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Oh God if you haven’t seen it go watch it now. At least the Bills come up with good trick plays. Tip: If the other team calls timeout they may just be talking about how to stop this type of play. If they were going to go for the end zone why not do it with a receiver catching and a QB throwing??? And, oh yeah, throw it away idiot!!! OMG I just about died watching that.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions  

Throw it away?

Why? At least try to make a play there, which the punter did.

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by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

So the Giants don’t run it back for a touchdown and put you down by 40. THE PLAY CAME AFTER THE GIANTS CALLED TIMEOUT WHEN THEY TRIED IT FIRST. THEY STILL RAN IT! THE GIANTS KNEW IT WAS COMING AND THEY STILL RAN IT! This is so silly. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

So why is the punter an idiot then?

He’s trying to run the play called and make something happen. It’s not his fault Zorn is a moron and there was only one guy in the pattern on a ridiculous play call.

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by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You have two options going in – throw it away or throw it safe. He did neither. I know he’s “trying to do something” but he could have been doing something that turned into 6 the other way not that it would have mattered.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

He was trying to throw a Hail Mary

for all intents and purposes. I don’t see how that’s any different than any other pass on the last play of the first half….

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by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ahhh now I see what you mean. It’s different because the defender caught it in space, not while falling down in the end zone with a mass of five guys. I get what you mean.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched this live and when I saw it my first thought was, “who was blocking?” The answer: NOBODY. The snapper even goes out for a pass. What would you say if you were the punter on that play and the coach said “Okay you take the snap, then get the throw off before these 3 guys get to you.” What is your response?

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by sireric on Dec 22, 2009 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

The play is designed so all the rushers go where all the linemen go by catching them off guard. The best way to defend it is to do exactly what the Giants did.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would the (pass) rushers all go where the linemen go?

You only have to worry about a handful of players actually getting the ball over there.

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by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

They are banking on people not being smart enough to realize that. Plus if you can get it to the guy behind a wall of blockers it works, in theory, unless you have the kicker as the one behind the wall of blockers…. It was just so poorly executed.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

wouldnt a player with the ball end up running into his own lineman?

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by Patssuck456 on Dec 22, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

That implies a running back would do the same thing… or a guy on a screen pass.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

There wasnt alot of room there

Usually there is more open space for a ball carrier to head through, in this case it looked like there was nothing there, maybe its the angle

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by Patssuck456 on Dec 23, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

They are banking on people not being smart enough to realize that.

Even after the timeout???

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by thefourwinds on Dec 23, 2009 2:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that makes it especially crazy to try this thing. The Redskins did it once and the Giants called timeout before the Skins snapped it. After the timeout, the Redskins go out and try the exact same formation anyways.

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by kaisertown on Dec 23, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, that makes it especially crazy to try this thing.

This. ^

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Campbell didn't do himself many favors last night

of courting himself to the rest of the NFL world as being the most coveted QB Free Agent this year… Of course he had Mike Williams in their trying to pass block. What we ever saw in this guy is beyond me…

by dabillsr1 on Dec 22, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

Todd Collins looked better when he came in.

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by sireric on Dec 22, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Todd Collins should look better. He’s 38 and has had 15 years to watch guys better than him play the game. I still can’t believe he’s 38 and in the league today!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't either.

He was putrid with the Bills.

Being a backup at KC under Vermeil probably coached him up a bit.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 22, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Mike Williams AND Derrick Dockery

Campbell had no time whatsoever to throw.

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by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I, for one, was happy to see that unfold. Now I can honestly tell my children one day that their father witnessed the worst play by an NFL team in history.

Thank You Jim Zorn

by BillsfanDan on Dec 22, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions  

I witnessed

both this play and the LSU time out debacle a few weeks ago with Les Miles which has to rank up there. It is a special time to be a football fan.

by Ono on Dec 22, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I LOL’d hardest at Tirico’s reaction

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 22, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

I fully expect Fewell to unleash this play next week against the Falcons.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Dec 22, 2009 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

It’s nice to know the grass is browner somewhere.

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by thefourwinds on Dec 22, 2009 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

When I was watching the game

and the Giants had called timeout after the Redskins had first lined up in that formation on the FG attempt, I just knew Zorn would line up in it again.

Seriously, has that formation ever worked? You only have to worry about 4 or so guys in the bunch on the side, and therefore can rush 5 or so against 1.

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by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

Zorn doesn't run the offense anymore though.

That’s all on Sherman Lewis. Which is why I think Zorn was laughing during the press conference. Hahaha! SEE what you did Snyder!

by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

The scary thing is that there’s actually a name for the formation… in the play-by-play, it says that they switched to the “swinging gate” formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swinging_Gate_%28American_football%29)

What I don’t get is why the pass was thrown way downfield, ahead of the blockers. If it had gone to the WR that was lined up behind the offensive line (near the kicker), he might have been able to plow behind the line like a screen pass. But instead the pass was to someone running into triple coverage.

by Krenn on Dec 22, 2009 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

In some high school schools it is referred to as the Muddle Huddle. Which is what my friend and I shouted simultaneously when they shifted to it. I have had to prepare for this dumb formation on multiple occasions and it has never been successful.

by BillsfanDan on Dec 23, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I’ve only seen it used for extra point plays.

by BillsfanDan on Dec 23, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been waiting for the proper forum to ask the following:

Why are we as fans subjected to watching this horrible teams play prime time games? I thought they had the flex option for the last quarter of the season? Has it been exercised yet?

Additionally, if I have to watch one more NFC East team on SNF or MNF, i’m going to pull my teeth out (Yes, I know the Eagles play next week).

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Flex is for Sunday Night only

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by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

= suck.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Which is why a lot of the MNF and Thursday games are division games. Gives a little assurance that it could mean something even if one team stinks.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Well it'd be close to impossible to flex those games out of those slots

Moving a game to a completely different day completely screws up everything for out of town fans going to the game. That’s not something a league/teams can do to the fans who pay big bucks to go to the games.

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by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that’s the reasoning.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone set this to Benny Hill music.

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by Patssuck456 on Dec 22, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I would love to see that.

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by sireric on Dec 22, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

rec’d

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by kaisertown on Dec 22, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

We ran this play twice in high school... and it didn't work then either.

Very stupid..

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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 22, 2009 5:23 PM EST reply actions  

Makes a lot more sense there. Kids are dumber and might just stand there with their thumbs up their butts.

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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions  

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