and keep trying to win as many games as possible.
2.) Can I stop hearing how Poz doesn’t make plays anymore. Poz makes plays for our defense. Yet every time he does, some people on here post about how rare it was and how it was nice but that he doesn’t do it enough. And then a few weeks later we’re haing the same conversation. Cassel’s throw was disgusting but Poz still made the play. Whether its a big tackle, interception or forced fumble, Poz contributes.
3.) On the other hand, my patience for a guy I am a huge fan of is waning. Lee Evans needs to step it up. It really is unacceptable for a key member of our team and a very vital weapon to our offense to simply disappear for one catch for elevan yards against the Chiefs. THE CHIEFS! I’ve been making excuses for Lee for years and his QB and line stink but it doesnt matter. 1 catch, 11 yards against the Chiefs is gross.
4.) Who’s ready to play spoiler against hte Pats?? I AM! Revenge for Monday night and a chance to ruin their season. How awesome is that?
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
his QB and line stink but it doesnt matter.
Oh, it matters. It matters very much.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
blame it on coaching if you’d like as well, but one catch, 11 yards? Between the player and the coach, someone needed to find a way to get him involved.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Good god,
Have you seen what Lee Evans is working with? Can’t make catches when A) Your QB couldn’t hit a broad in Tiger Wood’s bedroom. B) They don’t bother even targeting him.
How come you’re not upset at TO? He had 2 receptions for 15 yards. No receiver got the ball today.
by twoeightnine on Dec 13, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Not even close.
Fitz is awful. Moulds played with Kelly, Flutie, and Bledsoe. Fitz isn’t even as accurate as Rob Johnson was and is on par with the one season Todd Collins started here.
by twoeightnine on Dec 13, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
He also played with
Todd Collins,Alex Van Pelt, Billy Joe Herbert,Rob Johnson, and a few other scrubs who names escape me at the moment.
Really, he played with Rob Johnson?
And Todd Collins? I didn’t notice. Billy Joe Hobert played 2 games of mop up duty. The few other scrubs that you don’t remember are Travis Brown, Travis Brown and Travis Brown as he was the only QB to take a snap during Moulds career here. And he did that for all of 1 game of mop up duty.
by twoeightnine on Dec 13, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
Way to forget Kelly Holcolm JP Losman and Drew Bledose
And yet despite not producing big stats till his 3rd season in the league(After Kelly was gone) he managed to finish with 9995 yards 49 touchdowns and 764 receptions. Along with making Peerless Price and Lee Evans look great. Do you really think Evans will accomplish all that?
I have indeed seen what hes working with, which is why I prefaced my statement with I’m a huge fan of his. I’ve defended him for years because i believe in him I was simply pointing out that I’m losing patience and was frustrated after a one catch performance against the Chiefs. I’m not mad at TO because I like Lee and its upsetting that such a talented receiver is not being used.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
So don't be mad at Lee
be made at the people who are not using him. There’s nothing he can do about it. He could have had a TD but Fitz threw the ball in between 3 defenders. That’s all on Fitz.
by twoeightnine on Dec 13, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
in the bigger picture your right
but it gets hard to keep blaming other people when he completely disappears. I realize I’m probably just frustrated but nonetheless, I expected Lee to at least show up against teams that are horrendous pass defenders.
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Fitz is so bad.
I’m ready to give
Trent one last shot before we discard him.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions
Im not
Trent needs to sit. It’s really the only shot he has of salvaging his career. I think Edwards still has a nice skillset but if you think he’s gonna go out and perform any different than he has to date this season……..your crazy. However a new coaching staff may be able to salvage him next season.
I think he has had the time to recover.
He deserves one last make or break shot,
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 13, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta say, I’ve always loved the POZ.
Nice that he had one of his best days of his career today, fun to watch him at his best.
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by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions
wait what?
he was dreadful today, besides the interception. how many tackles did he miss?
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He also made some nice tackles. He had a hit-and-miss day. He has a lot of those.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
that's exactly what I mean. That's what bad linebacker play is.
He wasn’t going to miss ALL the tackles. But a guy who misses a bunch of tackles and then makes “some” nice ones= a guy who didnt play well. Good linebackers won’t miss more than 1 or 2 tackles a game, if that.
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We were never one of the five worst teams in the league and we won’t get a top 5 pick. But we can preserve our dignity and keep trying to win as many games as possible.
Yay?
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Not to hijack this thread but Aaron Rodgers is killing me today!!! He had 7 points. It’s the playoffs, baby. Come on!
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by twoeightnine on Dec 13, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I definitely deserve that.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I believe someone with your name tweeted that if they lost in fantasy this week they never deserved to play it again.
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And I agree with that but Rodgers is KILLING ME!
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 13, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
Evans
You show me a receiver that catches balls that aren’t thrown to him and I’ll show you…… Well I can’t come up with anything but you get the picture. I wonder how many games have been won in the last 10 years where the QB threw for 86 yards? I can’t thnk of one good reason they wouldn’t play Brohm.
Because Brohms not ready to play.
I mean unless of course you want to destroy yet another Bills QB prospect. No matter how marginal he may or may not be.
then look at the threads from the past week.
can’t thnk of one good reason they wouldn’t play Brohm.
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One last time.
BROHM HAS EVEN SAID THAT HE’S NOT READY TO PLAY.
He doesn’t know the playbook. He doesn’t even know his teammates names yet. He does nothing in practice but play scout team. He will get killed behind this line. He will get his receivers killed when he doesn’t know the plays. He will do nothing this year except set himself up for further failure.
by twoeightnine on Dec 13, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
This^
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T.Lex doesn't want to be fed, he wants to hunt. Can't just suppress sixty five million years of gut instinct.
You sound like the Broncos fans who were complaining about putting in Simms. HOW’D THAT WORK OUT?
I wonder how many games have been won in the last 10 years where the QB threw for 86 yards?
How many did Derek Anderson throw in that borefest Bills/Browns game?
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by UZ on Dec 13, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
24 yards and a pick and he won.
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2/17. 4% of those yards (i.e. 1) were gained on the ground. The most dominant performance by a QB trying to lose his job in NFL history.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 14, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Chiefs game..............
……….the line run-blocked quite well…
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 13, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions
I really dislike watching Ryan Fitzpatrick play football.
Whoever runs the offensive play-calling next year, best get rid of the check down. I loathe the Buffalo Check Down.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 13, 2009 7:04 PM EST reply actions
every offense has a checkdown lol.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 13, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
but few teams make it their #1 play. No one can convince me this team should continue on with Fitzpatrick. Edwards should be re-evaluated on the field. I don’t see how any of the WRs can have more confidence in Fitzpatrick after today. He looked really bad against a really bad opponent.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 13, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Who on earth is trying to convince you of that?!
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by UZ on Dec 14, 2009 7:00 AM EST up reply actions
play hard
i would rather see the bills play hard and win some more games,show some potental,so maybe we could attract a big name general manager and or head coach
second worst game of the season
The Bills Browns debacle was the worst. I watched the game late on DVR. I can’t imagine how painful it must have been in real time. DVR cut the suffering by 60%. My overwhelming impression is that Fitz is just bad; he is inaccurate and the throw into triple coverage in the end zone was not the play of a professional QB. He made a great block on an open play to spring Lynch showing he is a football player – but not an NFL caliber starting QB. KC was horrible. They killed themselves with dropped passes and penalties. All the Poz lovers saw the good plays he made and all the Poz critics saw his missed tackles, bad angles and ineffective blitzes. Maybin continues to make his outside rush and take himself out of the play in obvious passing situations. Either the coaches don’t talk to him or he doesn’t listen to them. The empty stadium said it all.
Glad you mentioned the Fitzpatrick block. That was very obviously his best play on the day.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 13, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
Nic Harris
Wasn’t sure if this was mentioned in earlier posts, but how did Nic Harris do in his first start? I’m anxious to hear if he has potential for next year at the LB spot. Any thoughts?
by BillieverSince89 on Dec 13, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions
he looked solid to me. He was in on the first two tackles i think. This kid is going to be a player. He is very athletic and quick. He probably needs to put on a little more weight but looks very athletic. He also needs to get adjusted to playing LB since he was a safety. I think he will come along nicely next year.
not sure he was on the field that much – it was one of those games where he was never ever mentioned. the few times i actually looked for him, it looked like we were playing a lot of nickel coverage
that being said, the defense played pretty well yesterday, except for that one run, so who knows.
by quantumuprising on Dec 14, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Poz
Does not show the ability to shed blocks and make tackles. Worries me. I think he needs to be on the outside.
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except that, as Brian said today in the game thread,
hes bad in space.
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I think the general consensus is he’d be much better as an OLB if they had a great MLB to help him out.
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by UZ on Dec 14, 2009 7:04 AM EST up reply actions
not sold on poz yet, too much hype there. I will take this win and any other the Bills get this year. There is talent on this team, a lot more than they show in the win stat. I really think this team is about four players and a great coach away from getting it done. GO BYRD-MAN!!!
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by BigEasyBillsKrewe on Dec 14, 2009 12:41 AM EST reply actions
We got a win, which is never anything to complain about, its not like basketball where tanking actually nets you something
NFL drafting is still too much of a crap shot.
We made plays, we made bone headed mistakes, and we somehow pulled off a win against perhaps one of the worst teams to suit up in the NFL in years, if the Lions, Rams, Bucs and Browns didn’t exsist.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
Great headline-picture combo, Brian. :-)
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Maybin
I was pleasantly surprised to see Maybin get a sizable number of plays in this game. I only saw him have one good play on the vicious diving tackle for a loss. He did a poor job of getting the outside contain on a number of running plays, but that seems like it’s all a part of the growing process in this defense. I’m by no means saying he had a good game, but it’s really something to see someone of his size move as athletically as he does. I’m really happy the coaching staff is giving him a chance to play and it’s also nice to see him bring so much energy to the field.
I don’t have my notes in front of me, but if I remember correctly, Maybin played defensively on 12 of the Chiefs’ 69 offensive plays.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
my bad
I didn’t take notes and it just seemed like I was seeing 58 on defense when I looked up pretty frequently. I suppose 12 plays is about what he’s been playing. It just seemed like he was in for more 1st and 2nd downs than previously, but again I have no notes to back it up.
Actually, it’s slightly less than what he’s been getting. KC ran no-huddle on third downs a lot, which didn’t allow the Bills to sub and took 4-8 snaps away from him.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
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