Reports: Edwards, McGee to land on IR
ESPN.com's Tim Graham is reporting that Buffalo Bills quarterback Trent Edwards and cornerback Terrence McGee will be placed on Injured Reserve, ending their 2009 seasons. Buffalo Sports Daily reported the same earlier this morning, and adds that safety-turned-linebacker Bryan Scott could end up on IR as well.
Edwards injured his ankle in just one series' worth of relief duty during Sunday's 17-10 loss to the New England Patriots. His injury ends a season in which he went from starting quarterback to loathed by much of the fan base.
McGee's injury is a shoulder injury. He returned to the lineup in early December after having arthroscopic surgery on his knee; with McGee on the shelf, Reggie Corner will become a full-time starter, and players such as Ellis Lankster, Ashton Youboty and Cary Harris are in for more playing time. Donte Whitner will likely continue to see nickel corner duty as well. Graham reports that McGee will undergo shoulder surgery on Wednesday.
Scott left the Patriots game with a concussion.
Additionally, with Ryan Fitzpatrick dealing with an ankle injury of his own, Buffalo might be forced to start second-year quarterback Brian Brohm this Sunday in Atlanta.
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Well Bills fans
Looks like you might get your wish and get to see Brohm play
I was born in Buffalo, and NO, it's not a suburb of New York City
Oh good, he can fail sooner instead of later. rollseyes
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
How much worse can he be?
Much, much worse.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, this is like pulling some randomn dude from the crowd at a hockey game to play goalie because
your starter and backup are hurt, and rather than yank the dude who played 6 years in HS and College, you yank the 70+ year old dude with 2 replacement hips, and COPD.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
The turf monster rears it's ugly head again.
It’s been like this awhile, the only other team I have seen come close is the 2006 Bills and this years Lions team.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
So, with McGee, and possibly Scott and Edwards walking onto IR, we are looking at.... 19 guys on IR!
Right now we are TIED for most injuries on IR with the 2006 edition, this is ridiculous, especially if we break said record.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I am expecting the mandatory 1-2 more players to go on IR after Sunday's game
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
How about… uh, today?
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 23, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well Hell, that didn't take long now did it, lets put this sum-b$^#h to rest with another 3 on Sun
That way were up to 22, lets gun down that NFL record!
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Hahahaha :-(
I guess they decided to get a head start.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
we might not win another game
5-11 here we come. Terrence McGee is the most underrated players in the league, let alone on this team and Reggie Corner is simply terrible. With teams that have good QBs and receivers the last two games, I just see Corner getting burned all day. We are going to get a top 5 pick after all….
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
good
"Hold ya chin up...nuh nuh nuh...gone" -Marshawn Lynch-
by billsoferie on Dec 22, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
McGee is a warrior and will be greatly missed. After the next two games, Corner may have to change his surname.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Reggie Out-of-the-League?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Reggie Down a well?
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Reggie Corner's not that bad
Wait, he is. Nevermind.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Well he’s not starter. He’s barely a nickle corner…. heck at this point he’s barely worth a nickle!
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
Corner stinks
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 22, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions
He will get picked apart this week by errant Ryan throws...
you can almost smell the toast burning now.
McGee for sure… and Sheldon Brown from philly are two of the most under-rated players in the league.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
McGee underated?
really? because for a guy who is about to get locked up long term, and get PAID…. he sure isn’t doing much to help us lead the league in INTs…. he avgs only 2 a year for his ENTIRE 7 year career. Not to say the rest of the players don’t benefit from his consistent play, I don’t know that he isn’t getting plenty of credit for the whopping 8 passes he has managed to defend this year. THIS YEEEAAAARRRR…… Even missing games these numbers are low for such an “underated” player.
by Ren Diggity on Dec 22, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, McGee is underrated
Nnamdi Asomugha has 4 passes defended and 1 interception this year.
Just saying
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Exactly. I would go after Drayton Florence, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Well, yeah you obviously would
You thought Reggie Corner was better! Haha
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I never said Corner was better! I would go after Reggie Corner every play and twice on Sundays if it’s between Corner and Florence. I’m saying Asomugha’s numbers are down because nobody even throws at the guys he’s covering. McGee, while not as good as Asomugha, is better than Florence and anybody we have doing single coverage in the middle of the field. Why throw at McGee?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
i don't dislike Mcgee
But i dont understand why he plays with a 12 yard cushion constantly. Especially seeing as there aren’t 10 wideouts in the league who can outrun him and lot of short 3rd down conversions go his way.
I’m not saying he isn’t good, and I suspect he’s probably under orders, but he might be the least physical good corner I’ve watched in a long time.
Also, what the heck was he doing on the deep pass interference to moss? By the end of the play he was almost jogging beside moss and made no attempt to make a play on the ball..
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
Yeah to the orders part. People wonder why Donte Whitner was lining up so deep. In training camp it was something I focused on and trust me when I say every DB was lining up off the ball. It’s the Cover 2 stuff.
McGee didn’t get called for a pass interference did he? I remember Corner and Whitner…
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
no he didn’t get called on it, but that's because it looked like he gave up on the play
he was loping next to moss, he didn’t leave his feet to try to make a play on the ball or even hit moss as he caught the ball. that was what was confusing.
The orders thing doesn’t surprise me, but why is it that florence plays his man so much tighter? is he just less worried about being burned because he’s playing a slower corner?
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
McGee
no he didn’t get called on it, but that’s because it looked like he gave up on the play
He must have figured Moss was going to give up on the play too.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
they don’t throw Asomugha’s way. ever. look at tackles…McGee has ten more tackles in three less games. and both are actively involved in the run game. i am not saying McGee is a liability, per say. i am just saying he recieves the credit he is due. he isn’t far from shutdown corner status, but he is potentially beyond his prime, already. his numbers tell the tale of a corner who has lost a little speed, but gained game knowledge and is a reliable veteran. I would still start DRC, or Mike Jenkins, or Tracy Porter or many other young DBs who are just as skilled after a season or two over Terrance. Especially with his injury concerns (knee, shoulder, ankles… all of which are highly necessary for any NFL player, let alone an “underated” “shutdown” corner such as McGee
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look
I think Yahoo Sports made a list during the offseason of the best corners ranked by how many TDs they give up to passes thrown in their direction. Asomugha was tops on the list with 0. Guess who was 5th on that list? Of all corners in the league? Yup, Terrence McGee. He gave up something like 1 TD for ever 130 passes thrown at him. Thats very good.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Ill take that all year... And every year left on his extension lol
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
it is good but can't that be attributed to scheme
he doesn’t give up many big plays (although he did on sunday and got bailed by whitner’s bizarre Pass interference) but that’s because he plays a 10 yard cushion to start every play. A freakin lamborghini couldn’t outrun mcgee if mcgee had a 10 yard cushion.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
sheldon brown
certainly is very very underated though. i forgot i wanted to acredit you with that astute observation.
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haha well thank you... and I like the sig.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
that would be nice wouldn't it?
I think picking 6-9 is the perfect spot. Avoid the big payday of the top 5 but still get cream of the crop prospects. I do think we pick around 7th or 8th in the upcoming draft.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
And probably blow it on a DB
If we don’t get a GM with some sanity.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 23, 2009 1:54 AM EST up reply actions
Going on IR at this point isn’t a big deal. If anything, it’s an advantage because you can get players on the active roster that you might be interested in. So take a couple fliers on practice squad players (from wherever) and you’ll know you have them for training camp next year.
rec'd
It forces the coaches to do what they should be doing anyway in this situation.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Like playing Steve Johnson and James Hardy
and Aaron Maybin and Chris Ellis?
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I wouldn’t be opposed to seeing them get the majority of the snaps in the second half if we’re losing in a blowout.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 22, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather them get work early in the game
They don’t have to be out there every play, but it’d be nice to see the WR’s get some work and Maybin get more snaps, and Ellis get to wear his uniform.
What’s the point of Roscoe Parrish anymore? He didn’t even return every punt this past week, with Jackson and Reed getting work. Why not use his roster spot to get a guy reps that will actually be on the team next year??
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Exactly
Will Fewell pull a Jauron and sit these young guys because he believes that they don’t give the Bills the “best opportunity to win”?
BTW: I just realized that I never added the word “Fewell” to my spell check dictionary. Is there any way to delete “Jauron”. I’d like it highlighted as a word that doesn’t belong. Just wondering.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Roscoe did return a punt this week.
Reed was fielding punts as the upman.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
And he caught a pass as well.
If they ever make a movie about Roscoes life. They can call that Pats game “Roscoes big adventure”.
Agreed, K, at this point Fewell might as well just admit that unless half the Falcons come down with the Oink Oink
He has no chance to win this week, put out all the rookies and make a point during interviews to highlight how he did something good on behalf of the organization and that he would do the same for whomever he is applying for a job with this spring.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Maybe they could play CB or LB. Damn Evans and Owens ability to stay healthy!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Do they play QB, CB, OL, or LB? Those are where we need bodies. Too bad for them.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
i could be wrong...
…but didn’t Marshawn play QB in High School?
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 22, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Maybin should be on the field. If he can’t defend the run, he should learn. Schobel is our best DE. Schobel is our best DE? Schobel is our BEST DE. that’s just sad. and getting steve johnson out there would be in our best interest as well, to show that he deserves a roster spot in the future….
by Ren Diggity on Dec 22, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Schobel is our best DE. Schobel is our best DE? Schobel is our BEST DE
well whats sad is:
Fitzpatrick is our best QB
Scott is our best LT
Chambers is our best RT
Incognito is our best RG
Kelsay is our best RDE
Poz is our best LB
Fewell is our best HC
Ralph is our best owner
Chucky McFiggles is our best parking lot sweeper
Aaron Dermeckstermeister is our best usher
Billy Eatsatdennys is our best …ahh nevermind
Never put salt in your eyes
by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
i’m just saying that Aaron Dermeckstermeister is our best Usher – tell Bellichick to defend that guy – he knows his rows and seat #’s better than any other Usher in the league – and he was undrafted
Never put salt in your eyes
by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Dermeckstermeister is the man
you will get nothing but agreement and respect for Dermeckstermeister here.
I saw him single handedly user 2 different groups of people in 2 different rows at the same time.
if that doesn’t speak for his elite prowless then I don’t knwo what does
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by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
lies
i don’t buy it. But long and short is that Dermeckstermeister could line up anywhere on the field and be an upgrade. Only exception being FS. Not that you or anyone didn’t hope, or even agree…. but…… I TOLD YOU SO!!! BYRD for ROTY aaannnddd the PRO BOWL!!!!
I want to see Dermerckstermeister at SS next to Byrd. can you imagine that?
I wouldn’t even put another secondary player out there – just 9 linemen and Byrd and Dermerckstermeister.
we’ll call it……..Byrd-Dermerckstermeister rolling punches with the ages duo.
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Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM
by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
done.
as is this strand. LOL Dermeckstermeister for President…. Russ Brandon for Janitorial Engineer #1!!!
Janitorial Engineer #1!!!
that’s custodial engineer (carlin rolls in his grave)
Never put salt in your eyes
Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM
by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
I want to see Dermerckstermeister at SS next to Byrd. can you imagine that?
Nah, it would have to be Dermerckstermeister at FS next to Byrd. He is an usher, after all.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 22, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not following…….
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Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM
by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
You know, he’s playing at the same position with Byrd, because he’s an usher…forget it.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 22, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
i don’t buy it
dude i’m telling you
I was sitting there – eating my caramel cotton candy popcorn with my diet tree root juice and here comes Dermeckstermeister.
in front of him was a group of 6 people – 3 men with white kilts and blue armbands – 2 guys on stilts with shims for extra length and one midget.
the other group was a group of 8. 4 women with hunting camo on and a cross bow with super slushy syrup in a canister of jolt – 2 teenagers wearing spare car parts for leg warmers – 1 guy that was walking backwards while doing the moonwalk and some old guy.
by himself – he ushered them into their seats and even went to get more people!!!! I couldn’t beleive it – was probably the coolest thing i’d ever seen
Never put salt in your eyes
Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM
by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
poz is our only NFL ready LB
and actually he is not that bad. for a second round? definately solid. at this point he can call the defense AND make plays; well sometimes… he is much less of a liability than most of our LBs as long as he cuts out that arm tackle crap.
Playing on the Bills at this point isn't a big deal.
They’ll sign any warm body. Or at least any body that isn’t decomposing.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Over --Under
Over—Under on Yoboooty’s playing time before he gets injured again is 33 1/2 minutes!!
Anyone know the Over-Under for John McGottago’s playing time before he gets injured??? I’ll guess it’s around 7 minutes give or take a minute or 2.
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I’, going to go under for Youboty and I’d be shocked to see McWasted pick play 7 minutes.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 22, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Well for all of you who wanted to give Brohm some playing time. Your going to get your wish. And in turn I’m gonna get my wish of losing out the season in order to get a better draft pick. It’s Lose lose!
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 22, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions
They may lose out, but I see little movement in their draft stock. There are a ton of clunkers in the league this year.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Quite a few clunkers won last weekend…too little too late though. Oh, if we could only have a couple of those wins back!
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Hey we still have a good shot of picking ahead of KC, Oakland and Washington. All of which are in the market for the same positions that we are.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 22, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Even is Brohm is good he isn't going to get the chance to show it.
He is going to get killed. We can’t protect the QB for 2 seconds. Peyton Manning would struggle behind our current o-line.
Founding member of the Dick Jauron Fan Club.
Brohm has about as much of a chance as we gave...
AVP (when we fired Schonert 5 days before the season started), D. Bell (Same as AVP with letting Walker go), Incognito (with Simmons going down), OT and LB positions (anyone who had to step in and start due to multiple injuries and ineffectiveness. Fewell (because we don’t know when to fire a HC during the start of a bye week), etc.
With that we can expect that Brohm will have about the same results when he gets in… pretty bad.
What amazes me is Fewell’s and AVP’s reluctance to prepare Brohm more since he has been here to step in and play week to week. All reports from Chris Brown and the coaches have been to not expect Brohm this year because he has only been running the scout teams. Makes me wonder if Brohm really has starter material in him or not (now or in the future?).
If for some reason Brohm comes in and lights it up… then Fewell and company can just pack their bags because we should have been playing this guy all along with what we have. If he is worse than expected (as stated I don’t have high expectations), then I think a lot of it is our coaching fault too.
Rest assured, Fewell and Co. won’t be packing their bags because Brohm lights it up. Although I sincerely hope the young man does well this week, I’ll be praying that he simply survives the game without a career threatening injury (either physical or mental).
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
How is it the coaching staff's fault?
Brohm was the 3rd string QB. 3rd string QBs never get starter’s snaps in practice this late in the season. Like it or not, their job was still to win the game not worry about getting a potential dark horse candidate for the #2 job next some snaps. There’s only a limited number of snaps each day and those have to be spent preparing for the next game.
Not to mention the fact that sending Brohm to the front of the line does a serious disservice to everyone else in practice. You can’t prepare Jackson and Lynch and Evans and TO for the game when you dumb down the preparation for the 3rd stringer and stop every play to walk him through it. And you can forget about giving Hardy and Johnson needed beneficial reps.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
3rd string and
a whole what, like 3 weeks learning the system and terminology? Veterans need that long to even step on the field, let alone a practice squad player who hasn’t taken an official snap in the league.
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I don't get it... Why wouldn't we be mixing in players that need experience more...
late in the season when there is nothing to play for. Do you think the fans really care much that we are 6-10 vs. 5-11 vs. 4-12? We missed the playoffs. Time to play for the future. Yeah I understand that these coaches are playing for their jobs too and they want to win now, but where are we going with not dressing James Hardy, giving Ryan Denny reps for Aaron Maybin, Subbing Steve Johnson for Reed.
Fans would be more satisfied to see that we are playing for the future rather than playing guys that probably won’t be here next year or we certainly know what we already have in them.
Hey hey hey, our Savior, Gibran "The Mighty Hamster" Hamdan has been signed according the Bills text I got today
He shall lead us to the holy land of 2 straight losses!
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Welcome back Gibran Hamdan!!!
I’m assuming….
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I’d actually like to see Hamdan start ahead of Brohm.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 22, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I would, too.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a me train leaving town today. I bought me a ticket.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
We have our wishes answered per the text from the Bills today, the Hamster is back on campus
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I'd rather go Wildcat 100% of the time
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
by Kurupt on Dec 22, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It says a lot that I’m thinking this isn’t a terrible idea. That’d give Roscoe something to do, at least.
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Dec 22, 2009 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Plus two more! whats the total?
Hopefully we didnt waste a bunch of money extending Mcgee. I like him, but he is tailing off age wise. Hopefully this was a good investment.
If it does in fact happen it will be 18, a new team record.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Tailing off age wise?
What does that even mean?
He’s 29. He’s not exactly ancient or on his last legs.
~K
"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
This would be laughable
if it wasn’t so serious. I mean, these are men’s lives we are talking about. Injuries are serious and some of these men will live with this pain for the rest of their lives. The way the Bills staff prepares them is criminal. We have had just too many injuries (serious injuries) in the past few years for this just to be bad luck. It is evidence of a systematic problem. Obviously some of the injuries can’t be helped like concussions and broken bones but we seem to lose more guys to muscle tears and sprains than any other team. The question has to be asked why this doesn’t seem to happen to other teams.
With all of the change that is bound to happen this offseason I hope the training staff is a high priority for the front office.
agreed
you can’t deny that all teams suffer injuries; however, with that said…. you are totally right. strength and conditioning, understanding leverage, and also something as simple as practicing in pads (thanks Perry!) are a hugely important part of staying injury free. It is difficult to say whether having more of our current starters (some of who are barely capable *see OLB Ellison) on the field would have made a huge difference, but NOT having SO MANY of them certainly makes it difficult to compete. you have no continuity, no time to mesh or meld, and the more you rely on the “stars” to step up, the more likely they are to also go down. It is a team sport for a reason, and must be treated as such. It is hard when you field a different offense, different defense, or different coaching staff or system every other game….. you are going to lose. PLAYOFFS!!!?!?!? PLAYOFFS?!!!!? yeah…. right. maybe in another half decade or so….
by Ren Diggity on Dec 22, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
PLAYOFFS!!!?!?!? PLAYOFFS?!!!!? yeah…. right. maybe in another half decade or so….
good thing our division is made up of a bunch of little girls. no matter what way you slice it – the Jets and Dolphins are pretty mediocre and NE isn’ the same team.
the other 3 might look better right now on paper and for the future – but when we get our czar to blow this joint up we’re going to kick the sh** out of those division douchezzz.
seriously – is it that tough to get to the playoffs in 10 years? Ralph needs check his football mind and see if its still there. if not – then get a local girl scout troop to run the franchise – i know a few pack leaders that can get their troops to make paper look like a pig (whatever that means)
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for most teams?
or ours? It shouldn’t require 3 or 4 or 5 rebuilds to get in… i agree…. so then….. where lies the problem? in the office? everyones quick to believe one guy will make all the difference in the world but unless that guy is Bill Polian or GOD i don’t know that a team of skilled individuals will get it done in a year. Maybe two or three. Maybe 5. Maybe another decade. depends on so many variables that the moral of the story is we will be looking forward to next year, again next year. and probably again and again and again.
by Ren Diggity on Dec 22, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
moral of the story is we will be looking forward to next year, again next year. and probably again and again and again
well thats just being a fan of a losing team.
our divison sucks – its’ the AFC Least. probably the weakest divsion in football – can’t even win the weakest division in football?? morons
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by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
make paper look like a pig
Ralph as been putting lipstick on this pig and selling it to Bills fans for the past decade. It’s time to slaughter the pig and get a Bison…it’s healthier than pork.
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I think we should get whoever runs the Buffalo Bandits to run our franchise
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by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
looks like Scott Loffler – ya – thats who i want running this show
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Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM
by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
something as simple as practicing in pads (thanks Perry!) are a hugely important part of staying injury free.
Then how did Scott, Fitz, Trent, and McGee get injured?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
well....
Scott…. uh, 200 pound LBs probably stay healthy for long periods of time…. in HIGH SCHOOL.
Fitz- sucks. i mean seriously you guys, he is awful… Let’s maybe try signing an ATHLETIC quarterback, and stop worrying so much about the Ivy League "intelligence’ Plenty of dumbasses out there on the field who don’t suck. I don’t want a genius who can’t throw accurate passes on the field. Who cares if he knows where to go if he can’t get it there?
and don’t get me going on McGee again. He is an older (not old but sure no spring chicken) DB who has been actively involved in special teams as a return man, run support in a poor run defending team in recent years, and has had several injuries throughout his career. note that he has missed at least one game in every season but his second when he was not yet a full time starter.
so that is easy to explain you see…. SUCK= INJURED consistantly on most teams in the National Football League. Practice methods and sound coaching and understanding leverage and individual positioning techniques are the ways to avoid injury. If you don’t prevent them, they can spread like wildfire. But then, we are Bills’ Fans and we know that already from recent experience.
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McGee uses up too much of his body odometer making tackles that should be stopped at the first or second levels.
I suspect other starters extend themselves trying to cover for deficiencies in other positions. There’s the freak injury from time to time, but I have been floating this theory out as a contributing factor for quite a while. It’s difficult to prove unless you do a play by play analysis and speak to the injured players about the play in question. Certainly coaching and conditioning are at least as significant factors as well.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
McGee’s returned a grand total one one kick in, what, two years. Plus he’s always been able to play through his injuries. How many games has he missed prior to this season?
Your original point was practicing in pads helped players avoid injury. You thanked our current coach. Did it prevent McGee, Fitzpatrick, Trent, and Bryan Scott from being injured?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Fitz- sucks. i mean seriously you guys, he is awful…
This is not news.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 23, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Russ Brandon for the position of.....
janitor. Slightly overqualified for that… i know, but better than GROSSLY underqualified in his current role. Whatever the hell his current job title entails.
Marketing and talking to Ralph. He does a great job of that. He’s one of the only higher ups at OBD who is earning his paycheck.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
time will tell – for me – i’m skeptical of every single person at OBD. 10 years of no playoffs makes me have zero, absolutely zero confidence in anyone at that place.
it’s pathetic really – us and the Lions tied for the longest playoff drought – i say no one is doing their job. even if it’s something seemingly unrelated to football like marketing and selling tickets – i don’t care – they all fail right now.
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by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
There’s no real way to prove that. Outside of Jacksonville, Detroit, Oakland and San Diego there aren’t many teams that struggle to sell tickets. A football crazed area with incredibly cheap tickets (INCREDIBLY CHEAP. Other fans are shocked by the cost of Bills tickets.) marketing shouldn’t be a complex process. I will give whomever made the decision to move training camp to Rochester an enthusiastic two thumbs up though.
The fact that they were giving away two tickets to the Pats game with a purchase of a jersey wasn’t marketing brilliance, it was a sad last ditch effort that in any other market would be a joke. It’s a sunbelt hockey move.
Personally I’m disgusted by the actual, physical, marketing materials that the Bills produce. Their pro shop looks like it should be selling me cat sweaters http://www.buffalobillsproshop.com/ vs.http://shop.redskins.com/ They can’t figure out how to use high res photos, how to properly isolate an image from it’s back ground, how to make a good looking composite to show a pre-production… And don’t even get me started on the emails that they send out. They look like they were created by Ms. Jones’ 2nd grade class for their annual bake sale. Any real organization would be ashamed by the final product. The Bills just send it out again.
The 50th season logo was a joke and outclassed by every single other team involved in the program. I saw a total of 3 people (not affiliated with the team) wearing any of the gear it graced. Which doesn’t surprise me considering the team thought it was good enough to justify charging an extra $20-30 for it to grace a tshirt. The team continues to wear uniforms that most fans hate.
The 50th anniversary
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
rec’d – couldn’t agree more on the site especially – and everything else you said.
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by J2 on Dec 22, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
I have no counter argument, just more support… Attempting regionalization of the team in an attempt to expand the fan base? Is there really some where in the area where people don’t travel from to see this team? Toronto, PA (northern), Syracuse, the Buffalo area (all them Burbs and such) and of course Rochester and everywhere in between. There isn’t a shortage of local fans, or we wouldn’t sell out the games even with bargain basement pricing. No one wants to go watch a guaranteed loss. The product quality will always dictate demand for it. Or overall interest. That is the case with every product on the market. Demand is created by interest, availability, and quality. Interest is there, it’s the NFL. Availability is there, we’ve had nationally televised games, and truthfully I feel like that was when our product was the best… or at least when we looked competitive. so really, our biggest product flaw is the poor or inconsistent quality of it; and that is ultimately the true battle, both for us and the remainder of teams in the league.
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So are you saying Brandon has to do nothing to market this team? Fans are content and just gonna show up?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions
well not going to say he’s not doing nothing – but he’s selling peanut butter to peanut freaks
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by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions
As people in this thread have gone over – the Bills did not sell out all their games before he got a bigger say in the organization. Now they have sold out every game for a few years and made a boatload of money in Toronto. I think the results speak for themselves.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
the Bills did not sell out all their games before he got a bigger say in the organization.
who’s to say that will continue? remember – this was suppose to be our year – our playoff year – when everything came together. last couple of years were suppose to be a “future is now” attitude with Marv running the show – we were suppose to change.
plus – how do we even know that Toronto was his idea and not Ralphs or even Rogers? anyone have any ideas there?
there have been a few teams that played in different stadiums to get some extra $$ – so not exactly ground breaking.
you say the resutls speak for htemselves – i say more data needs to be gathered before we crown him king
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by J2 on Dec 23, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
plus – how do we even know that Toronto was his idea and not Ralphs or even Rogers? anyone have any ideas there?
I doubt it was Ralph’s. Toronto has been there for 50 years and he never did it before.
there have been a few teams that played in different stadiums to get some extra $$ – so not exactly ground breaking.
One team – the Packers. They played in Milwaukee.
you say the resutls speak for htemselves – i say more data needs to be gathered before we crown him king
Who is crowning him anything? I’m saying he’s about the only guy at OBD good at his job.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Umm no.
Brandon just got a new fancy title, his only new say was taking over for Levy in the football department. He continued to have the same amount of power when it comes to marketing. So if the results speak for themselves, he is to blame for the 4 non sell outs.
But of course he’s not to blame. That’s simplifying it way too much. I highly doubt marketing can do much to sell tickets. It’s not like you’re finding new people who had no idea that the Bills were playing here. As I said, there are only two way to sell tickets in Buffalo; hope and results. In 2006 the Bills had neither of them. They were a team that was on the rise in 2004 and then crapped the bed in 2005 winning only 5 games. There was an epic QB battle between JP Losman and Kelly Holcomb. The big offseason acquisition for 2006? Dick Jauron, a retread, uninspiring head coach. They weren’t going to sell seasons before the season and they weren’t going to sell tickets in season when the team stumbled to a 2-5 start.
Is Brandon a good marketing guy? Possibly, who knows? He’s selling the most popular sport to a region that is crazy about it at prices that are nearly cheaper than going to the bar to watch a game.
This offseason he’s gonna have to find way to sell hope all over again and I guarantee it doesn’t come from a new official toilet paper. It’s all about the coach, gm and players.
by twoeightnine on Dec 23, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
He got more than a fancy new title. He got to be Ralph Wilson’s eyes and ears. He literally became the most trusted man at OBD.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
In 2006 the Bills had four consecutive games blacked out including a game against Tennessee where Buffalo was 18,400 seats short by the Thursday black out deadline. As cheap as Buffalo’s seats are, they have one of the biggest stadiums in the league to fill. And are the nosebleeds really that much cheaper then the rest of the league, or do the Bills just lack the suites and other super expensive seats that drive up the cost of the average ticket. Buffalo’s top rows between the end zones cost 45 and 50 dollars per ticket. Is that really all that much lower than the non-huge markets?
And the thing with Russ Brandon that people need to realize is that the non-football side of running the Buffalo Bills is just as big as the football side. And a huge portion of the football side is run by a head coach. Whoever is in charge of the business side has the marketing/advertising to worry about. They’ve also got the process of pricing, selling, delivering and everything else that happens with tickets. There’s an entire stadium to worry about and a whole other bunch of equipment and facilities to care for. There’s all kinds of public relations that go on, especially considering how important sponsers are. The business needs to be insured on every level imaginable. The business side of the Buffalo Bills is a freaking huge job.
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In 2006 the Bills were coming off a disastrous 2005 season in which fans saw a team, who just missed the 2004 playoffs thanks to an epic collapse against Steelers scrubs, falter like only the Bills could do. They went from 9-7 to 5-11 and we witnessed the greatness of QB JP Holcomb. Can you blame people for not wanting to shell out money for 2006 season tickets? Or even buy tickets at any point in the season considering they were 2-5 by the bye week? Brandon was also Executive Vice President of Business Operations at the time so if he’s a great marketing guy now what was he doing wrong then?
As for ticket prices, suites and super expensive seats are not factored in. Anything considered “premium” is excluded and even the percentage of general admission tickets is weighted. Buffalo still comes in as the best bargain in the NFL (if quality of product is not included) and is $23 below the league average. More importantly the Fan Cost Index is the lowest and is $109 below the league average.
http://teammarketing.com.ismmedia.com/ISM3/std-content/repos/Top/News/nfl%20fci%202009.pdf
And the thing with Russ Brandon that people need to realize is that the non-football side of running the Buffalo Bills is just as big as the football side.
Where did I ever say that I didn’t realize that? Every bit that I talked about was the non-football side And you make it sound like the Bills are the only team that has to do that. Umm, hello! EVERY team in the NFL has a non-football side. There is no proof that Brandon is doing a fantabolous job of it. He might be but a lot of the physical stuff that they put out is absolute crap and they should be ashamed of it.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why I said people and not twoeightnine. A lot of that comment is about the way that other people make it seem like Brandon’s job is based around football decisions and that adding a GM would somehow make his job irrelevant. It’s not that I think that Brandon is some marketing genious that should be the envy of the rest of the league. I’m just tired of people bashing Brandon because the team on the field stinks.
My opinion is that the Bills have more nosebleed type seats than most other stadiums and the prices for those seats aren’t that much lower than most of the rest of the league. The Bills don’t have this super loyal fanbase that continues to show up and the seats don’t sell themselves. The greatest comeback in the history of the NFL was a playoff game that was blacked out because they didn’t sell out in time. I just think that Brandon has done a good enough job with marketing to avoid the wrath of angry fans who are so tired of watching this team not make the playoffs that they are starting to blame the guys who make deals with the sponsers for the lack of success.
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My bad.
It’s just the way the threading works that I thought it was directed at me.
I’ve never blamed Russ for the players but I’ve never been a fan of calling him great at what he does. From top to bottom, on and off the field the Bills are pretty much second rate at everything they do. And I’m not sure marketing will ever really help sell tickets. Two things sell tickets in Buffalo, hope and results. We’ve had a lot of the first and none of the second for the past few year.
As for the tickets, you’d be surprised. I sat in the upper, upper, upper section of Fed Ex last year and face was $96.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
No, not your bad at all. I should have been more clear.
I’ve never blamed Russ for the players but I’ve never been a fan of calling him great at what he does
Fair enough.
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No, only the Seattle Mariners can sell out games with a crap product on the field, I know, been there done that
As for nosebleed ticket prices, I could consistently get 30 buck tickets in the upper decks of the stadium for a game, up front and not through Stub Hub.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
Good question about the boxes and factoring them into the average ticket price
My buddy’s family has season tickets for the Giants. Their tickets are about 20 rows up from the field in the corner of one of the end zones. Face value is $60-70 or so, from what I remember him telling me. That just doesn’t seem like a whole lot to me considering where those seats are.
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They don't.
And the Giants are a weird situation. Incredibly expensive general admission tickets, incredibly cheap premium seats. The average premium seats are actually $61 less than premium seats in Buffalo.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
Good point
I love that the Jets premium tickets are $275 more per game, on average, that the Giants premium tickets…..
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They come with free tits.
Fat, ugly, free tits but in New Jersey you can’t be picky.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
hot
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 22, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with most of this but I think the 50th anniversary logo is pretty decent. The travesty came with their honoring it on those stupid costumes they call their standard uniforms.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
What's decent about it?
From a design stand point it’s atrocious. It doesn’t say 50, it says 5o. It’s unusually and needlessly asymmetrical. It’s meaningless outside of using gold to symbolize 50 years. (And the Bills were the only team to do that.) Unless of course it’s a symbol of the mess.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
"New York State residents most unhappy in the nation"
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/22/nyregion/22nyc.html?_r=1&ref=nyregion
I think Buffalo is skewing the data. We really need a quarterback.
by Bill Frank on Dec 22, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
McGee is a great example for us bills fans. We all think he is a great player and very underrated in this league, but all we have to do is take a look at his career stats, and see if this kind of players deserve that kind of money. And I don´t think I have to answer that. We need great players, players who can dominate a game by themselves.
As for who the next GM and Coach will be, I got an advise for them, un the upcoming draft take the best player available on the board and not draft by position needs.
Take a look at last Aprildraft:
KC – takes a player who half of you don´t even remember his name.
OAK – A great receiver
BUF – Maybin????
PLayers available for this 3 teams:
Orakpo
Oher
Cushin
Maualuga
Mathews among many others.
We all fans got to stop living in the mediocrity of the team and start demandind some results.
Every time I think of Oher…I cry. And I didn’t even see the movie.
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by NJBill on Dec 22, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With all the awesome comments in this thread, this has my vote for winner of the day. Rec’d.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 22, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
second that
Though i want to cry mostly because he is not in a Bills jersey. How could we miss out on an opportunity for exposure… oh wait, we got T.O. so we got PLENTY of that…. except that he did very little for us this season once it started. again, buffalo fans expecting that one guy is going to solve all the problems in the organization… OBD is suspect. Coaching staff is questionable Except April and Fewell. (Fewell solid-look at what he has done with an OBLITHERATED defense the last few years…..and …. April for HC!! hahaha. man a controversy and chemistry damaging move that would be…) But i digress. Oher should have been our obvious choice, allowing us much more flexibility with our remaining picks. Maybin may never equal what he is being paid. That is a disappointing and obvious concern as picking the wrong guy in the first round has devistated this team many, many, many, many times. Stop looking for Bruce. He retired. He made it to the HOF. Before Ralph passed. Which i think is just great. let alone Ralph getting in, the same year, if at all. So let’s move on, get a new 3-4 installed, and destroy some teams. and then run. and then run more. that is where all successful teams begin. which means no more AVP experiment. Let him go to Canada or the next installation of the UFL, or XFL, or CRAP FL, since NFL Europe is gone.
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i want to cry mostly because he is not in a Bills jersey
That is what I meant. The interview he gave after being selected was great. He said—with tears in his eyes—something to the effect: “I don’t care at all what place or day I was picked, I’m just thankful and want the Ravens to know that they got a a good football player that will give them everything he has.” He had me at “hello”.
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They only passed on him once.
Baltimore traded up with New England to select him.
by twoeightnine on Dec 23, 2009 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
Your an optimist
5 meaningless internet dollars says we would have passed on him again.
But anyhow now that I think back on it he was picked 25th or 26th right?
I just got back from my companys christmas party so Im not at my peak mental efficiency.
McGee isn't paid like a player that should be dominating games
He’s a legit starting NFL CB. Is he great? Probably not. Is he good? Yup. If he was making $9-10M per season, like a certain WR, I think we could all argue his value and worth.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Chill out everyone!
McGee is a very good corner. Interceptions are not always the best indicator of being a good corner. Look at the passes defended in order to judge him properly. He’s a good CB. You don’t have to be Deion Sanders in order to be an above average NFL CB. The DBs have been the main reason our team has been in any games at all. If we had even a league average offense we’d have 8-10 wins by now. Ask anyone on Sirius NFL Radio and they’ll sing McGee’s praises because he is a well above average player, which is more than you can say for the majority of starting CBs in the NFL.
Agree
Interceptions are not always the best indicator of being a good corner.
Or defensive back.
Jairus Byrd’s 9 interceptions are lulling everyone into believing he’s a stud FS already. He’s very mediocre against the run, and we aren’t even seeing him on the field full-time because of it. I also have seen him slow to passes over the middle at times, but that recognition will come in time.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
Yeah. Byrd is very clearly a “stud” ballhawk, but he’s not an all-around safety.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 22, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but “bright” should not be skewed to look brighter because the team sucks.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 22, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody is disagreeing with that
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
I don’t believe that you can teach someone to be a ballhawk, but you can teach tackling. Byrd should be a complete safety in time.
Interceptions=Bright
Tackling=Dim
Overall=Somewhat Bright
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I agree
Because he has a nose for the ball and has correctable issues, he can definitely become a star FS. I just don’t agree with the people who have already put him in that category simply because of his ball skills.
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"As the governor of Louisiana once said, the only way Chris Kelsay can lose his job is if he got caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy."
disagree
for a kid who has spent most of his time learning ball skills and play diagnosis, he is allowed to range free and has been willing to be involved in the support against the run. obvious that he has opportunity to improve in this regard, but that requires time, effort, and direction which he has proven to be more than capable of as a rookie. it’s hard to believe that if that is the want of the coaching staff, that he wouldn’t get more involved. that being said, shouldn’t the line and LBs worry about the tackling? i mean, last i checked teh SAFETY was to prevent the big play, and was the last line of defense against the opponent. i would prefer he stay back stealing picks and let some fatties and bruisers destroy people. best way to avoid injuries in my opinion is to put out their big time playmakers before they take out ours. Not saying we have to be cheap F***S like Wolfork or Haynesworth or Reggie Nelson or any of those scumbag players. but we can get off the ball and hit hard and be aggressive far more frequently than our ultra conservative play has often resulted in. Be Aggressive B-E Aggressive….. cheered at games throughout the country for a reason. it works.
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obvious that he has opportunity to improve in this regard, but that requires time, effort, and direction which he has proven to be more than capable of as a rookie.
How has he proven to be more than capable?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
he hasn’t shown himself to be dedicated to film study, or putting forth time and effort in understanding the role the bills signed him for? which i thought was ball hawk…… not like they asked for us to sign a hard hitting run stopping strong safety. they wanted a guy to get picks. did he do that? so i suppose he COULD potentially improve if his focus included additional responsibilities. I am just saying he has met each of his expectations as they were given to the extent that any rookie could. LEADING THE LEAGUE with the likes of Sharper and Woodson. Gotta be in the spot and make the catch. two things our DBs fail to do too frequently. ie reggie corner 2 days ago
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I agree he has done what the Bills signed him to do (create interceptions). I also don’t see how that had anything to do with him being a capable run defender which is what you were discussing.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Damn guys, Give rookie Byrd a break!
He has Superceded all expectations and will continue to grow.
Get off his back.
He needs to play more and will develop.
Jeez………………
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 22, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
so i suppose he COULD potentially improve if his focus included additional responsibilities.
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by Ren Diggity on Dec 22, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I am just as hopeful as you that he will do that.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 23, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Good to see Jauron getting work
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That is the most animated he has ever been
we could have used that on the sidelines
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"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
You see that Brohm is starting
Well atleast ESPN says so, nothing on the site yet.
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Yeah I saw that.
You going to be around this weekend?
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
Maybe he should have worn the elf suit instead of the hoodie?????
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Why did that make you hate Christmas?????
Now, hating Elves that look like Jauron I can see :-)
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PFT
reports Brohm will start on sunday link
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No, they’re reporting he’s expected to get the start, just like the Buffalo News did this morning (citing a league source). We won’t know officially until Perry Fewell’s Wednesday presser, unless word leaks that Brohm took first-team reps prior to practice ending.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 22, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Or it could be that Brohm got all the first team reps while an injured Fitz sat out or took part on a limited basis and that got out and PFT is jumping to conclusions.
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They don’t practice today, though. So unless you’re talking about mental reps in the film room we’ve got no way of knowing. PFT just quoted the Buffalo News anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, that is some heavy speculation then.
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Well Ryan Fitzpatrick and crutches seems to indicate he might play
It’s speculation but it’s not exactly crazy
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Would Ryan Fitzpatrick on crutches really be that much worse than Ryan Fitzpatrick off them?
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by UZ on Dec 23, 2009 1:14 AM EST up reply actions
Take away the 41 yard touchdown runs or whatever
And you’ve got … Ryan Fitzpatrick
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
The scariest part of all this is the possibility of Ellis Lankster having to do another post game interview…….please NO
He has a stutter. He’ll never be subjected to that again, i’d say.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
poor guy.
I’m rooting for him, even more than most of the guys.
that being said, the remix of his interview is a straight jam.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
I haven’t seen the remix and will make sure to avoid it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Whoever put him up there
was a completely clueless idiot! Poor kid should not have been anywhere near a microphone.
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exactly… they knew about it before that. Someone should have stopped that press conf, but it shouldnt have ever been started. I understand he had a good game, rookie 7th rounder with 2 ints but still you couldnt help but to feel bad for him up there. Hes a good kid tho, gotta give him props for stickin it out and going up there and still going thru with it.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
Yeah that really was terrible. At least the Bills learned from that one and interviews can all be in the locker room with the cameras off from now on.
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I thought that video was supposed to be destroyed but somebody leaked it.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
It should be intresting to see how Brohm plays.
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It will be...
in training camp and next year.
Let's go for the world record of most guys on IR in one year!!
What is it? 25? 32? We might make it by the end of this weekend.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 22, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions
At this time of the year it's expected.
There’s no point in keeping McGee or Edwards on the active roster even if they’d only miss a couple of games because the season will be over and fresh bodies are needed in the meantime. Toss in the long grind of the season and other players being added that haven’t been playing for months and it’s only going to go up after Sunday.
by twoeightnine on Dec 22, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
I am beginning to worry about Edwards though. He is way too injury-prone. I really want to back him, but he looks like a kid playing football with bowling pins in the back yard. This injury shouldn’t be dismissed when assessing his value to team.
I hate this. I hate how the team continues to put these QBs in situations they can’t succeed in. They get most fans all in for a guy, then they do their damnedest to destroy his career before his cleats are even dirty.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
We just tied the team record of 17.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 22, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
Why not go for the real gold: most guys on IR in 1 week.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 22, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
just forfeit
we may as well. we don’t want the wins, and maybe our goal is to keep all those underutilized inactives from being well known before we show ‘em off, and they all get signed out from under us because we clean house and don’t ever seem to know what we’ve got til their gone….
sounds like a country track. (or a joni mitchell song i suppose is just as likely)
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before we show ‘em off, and they all get signed out from under us
So, we’ve been playing substandard personnel and hoarding the good ones keeping them a deep secret.. Now, we will be afraid to play them and expose the wealth of talent we’ve been hiding.??!! HUH?
As for forfeiting, I don’t think we need to do that either. We are very capable of losing straight up. 5-11 is not in jeopardy.
sarcasm
is lost on some.
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by Ren Diggity on Dec 22, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
Need a Center.....
If it were up to me….
We need a stud Center. I am sick of watching Hang..move backwards…and for those of you not watching closely….it happens too much.
We obviously need a LT. Need a QB. Need a LB.
Of course, draft weekend is unpredictable and I don’t envy the war room staff…but here are my wishes.
1. LT
2. C
3. QB
4. LB
The philosophy here is O line first. QB second….and fill weakness at D. I will not even discuss the DE situation cause it makes me sick to my stomach.
Buffalo Bills or Die.
I agree with LT in round 1.
Some Mocks have the Bills taking Ryan Mallet in round 1. I must admit I haven’t seen the kid play, but I am a sucker for a strong armed QB. I can’t see how I could be talked out of drafting OT at this point, but if any QB could do it, Mallet would be the guy. The pressure to start him would be huge, but he would absolutely need to sit for at least a year. If Wood is going to make a full recovery, then I would shift him to center. The center class this season is not as strong as last season, IMO. If Wood is not going to be ready, Hang will most likely have to do for another season. Either way, we need a RG. I would look to take one in round 3. Round 2 is where I take my developmental QB. Clearly we need LBs. I would take one in round 4 unless a good NT has fallen out of the 2/3rd round for some reason and is to go to pass up.
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Wood is a big if right now....
and I would hate to see any more QB’s behind this line if it doesnt improve in a big hurry.
The last thing I want to see is another developmental stage line…with a young/rookie QB behind it.
Honestly, if the new management goes with Line development on both sides of the ball including depth…and filling in at LB and DE….and not drafting the “franchise QB” until the following year….I may be able to live with that. Football is the line of Scrimmage at its core..and I’m in core mode after the last 10 seasons.
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