Conflicting Interests: Bills beat Pats, or draft position?
by Ron From NM on Dec 13, 2009 9:27 PM EST
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PrintThe New England Patriots are heading to Ralph Wilson Stadium this coming Sunday. This is a Pats team the Buffalo Bills haven't beaten since, well, a couple of New England cast-offs (Drew Bledsoe, Lawyer Milloy) were leading the charge. People have already been complaining about Buffalo hurting draft position by not losing (can you honestly call that a win?) in Kansas City.
Here are the teams currently ahead of Buffalo on draft day:
- 1-win teams: Tampa Bay, St Louis
- 2-win teams: Cleveland, Detroit
- 3-win teams: Kansas City
- 4-win teams: Oakland, Washington
Those are the likely top seven picks, in some order. Someone with more time on their hands can figure out whether Oakland or Washington would pick first but, really, who cares at this point? Here's where things get more interesting:
- 5-win teams: Buffalo, Chicago, Carolina, Seattle, San Francisco
It's a good bet that Buffalo would be picking near the end of that list, just because, well, its Buffalo. Didn't Buffalo wind up picking after San Fran two years in a row? Assuming the worst--always a safe bet with the Bills--Buffalo would currently be picking 12th. Sure, you can look it up and figure out where the Bills really fall in that 5 team glut of suckiness but, again, what's the point? Besides, Buffalo may add a win before all is said and done. Here are the current teams just behind Buffalo in the draft, which is another way of saying they're ahead of Buffalo in the win column:
- 6-win teams: Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Houston, Atlanta
Should Buffalo come by another non-loss before the end of the season the Bills could be picking as late as #16. Think about that for a second. The league is so lopsided this season that a 6 win team could wind up picking in the middle of the first round.
That brings us to the Patriots game. Winning that game could, in theory, drop Buffalo from around pick #8 to possibly all the way down to No. 16. That's a huge swing.
But it's the Patriots. Buffalo could put a stake in the heart of Bill Belichick's playoff dreams and remove Brady's best excuse for not changing loaded diapers in January.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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I voted for a Buffalo win, by the way. If we were talking about the Falcons or Colts I’d probably vote the other way—not that I would be able to keep myself from rooting for Buffalo anyway—but it’s the Patriots. Maybe Brady, in a fit of pique, would hurl a few of the loaded diapers at Belicheat….
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Agreed, putting a dagger into the heart of Patriots nation by possibly denying them a chance to make the playoffs
THAT is worth any drop in draft pick position to me. We NEED this win. And we need to make the Patriots fans weep for not being able to go to the playoffs.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Fewell, common sense says to play UP on the line against the slant.
That’s a great point. The game would maybe mean a little less if the Pats were three games up on everybody else in the division, but beating the Pats would make things very interesting. I think it would be funny to see a crappy Jets team sneak into the playoffs over the Pats and then lose by 20 points to a wildcard team like Miami did last year.
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Think about all the money we could save… Dropping from #8 to #16 is 10s of millions for the life of a contract. With our history of 1st round draft picks, I will take the money and possibly use the savings to get some quality depth guys in FA.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 13, 2009 9:40 PM EST reply actions
I am torn
I always want the Bills to win, but if they won against the Pats, I have 2 major fears. #1 I think it would definitely hurt or draft position as described above. #2 and most importantly, I DO NOT want to give anyone in the current regime anything to hang there hat on when it comes to this season. I want a new GM and director of pro scouting and director of college scouting. I am afraid that if we were to win against the Pats, Ralph may think things are looking up and keep everything status quo.
Nah
I suspect that Fewell will get a Rooney rule sham interview but not be a serious candidate for the position.
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by Ron From NM on Dec 13, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
I think I figured it out right
If Buffalo loses out and Oakland wins 1 more (last week of season versus Cleveland), I think we would pick 7th
WIN!
In my opinion, you always have to root for your team to win. Like Jason said, if we do drop a few spots in the draft order, we would save some money and have more flexibility to sign some other players. Also, I think it would be good for the players on the team to beat New England. The could really help their confidence when they play them next year. How many players on the roster were around the last time the Bills beat NE. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Moorman, Schobel, Kelsay, and Reed.
I like the confidence angle. I should have thought to have put it in the post.
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by Ron From NM on Dec 13, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I like that point too. It’s good for the young guys to see all their hard work pay off with some wins too. When you’re working towards winning the division and making the playoffs, it’s better motivation than working towards keeping your job while the team rebuilds. Confidence is a big deal.
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This is why I voted for a win
A good scouting department (which we already have) along with a good GM (hopefully we will get) can put together a great draft regardless of where they pick.
Winning this game would go a long way to helping the confidence of the team.
I hate this topic
Why should we ever root against the Bills in any way? To get some prized higher draft position? We haven’t exactly taken advantage of that the last decade. We don’t see the Bills win too often, I’ll take a win anytime we get one. Especially if that win comes against NE.
I’d take a win over the Pats any day, especially if the “cost” of that win is a couple of spots in draft positioning. It’s not like we’ll have a chance at the QB’s, who should go early, or Suh. There will be a number of similar OT prospects available when we pick, along with maybe the top LB (McClain) prospect.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 14, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
a good place to start rebuilding this teams psyche
is by beating the Patriots. Sometimes I wonder if the season would have been different if week 1 hadnt ended like it did. Either way, in my opinion beating the Patriots does more for this team’s long term success than picking 8 spots higher in the draft.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
It goes beyond draft position
If we go on a mini-streak or win a few games, it benefits us for multiple reasons. First, we get to see victories. Duh, why else do you root for a team other than to see them win?
Second, picking at the very top of the draft is risky, especially with how huge the contracts will be this year. It’s much better to pick from 5-10 and get a player of a similar caliber with much less money owed. Also, this draft is pretty deep and there are only a few projected in the top 5 who fit the Bills’ needs. Let’s face it, even if we lost all our games, we’re not getting Suh or Okung unless they screw up somehow between now and draft day. Good teams draft well regardless of position. And besides, it’s not like there’s another Manning brother or some other can’t-miss QB at the top of the draft.
Last, and probably most importantly, winning and being competitive, especially on defense, will make this a more attractive position for a new coach and GM. Right now, our primary target is Shanahan, who is an offensive coach. If he sees that we play relatively good defense and are opportunistic with turnovers, he’s more likely to want to coach here. In that case, he wouldn’t have to fix as much and would be more intrigued by only having to worry about an offensive overhaul. Playing hard and winning makes the job much more attractive than having the #5 pick over the #11 pick.
by Dr. Brackish Okun on Dec 14, 2009 1:37 AM EST reply actions
Winning should be the only goal...
Rooting for draft position rather than a victory is not only no fun, but is bound to get you even more frustrated and cynical in the long-run. I realize that we’re all impatient about the playoff drought. Even with a high draft position, though, it might be years before we see a deep playoff run, and decades before we see a Super Bowl (which is the ultimate goal). And even with a medium draft slot, we could still make a run (assuming we get a decent GM, etc.).
Rather than worrying so much about whether a win will move us down a slot or two, it makes more sense just to root for a win — every Sunday , no matter the cost to our draft position. Then, if the Bills lose, find solace in the silver lining of a better draft pick.
The order should always be: (1) root for a win; (2) take comfort in the better draft position.
I voted for a Bills win.
A win against that Madden team is like a win in the SB – i’d imagine, anyway. Have no fear, the Bills won’t win this game. That would mean this team has an identity.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2009 7:10 AM EST reply actions
This team needs to win
You cannot expect these guys to go out and not try, if they lose, they lose and maybe we get a better pick. If they win Good for us.
I will always root for the win but it is easier to take a lose now.
Go buffalo…beat the Pats!
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Draft position
is determined by a coin flip and then rotated in subsequent rounds look at the 2009 draft with us and the 49ers we drafted 11th in the first rd we lost the coin flip and then 10th in the second rd … we have to win this game agianst the Pats its huge… we need to stay out of the top ten…. that is a blessing not a curse top ten picks are prohibitivley expensive and we need to spend money on free agents not draft picks (Logan Mankins IMO)… also i want Perry Fewell to get the job he IMO is very similar to MIke Tomlin he is cheap labor not 10 million a year like some coaches and he is young and fiery with a great knowledge of this team … he deserves the job
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we need to spend money on free agents not draft picks
I don’t know if this is the popular opinion around here.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
It is with me. We’ve done a terrible job with getting free agents in the past several years (know full well the Stroud and Florence exceptions). I’m all for building through the draft, but I’m also big on getting some legitimate vets in here to help rookies learn how to play their positions correctly. Sadly, this year probably won’t be flush with FA talent since the CBA won’t be extended.
Also, one thing I noticed: Adalius Thomas is on the outs with Belichick. If that goes badly and he gets cut, I’d take him. He can’t be TOO pricey after this down year (currently averaging $4-7M/year) and would want some serious revenge after the relationship soured. Just a pipe dream, but I like to dream at this point in the season.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 14, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Haha. I think you told me that last time and I completely forgot. Awesome. Well, it only goes to further my point. What quality free agents do we really bring in ever?
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Mitchell, Lindell, Walker and Dockery (though we had to grossly overpay for both), Terrell Owens, Florence, Hang(?). Should I count Bryan Scott? :-P
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 14, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
I said quality free agents. That knocks Walker and Dock out immediately. Mitchell is ok but nothing special. TO was a fluke and nobody was beating down his door at the time. It’s not like that thought even came from the pro personnel department. I made the exception for Florence and Hang has not been particularly special, though certainly an upgrade from the feces-soaked sad-sacks that were there last year.
So I’m willing to concede about 4 of those 8 as being quality, but not elite, signings. In 7 years.
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I believe Thomas is around 32 years old
I doubt a rebuilding franchise would be interested in him, and vice versa….
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I feel like that’s the same mistake we made in this last go-around, though. We had all kinds of rookies, but we didn’t bring in any experience. The more I think about it, the more I figure you’re probably right, but I still think bringing in some vet help would be beneficial to us if we want to turn this thing around quickly.
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I don’t think it was a coin flip. Buffalo lost out due to strength of schedule, never mind that San Fran had beaten Buffalo.
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If San Fran beat Buffalo, wouldn’t they get the lower pick? I thought a win is a loss in the draft, no matter what way you look at it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 14, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
Last year the 49ers and Bills each finished 7-9. The 49ers beat the Bills but picked 10th while Buffalo picked 11th.
Of course we could make things more challenging, Lisa, but then the stupider students would be in here complaining, furrowing their brows in a vain attempt to understand the situation--Seymour Skinner
It has to do with strength of schedule as opposed to wins/losses vs common opponents.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
The NFL draft doesn’t use head to head or record vs. common opponents. I’m not quite sure why.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 14, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah you’d figure it’s a better way to determine the worse team than flipping a coin. If the goal is to give the worst teams the best picks, head to head makes a ton of sense. Point differential or something like that could work too.
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Yeah, it’s strength of schedule with the team who played the weaker opponents picking first. The coin flip is if two teams have an identical record and strength of schedule.
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Actually, after strength of schedule, it goes to the normal tiebreakers if the teams are in the same conference. Then the coin flip.
http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 17, 2009 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, Krenn and Matt. Good to know.
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You were right if they are in different conferences. Then they do not apply the conference record tiebreaker.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 18, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
I’ll put together the draft order post this afternoon.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 14, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
My take
I consider myself a die hard Bills fan – would say that all of us do as well. As such, we all have the same goal – win a championship.
Winning a championship is not easy – heck making the playoffs isn’t easy – actually, (ask DJ), winning a single game in the NFL isn’t easy. But obvioulsy winning a championship is the most difficult thing to do in football.
To me – that comes with sacrifices. In order to compete year in and year out with the elite teams you obviously must have the players. To me – getting the best players available should be the goal when a season is over.
Now, I would never want my team to quit on the season and I hope they would never – but as far as rooting for them to beat a NE team in a meaningless December game when that one loss could potentially grab us a game changing type player is something i’m not willing to do.
My goal is to win a championship – if that means sacrifices in the way of losing meaningless games in December then so be it.
I, personally, really don’t have any rivals so that means nothning to me. To me – our rival is who we play next – not some team like NE just because they are in our division. every week should be a rivalry against who we play.
I understand pride or what have you, but i’m not wired that way. I’m one of the few that are willing to take the shot to the nuts if thats what makes this team win a championship. To me – grabbing an QB at 6,7,8 that can will us to wins instead of taking a LB or LT at 16 is more important.
I want a ring – if that means losing out the string then so be it. You can talk about pride, about confidence, about never rooting against the Bills. But as a true die hard fan that wants a ring – if this is the crap filled mud hole that we have to walk through in order to get that ring – then i’m willing to do it.
Never put salt in your eyes
Beating the Pansies at home would mean more than a draft pick. We need to break the steak of loses to them!
But I like steak!
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We’ve lost to them like 12 straight times. We need to slay the beast and get the monkey of the back.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 14, 2009 10:22 AM EST reply actions
How many of us can actually make a choice here?
In my heart I could never, ever, ever, ever hope for a Bills loss, no matter what the logic. I can’t choose to root against the Bills – no matter what the situation, what our record is, what the playoff or draft scenarios are, when kickoff time comes around my heart says “GO Bills!”
" How many of us can actually make a choice here?
In my heart I could never, ever, ever, ever hope for a Bills loss, no matter what the logic. I can’t choose to root against the Bills – no matter what the situation, what our record is, what the playoff or draft scenarios are, when kickoff time comes around my heart says "GO Bills!""
Amen to this. YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!
I voted for a win
Simply stated nothing feels better then beating Pats/Jets/Dolphins. And I have to say when I saw the Saints pound the Pats the look on Belichek/Bradys face was priceless, I would love to see that after a Bills victory!
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
i could go either
way but beating the Pats would be great for this organization. A top 10 pick or a top 16 pick I really don’t care. What matters is who the hell is selecting the picks. I say win out if we can. Id much rather pick #19, save money, build momentum for next year than be picking #8. Besides Suh and possibly Locker, there isn’t a player I have to have in the top ten. So to me, where we draft is just something you can’t worry about
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Beat the Pats, and lose out...
I still want R Moss to get at least a TD for my playoff fantasy matchup next week. RANDY, PULL IT TOGETHER MAN!!!
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If you ever wish for a loss..you are not a true fan.
What is the point of even watching if you don’t want them to win? And enough with the draft talk before the season ends.
I hate the “you are not a true fan” stuff. I don’t think anyone has an opinion on their favorite team that is ill-intentioned.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 14, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
agreed.....
I understand the “I hope they lose out” perspective….because they want the team to get the highest draft pick possible so that its “supposedly” one of the best overall players available which would hopefully improve the team…………I just hate losing period…..thats my take on it…
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 14, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
I have many thoughts on this subject. I thought about this yesterday and was hoping the topic came up so I can share my opinion.
Completely 100% you have to root for a win against the Patriots. And heres why:
1) Its the Pats and I hate them, they are my personal Super Bowl. Plus I’m still heated about them running up the score in 2007 on MNF.
2) A win over the Pats will show progress for the players, I can’t imagine how good Lee Evans is going to feel if he beats the Pats.
3) A higher draft pick doesnt mean a better player when you actually see how he plays in the NFL
4) Not one single player in the draft is going to make this team a contender. Especially not with a brand new regime in its first year.
5) Our top 3 needs are OL, DL, and QB. All 3 positions take more than one year in order to become major factors on the team.
- This will come with debate but I think it is mostly agreed upon that unless your getting some serious talent at these positions, its going to take a year to develop.
6) Just based on percentages, how many teams go from 5-11 to the playoffs in the next year vs a better record going to the playoffs.
7) Whether you agree or not, the Bills have to rebuild there tradition and reputation, winning 5 games in a year does no help with progression.
I dont know if DL is the 2nd biggest need...
LB might be moreso than DL.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 14, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
LBs are included in the DL category. Thats more personal preference, but i think we can agree on the top 3 needs. I’m of the build your trenches camp tho
im definitely on board with the building of the trenches.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 15, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
How about this reason?
The following players have never beaten the Patriots and played them more than five times:
Lee Evans (lost to the Pats 11 times!)
Marshawn Lynch
Paul Pozluszny
Fred Jackson
Donte Whitner
Kyle Williams
John McCargo
Roscoe Parrish
Get the monkey off the back!
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Oh no! Poor John McCargo!
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Yeah, how can Roscoe Parrish sleep at night?
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Likely on very expensive sheets. And likely not alone.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 16, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Bills Win
Anytime we can beat New England and ruin their playoff hopes, I am in favor of. No guarantee that we will draft anybody who will end up playing for us anyhow – Look at Maybin – doh!
As Buffalo Sports Daily reported today… there’s still a chance. We need to win out. THe Dolphins and Pats need to lose out. The Jets can only win one game. Just sayin’.
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Take comfort in the fact that NE plays JAX. There’s no way they lose that game. None.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 16, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Why ‘JAX’ and not ‘BUF’?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 16, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
There is no chance
Even if the math might suggest otherwise….
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Ron… It’s a bit late to comment, but it’s almost always better to play to win. Each player has to demonstrate their value to the Bills and other prospective teams. And the Bills could demonstrate their value to a prospective coach by showing some heart and character. It would be nice not to have to stomach a full rebuilding effort, and the core group of young talent could demonstrate that—with the right front office personnel and coaching—the Bills aren’t that far away from being a winning ball club. Not that it would be the deciding criteria…but it could help in the effort to bag a big name coach.
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it seems everyone forgetting...
the pats have a say in this game too!!!!
Bills lose in Buffalo just as easily as on the road
I'm in a good place right now...
because I’ll be happy whether they win or lose. It’s one step closer to finally getting this miserable season over with. If we win I’ll be happy because we’ve finally gotten that humongous Pats-monkey off our back. If we lose, we’re more likely to be picking in the top 10. I’m satisfied either way. I don’t want Fewell back as the HC. If he wins 2 out of the next 3, there’s an increased chance of things remaining largely intact as they’re currently constructed. That would be a bad thing as far as the ultimate solution to curbing our losing ways.
There’s no chance that Fewell is back next year in any capacity. Wilson wants change and Fewell represents the status quo. Oh, and his defenses have routinely been the worst in the league at stopping the run for the past several seasons.
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I'm only gonna be happy.
If the Bills win.
I have a healthy hate for the Patriots.
They are the Dolphins of my generation.
I want to see the dagger stuck in Belicheats heart.
It’s been too long.
This draft isn’t that great anyway, I’ll give up a few spots in the draft to see Belicheat look like he did at the end of the Colts game.
Totally worth it to me :)
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