Shanahan will wait and odds favor him being a Redskin. You're right, Snyder isn't going to lose Shanahan to Ralph Wilson. The only worry you have is if jobs open in Houston or Dallas -- Shanahan might look at those two openings more favorably. There is no damage in Shanahan talking to the Bills. He's a Redskin unless the eyes of Texas are upon him.
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On Mike and Mike in the morning, Schefter said he doubted that Shanahan would end up in Buffalo as well. The Bills came up and Schefter said he thought the Bills did the right thing by going after the big names first, but that he thought Shanny would wind up somewhere else.
I do think Buffalo is a real player for Shanahan and it’s very possible that he ends up here, but it probably won’t happen.
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Schefter also said that if Fox gets canned, he could be a more realistic possibility for the Bills to land.
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Which sounds pretty good to me.
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I like Fox too, but he does go against the "youth" movement Brian seems to prefer
I have to admit, I don’t know the details about why the Panthers have struggled and by extension how much of the blame belongs to Fox. Did he hitch his wagon to Jake D., who for whatever reason has gone down hill. No coach wins w/o a QB
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One thing I’d like about Fox is that I think you can pair him with a young GM. Recently fired coaches don’t exactly get to demand all sorts of organizational power.
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But
Do we really want the guy who blatantly refuses to bench Jake Delhomme?
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by Kurupt on Dec 2, 2009 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
As long as he doesn’t bring Delhomme here with him (which actually seems possible).
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Speaking for myself.
I despise the idea of John Fox as HC. He just seems like a Mike Tice type of coach. Has a few good years then just kinda fades away. I bet Fox will do an awesome job in the UFL next year though.
I’m not seeing the Tice comparison. Tice took over as an interim coach of a Vikings team that made the playoffs the year before, coached for another four years and made the playoffs once.
Fox on the other hand took over a team that went 1-15 and went 7-9 in his first season there. In seven years of coaching the Panthers, they’ve had three different 11+ win seasons and they were in 2003, 2005 and 2008. I’m not seeing how Fox and the Panthers have kinda faded away. They’re having one crappy season with a QB who is playing terribly after going 12-4 last year.
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No I don’t want a coach that refuses to bench Jake “interception” Delhomme.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 3, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Who does he have to replace him?
Jake D was an average QB at one time, got injured, and was never the same for whatever reason. Even if Fox stays, I would have to say Jake D is gone.
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I still find the idea the Bills are going to hire a big name a little far-fetched. Not because they can’t. What coach would want to come? No QB = much greater chance of failure. He doesn’t get that in Washington, either, but he gets an owner willing to spend literally as much as possible to bring in free agents at least in the short term. Plus SNyder can pay him more than Wilson.
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No QB = chance to draft your own
Let’s face it, Indy’s coach won’t get credit even if the team goes 19-0. Manning is the QB and was already there. Big ego coaches (do they come any other way?) might like the chance to start the team basically from the ground up.
No, that doesn’t mean that I think Buffalo will land one of the big names, just that not having a QB isn’t the straw that will break the camel’s back. I’m guessing a phone call from the big names to Jauron will accomplish that…
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No QB = chance to draft your own
And it’s not like other potential job openings come with a QB to build around. Cleveland might have something with Brady Quinn, but I’d guess most coaches would prefer go out and draft their own guy then be forced into playing Brady Quinn. Then you’ve got Oakland, Carolina and Washington in a similiar QB spot to Buffalo.
Sure a job like San Diego or Chicago would be more appealing due to QB, but they’d be more appealing jobs for about a dozen other reasons too.
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Wait a minute. You said Chicago has a QB. Really?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 3, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I still think so. Cutler is throwing picks left and right, but he’s the same age as Edwards is and in a brand new offense, city and playing with new and pretty sucky WRs.
You can point to Cutler’s numbers being way down without Denver’s OL and WRs, but those WRs have seen a decline in stats too.
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But a big name coach is going to come in with BIG EXPECTATIONS. They will need to win fast and show progress. Every coach needs a QB but established coaches should prefer established QBs.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 3, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Which makes me even more open to the idea of fewell coaching this team next year. I can’t help but think that if a big name coach ends up in buffalo next season they are going to think they drew the short straw in terms of available positions. I know these guys are all pros and are too competitve not to give a complete effort… But I would much rather take the guy who is knocking down the door to get in that coaches seat than the guy who was the last one standing when the music stopped.
From evertyhing I can tell about fewell, he is truly psyched to have this opportunity to coach the buffalo bills. I’m not sure we could say that about any of the big names out there. Obviously the last couple games are going to determine his coaching fate, but I can’t help but get a little bit excited about a guy who is genuinely fired up to be a part of this organization. And you that type of excitement is contagious. Not a bad place to start when potentially turning around a franchise.
by Squirmin' Thurman on Dec 2, 2009 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
but he gets an owner willing to spend literally as much as possible
I htink this is way off base MRW. I think we would probably want to come here over Washington if the money is equal precisely because he doesnt have a QB in either place and he has seen that Ralph is willing to give coaches he believes in time, Jauron got 3 1/2 years. While Snyder is very quick to drop a coach. I think the rate of failure is higher in Washington becuase Snyder is so impatient.
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by poz on Dec 3, 2009 3:34 AM EST up reply actions
But Snyder has unlimited resources to compete. Why wouldn’t a coach want that instead? Snyder and Wilson have both fired coaches after three years.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 3, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I just want a good coach
new, old, seasoned, super bowls or not
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by killascript on Dec 2, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
You know what sucks?
That apparently that a CFL headcoaching job is actually more attractive than a NFL headcoaching job. I mean that just makes me sad. If anyone is wondering what I’m babbling about it’s Marc Trestman “I want to stay in Canada”.
He hasn't been offered anything in the NFL yet, right?
Until he is, that is exactly what he should say.
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Yeah, guys always say that. You can’t say that the city you live in, college you represent, players you currently coach and the job that you have is your 2nd (or worse) choice. When a coach says he isn’t leaving, the words might as well be completely meaningless. A contract extension is what really talks.
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Actually no, I genuanly think that he means it for now. He’s got an (almost) NFL sized deal to coach for Montreal and has all the tools to have a CFL powerhouse for the next 5 to 7 years (and by CFL powerhouse I mean Grey Cup game garanteed). Plus he’s apparently VERY comfortable liing in Montreal.
Why would he leave a job that he loves and that he has sealed up for the next 10 years for one that might not garantee any sucess and might not last him more than 3?
Trestman is my second pick behind Shanny, but even I understand why he wants to stay in Montreal.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 3, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
still the cfl is like the minor leagues
most coaches would want the challenge (if thats what you can call it) of coaching in the big leagues (the nfl). while being a big fish in a small pond is nice and all id doubt that most coaches wouldnt want their shot at the big time. i still wonder if harbaugh is an option and if fewell is a good candidate.
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by silverstreak3k on Dec 3, 2009 3:55 AM EST up reply actions
still the cfl is like the minor leagues
You only hear this comment comming from Americans that haven’t watched the CFL enough to know any better (no offence ment by this). Yes the CFL is a lower level of play then the NFL, but its a higher level of play then american college football and is officially recognised as a pro league (which is why Warren Moon’s CFL stats accompanied him to the HOF).
I’ll compare Trestman’s situation to that of Pete Carroll at USC. Why would he want to leave for the CFL if he’s by far the best coach in the CFL (or college football for Carroll) and is getting paid just as much as he would be in the NFL? There is absolutly no reason for him to leave.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 3, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Guys like Cameron Wake and Corey Mace jump at the chance to get into the NFL, though. It’s definitely in between college and the NFL. So is the UFL.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 3, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but you wont ever see a CFL player making the jump to the UFL. Ever.
As for the comparison between players and coachs, the CFL is a caped league for player salaries, but not for coachng salaries. The CFL is one of few leagues in the world where coaching saleries are higher then player salaries. So theres not much difference there for Trestman.
As for the players, of corse every player wants to play in the NFL. I don’t blame Wake for a second for jumping to the NFL. Mace on the otherhand might have been better off actually playing in the CFL as opposed to being a practise squad member in the NFL.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 3, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but you wont ever see a CFL player making the jump to the UFL. Ever.
No, you don’t. It’s interesting you bring that up. We’ll have to see if UFLers go to the CFL next year or the other way around. Maybe there is room for both at that level.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 3, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
I think that to see that the UFL will need to be a Sping league. The CFL finished playing last weekend, at the same time as the UFL, so players playing in both leagues like what used to happen with the Arena Football League isn’t going to happen. I do however see the CFL adding the UFL to their scouting rotations.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 3, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
The UFL waited for training camp rosters to be set, then take the leftovers. It’s about the only time they can do it.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 4, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
So your saying that the UFL deliberatly wanted the NFL’s unwanted leftovers. Yeah, thats a great way to start up a league and attract viewers, get all the players that no one wants. Brilliant.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 4, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
It was their only option. Who the hell would go to a UFL training camp over an NFL training camp?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 4, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
They wanted to be a developmental league. That means signing the leftovers…
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 5, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Carroll failed as an NFL head coach
Some people are more suited to coach at the college level (see Carrol, Spurrier, Dave Wannstedt, etc) than the Pros. If you are fine with that….great…be happy and coach where you want, but don’t consider yourself an NFL caliber coach if you couldn’t cut it or not have the balls to give it a try.
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I don’t think that Trestman doesn’t want to give it a shot, I think that he wants to do it on his own terms. But thats just me speculating.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 3, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
The single last thing I want to do is offend fans of the CFL, but isn’t it pretty much a minor league? The guys who are stars in the CFL weren’t even stars in college with guys like Darian Durant, Anthony Calvillo and Jamall Johnson. The level of talent compared to the NFL is a joke. They might be in between college and the pros, but it would only be because college players are a bunch of 21 and 22 year olds.
The CFL is a pro football league In the same way that our american soccer league is a crappy minor league type alternative to real European soccer.
And unless Trestman is making 2.5 – 3 mil, he’s not making as much as he would as an NFL head coach because that’s pretty much the low end of the salary stick now.
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Your making it very hard for me to argue any of your point Kaiser. The CFL is deffinatly a lesser league then the NFL. But in the big picture, it’s still the second best football league in the world, so it’s not that bad either.
As for Trestman, I couldn’t find the actual numbers, but I recall TSN mentioning that he is making around 2M per season in the CFL.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 3, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
No offense taken
BUt my point is valid. The NFL is where it’s at. and where you say some coaches can’t hack it in the NFL and don’t want to leave. But the coaches you metioned (Carrol and wandstedt) both still tried it. Which I think any coach in a lesser league would never pass up. Carrol might not go back, but he did go at some point.
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by silverstreak3k on Dec 3, 2009 9:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I honestly wasn’t aware that Carroll coached at the NFL level. As for Trestman, his time in the NFL will come, I just think that he wants to make the jump on his own terms.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 4, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Oh and your point is valid, the NFL is indeed where its at.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 4, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Good. I can’t wait to see how much Snyder overpays him only for them to continue to suck. Someone needs to pay for another billboard to remind Ralph and Russ to hire a GM first, then worry about the coach. Or, lets just run the table, sneak into the back door of the playoffs, and run THAT table so we can give Fewell the job and hire the staff of Buffalo Rumblings as the collective GM.
by Frank Reich Revolution on Dec 2, 2009 10:16 PM EST reply actions
Shocking
No big name is coming here, so anyone who believes that will happen needs to start thinking about other options!
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by Kurupt on Dec 2, 2009 10:57 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Doesn't Shanahan want complete control?
A) Snyder has yet to show that he won’t interfere at all.
B) He’s yet to give any inclination that he’ll can Vinnie.
Those are still two questions that he needs to answer, in particular the first question, as he has grown a habit of demanding certain players to be signed, but if he wants Shanahan, he’ll need to stfu in terms of that.
The other thing is: How the hell can Snyder pay more than the 10 million bucks that Ralph is presumably willing to offer?! I mean the highest paid coach in the NFL is right now Bill Belichick, whose yearly wage is 6 million bucks, and there has got to be a limit as far as how much owners are willing to actually pay Shanahan a year? (ok, that’s presuming Snyder doesn’t love throwing money around, which he does…)
All I’m saying is that we still have a legitimate shot at landing Shanahan, because we’re likely one of the only teams that are willing to give absolutely total control to him and make him by far the highest paid HC in the NFL. Of course, a team like the Redskins also lies in that category and we’ll therefore in all likelihood have to compete with them for his services.
The Cowboys are on a sure roll to the playoffs and the Texans have an easy last part of the season, which should give them at least a 9-7 record, which supposedly should be enough to keep Gubiak for one more year.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Dec 3, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions
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