John Fox as Head Coach
by WagonCircler12 on Dec 18, 2009 9:26 PM EST
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PrintSo I was reading an article by Peter King today, about coaching positions throughout the league. It is pretty widely known that Bill Cowher wants the Carolina job because he already lives in the area and his daughter can finish school there. What is intriguing about this is that for him to be the coach, John Fox would obviously not be there any longer. He's been to a super bowl with an average quarterback in Jake Delhomme. I believe his style of coaching would do well in Buffalo. And with it looking like Shanahan will probably end up in Washington, Gruden not coming back, and Holmgren not wanting to coach...This looks like a pretty good option to me. And if I were to guess, Delhomme probably won't be back in Carolina next year, and I believe he would come along with Fox and be our stopgap QB for a year. I know he has a lot of turnovers, but at least he goes downfield, he is definitely a leader, and would be a good mentor for a young QB. And if Fox were to hire a Charlie Weis or some other QB developer for an OC, I really feel like we would be in a great spot for the organization.
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Because he is insane...
That franchise is broke so bad that the Raiders laugh at them.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 18, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Please remind me...... What is our record vs Cleveland lately? Yeah, that could be the reason.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
But who’s got the better overall record? In terms of broke-to-hell, Cleveland is worse off than we are and it’s not by a small margin.
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by WhyBillsWhy on Dec 19, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Really?????
from http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/
Cleveland Browns Franchise Encyclopedia
Regular Season Record (all-time) : 477-387-13
Playoff Record (all-time) : 16-20 (Last appearance after 2002 season)
Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 0 appearances
Championships Won: 8
Buffalo Bills Franchise Encyclopedia
Regular Season Record (all-time) : 353-392-8
Playoff Record (all-time) : 14-15 (Last appearance after 1999 season)
Super Bowls Won: 0 out of 4 appearances
Championships Won: 2
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Sure. But if we take the last ten years (after all how much can history more recent than that really matter?), it looks more like this:
CLE: (56-117, 1 playoff appearance)
Year W L
-—- -- --
2009 2 11
2008 4 12
2007 10 6
2006 4 12
2005 6 10
2004 4 12
2003 5 11
2002 9 7
2001 7 9
2000 3 13
1999 2 14
BUF: (76-97, 1 playoff appearance)
Year W L
-—- -- --
2009 5 8
2008 7 9
2007 7 9
2006 7 9
2005 5 11
2004 9 7
2003 6 10
2002 8 8
2001 3 13
2000 8 8
1999 11 5
We have a third more wins than they do in that time frame. That’s not insignificant. Don’t get me wrong, neither of us has had much success in the recent past. The fact is, though that we’ve consistently been in the lower part of the middle of the pack and they’ve consistently been at the bottom. They have 7 seasons with 5 or fewer wins. We have 3.
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What makes 10 years the majic number? Maybe you should only look at the last 5 years?
HIstory is history and it all matters, or else the HOF should be torn down.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Glad you mentioned that.
CLE: (26-51, 0 playoff appearances)
BUF: (31-46, 0 playoff appearances)
Again, not much better, but we’re still better. The Browns’ record is largely helped by that miracle season with Anderson playing way above himself while we were dealing with QB injuries.
I disagree that “all history” matters. If you look at the Chiefs before this year, they were in a bad, bad place that they’re still trying to get out of. They had a good stretch in the 60’s and again in the 90’s, even a decent run with Vermeil. That will bring their overall average win record up. Everyone saw they were going in a bad direction though, and a major shift was needed. It’s the same for us. It’s the same for the Browns. It doesn’t matter what the total historical record of the teams is.
Maybe I threw you off when I said “overall record”. I didn’t exactly mean W-L record. It was more like track record of not completely imploding. They’ve had a lot of seasons with 4 or fewer wins. That’s just soul-crushing and it gets into your blood. We’ve actually remained relatively competitive in most of our seasons. Not against the Pats obviously. We’ve had a bad 2 year stretch. But it’s nothing like the Browns.
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not that it matters.......
but you went back 11 years…….lol
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 20, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
does that include the original cleveland browns? you kno the team now known as the Baltimore ravens?
He doesn’t want to coach Cleveland. That’s the key word. He’s going to be their “football czar,” a la Parcells in Miami.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 19, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions
And the Bills weren’t offering that job yet. Something else to consider.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Delhomme? Are you kidding? I started taking the Panthers in the Author’s Picks specifically because Delhomme wasn’t playing—-and the Panthers won, mainly because they didn’t have to overcome 4-5 Delhomme INTs. He’s horrible.
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Foxy is a realistic candidate for this team.
I think he is a solid coach, but he showed some uncanny loyalty to Delhomme when the guy threw too many picks game after game……after game………after………game.
He is the type of coach that fits the “Bills” profile. Retread coach who is in the second tier of potential candidates. I guess I’m 50/50 on him right now.
7 games and counting!!!
I like Fox
cuz he is conservative run first type offensive sheme that Bffalo could excel in we have two good backs so does carolina are oline could be much improved with a signing in the offseaon and a high draft pick we have lee evans who could be our deep threat just like steve smith, the only thing i dont like is his willingness to trade first rd draft picks year after year im not sure if he did that cuz he figured if he doesnt win now hell be gone anyway so why not but that makes me upset if ur gonna trade high draft picks u trade them for a player who is a proven commodity not to take another player in the draft who may or may not pan out IMO
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else." John Madden
Fox
I like the idea. With Shanahan, Gruden, Dungy, Holmgren, Schottenheimer, and Cowher not realistically interested in Buffalo, I started looking at head coaches who might get fired and Fox and Del Rio interest me. I STILL think Brian Billick makes a lot of sense for the Bills and I wish they’d target him, but if they ended up with Fox, I’d be fairly pleased.
One interesting note I saw on ESPN today was that when Shanahan spoke with Brandon last month, they talked about him coming on board with Bruce Allen as the GM. With Allen taking the Skins job, you can see where Shanahan will end up. But that being said, I think Buffalo will hire a GM before a head coach and that GM will pick the coach. Sounds logical enough, but OBD hasn’t been very logical since the crash of 2005. Baby steps for the BIlls.
I like Billick too.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 19, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
He’s been mediocre at best in Houston. At least Fox, Billick, and Del Rio have all been to the playoffs and won there.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
It may be what some people want. I don’t particularly care. How did Brian Billick and his awesome offensive mind do in fostering a great offense in Baltimore?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well in all fairness
Shanahans problem in Houston hasn’t really been his offense has it? Therefore any comparisons to Billick are uhhhh not valid at all.
I get what you’re saying but that’s precisely my point. You said “Shanahan” not Kubiak. A great offensive coordinator doesn’t make a great offensive head coach. If he has the right people with him it can. Let me give a different example. Mike Tomlin was a very good DC in Minnesota. What did he do when he was hired as head coach in Pittsburgh? Install his own defense right with his own play calls and ideas? Nope. He let Dick LeBeau do his thing. I couldn’t care less about “offensive” vs. “defensive” minded head coaching candidates because if the Bills hire a good GM and that guy picks a good coach I don’t care if he was a special teams coach or an OL coach or anything like that. Being able to bring in great coordinators and other staff and motivate your team are the two most essential things to a head coach.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I thought of another one who hasn’t had a lot of time. Todd Haley. Scott Pioli brings in Matt Cassell and Haley and they procede to be just as bad on offense, defense, point differential, and everything else. It’s his first year, sure, but still.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
Or heres another longshot
Lets say Wade Phillips wins a playoff game or two in Dallas. Would anybody else be intrested in Jason Garret?
No interest here.
If he can’t get that offense to play with any consistency, how will ever get a whole team to?
Fox I’d be interested in though, at least he’s proven he can do it.
Jake Delhomme?
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 19, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
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I thought about that one too. I don’t think that’s a horrible idea even though they’d probably get ripped initially. Garrett was once on the fast track to a high profile gig and his star has fallen recently due to a lot of things out of his control. He might make for an excellent buy low candidate.
Side note.
On ESPN radio today,
I heard Mort say,
If Fox get’s fired he could be a real shot to land in Buffalo with Charlie Weis as OC as they are good friends.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 19, 2009 7:05 PM EST reply actions
Me too
"A failure becomes just one time at bat if you refuse to let it defeat you." Marv Levy.
by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 19, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Weis sticking it to Belicheat, I could live with that...
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Billick NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
This guy had to have had one of the crappiest offenses during his tenure.
I wouldn’t want him even if he would do it for free.
His superbowl win is an abberation, due to the fact he had a great D.
At least Fox got that loser Delhomme to look OK sometimes.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2009 2:18 AM EST reply actions
I see Fox.
As the next Cowher.
Kinda like Fox made the super bowl with Jake Delhomme and lost.
Cowher made it with Neil O’Donnell and lost. Similar loser QB’s.
I’d be very happy with Fox so he can win hist first superbowl here in Buffalo if we could get him a decent QB.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
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