The Richie Incognito File
As you're all probably aware, the Buffalo Bills on Wednesday evening claimed controversial guard Richie Incognito off of waivers from the Rams. A third-round pick of St. Louis in 2005, Incognito was waived earlier this week after drawing two blatant personal fouls in a loss at Tennessee that culminated in his getting into a verbal spat with Rams rookie head coach Steve Spagnuolo.
Now, Incognito joins a battered Bills offensive line with a chance at playing right away. The Bills currently have one reserve interior linemen - Christian Gaddis - and to say that Incognito outstrips Gaddis in the talent department is an understatement.
We know how Bills linebacker Kawika Mitchell feels about the move. He had something of a stuff-foot-into-mouth moment on Wednesday night, saying he was disappointed by the move and referring to Incognito as a "bum," among other things. How did others react to the move? Find out after the jump.
Incognito the player
Keeping in mind that he missed the entirety of his rookie season due to injury, Incognito has started 44 games over the past four seasons, including nine this year with the Rams. Possessing the talent and disposition to play either guard spot or center, Incognito might have gone higher in the '05 draft - even with the knee injury he sustained at the NFL Combine - had he not been a complete head case.
In 2005, Daniel Jeremiah was a scout for the Baltimore Ravens. He was at the Combine when Incognito's knee injury happened, and recalled the story when last night's news broke on his Twitter page:
Incognito story: During OL drill at combine, he was so out of control, I said he was going to hurt himself, tore his acl 1 min later, no lie
Up to that point, Incognito had had an amazing Combine performance, running a 4.84-second 40-yard dash at 305 pounds. Scouts raved about his short-area burst, his outstanding athleticism and the nastiness with which he played the game of football. Incognito's problem was, and remains, that he couldn't turn that demeanor off when not on the field.
Incognito the offender
STLtoday.com put together a story earlier this week detailing all of Incognito's offenses in his short career. In short, since November of 2006, Incognito has had seven separate incidents arise, which led to $37,500 in fines and, this week, his release from the team that drafted him.
The fines and personal fouls are obvious issues, but it's his attitude toward Rams fans that raised eyebrows the highest. These two incidents happened in 2008:
Nov. 20, 2008: Criticizes St. Louis fans. "Our fans get in their seats, they don't know how to cheer, when to cheer."
Nov. 23, 2008: Leaving the field after a loss to Chicago, he cups his hands to his ears, encouraging more abuse from fans.
We've seen players get frustrated with fans in the past. Heck, Matt Cassel told fans to "shut the [fudge] up" during Kansas City's loss to Buffalo this past weekend. One little outburst is one thing; two outbursts in a four-day window is another animal entirely.
Then, roughly a year later, he head-butted opponents twice. In the same game. Raise your hand if you're surprised he was released.
Rams fans aren't fussed "Cogs" is gone
Let's make this perfectly clear: the Rams have had massive issues along their offensive line for the past several years. They, more than the vast majority of NFL teams, need talented players up front. It's telling in that light, as well, that Rams fans, in general, aren't fussed with Incognito's departure.
Major mixed feelings about this... You just know he’ll land on a great team and flourish. But I assume the Rams need to make this move.
Luv ya COGS!!! But you were just killing the other guys on the team-- So don’t get head-butted in the ass on your way out the door!
As a coach Spags made the best move he could. Remember Defiance spreads like a disease. Without cutting this short, it would make his communication and validity difficult to get to the guys. There is no doubt the guy has talent and can play the position, but you just can’t have that free range of stupidness on the field. Spags is trying to preach effort and discipline, and Cogs was only half there. Good call on the cut and I am impressed with the response by Cogs… well said guy.
this is the right move, but what a waste of real football talent right there. when he wasn’t being stupid he was easily one of the better guards in the league.
I'm not a fan of this move but I have to give credit to Spags and trust the decision. It definitely sends shock waves through the locker room. If somehow you didn’t think the players knew who was in charge, well the do now.
It’s about time that the Rams let him go. This hot-headed jerk will never learn how to control himself and play football. That is why it took 3 colleges for him to graduate! He must have majored in STUPIDITY!!!!! Hopefully Nebraska will forget that he once represented their team. We know that the Rams fans have had enough!!Wherever he ends up trouble will follow. He’s a bad seed. Although quite talented, he really did need to go.
Those are just a few of the choice samplings from Turf Show Times.
Now, with veteran Kendall Simmons - already a Bills fill-in at right guard - missing practice on Wednesday, Incognito, in joining his new team in Buffalo, has a legitimate chance at suiting up and seeing field time for Buffalo this Sunday. In many ways, Buffalo looks like Incognito's last chance at resurrecting a once-promising pro football career. Forget what his teammates think of him. Incognito has tabula rasa - but he also needs to be placed on a zero-tolerance policy.
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You just know he’ll land on a great team and flourish.
Ha!!
Can’t wait for his first personal foul!
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
at least he earns his personal fouls.
As bad as it sounds, i’d rather one of our lineman get penalties for bringing the pain instead of jumping the snap count…
by quantumuprising on Dec 17, 2009 8:56 AM EST up reply actions
As bad as it sounds, I agree – of course, if he’s getting a personal foul on a potential game-winning / game-tying drive, that’s a different story – but luckily, the bills don’t see too many of those drives.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
With Levitre and Wood's temperment, this could turn into one mean, nasty line.
From the sounds of it, the guy was just frustrated with loosing. If they start winning, we might not have to worry about these silly antics.
Trample the weak, hurdle the dead!
Well, he's not landing on a great team.
So he’s got some time to worry about flourishing.
by twoeightnine on Dec 17, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
We could use a little attitude.
I think this is a proactive move and I like it.
Founding member of the Dick Jauron Fan Club.
I do not have a problem with this
often guys need a wake up call..maybe he will learn…maybe not but with the injuries we have had and the possability of wood not being back next year this is a smart move.
If he does not come to see the error of his ways then at the end of the season we let him go. But with a new LT this coming draft this line could be kinda good and kinda mean.
Just thinnk….Rookie LT – Levitre – Wood or Hang – Cog – Bell or Butler or Maridith
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Just wanted to make a couple of comments.
I’m a St. Louis native and I follow the Rams as the local team and I get to see almost every game on TV. So I just wanted to mention a couple other things about Incognito that I’ve seen over the years.
First off, the guy does have talent, he is an excellent blocker. However, as has been noted, he is an extremely hot headed guy. As Brian noted, he was released after getting 2 personal fouls for headbutting opponents in the Tennessee game. He also got 2 personal foul penalties for headbutting opponents against Seattle in week 1 this year. I cannot even count the number of unnecessary roughness and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties this guy has gotten over the last few years. The worst part of it, is at least half a dozen of them have negated a big play or a TD.
As for the fans issue, I haven’t read the STLtoday.com article Brian referred to, but I know that in the original article where Richie was saying that the Rams fans don’t know how to cheer, he continued to blast them through the whole article. He also insulted the rest of his former teammates right after he was released:
It’s obvious what the team needs here — and it’s talent. It’s not a lack of coaching. And it’s not a lack of desire. It’s just a lack of talent right now.
If he works out for you guys and gets his act together, you will have a farily good guard with good blocking skills. But you’ll have to figure out a way to calm down his temper, or it will only be a matter of time before he costs you guys big with his stupid penalties.
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LOL
I dunno, but he could definitely use some. I’m just glad that somebody with a worse record than us put a waiver claim on him, because I really did not want to see him on the Dolphins. I’ve seen him kill way too many drives.
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I know it’s a ban substance unless prescribed in baseball. Probably the same thing in the NFL, although I wouldn’t think the energy and focus boost would be as needed in football as it is in baseball.
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Thanks Chupathing. Appreciate your input.
But I really wouldn’t consider this insulting his teammates:
It’s obvious what the team needs here — and it’s talent. It’s not a lack of coaching. And it’s not a lack of desire. It’s just a lack of talent right now.
The Rams have won 1 game. You need o-linemen, wide receivers, a qb, and plenty of defense. He wasn’t bashing his teammates – he was complementing a coach that just kicked him to the curb and merely stating the obvious.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
True, and I can see that.
And it’s true, the Rams do have a lack of talent at a lot of positions. It just came across that he was saying there was no talent on the team. At least, that is how some people here are perceiving his comments. I guess its just a matter of how you see things.
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by Chupathingy on Dec 17, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
he shouldnt have a problem with BILLS fans!!
I feel Buffalo fans are the best and can really change the tempo of a game when they get involved!!
COGS should never be dissapointed with us!
maybe this is like karma balancing the scales
if wood would have been an ingognito type talent on the field and he is gone for a long time and we get this guy and he knows its his last chance and that has had an effect on some players then maybe its a wash we get our solid guard of the future and we move on cautiusoly with this piece of garbage on our OL
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Is this the same guy who went WWF on a player during a game?
I don’t think so, as I seem to recall the QB being defended was Aaron Brooks.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 17, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions
That guy was the best
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Lets see if he plays,
then lets see what Marshawn, Freedy and Fitz can do with him in there. The difference between a PF and IP is ten yards, not exactly Fitzy’s strength.
Excuses are a sign of weakness!!!!!!
How does Incognito get along with teammates?
That’s the key to whether this could work. Old school dirty players (Dobler, Butkus) had fair to good relationships. How did he get along with the other Ram players?
Old Dobler story. When he played with the Bills, he was past his prime, but was the same as ever. When the Bills played SD in the playoffs, they had a camera on him for a lot of the game. On one play, after Ferguson threw a deep pass, all the linemen turned and looked downfield. Dobler gave a quick look left and right to make sure the refs weren’t looking, then sucker punched Louie Kelcher in the gut, doubled him over. Whatever it takes.
I don’t remember for sure, but I thought Merlin Olsen called that game. He had a vendetta against Dobler (probably because he was an defensive lineman that was abused by Conrad himself) and made sure he pointed out every punch, kick, spit, eye poke or leg whip the offensive lineman committed. Eventually, Dobler would be penalized for simply walking on to the field and had to retire. But in his short tenure with the Bills, I don’t remember him causing any issues off the field or in the locker room.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Dobler was the first in my mind too
when I read of Cogs…LOL!! I remember that game, and it suited Dobler’s motive to a “T”… His objective was to get the opponents so pissed at him, all they wanted to do during the game, was get even with him!!!! I miss that type of player, so I guess you could say I welcome Cogs with open arms….
I think it's the other way around
The defenders get into Incognito’s head and he gets ticked at them….hence all his personal foul and unsportsmanlike conduct penalties.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
another car just slammed into the ugly, bloody car wreck from yesterday
If you thought you couldn’t turn away before, more scintillating drama arrives in the name of Incognito, who has probably the most ironic name in sports when compared to his personality. He is anything BUT incognito!
AGREED!!
I cant wait for this weekends game now! I hope he does play and is the difference maker on our beatup OL.
by Billsfanatic on Dec 17, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
What ever happened to C H A R A C T E R?
I was a bit lukewarm to the whole “character” concept preached by Marv Levy in the first place. It’s a major plus, but talent should be higher on the list. This signing is interesting in what it says about the Bills, in terms of a change in philosophy, confidence in their current roster and degree of desperation. Incognito is definitely not the type of guy I would expect the Bills to pick-up. It’s ok to give the guy a clean slate…but Brian’s right, he needs to be on a nano leash.
I remember when the Bills picked up Conrad Dobler, another lineman with the “dirty” stigmata. He was actually quite decent at times; that is, when he wasn’t leg whipping an opposing defensive lineman. However, he always seemed in control and was crafty in his extrapolation of the rulebook.
Incognito on the other hand, seems to model himself after the infected in “28 Days Later”. He must be quarantined the moment he starts foaming at the mouth.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Tabula rasa (Latin: blank slate) refers to the epistemological thesis that individuals are born without built-in mental content and that their knowledge comes from experience and perception.
Generally proponents of the tabula rasa thesis favour the “nurture” side of the nature versus nurture debate, when it comes to aspects of one’s personality, social and emotional behaviour and intelligence.
Just to help some of us out…
If Incognito himself has said the Rams had great coaching, then his own actions would tend to skew the judgment of him and his behavior towards “nature.”
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by thefourwinds on Dec 17, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah and then Heroes stole it and ruined it. I hate Heroes.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, holy crap, you’re definitely not.
I used to love Heroes, too, and then it crapped all over my happiness.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 17, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I’m trying my best to hang with it. It’s made a bit of a comeback this season but they introduced these weird new villains that just came out of nowhere. The writing seems to be getting better though and they actually seem like they have an idea of where they want to go, which was definitely lacking in the first couple of seasons.
I was thinking the same thing, we have some one that can rival Vince’s dirty style twice a year. We should put him at center just for that reason
by The Buffalonian on Dec 17, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Cogs will just start a fight with Wilpork and they can just give each other serious concussions. Either way, Wilpork can no longer get away with his cheap, dirty play against the Bills.
by Kello on Dec 17, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Cogs will just start a fight with Wilpork
If Jauron was still here you would never have seen this. Cogs is to messy and mean for him. A team needs a enforcer to make the other teams hesitate to do cheap shots, if they know we have someone to retaliate, just like hockey.
I will listen and learn
desperate move
for a desperate team. i don’t see him cracking the lineup but he does have potential. however, the last thing the bills need moving forward is more distractions. maybe cogniito and t.o. can have their own t.v. show on another team next year, cuz i doubt either will be back next year.
Later Losman!
hahaha, better get the scissors and the chequebook out.
Later Losman!
by rockybillboa on Dec 17, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Ah – good point. That was just a 1-year, $1 million contract, so he’ll be getting around $180K from the Bills.
I wonder – if he had any incentive bonuses, which team would have to pay that? I mean, if he got a bonus for starting 8+ games, the Rams clearly would have to pay, but if he had one for starting 12 games, and then started 9 for StL and 3 for Buffalo, is either team on the hook for it?
Don’t see him cracking the lineup? This OL is in tatters. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to see him play.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 17, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
love it.
you gotta figure he’ll play at least 1 good game before he starts to go insane right? i’m excited just to see a good blocker out there on sunday!
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agreed
what will this be the 9th lineup for o-linemen in B-lo. marone its a wonder we’ve won 5 with three to play!
Later Losman!
by rockybillboa on Dec 17, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
billy bob vs the pats
this will be a fun game a+ move by the bills
I wouldn't call cupping your hands to your ears an "outburst"
Doesn’t an outburst have to involve, you know, speech?
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