This is what should be doned in 2010

by Deadpool71 on Dec 20, 2009 7:42 PM EST

Well I have finished watching Buffalo grab defeat from the jaws of victory against the Pats and it is time to look to 2010.

First we need a GM and picking from the tree of Polian or AJ Smith would work. Just get someone in here with Good Football Knowledge.

Second we need a new coaching staff. Head Coach we need experience. I doubt Shanahan is coming here so who is left is someone who is going to be let go at the end of the year. Two come to mind - John Fox and Wade Phillips.

Of these two, John Fox is my choice. He is a winner. He can get player to raise their level of play.

My OC, there is three choices - Charlie Weis, Mike Martz, and Curtis Johnson

Currently , Weis and Martz are available. Curtis Johnson is the WR coach for the Saints and if he can bring any of the knowledge of the offense he is working in to Orchard Park that would be awesome.

My DC I would leave up to HC Fox to work out.

keep Bobby April as Special Teams Coach.

The next step is the draft

My idea is simple and that is do not draft a QB in the first round or draft projects they all need to contribute now.

My choices would be OT or DT.

The new coach is 4-3 guy which means that a new DT would work - McCoy -Oklahoma.

Second round (if we have Martz or Weis) would be a QB either McCoy or Tebow. or a LB or OT or DT.

Third round should be either QB, LB, DT, or OT - Best Player Available

Also in the third round I would trade my third round in 2011 and my fifth round this year with the Patroits to trade back in to the third round to get Jordon Shipley. This guy is a WR from Texas who reminds me alot of Wes Welker and all he does is catches balls underneath the defense and gets huge yards after the catch. He also returns punts - bye bye Roscoe. He would be an instant starter. Bye Bye Reed.

Fourth Round - if we have not taken a QB yet a guy named Dan LeFevour from Central Michigan would be a nice pick up. or BPA.

Who would not be here in 2010

Reed, Parrish, Edwards, OL Scott, Witner, Denney, Ellis, Ellison, Lindell - maybe

There would be so much turnover on the OL I do not know who would be here. Defense same thing.

These are my thoughts. Ridicule all you want.

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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Fewell

Would you be content if the new GM kept him on as HC. Get a new defensive coordinator, so he is not doing double duty. I wouldn’t mind seeing him with a stable O line, and with the amount of injuries he has done a great job on defense.

Well we tried the no offense huddle, why not give the no huddle offense a go?!!

by mavadjdj on Dec 20, 2009 7:57 PM EST reply actions

i like fewell the players like fewell but if we start over from the top he is a goner

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by BRIANMULHALL on Dec 20, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions

Why cut Lindell?

You can blame Lindell all you want, but he isn’t bad. Maybe if we could get TDs instead of FG all the time he would seem better.

No MIke Martz, his Offense never runs the football, and the QB has too many long developing passes. This causes the QBs to get hit all the time. In buffalo, I think we would even give up more sacks.

7 games and counting!!!

by Rudy916 on Dec 20, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions

You are nuts if.....

I doubt Shanahan is coming here so who is left is someone who is going to be let go at the end of the year. Two come to mind – John Fox and Wade Phillips.

You ever think Wade would come here for a 2nd go round or if we would ever hire him.

Remember the dispute over Wade’s remaining salary that Ralph didn’t want to pay him?

I think it was $850K and Ralph lost the dispute in arbitration.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 20, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions

Might as well cut one of the most consistent Bills in Lindell just because....

What?

This guy is a WR from Texas who reminds me alot of Wes Welker and all he does is catches balls underneath the defense and gets huge yards after the catch.

I love how I’ve heard this 5 or 6 times but no one actually gives the real reason he’s the next Wes Welker.

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by twoeightnine on Dec 21, 2009 8:57 AM EST reply actions

It's because they both played college ball in Texas, right?

That’s gotta be it. I can’t think of any other reason anyone would compare the two.

~K
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by Kurupt on Dec 21, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions

Exactly.

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by twoeightnine on Dec 21, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions

I don’t get the fascination to grab somebody who has worked with Polian or Butler/Smith. Why can’t Buffalo just sign the best potential GM instead of the best one who has worked with Bill Polian. Why is it a better plan to grab someone from the Polian tree than somebody who just won a Super Bowl with Jerry Reese in NY or from a great organization like Philly, Pittsburgh or Baltimore? Just find the best guy, I don’t really care if he’s got a connection to the Bills.

For me, it’s a huge no on Wade Phillips and just as big of a yes for John Fox.

I want nothing to do with Mike Martz. He falls in love with passing the ball, slow developing routes and minimal protection schemes. We need a coordinator who doesn’t out think himself and is willing to run the ball when that’s the best way to win.

Curtis Johnson is intriuging, but he’s another guy who’s part of a pass heavy dome offense. New Orleans doesn’t have a great outdoors offense and I wouldn’t want that scheme in Buffalo. He’s also never been a playcaller before. And since he doesn’t have experience with playcalling and designing a scheme, I’d only be comfortable with Johnson if he’s brought in by an offensive minded head coach.

I don’t understand why rookies need to be able to contribute right away. Can Buffalo win a Super Bowl next year? Then who cares about next year. Pick the players that are most likely to bring a championship to Buffalo. You need to find defensive lineman, WRs and a quarterback at some point, so you can’t avoid the slow developing positions. If anything, I think it makes more sense to draft the slower developing positions at the begining of a coaching change so that once those positions develop, you have the core to add linebackers, safeties, running backs and spots that walk right into the league and make a big difference.

Gerald McCoy would be a fantastic pick. You can never go wrong with value, especially on the defensive line. He’s got great technique which makes him a low downside player and he’s also pretty explosive off the snap which makes a high upside player too.

I don’t think pairing Martz and Tebow makes any sense.

If you’re getting rid of guys like Whitner and Lindell,I’d like to hear how you are improving those positions. Those who wouldn’t mind Marshawn being traded can at least claim that a vet RB and mid round pick could come close to provided the same production if Lynch is going to be a backup. But how are you replacing Lindell without running the risk of having one of the worst kickers in the league?

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by kaisertown on Dec 21, 2009 1:59 PM EST reply actions 2 recs

I agree with every word of that.

by BillsfanDan on Dec 22, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions

But how are you replacing Lindell without running the risk of having one of the worst kickers in the league?

draft a kicker in the 6th round

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by J2 on Dec 21, 2009 4:29 PM EST reply actions

And in doing so, you’re taking a 50/50 chance that you’ve got a kicker around the same level as Lindell or a kicker who stinks. I think Bills fans have been spoiled by the solid kicking this team has gotten over the last 20 or so years. Nick Folk was a great find for the Cowboys right? He’s 6 of 14 on kicks longer than 39 yards this year and he’s missed a couple chip shots on top of that. Brandon Coutu hasn’t been able to beat out Olindo Mare in Seattle, Graham Gano couldn’t make the team in Baltimore, same with Taylor Melhalff and New Orleans. Justin Medlock was a huge bust for KC. Even Mason Crosby, who has been a great find for GB, is 45/60 on kicks from 30-49 yards (Lindell hasn’t hit that low of a percentage since his first season in Buffalo). Young kickers are a huge risk.

by kaisertown on Dec 21, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions

With their 1st round pick the New York Jets select: Mike Nugent!

by BillsfanDan on Dec 22, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions

Why?

You have a known good commodity and you’re going to trade it for an unknown on a team with tons of holes? Why give yourself another?

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by twoeightnine on Dec 21, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions

Not to mention

Spending a draft pick on that unknown commodity that absolutely HAS to be relatively decent right away.

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions

well first it was just an idea

second it’s not like it’s a position that needs grooming or time and experience. if you’re a great college kicker then why wouldn’t you?

i don’t know what’s out there – but I do know that kicking is kicking and if we can grab someone in a later round with a pick that could win us games with his leg then i’d do it in a heartbeat.

holy crap you guys blasted me on that – I thought it was a good idea. i know i’d do it for sure for a top college kicker.

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by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions

But Lindell has been automatic inside 40 yards. In Buffalo no less.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions

first -it was a suggestion to the question.

second – duh!

talk to me after Lindell bangs a pressure kick wide – only reason we haven’t seen it in a while because we suck so bad he hasn’t had an opportunity to win a game with his leg. he’s not that great under pressure plus I’d like to see more touchbacks from a kicker.

if you’re kicking in the NFL you should bang every kick under 40 yards home – should be a give in. I know a lot of them miss – but that should be automatic for FG kickers in the NFL.

i could care less if we keep lindell or cut him because he is serviceable like a lot of our players – but if I saw an immediate upgrade in the later round i’d do it right away – same with every other position on our team – including punter (moorman’s my favorite bill).

point being – upgrade a position if you can – that’s what good NFL teams do – even if it’s the long snapper – if you have a chance to upgrade then do it.

why is this so difficult?

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by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions

Nobody is saying you shouldn’t suggest upgrading spots. But we’re saying that there aren’t upgrades out there.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions

what this year? maybe not – maybe – do we really scout kickers?

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Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM

by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions

The scouting dept scouts everyone!

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions

I meant rumblers – not our FO

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by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions

So did I. So. did. I. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions

Haha!!

That’s the ticket!

~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."

by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions

ya – thanks for the sarcasm instead of a constructive reply

2008 – 2 kickers drafted 6th and 7th
2007 – 3 kickers – 5th and 2 in the 6th
2006 – 2 kickers – 4th and 6th
2005 – 3 kickers – 2nd, 6th and 7th
2004 – 3 kickerse – 3rd, 5th and 7th

http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?position=SPECIALISTS&type=position

this doesn’t include punters

so why woudln’t you draft a kicker in later rounds? if the guy is a proven good kicker and can win you games instead of pikcing a guy that may or may not work out then why wouldn’t you do it????

Never put salt in your eyes
Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM

by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions

But if you list which kickers got drafted instead of where they were drafted, you can see what a huge risk young kickers are.

Bradon Coutu – hasn’t been able to beat out Olindo Mare in Seattle
Taylor Melhalff – didn’t make New Orleans as a rookie, still jobless
Mason Crosby – has been very good kicking in a tough environment and has a huge leg, but has only hit 72.7% of his kicks this year including two misses inside 40 (he’s now 27/33 inside 40 for his career)
Nick Folk – just got cut from Dallas, led the league in missed FGs this year
Justin Medlock – a fifth rounder who got cut his rookie year
Kurt Smith – Didn’t make the team in San Diego
Stephen Gostkowski – only New England could make the rest of the league look stupid by drafting a kicker in the 4th round
Paul Ernster – was a punter and kicker in college, only punts in the pros
Dave Rayner – huge leg, has never been able to stick with a team
Mike Nugent – haha, the Jets spent a 2nd round pick on that guy
David Kimball – the Colts had Vanderjagt, why did they draft a kicker?
Josh Scobee – an actual NFL kicker, I think he’s easily worse than Lindell though
Nate Kaeding – great kicker, but an early third rounder is a big price to pay. Went 65th overall, the pick after Darnell Dockett

by kaisertown on Dec 23, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions

that wasn’t my point – my point was to draft a kicker in later rounds that would be an immediate upgrade. looking waaaaaaaaaaaaayyy to much into my comment

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by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions

But an immediate upgrade in the later rounds doesn’t exist. The most highly thought of guys still bust more than QBs do. Justin Medlock was supposed to be a can’t miss guy who would be the Chiefs kicker for the next dozen years and he was terrible. Kickers are unpredictable and Buffalo has no way of knowing if one is an immediate upgrade. Saying we should grab a kicker in the later rounds if it would an immediate upgrade would be like saying we should draft a QB in the later rounds if he’s the next Tom Brady.

by kaisertown on Dec 23, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions

But an immediate upgrade in the later rounds doesn’t exist.

well that’s a little short sighted to me

Justin Medlock was supposed to be a can’t miss guy who would be the Chiefs kicker for the next dozen years and he was terrible

so because other teams or people suck at evaluating kickers we shouldn’t take one that would be an upgrade?

Kickers are unpredictable

that’s my point – find a guy that isn’t unpredictable – if he doesn’t exist then don’t draft a guy. it’s not that difficult to comprehend

you said how are you going to replace lindell – my suggestion was to draft a guy in the later rounds. specifically a guy that knows how to kick the ball through the yellow posts more often than Lindell does – if he doesn’t exist then don’t draft him.

improving the kicking position from a guy like Lindell who’s only seemingly good qualities as a kicker are within 40 yds and extra points shouldn’t be difficult for an NFL team. maybe it is harder than that – but it shouldn’t be

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Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM

by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions

I think the point kaiser is trying to make is that all the teams that drafted kickers in those years felt that it was an upgrade to what they had.

And it is quite obvious that it is difficult to evaluate a kicker with all those busts listed.

If Lindell is arguably top 10 kickers in the NFL then it is very hard to “improve the situation”

Kickers miss field goals, just like cornerbacks give up touchdowns. the fact that Lindell is money from inside 40 is a plus for any nfl team. let alone one with poor conditions 3 months of the year.

by BillsfanDan on Dec 23, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions

If McCoy isnt there then what?

The only OT i want in the first round is Okung. What i have read about the rest of the first round talents is that they are all projects with a lot of upside(Campbell, Davis) or are better suited to play RT (Williams). The only other player i could see us drafting in that spot is McClain. The other options would be DBs Haden or Berry, DE Morgan or QBs Clauson or Bradford, if they are still there.

by Brennan McCoy on Dec 21, 2009 6:24 PM EST reply actions