Bills embarrassed in Atlanta, fall 31-3
by Brian Galliford on Dec 27, 2009 4:09 PM EST
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PrintIf Perry Fewell harbored faint hope that his interim head coaching status might become more permanent after this season, his team's effort on Sunday may have put at end to those wishes.
The Buffalo Bills were thoroughly embarrassed on Sunday, dropping a hideous 31-3 road decision to the Atlanta Falcons. The loss came in typical Bills fashion, as the Falcons ran for 157 yards, Matt Ryan threw three touchdowns - two to Roddy White - and the Bills' offense turned the ball over three times, one of which was returned for a touchdown by rookie defensive end Lawrence Sidbury.
You want positives? Marcus Stroud blocked a Falcons field goal attempt, and Aaron Schobel - a man reportedly considering retirement - sacked Ryan three times, giving him 10 on the year. It's the fourth time he's recorded 10 or more sacks in his nine-year career.
Brian Brohm got the start at quarterback; playing in his first regular season NFL game and operating a highly watered-down offensive game plan, Brohm completed 17 of 29 passes for 146 yards. He was sacked twice, threw two interceptions, and sported a quarterback rating of 43.2.
Terrell Owens caught four passes for 39 yards. His second grab of the game put him at 1,000 for his illustrious career.
Buffalo drops to 5-10 on the season and are now 2-4 under the direction of Fewell. Buffalo closes out its season next weekend with a home date against the as-of-yet-unbeaten Indianapolis Colts.
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Brohm looked adequate *
*compared to what we’ve seen this year.
I didn’t think it was possible but the Bills YPA actually went down. What’s the rank above Captain Checkdown?
What’s the rank above Captain Checkdown?
I billieve it’s Major Mediocre.
So much wrong with this team. Wake me up when the “big splashes” start to happen. Until then, I’ll revert back to my hole.
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by MonStarr_716 on Dec 27, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Brohm had 4 days in the offense
What were you expecting?
by twoeightnine on Dec 27, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly. I think he threw more and far longer down the field than most of us expected.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
he looked friggin good to me, way better than the two other bozos
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
It didn’t help that AVP has decided that running a draw play on every 2nd and long is a good idea.
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by UZ on Dec 27, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions
Positives and Negatives...
Negatives:
(1) Why not give Steve Johnson a chance? Instead Fewell starts Parrish, lovely.
(2) Why not give Hardy a chance? Instead of leaving Owens there to stink up the field once again?? That first INT was all TO’s fault. Giving TO an End-Around?? C’mon, the guy is too old for that kind of stuff.
(3) Why not throw the ball to Lee? Instead of forcing throws to TO?
(4) Marshawn is REALLY starting to disappoint me…
(5) Can whitner actually tackle someone? Or does he just know how to throw his body at people? Might look spectacular on a few plays but that’s it and then he’s a liability on all other plays.
Positives:
(1) For a rookie, coming in so cold with so few reps with the starters and coming from a West Coast offensive system, I was really impressed. Let’s not forget the horrendous O-Line in front of him. He was really impressive given the situation. I really hope to see him start next week.
(2) Fred Jackson is our future
(3) I think I am really going to like Incognito – he brings attitude and meanness to our line and will be huge in the running game going forward.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
And I forgot the most important positive...
Aaron Schobel deserves better than this team. What a hard worker, he gets too little credit for the league leading INTs, he was a huge part of that.
I really hope that he doesn’t retire because Maybin looks like a complete bust to me.
I have nothing left to say, these Bills have sucked me dry of any hope. Loosing to a team that completes 2-17 for 23y with 1 INT, that is beyond pitiful!
I really hope that he doesn’t retire because Maybin looks like a complete bust to me.
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No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Never said that. Not once. What I am however is a patient man, and I would like to give a guy more then one season before proclaiming him a bust.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
We needed more out of our first rounder this year
And the fact that I didn’t like him at all before we picked him doesn’t make it easier for me to be patient with him. Also, for a guy that really has been lousy this year he walks around with a stupid swagger that is so underserved that it rubs me the wrong way… I look at Orakpo, Oher, Pettigrew & Macks’s season and I really regret that our front office choose this guy.
Nothing left to say...
Not producing much in one’s rookie year and being a bust are two completely different things. Did we need more production from our first pick? Yes. Is it Maybin’s fault that he was needed to produce more? No. Again not producing in his rookie season and being a bust are not the same thing.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Was it Maybin’s fault he held out like a total moron and missed nearly all of training camp? Yes.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 28, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t that more his agent’s fault?
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 28, 2009 1:39 AM EST up reply actions
No...How it works is....Maybin hires an agent so the agent works for Maybin
Maybin can fire the guy if he doesn’t like how the agent is handling contract negotiations. Now, if the player is more concerned with squeezing every last red cent out of a team than making it to camp……
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
That's not how it works.
Especially not with someone as young as Maybin.
by twoeightnine on Dec 28, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
age has nothing to do with the boss / employee relationship
Maybin = boss
agent = employee
Cloud the issue with excuses all you want, but that is the plain truth when you get get down to it.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Actually, no, it wasn’t.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, no, it wasn’t. You can’t just fire a guy in the middle of a contract negotiation, Joe. If he’d done that, he might never have signed.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
You have no way of knowing that
Maybin’s dbag agent wasn’t even talking with the Bills until what…..a week before he signed? All those weeks before were wasted. It is not that hard to get a freaking rookie deal done. You don’t need to reinvent the wheel. Just change the name and the dollar amounts from the guy you signed last year (I know it is not quite that easy). While it may not be all Maybin’s fault, he does own a large piece of it along with the consequences that have come with missing camp.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
You have no way of not knowing it, either.
And that’s kind of my point. Assigning blame in holdouts is pointless unless it’s very obvious, or if the player is a veteran. They happen. Did Maybin’s holdout hurt his development? You bet it did. But let’s not pretend that he’d be Brian Orakpo if he had another month of practice.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure what part you are talking about, but didn't Brandon report that the two sides
were not talking? And don’t lump me in with the Oroidpo lovers. I have never been in that camp. It is a virtual certainty that Maybin would be better with a camp under his belt.
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Oh, I wasn’t lumping you in with anyone. Didn’t mean to come off that way, either.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 28, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
No worries....I wasn't mad....just wanted to be clear :-)
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Joe, you could never be lumped into any type of sub-group. You are most definitely unique, and unlike anyone else out there…..and thank goodness for that.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Hahhaha...Thanks...right back at you buddy ;-)
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It’s also possible for the Bills to be at fault. Maybe Maybin was trying to work Buffalo towards something reasonable and not the other way around.
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couldn't agree more
Maybin absolutely looks like a bust at this point. It’s not a matter of being pessimistic or bill-lieving either (the boring underlying argument at the foundation of all team blogs these days); it’s a matter of using your eyes. He was the 11th pick of the draft and at this point he doesn’t look like he even belongs on an NFL roster. That’s absolutely troubling. Hey, I hope Maybin blossoms ASAP, but if you were taking over as the GM next year, could you count on it happening? Until he shows something, the skeptics are more legitimate. He’s been that bad so far.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
My point is that it is two different arguments. Has Maybin been bad so far? Absolutely, and I don’t think that there is anyone who will argue against that. But is he a bust, as in he will NEVER be a good NFL player and the Bills should dump him now? NO. He is a long way away from that. Could he get there? Sure, he just isn’t there yet.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
You were mocking the poster for saying Maybin “looks like a complete bust.” Frankly, he does at this point and there really isn’t a counterargument. If your argument is that Maybin still has time to turn it around, I agree, but laughing at the notion that Maybin looks completely useless thus far seems ridiculous to me.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
He was insinuating that Schobel shouldn’t retire because the Bills will never get anything out of Maybin, as in he is already a bust and will never contribute anything to the team, which is why he hopes Schobel doesn’t leave. He made it clear that he had already made up his mind on Maybin.
Frankly, he does at this point and there really isn’t a counterargument.
Sure there is. He is 21 years old and came out of college too early. he is still developing and will (hopefully) only get better. It isn’t his fault that the Bills drafted him when they did and that YOU put such high expectations on him.
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those are excuses
Not a counterargument that he objectively looks useless thus far…Let’s asgree to disagree cordially and leave it at that…Go Bills.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
I provide to perfectly reasonable REASON for why he isn’t producing well and you say that they are excuses and not a counterargument.
????
Then you ask to bail on a debate? fine have it your way.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
I'll put it this way then
All circumstances aside, is the notion that Maybin “looks like a complete bust” so far really laughable based on his play?
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
That was more of a “God I am tired of this topic” laugh, rather then a “Keysh you are a fool of thinking that” laugh. I don’t think Keysh is a fool, nor did i intend to ridicule his opinion. I have just simply dumped the “Maybin is a bust” discussion in the same file and the Vick to Buffalo, and Whitner vs. Ngata topics. I am tired of talking about them.
Of course my laugh got me into the very same conversation I wanted to avoid..but oh well.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Of course my laugh got me into the very same conversation I wanted to avoid..
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I'll reply here because I think the way replies shuffle on this blog are confusing to follow at times...
How can anyone expect a green rookie (or really any player on this team) to look good playing for this organization? Everything is a mess and the mere fact that they can still field an entire team at this point in the season should be all we need to cheer them on.
Yes, it’s come to that.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’m surprised Brian didn’t weigh in on this lively exchange. I believe his argument being that Maybin is a project with elite potential that is essentially playing his senior year—not in college like he should have—but in the NFL…and looking like it. Under the circumstances, he won’t compare well to any of the productive 1st rounders mentioned in this thread. Although I thoroughly hated the pick, I think that we need to wait at least to the middle of next season before trotting out the bust label.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
I agree that any labels are premature at this stage, but if it’s kosher to discuss college prospects before every draft (like all fans do- pessimists AND bill-lievers), it’s certainlly fair to gauge a prospect’s potential using a season in the actual league we’re projecting him as a player in as the basis for a judgement. Let’s put it this way" If Maybin went back in the draft this year following what he did this year in the NFL, where do you think he’d go? Take off the Bills’ face paint and I’m sure we’d all agree that we’d like a do-over if given the chance even it’s too ealy to be sure we’re correct in believing what our eyes have seen so far.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
It is definitely fair to say that this kids career arc isn’t looking good right now…and I haven’t seen enough flashes so far to even extrapolate a rosy future…but again, it’s early.
I recently read a “do-over” draft—based of course on 20-20 hindsight vision—and the Bills selected Orakpo. Predictably, Maybin wasn’t even on the list. However, it’s unfair to apply his NFL stats to a draft class with college level play. He’s also playing on a pretty crappy team.
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what is your positive argument?
if sireric only has excuses? what are your facts that he is a bust? stats?
Face facts……………..he missed all of training camp, is young and was a prospect that needed time to develop. That is fact, when the Bills drafted him you should have been resigned to the fact it would take at least 2 yrs for him to show something.
7 games and counting!!!
Maybin "looks like a complete bust." Frankly, he does at this point and there really isn’t a counterargument.
Alright, I didn’t really want to bring out the big guns, but I’m left with no choice. The big gun being time. Would you say a mid to late round pick is a bust for not doing anything this season? Can you believe that Demetrius Bell isn’t a good starter yet? Must be because he’s a bust. I don’t get why we’re holding Maybin to a different standard because he’s a first rounder. Is a first round player expected to be better? Of course. But his struggles don’t mean that he’ll never amount to anything. Im with Eric, It’s totally ridiculous to jump to conclusions about Maybin.
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First of all, the first poster said he “looked” like a bust; that’s not definitive; that’s just the fact of his awful play. Watching Maybin play this year, does he look like he belongs on an NFL roster thus far? I think that’s the real problem. This isn’t a player like McKelvin who looked raw, talented, and not quite ready as a rookie; Maybin actually looks like a fan who won a day as an NFL player promotion. The stakes are higher for first round picks and I don’t see why judging them differently than 7th round flyers is such a cause for the homers to get up in arms. An 11th overall pick should be a slam dunk and so far Maybin “looks” like an absolute joke. Obviously, his struggles so far don’t mean he’ll “never amount to anything”, but they are certain;y a legitimate cause for concern. I don’t think a player who has looked so completely useless in the NFL can be counted on to turn it around. That’s wildly troubling for a player taken so high.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
by Port Royal on Dec 27, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes he said looked, but as I said above he said it while also saying that he hopes Schobel doesn’t retire insinuating that without Schobel next year the Bills will get nothing of a pass rush because Maybin sucks, and apparently won’t do anything next year.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Maybin actually looks like a fan who won a day as an NFL player promotion.
That’s a little harsh. Have you gone to a game lately, and seen the fans? Not too many who have have Maybin’s tools sitting in the stands.
He’s only 21. He’s a child playing against grown men. Give him one, just one, off season at the very least before he’s called a bum.
by krytime on Dec 27, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Port Royal, very well said. Let’s not forget Maybin was a total tool and missed nearly all of training camp because of his idiotic decision to hold out. Yeah, that really helped him….
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by thefourwinds on Dec 28, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
But does that really make him a bust?
Bust is a term used to quickly,frequently, and inappropriately. IMO, bust are player who have reached the pinnacle of their capabilities, which falls far short of their draft status….see Ryan Leaf and Mike Williams. One season is not enough to say that about Maybin. You can say he has been disappointing, slow to develop, has underperformed, etc but not that he is a bust.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
He's not a bust yet
But it’s certainly unreasonable to be dismissive of the notion that he looks like one. The degree of how simply overmatched Maybin has been is a red flag that has many supporters of this team alarmed.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
I think Maybin was looked exactly like what he is
A young kid who should have stayed in school another year and was picked by a team who needed immediate production and is maybe playing him out of position. I don’t blame Maybin for the Bills lack of vision or for being young. Since this team is going to be blown up, Maybin has all the time he needs to develop physically and mentally. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him develop into a ProBowl LB aka Jason Taylor.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Never called him a bust.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 28, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
true, but you did tell Port Royal "well said"
and he said Maybin looked like a bust.
FYI – I have no interest in debating the semantics of being a bust and looking like one.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
To be on the Jason Taylor career track, I would like to see him show a bit more than mere flashes of talent by mid-season 2010, a solid starter by the end of 2011 and an impact player by 2012. The Bills then get to pay a fortune to resign him or let the player they developed walk at the end of the 2013 season.
Of course, this assumes that the young man lives up to expectations. If he develops at a slower pace, then the value the Bills receive for the money/pick diminishes greatly. What if takes him until his last season, when he is age 25, to really light it up. What value will the Bills get out of their pick and monetary investment? One season? A shot at retaining an elite player?
I’m just stating that, to be of value to this team, there has to be a timetable.
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enough with the maybin bust
You can say it was his choice to sit out all of training camp. But the circumstances dictated him to wait. He is a young kid with elite potential.
Maybin is behind Schobel on the depth chart. So when do you expect Maybin to be on the field. Schobel showed on Sunday he can play. Maybin was a young prospect that was far from finished product. Accept the fact that Maybin was a project to start with and not an imediate contributer. Add the fact he is behind a 2 time probowler and way la you have a rookie who will not see much playing time.
7 games and counting!!!
We did?
Even with Orakpo our defense wouldn’t be much and our record sure as hell wouldn’t be better. And you kinda blow your “needed more” argument by including Pettigrew. 30 receptions and 2 TDs from a first rounder? When the 4th rounder who was selected hasn’t put up much worse stats.
by twoeightnine on Dec 27, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
If you followed any of my posts
you’d know that I wanted to trade down for Pettigrew, which we could have.
Pettigrew was injured early in the season. He blocked extremely well this year and came alive towards the end of their season before getting hurt. His blocking would have been a huge benefit to us this year with the problems we had on our Line.
Nothing left to say...
I was with you on Pettigrew. I just don’t want to give up on Maybin yet is all.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
We've wasted the pick now so
we might as well give him as many opportunities this year and next to see if he can turn things around
Nothing left to say...
See Mario Williams.
The Houstan fans were calling him a bust too at this point in his first year.
Doing pretty well now.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 27, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
Thank god we didnt draft Ampbi Okoye a few years back
People would be calling him a bust when he didnt make the pro bowl as a 19 year old.
by mob16151 on Dec 27, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
shawn nelson is goingto be pretty good in my opinion anyway, tight ends come and go. There are very few that are “elite” tight ends, and frankly… I dont think pettigrew is going to be a Tony Gonzo or Antonio Gates, so I am perfectly fine with not trading up for a tight end
If only he could have given us even a glimpse of potential
I don’t consider running after a QB after he had 4-5 seconds to throw much of a glimpse of good things to come.
I won’t call him a bust anytime soon, but I sure wish we’d have seen something from him to get excited about. I had the same feeling with Donte Whitner, and Maybin has looked much worse than Whitner ever did. I’m hopeful, but I’m not that confident that Maybin will ever become anything more than a rotational guy. Luckily, he’s extremely young and should get bigger/quicker. That’s where my hope lies. This is a HUGE offseason for him.
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don’t foget that the new management might not care what position he wants to play and might force him to go to LB
he has good speed and size for a LB – obviously not an ideal path – but neither was George Wilsons and he made the transition fairly well
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by J2 on Dec 28, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll second everything Keysh says. I watched Maybin on a number of plays and he looked helpless. Not one spark of promise. Given the fact that the Bills needed a lot out of their high first round pick this year I think it’s now fair to pronounce him a huge mistake. He may improve next year (although I’m beginning to wonder about that), but from the standpoint of the organization choosing him was a blunder of monumental proportions.
I was also watching Hangartner closely and thought he underperformed badly (as usual). On the first sack he was actually behind his QB. Not exactly the way to offer protection. Again and again Atlanta got penetration up the middle, and it was surely not the fault of Levitre or Incognito. Of course they were also coming around the ends on most plays, but what can you expect if you are fielding your third-string RT and fourth-string LT?
Brohm did look poised, but then again so did Trent when he first started playing for the Bills. Brohm has not yet had the chance to have his confidence ruined by the horrible o-line play on this team. Let’s hope that never happens.
Hangartner closely and thought he underperformed badly (as usual)
I agree 100%, I’d like to see Levitre/Wood/Incognito next year and have Handman as a backup for all three positions and draft a LT in the first round and hope and pray that butler remains healthy. Use Bell as the primary backup for both Tackle positions.
Brohm did look poised, but then again so did Trent when he first started playing for the Bills
True but the main difference is that Brohm definitely has a big arm and it is quite visible on the deeper patterns, he puts a lot more zip on the ball.
Nothing left to say...
let's take a much needed pause to think.
1) Maybin needed another year of development before being a pro.
2) If Maybin stays in college to develop and does anywhere near as well as he did before he entered the draft, he is a top 10, probably top 5 pick.
3) The Bills brass probably knowing this, realizes that it would be just as good to snag him where we did and develop him ourselves, even if he isn’t useful the first year. Why? Because he has loads of potential.
Its either…
A) He develops in college for a year (doing nothing for the Bills) and gets selected high where the Bills wont be able to pick him up
or
B) He develops with the Bills for a year (doing nothing for the Bills) and will be with the team for years to come, assuming he would continue to develop like any other Junior (RS) DE would.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 27, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe you are right but
Then he needs to get in to develop. He’s not developing sitting on the bench.
Nothing left to say...
i agree to an extent there, but...
Schobel is having a great continuance to his career.
Kelsay is having a great year (in comparison to other years) even though he is still mediocre.
Maybin will still gain from practicing during the week, and a NFL off-season for weight training and more football training. I wish Maybin would be played more, but part of the issue is that the people in front of him are doing half-ways decent this year.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 27, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
still disagree on Maybin
I hope Maybin makes an impact next year BUT this Bills had so many holes to fill they shouldn’t have wasted a First Round draft choice on a development project. It was quite obvious that they need a LT and LB.
I do agree it isn’t fair to blame Maybin for the Bills drafting him, he didn’t have a choice.
Please note that I’m not blaming him at all. I’m saying that, given what was at stake this year (and in general), the team really needed to get immediate production out of its first round pick. It was a huge mistake for the Bills to draft him. It was not a huge mistake for Maybin to allow himself to be drafted.
Please note that I, for one, am blaming Maybin for holding out, when what he needs is development.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 28, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Ths is one of the obvious reasons our organization is struggling and it points to the front office, and dick jauron. In a year where he needed to “win now” the front office decided to draft a first round project player for the future. Poor drafting strategy, but Maybin is going to be a serious player in 2-3 years, its just not what we needed at this time.
Same thing with the McGahee pick. It was a must win year for Gregg Williams and yet the FO drafted a guy that wouldn’t contribute until the following year. Teams that have the pieces in place can afford that type of pick, not the Bills.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Schobel is having a great continuance to his career.
Kelsay is having a great year (in comparison to other years) even though he is still mediocre.
Who cares at this point?
Yesterday, with under 10 minutes left in the game, the DE’s in the game were Chris Kelsay and Ryan Denney. That is absolutely unacceptable to not have Maybin in there at that point. Who cares if he gets run over? Get him some playing time in a major blowout at the end of the season.
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Completely agree. There is no reason to not have Maybin in. Idk what the hell Fewell is doing with this “besst players on the field to win a game” crap. Get the roscoes and denneys off the field and get some young players in the game. Does he really think having roscoe freakin parrish gives us the best option to win when the scores 24-3, 31-3, etc… Get these young guys on the field!!!! Who cares what happens to them, they need experience. Losing 31-3 is just as embarrassing as losing 38-3 or whatever they would have been able to put up.
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The play to win thing only matters so much
in evaluating Fewell as a HC candidate here or elsewhere.
Having the ability to recognize talent (good and bad), when to make a change, how to help develop young players and so on is also something that will need to be looked at when evaluating Fewell. Trying to win some games with a pathetic roster is just one part of his evaluation. Unfortunately, Fewell seems intent on proving he can win over most of the other things….
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I agree. I think the complaints about Jauron and now Fewell not getting young players into the game are typcially ridiculous. But when you’re kicking a FG down 28 points with 17 minutes left in the game, you’ve given up on winning. So there really isn’t a point in playing all your best players anymore.
Now, I do think that Fewell owes it to both the team and to himself to do everything he can to win games. They work really hard from summer until now to win games and I think it’s insane when people think they should give up on that during the season. But what’s the point of playing Ryan Denney in the 4th quarter of a blowout?
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But when you’re kicking a FG down 28 points with 17 minutes left in the game, you’ve given up on winning.
Later he said he was just trying to avoid a shutout.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Interior OL
Totally agree here on the idea of Levitre/ Wood/ Incognito as the penciled-in idea for the LG through RG heading into the offseason. Hangartner looks like a reliable backup player with little chance to ever dominate on any given play to my amateur eyes…I think his role in Carolina is his true role in this league and Buffalo’s projection that he could be more was misguided.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
Yes, that’s how I see the interior o-line as well. The big question for me is Bell, who (everyone seems to forget) was starting to play pretty well at LT at the time he was injured. It seems to me it will be up to the new GM and coaching staff to evaluate the 2009 tape on him to decide how badly we need a new LT. Drafting an OT fairly high in the draft would probably be a smart idea, to provide competition for Bell and/or to play RT. But do we really need to do that in the first round, giving up the possibility of a stud OLB or DT to shore up our run defense? I’m not sure.
I really hope that he doesn’t retire because Maybin looks like a complete bust to me.
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by UZ on Dec 27, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
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I’m confused how you can say horrendous O-Line but then mention liking Incognito. I agree with you – I like him too. I just don’t think that line is horrendous. I think they’re great considering their unique situation.
I think Jackson will have a career not unlike Ricky Williams, contribution-wise. He isn’t anywhere near as beat up as most other RBs his age. I’d be happy if he was able to be productive like this until 34.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
Just because he didn't play in the NFL doesn't mean he's not as beat up.
He carried the ball 260+ times a season in the IFL without the benefits of NFL conditioning and health services.
by twoeightnine on Dec 27, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
“great” might be a stretch. but considering the situation, above average. This line is pretty bad in comparison to other teams, so “well enough” is a better term for me.
I agree on Jackson. He definitely is in better shape than most backs his age. I agree 100%.
289 – the guys tackling him in the IFL are no where near NFL conditioning either. And looking at the Bills health services, I wouldnt be suprised if the whole staff was from an IFL team. That is another part of the organization that needs to rebuild as well
I think they’re great considering their unique situation.
We must not be watching the same games my friend. I think they are the worst offensive line I’ve ever watched. If we want to be contenders we start rebuilding there. The Giants and Pats offensive lines have started to age and its no coincidence their dominance is gone.
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I agree Poz
IMO Wood & Levitre were great additions and so was Incognito and if Butler could stay healthy then we are basically one LT away from having a decent Line. Bell and Hangman as our two main backups.
Nothing left to say...
1) Fewell isn’t coaching for Steve Johnson’s future. He’s coaching for his. If Johnson can’t beat out Parrish then something’s not right there. With Johnson.
2) TO scored a TD on an end around this season and runs that play at least once a game. That first INT was not all TO’s fault. It was an inaccurate pass that could have been defended by TO but to call it all TO’s fault is a half truth.
3) Lee had more receptions and targets than TO so…
by twoeightnine on Dec 27, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
head coaching isn't all about wins
eventually development has to be in there somewhere, or your team will just fall apart after a few years.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 27, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
What does he care?
He’s not going to be here in a few years! He’s coaching for his career, not Johnson’s, not the fans.
by twoeightnine on Dec 27, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
exactly, and it's showing he's going to have a piss poor career
if he is completely one dimensional. he’s shown nothing towards development. SJ made this team for a reason, and it’s not because he is a special teams stud. everyone and their grandmas knows that Parrish is a terrible WR. Parrish wont be here in a few years because he is garbage. SJ will be here.
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 27, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
No other front office
is going to give a flying duck that he didn’t get Steve Johnson on the field. I keep on forgetting that fans are in every practice and workout and know that Steve Johnson is the next great WR.
And he’s completely one dimensional but he’s got a college CB who is a ballhawk S and a late round DT who is probably the second best defensive player on the team. He can’t develop anyone I guess.
by twoeightnine on Dec 27, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
at this point in time the word Steve Johnson is also synonymous with James Hardy...
How’s his run D doing these days? how were his defenses of previous years? the fact is he has problems evaluating talent. the only smart decision he has made is by playing Jackson of Lynch.
Trent Edwards, while terrible this year, was still better than Fitzpatrick.
James Hardy and Steve Johnson have a much higher ceiling than Parrish.
He has shown little willingness to develop our younger WRs over useless veterans. Our biggest problem isn’t developing defense. It’s developing our offensive players and coming up with half way decent game plans.
sidenote: its really good that he managed to “develop” a FS who posted a ridiculous number of interceptions in college, as well as being one-dimensional (not the players fault – rookie) in his game (good against the pass, not as good against the run)
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 27, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Fewell didn't develop ball-hawking in Byrd
He was a ball hawk before…now if he had actually become better throughout this year against the run, I would say that he did develop something.
All the other players you mention were either drafts, FA acquisitions or unknown talents offered try-outs. Fewell was not involved in those transactions and cannot be blamed for the talent he was given. He polished that turd as best he could, but in the end he got shiny crap.
The young receivers will likely be here next September….Fewell probably won’t.
He is doing what he can with what he has.
The O-Line is in shambles and was the youngest and least-experienced to start the season anyway.
What pitiful talent we had a LB is also watching from home, but is better than what we have been subjected to for weeks.
Our NFL 3rd ranked pass defense is only so with McGee and Byrd (and maybe even Scott) in the picture, so where were they going today?
Our QB’s are terrible and we are putting a project player in to play with enormous risk to his health behind this O-Line.
With all of that, we are quibbling over a receiver with stone hands and a season ending injury last year and an unproven pro recevier….sorry, but I’ll take the guy with 1000+ career receptions.
IMO, TO is a glory receiver and is not complete because
(a) he is far from being the best blocker out there in the running game
(b) Rarely (see never) plays defender on inaccurate passes. This is so wrong.
I hope that he’s gone after this season, I can’t stand watching his half efforts.
Parrish is lousy and has gooten his chances this year and has done nothing with them. I want to see the young guys get their chance now.
I realize that Fewell is coaching to win and it’s unfortunate that he’s lost sight of the bigger picture. 1-2 more wins will do absolutely nothing for us as a team or him as the potential future HC. At this point his future is already decided. It’s a crying shame that we are not seeing what we have in our young guys. Simply put, Maybin, Hardy, Johnson & Brohm should have started the final 3 games. IMO, Brandon & Wilson should REQUEST it for the last and final game of the season.
Nothing left to say...
Why wouldn't wins matter to him or his career?
Because he lost to NE (A perennial playoff team) with back-ups? Those useless wins you speak of could be the difference for his career between coaching/coordinating a team with a shot vs. landing on the staff of a bottom dweller. This is his audition…while I agree it is somewhat futile at this point based on the players he is fielding, he still has to try.
Brohm should not be starting any games this year, while he looked OK behind this line I would like to see his career as a Bill extend beyond these 2 games. He is an unfinished product and putting him behind this O-Line smacks of desperation. (The games don’t have playoff implications anyway, so why not put in Hamdan and let him handoff all day? Wouldn’t have been much worse than that game plan). Do we really want him running this terrible offense? I would rather have him as a project that a new OC could mold into our “guy”…he has that potential….the only potential he has behind our O-Line is to end up on IR or end his career.
Agree Maybin needs playing time and how could anyone argue in favor of giving Parrish field time…he is terrible.
Fewell is a very competent D-Coordinator and I doubt he gets a HC job based on his few games in Buffalo. So my thinking is that he should act like he has the job and evaluate his men for next year. He’d be doing a favor for the next guy that comes in and chances are he’d be retained as the DC if the new guy is a 4-3 man. Fewell has gotten the most out of this talent-challenged defensive unit. He’s done a phenomenal job given the amount of injuries and our D has always kept us in most games so I think he could stay if he wanted to. I seriously doubt that he thinks he is now HC material based on these couple of games.
Nothing left to say...
why is he a very competent D-coordinator?
and there’s no chance he’s kept as d-coordinator, because there’s no chance we keep his scheme, the tampa-2. Even if we keep the 4-3, it won’t be a tampa 2.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
Which actually
wouldn’t be a bad scheme (Tampa-2 that is) if we had a LB who was worth the price of admission (to a game). I think you are right though. We will address the LB as a need in the draft and then change schemes, so we wallow with useless players/players who would fit another scheme better…for quite some time. Unless, I am proven wrong and the top changes first…don’t see it though. I know it has to happen, but I just don’t think it will.
the time it was successful they didn't just have a linebacker
they had several. and about 4 or 5 hall of famers total on the defense. The defense was designed to stop big plays, because the more plays the offense had to run to grind it out against them, the greater chance there was that 1 of the 5 or 6 playmakers they had out there on every play would make a play. So the scheme was good for them.
But you know what? Methinks it wasn’t the scheme. It was the whole 4 hall of famers plus another couple pro-bowlers off the top of my head thing.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
That almost sounds like it is too much to even hope for at this point...
Certainly that much talent never hurts, but it would be nice to even have some more solid contributors and eventual all-pros/HoF’ers to help facilitate the scheme…
right.
or get a scheme that works with a normal amount of talent and new players.
we don’t have a ton of talent on defense, but I think we’ve absolutely underachieved for the amount we have, and I think a lot of that is the scheme.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
or get a scheme that works with a normal amount of talent and new players.
Which scheme is that? I actually think Buffalo has overacheived on defense during the Jauron era. Going into today’s game, Buffalo’s D was giving up fewer points per game than teams like Chicago, New Orleans, Washington, Miami, Tennessee and the Giants. I think the Bills have a few above average players on the entire D and most of the guys are very replaceable.
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i'm thinking of denver being 5th in total defense despite an aging brian dawkins and champ bailey being the best two players on the field
guys like elvis dumervil aren’t elite players, it just so happens that a lot of people can be pass-rushers in the 3-4. i don’t mean to be that guy and go “3-4 3-4!” but it’s the first thought that came to mind. Philadelphia also doesn’t have a zillion pro-bowlers, but remains competent.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
That Broncos defense has fallen apart. They’ve given up 27 or more points in 6 of their last 9 games. If it’s so easy to rush the passer out of a 3-4 then why is Dumervil the only player on that team with more than Vonnie Holiday’s 5 sacks? Of the six teams tied or ahead of the Broncos in sacks, half of them run a 4-3 including Philly. My whole point wasn’t that a cover 2 is better, I just don’t think it’s worse than other systems. They all work.
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Can’t you say that about every great defense? Nah, the Ravens didn’t have a good scheme, it was just Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Chris McAllister and a bevy of pass rushers and run stuffing defensive lineman. Every great defense is going to have great players and that doesn’t mean the scheme is irrelevant. Indy is having a pretty great season running a cover 2 defense with two good defensive ends and a bunch of really, really average players.
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by kaisertown on Dec 28, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
except that the Colts ditched the tampa 2 after last season...
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
They still run a version of the cover 2 even though it isn’t the classic tampa 2. The Colts don’t have a defender with more than one sack who doesn’t play on the defensive line and they’re a zone coverage team. It’s as close to the Tampa 2 as any defense in the league runs, probably by a lot.
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Are you connected with the next new head coach?
because there’s no chance we keep his scheme, the tampa-2
Nothing left to say...
"Are you connected with the next new head coach?"
no i’m not…but the NFL is a copycat league, and nobody runs the tampa-2 anymore. Is the popularity of defenses cyclical? Yeah probably, but right now, there is no less in-vogue defense than the tampa 2.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
The Vikings run it. The Colts run it. They have two of the top 4 records in the NFL.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
I think...
we are of like mind in this. I said very similar things in a response above.
If Johnson can’t beat out Parrish then something’s not right there. With Johnson.
Disagree. Remember, these are mostly the same people who let Fred Jackson sit on the bench until the 2008 season. If Fewell can’t see that Parrish blows, I don’t see much to commend him as a head coach.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 28, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Giving TO an End-Around?? C’mon, the guy is too old for that kind of stuff.
He took one to the house a month ago!
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Well....today's game
……1 -reinforces the idea we need a big makeover in management, which includes coaching. Perry, today, coached just like DJ, except he smiled a lot more.
……2 – Brohm showed enough potential that he deserves more playing time and consideration as a possible future QB. Dump the two other losers.
…..3 – makes me feel sorry for Schobel, and almost wish he gets moved to a Super Bowl-contending team, because he deserves a shot at a ring.
I´ve said it all year long but some of you don´t wanna face the truth. Maybin had bust written all over him since April 28.
And all of you who call Donte a playmaker, better study harder for next year.
GET Aaron and Fred out of the picture and we are a complete joke.
Huh?
And all of you who call Donte a playmaker, better study harder for next year.
Good luck finding anyone who calls Whitner a playmaker.
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cant recall anyone ever calling Whitner a play-maker...
If anything he allows the other team to make plays, certainly not our D.
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Why Defend this team! They are terrible, face it!
I grow tired of some of the posts defending this team and organization, when they are last in defense and offense statistically, They are now headed for 5-11 season, of which I believe if Indy sit’s their starters, they can still beat this team – This is how bad they are. Granted that their have been numerous injuries. But face it, Marshawn Lynch ran for 3 yards today, while Maybin is a bust until he prove’s otherwise. We all remember Erik Flowers. Maybin looks very slender in my opinion to be a pass rushing threat. He weighs only 245-250 lbs., and had less than one full year at Penn State. Until he play’s better, he is a bust. Just like this whole team is this year!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who is defending them???
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by sireric on Dec 27, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
WHO is defending anything about this franchise?
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I’m not even defending them anymore! LOL
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Until he play’s better, he is a bust.
some people don’t know what bust means, i guess. Same goes for the guy who calls Reggie Corner a bust farther down in the post.
1. a rookie can’t be a bust.
2. a second year guy who has shown even an ounce of ability isnt a bust if they were drafted in the 4th round! C’mon, were you people expecting corner to be an all-star?
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
Whitner is a joke as well!
When we could have drafted Ngata, who would surely help with the inept defense trying to stop the run!
I think it’s time to let this go.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Since when are the people here good at letting things go?
Aaron Maybin could turn into a stud and these jokers would still be crying because he wasn’t the next Bruce Smith or something.
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by UZ on Dec 27, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
The Bills’ run D was pretty good today. They lost because they couldn’t score any points.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
dude stop with Ngata
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by poz on Dec 27, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Got to thinking while watching this schlacking we called a game...
Why would they sit Manning next week…when they could just play him with the confidence that our pass rush will almost never get to him (he is usually one of the least touched QB’s in the league, and this year is no exception), and all he has to do is throw it at Reggie “Nowhere Man” Corner all day and pick up about 1000 yds…might move him up in the rankings a bit!
You did see all the sacks Schobel had today, right?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
In all fairness...
they were only against Atlanta. But, yes I did and each one was a thing of beauty. That being said, I would still play Peyton as much as possible.
Peyton won’t play next week. He’s been out for awhile now against the Jets. Thanks for the 9.6 pts this week Manning! It wouldn’t have mattered if I sat him though. Palmer and Hasselbeck both stunk.
Manning never looked so dejected watching the team give a game away to the Jets.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
crap!
i started manning this week… i think i have ray rice on that team too though so it might have balanced out…
I’m amazed as you’re probably in your league’s championship and seem fairly nonchalant about the whole matter.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
your right
was being a little nonchalant, only because at the time i thought i had done it and there was nothing i could do about it… turns out i didn’t start him, i started alex smith, and i’ve still won this week of the championship matchup 110-82
Fewell showed guts by starting Brohm..
I was TOTALLY against that,but it looks like I was wrong..While His inexperience showed through a lot,I thought He showed a lot of poise and even a bit of accuracy..If nothing else worked out today I would say that His play was a plus for this team..I’d still rather see someone else start the last game though,but with the way He looked I’d say that we’re looking to draft a QB in maybe the 3rd round now unless someone that stands out, drops right in out laps..
Guts?? The other two were too injured to play. Not much guts there.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 28, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions
Guts would be allowing Klopf to start at QB!!
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by UZ on Dec 28, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the positive from this week
No other team can say they scored fewer points today than Buffalo (I’d bet money Washington bests them).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions
The replies on this post were very depressing to read.
I am sad now. Go Bills! Win one last game for Peppermint Perry.
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I hope Brian doesn't actually break down film.
If he does he will probably end up like Percy Whitmore after the big guy blows the bugs in his mouth in The Green Mile.
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Mumbo-Jumble of notes:
- Aaron Maybin probably got fewer than 20 snaps again, that’s no way to help the kid out. I still find it funny that there’s a group of about 4 or 5 people here sobbing into their pillows about how much of a bust Aaron is.
- Corner is still the worst cornerback I’ve seen in ages.
- Florence is still overrated.
- Brohm didn’t look god-awful, but if you honestly think that performance was good enough to start calling him the QB of the future you’re kidding yourself. He only didn’t look bad compared to some other performances Trent and Fitzy had this year… and at least they threw TD’s.
- I’ve been supporting AVP all year long, but his inability to realize that draw plays on 2nd and long aren’t working yet running them every time is finally starting to hit a nerve.
- Is it sad that the most exciting play of the day only ALMOST happened?
- WE’RE NOT GOING 7-9!! :D
Wake me up when next year starts.
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Word
Corner is terrible. Definitely not worth keeping around. I think if we compare the situations of Maybin v. Corner we would see that Corner is the bust, Maybin needs more time. Again, Corner should be cut the day after the regular season ends.
Florence
I am not sure if he was over-rated, or if he was billed as a solid player who we all expected way more from because Corner is so terrible
I still like D-Flo….he’s been solid all year, and IMO has been the most consistent cover man…..this is one bad game where he was consistently beat….remember that he was ill during the week and was questionable to even play today
When you are playing alongside Corner
You never look like the chump on the field, no matter how consistently you get beat on a given day ;)
But yeah, I was glad he was in there…he didn’t look like himself today.
Youboty looked terrible.
He was getting beat on coverages, he looked lost on some plays and he was borderline interfering the few times he was actually in the right place.
Sounds about par for the course to me.
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Corner of Flo?
Flo was not looking like himself today. I think if he had a pulse they would have played him…H1N1 be damned (don’t actually know what he was sick with, but he was questionable today)…that performance was questionable.
I heard many a person calling him the most valuable member of the defense a couple weeks ago.
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He is about as solid a perormer as you can get...
without being spectacular. I like the pick-up frankly.
Florence is a great NICKELBACK, he should not be a starter or even spot starter, but thanks the Mash unit that is the Bills
He has to be a starter.
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thoughts
1. we stink and we all knew that. Big deal. Did anyone expect anything else but the result? As soon as I knew Brian Brohm was starting behind that offensive line and with 22 players on injured reserve I knew it was going to be a blow out.
2. Last year everyone was mad at Schobel for not producing and wanted to trade or cut him and now we all dont think we’re good enough for him and want him to go to a Super Bowl contender because hes better than us? HA! Schobel is an integral part of our defense. I’ll keep him right here thank you very much. Either retire or play for us. If he goes to play for a contender I’ll be furious unless that contender is us.
3. This team has a ton of talent. It needs an offensive line and a QB. if we weren’t record breakingly injured we could fix this thing with some key free agent signings and draft picks. Buffalo didnt want to spend the money on the big name centers and settled for Hangartner. The Bills didn’t want to draft a LT and settled for Bell. Let’s not settle this off-season and things could be better, especially if we sign a veteran QB. Defensively there is a lot of talent – too bad its all hurt – and offensively we have skill position players. We NEED a QB and linemen. And to stay healthy.
4. As Parcells said, we are what our record says we are. And thats awful.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Good points—big question is where do we get a QB ?
by radan on Dec 27, 2009 7:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are they really up to 22 players on IR?! I thought it was 18.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions
i dont think the 18 figure
counts guys like DiGiorgio if I’m not mistaken so I just threw that number 22 out there during my rant as an approximation guess. Can someone who knows the exact IR count fill us in? Its just so high I figured 22 is the same as 20 or 21. .
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Digiorgio was released and as such doesn’t count.
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/roster.html
Scroll to the bottom for the authentic IR list.
We’re currently at 19.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Staying healthy would seem like one of the biggest, if not THE biggest thing. I agree though, we need to address the O-line and the QB position. I personally agree whole heartedly with the bringing in a veteran philosophy, however I don’t know just how quality a veteran we can get, because I really have no idea who’s going to be available. And I really would like to see us stay away from Pennington, which is an idea I’ve seen brought up in numerous posts lately. Not that he’s a bad option, if you could guarantee his health wouldn’t be as big a concern as it’s looking it could possibly be.
If he’s there I like Campbell. The reality of the situation is that we’re going to have to see where the dominos fall as far as where the front office and coaching staff is going. I like Campbell’s skill set but don’t know what kind of system the team is going to be employing so I don’t know. If we’re going with a one year stop-gap at QB I’d much rather see them get someone who can mentor a young guy because I don’t see Campbell being of the mentoring sort… what’s Kerry Collins doing next year?
my observations
sorry i couldn’t be a part of the game thread, i watched the game on about a 2 hour tape delay.
1. Brohm wasn’t good, but he wasn’t bad either. For a guy who’s 6 weeks into a job, I liked what I saw. He checked down a bunch, but he also made some really, really good throws. The only two obvious mistakes he made IMO were the underthrown deep ball and the floater for the second pick. He threw a couple passes over the middle that Trent won’t make, and that Fitz can’t make. Also, he didn’t look overwhelmed out there, and for a guy who looked clueless in pre-season games, that’s not nothing.
2. Gotta get stupar more touches.
3. Imagine if Moorman got to punt in a dome? The numbers he’d put up’d be ridiculous.
4. We put together the worst display of kickoff returns that didn’t result in a turnover I’ve ever seen.
5. Was Roscoe under orders to fair catch the first couple punts? He was being super, super super conservative.
6. After a good game last week, Poz was back to his normal self. In fact, after a nice tackle in the first quarter he was invisible even by his standards. Changing schemes might make him a better player, but it won’t make him faster and it won’t help him learn to shed blocks. It’s nice that he’s fiery, but if that were the standard, George Wilson would be a pro-bowler.
7. Nice to see Coy Wire out there. We desperately need another undersized converted safety to play at linebacker. Our loss.
8. Ngata! Something something bust! Ngata!
9. That blocked field goal into a return was the most fun I’ve seen any of the players have on the field all year.
10. Great game by Schobel. Good for him. 2 of those 3 were not the “Schobel Sacks” aka Coverage Sacks we’ve always seen. If this is his last year, I wish him well. As I said on the other thread, it’s not his fault he isn’t an elite passrusher. He’s an awful good one. Good on him. Nice career Aaron. Sorry we couldn’t get the IT-man to play opposite you.
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by JPH on Dec 27, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
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9. That blocked field goal into a return was the most fun I’ve seen any of the players have on the field all year.
Another thing that Reggie Corner screwed up.
:)
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Kickoffs
Why in the hell were the Bills using a holder on the Kickoffs? We were playing in a damn dome?
the tee got hurt during warmups.
He’s day to day, but they’re learning towards IR i believe.
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by JPH on Dec 27, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I said the same thing!
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
hopefully Brohm starts again next week............
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 27, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions
It may be the ONLY way to get fans into the stadium next week. I bet the game will be blacked out.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 27, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who wants to see Gibran just for the hell of it?
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Well, it does feel like a preseason game vs Indy
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Is there any other “younger guys” left that you would like to see play. Finding a GM shouldn’t be too hard, I thought the list would be short but after reading alot of these post, it is alot longer than one would expect. So who we going to trade this week for more draft picks? Poz thanks for posting everything I would like to say. Seric, agreed with your comments as well. Well the off season is one week away, Keysh good luck in your new assignment, you’ll be missed.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
List for GM will always seem long when you don’t have one now and have only had one good one in 50 yrs.
by radan on Dec 27, 2009 9:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think we as Bills fans confuse talent with superstardom
We have the talent…not on the field certainly as most of it is on IR…but solid talent does not equal superstar. Talent does not mean doing something better than someone else as those are levels of proficiency. Talent also has nothing to do with the result. Maybin has talent and hasn’t contributed a darn thing, but he COULD because he has talent. There are so many gaping holes due to lack of talent (legitimately) and injury that it makes sense we can’t see it now. McGee has exceptional talent…will he go to Canton, probably not, but his talent bears mentioning if for no other reason than solid contribution is also important to team success. Florence is talented and solid, while being not exceptional. Byrd clearly has talent. Wilson has talent, though he is somewhat unpolished and will probably remain so due to age and lack of development. Poz has talent, Kawicka has talent, Stroud has talent, Willams has talent, Schobel has talent in spades…part of the problem is the drop-off in talent around the talented players. Our talent isn’t good enough to make up for under-performance in other positions…they are what they are…solid, dependable, and sometimes incredibly lucky.
That being said...
it would be nice to have at least one superstar!!!
We need veterans players and coaches on free agency to turn the D to 3 4, and get rid of Donte, Scott and Corner, lets see if we could get a Dallas cheerleader for them
Brian. Need summaries of available OL,LB,DL, and WR free agents. Ralph needs to spend some payroll in addition to front office housecleaning. Draft can only fill a hole or two immediately.
by radan on Dec 27, 2009 9:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Might have know Brian wouldn’t miss anything.
by radan on Dec 27, 2009 10:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Thanks and appears you’re right. Things look desperate for quick solution.
by radan on Dec 27, 2009 10:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
No problem...
and not to steal his thunder, but Brian has said before and I am sure will say again, that you do not build a championship team through FA…this isn’t baseball. Would be nice to fill at least one of our glaring holes in FA though…
Understood. Thought that given winners/spenders will have their hands tied a bit in non contract scenario, so might be a bit different this year—maybe not.
by radan on Dec 27, 2009 10:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Bills have spent huge coin on the OL. Remember how that went? Most teams don’t let their star OL players walk, if they’re worth keeping. I’d say the Bills are going “oops” on the Jason Peters fiasco. Look at the Jets. They have 4 out of 5 guys on their OL who were #1 draft picks. As of yesterday, that entire unit had played 30 games in a row without a change.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 28, 2009 7:10 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly!!! What the Bills did to their line since the end of last season was beyond foolish. I can’t imagine any random Bills fan developing a more inept personnel strategy or making worse decisions when it comes to the offensive line. Everyone involved should be terminated.
Yes, no plan can account for the insane number of injuries, but relying on the oft-injured Butler and newcomer—and equally fragile—Bell to protect the ends, with no reliable back-up was extremely risky. Throw in a young second string center and two rookies in the interior, again without decent back-up and you have a unit built upon hope and prayer. WTF to the 10th power.
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But the Jets OL is largely built through FA. Half of those first rounders were signed as free agents (Woody and Faneca).
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I can’t stand it when I watch a Jets game and have to hear the mindless drones that are the TV announcers mention that every 5 minutes, (yes I’m looking at you Ian Eagle.) It’s like they have some thought that just because a guy was drafted in the 1st round he is automatically good. I could name 20 offensive linemen who were taken in the first round who stink.
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But in this case, they are good. The Jets have the #1 rushing attack in the NFL. Imagine how good they would be with a QB who wasn’t new to the league.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 28, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
Woody is, in my opinion, average at best. Mangold and Faneca are studs, I will give you those two. Ferguson is ok, he plays a tough position, but I’m not sure I would put him in the top ten LTs in the league. They are a good group as a whole, but I would take the Giants o-line over them even with their struggles this year, and there isn’t a single 1st rounder in that group at all.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
1st. Embarrassing is just something Im getting used to with this team… aah :-/
2nd. Regarding Cory McIntyre… is his name pronounced “Mic-in-tree” or “mac-in-tire” …. I could have sworn prior to this year he has been “mic-in-tree” but I’ve heard the other one all year and just wondered whats going on with that?
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Careful, he almost lead the team in receptions yesterday, instead he was tied with Owens for second place. Yikes!
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the best part, if I remember correctly, was that he “reportedly rode away on a bicycle.”
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I was more fond of “I’M KO SIMPSON OF THE BUFFALO BILLS, I AM WORTH MILLIONS!”
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by UZ on Dec 29, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
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