Evaluating a Beating, Logically
by WagonCircler12 on Dec 28, 2009 12:01 AM EST
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So, I watched the Bills game twice today. Why? Because evidently I am a glutton for punishment, and because I love watching young QB's play football and try and guess whether they will become studs like Jim Kelly, or horrible Todd Collins and JP Losman. I feel like Brohm played a very good game based on his situation. Let's disect.
1) He possibly could have been playing behind the worst offensive line in the history of football.
Can any Bills fan honestly say that Jimmy Clausen, Sam Bradford, Ryan Mallet or Tony Pike would look better than Brohm did today based off of pass protection? Can any Bills fan say Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, or Chad Henne would have looked better than Brohm? I don't think so, and they are all 2nd year QB's just like him. The deep ball to TO could have been a better throw, but every QB misses that pass every now and then. It happens when you go deep.
2) Brohm's arm strength showed, as did his poise.
I'm not going to say he has the strongest arm in history, but it was pretty evident that he has an NFL caliber arm. Unless I have been brain washed because of watching Fitz and Captain Checkdown throw floaters all over the field, he passes had some zip, and he definitely threw some passes that I don't think AVP would have tried with the other 2 QB's. Also, for a 2nd year guy, he threw a couple of good passes with defenders right in his face. Not that they were 15 yard posts, but he still was accurate to the backs when the blitz was finishing his 3 step drop for him. He has not played a down in an regular season NFL game until this afternoon.
I will not lie when I say I like Brohm as a QB. Did at Louisville, and wanted the Bills to draft him in 08. But I will also say that I felt going into the off season was all about drafting a QB in the first round, and signing a left tackle. I think after the game today, we don't draft a QB. We go with Brohm, and probably Fitzpatrick as a backup or 3rd QB depending if we sign a solid veteran that can teach Brohm. Then we draft a LT in the 1st round hopefully, or a DT. After that, we could probably draft lineman with every single pick they way they get injured in Buffalo. I say let TO go, maybe bring in a guy like Kevin Walter from Houston who I believe is a free agent, and resign Josh Reed. If we build a good run blocking line, we can win with a strong D and a solid offense as Brohm develops.
Building a strong defense is going to take a little work, but I don't think a ton. We need another good DT. That's obvious. We need a playmaker at LB. Doesnt' matter if it is inside or outside, but we need a playmaker, and it will help make the others better. Poz and Mitchell would look amazing if Ray Lewis was the MLB as an example. I'm not sure of FA's available at the position, but there has to be an upgrade for next year. The top of the wishlist would be Karlos Dansby for ARZ. Ralph should open the pocketbook for him, no matter the price. I truly believe our secondary is solid, when they are not all injured. McKelvin, McGee, D-Flo make a very solid top 3. This helps to hide guys like Reggie "I shouldn't be a" Corner. And the safety positions seem to constantly make plays, but need to eliminate mistakes, which should happen with maturity.
The strong run blocking O-line should be, Butler, Cogs, Levitre, Wood, if Wood can still play at a high level. Then we either draft a LT, or try and sign someone who can play well, not an overrated piece of garbage like Langston Walker. Chad Clifton comes to mind. Wood and Cogs would be nasty at the guard spot, both are obviously tough guys. Levitre I feel could be a great center, seems like he is a smart technical player. Kinda like Kent Hull, but that would be unfair to compare right now. Butler can play RT, if he stays healthy. If he doesn't, we should keep Bell and Merideth as the backups, and obviously Hangarter should be the swing guy for the middle.
That's the model that I see for the team, and it's a lot of info in one post. But I don't know that this model works if we start from scratch with another QB. I feel like it would be a wasted pick. I feel Brohm deserves a chance, I hope he gets it.
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Andy needs to stay at guard and not move around
Wood needs to be our Center thats what he was in college and shoulda been drafted as
by Parrish11rules on Dec 28, 2009 12:22 AM EST reply actions
bump butler back in to RG
throw bell in at RT (or keep him at left – he was getting better, no better no worse than most rookies)
and draft a LT/RT, we have our new OL with Hang/Incognito(possibly) for depth and maybe either Jamon Meredith / Jonathon Scott
Rookie/Bell – Levitre – Wood – Butler – Rookie/Bell
Hang – Incognito – Meredith
Darkhorse route: Draft Mike Iupati
Bell – Levitre – Wood – Iupati – Butler
Hang – Incognito – Meredith
by NordicBillsfan on Dec 28, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
your o-line
I agree with it. I sure hope we draft best OT available (Okung, Campbell, Davis) in that priority.
by jerseybuckeye on Dec 28, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t care how bad the O-Line is. I would NEVER hand the keys to my franchise to a kid who passed for 140 yards with 2 INTs on the day.
If they don’t draft a QB (They should) they jolly well better snag a veteran instead because letting Brohm loose with no regards to anything will probably set the franchise back yet another 2 or 3 years. There’s a reason he never made it farther than the practice squad in GB….
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
You need to look at Brian’s earlier wise post reminding all of us not to judge Brohm one way or another based on his performance today. What we saw out there against Atlanta is TOTALLY meaningless in terms of how he may do next year after he has had a reasonable chance to learn the offense and develop a little chemistry wth his receivers. Brohm may be the next Jim Kelly or he may be a complete bust or something inbetween. There is no way to know for sure until next summer at the soonest.
I agree that we do need to wait until next summer. However, there will be a new offensive system in place. My point is that it makes no sense to draft a QB in the 1st round. If you do that, all the pressure is on the team to play the rookie, and we may never get a chance to find out everything about Brohm. I’m not saying he’s the next Jim Kelly, but shouldn’t the team at least take a look.
by WagonCircler12 on Dec 28, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
If there’s a new offensive system that’s the perfect time to bring in a fresh face. I’m not saying we should waste our 1st round pick or even our 2nd round pick on Sam Bradford, but if they can get a Tony Pike or Dan LeFevour to see what they can do and have them battle with Brohm in training camp… I’d be ecstatic.
The only pressure for playing the rookie would come from the fanbase. And since when does this team listen to its fanbase?
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by UZ on Dec 28, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed, and why do people thing Richie is a good player?
Sometimes I get the feeling if he tried to run someone over with his car, people would think he was a ProBowler.
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Because
He can make a block on running plays and make another block at the second level, that is what incognito is good at.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 29, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 30, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions
it is precisely this uncertainty
that will force us to draft a QB early. We know nothing of Brohm and won’t after two games. This fanbase demands they make a move to upgrade QB after repeated failures at the position ever since Jim Kelly. Developing a QB we know nothing about is not enough.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
In fairness, Brohm may never have fit the long-term offensive goals of the team, even as a reserve. He doesn’t seem to be a QB in the mold of Aaron Rodgers, and I don’t mean on talent. I mean style.
I think he will get a shot, even if it’s with a new coaching staff. I also don’t think Edwards is a goner. He’s cheap and does have experience in the NFL.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 28, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Which is why you might consider trading Edwards to a team that needs a backup. That way, we could at least get a late round pick out of him. I’ve been as big an Edwards supporter as there has been, but if we can pick a more proven guy to be our starter while Brohm and a rookie develop, I think that would be the best course of action.
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This. If a team could be suckered into giving up a 4th round pick for Edwards I’d be thrilled.
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by UZ on Dec 29, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
bold declaration
I appreciate this fanpost even though I’m not sure if I entirely agree because its well thought out.
I can get on board with signing a stud linebacker. We need one badly.
Drafting a LT first I too can get on board with.
But Brohm should not be a project we take on without a very good alternative in another young QB for him to compete with for the job.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
Pretty much this.
I’d be ECSTATIC if the Bills got McClain in the first round and then worried about QB and LT in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I don’t think there’s many Bills fans who would really be thrilled with the prospect of getting a 1st round QB pick, especially since there’s a good chance the “Big 2” (Clausen/Bradford) will be gone by the time the Bills pick.
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by UZ on Dec 28, 2009 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
Brohm is our young QB to develop
Thats why we went and signed him. Yes it is to soon to evaluate. We do not need two young QB’s to label projects. Only creates contraversay. The problem is the FA list isn’t very long. At least a legitamate FA. The bigger question is what are we going to sacrafice to create this legitamate FA/Trade.
We have enough talent on this team for a good HC to to get something together, but we also have enough holes where we really can’t mortgage the farm to get it done—- easily.
good post, presented very well, keep thinking LB, DT, OL but more importantly, the return to health of all the average to mediocre talent we lost to injury this year, because our depth is borderline putrid in alot of areas.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
Thats why we went and signed him.
Wrong. If they actually called up Green Bay and took Brohm away from them expecting him to be the face of the Franchise… the people running this organization are even dumber than we first thought. Brohm will be a cantidate for next year certainly, but it makes complete sense to go out and get someone new that hasn’t been wallowing on a Practice squad for 2 years to compete with him.
If you’re just going to hand Brohm the franchise you’re making a really dumb mistake.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
Well, I don’t think anybody expected a practice squad player to be the face of the franchise, at least immediately. Like you though, I disagree that we can’t have 2 project players. I’d actually support a project rookie, Brohm, and a vet to battle it out with Brohm for the starting spot.
Just for the record, Brohm was the #3 QB in Green Bay last year and only got bumped down to the PS this year.
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He was still the third QB this year. They kept two on their active roster and had Brohm on PS.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 29, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Drafting a QB Stinks
The failure rate is so high and it takes three years to find out you failed. What are the odds a 1st round QB is going to be any good? I’d say less than a 50% chance and when a QB fails it’s a total failure. At least we did not draft Russell.
not looking forward to next 3 years
A young QB will throw 5 interceptions or blow it in the last 2 minutes. Then we have to “give him time” or get overly optomistic when they have their first big game. Tow years of slow improvement… ug.
At least we did not draft Russell.
Every time I think it stinks rooting for this train wreck, I think a bit about how messed up the Raiders are.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 28, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said before, nobody here is crying out to get a QB in the 1st round. There are plenty of QB’s in this draft and spending a 2nd or 3rd rounder on one won’t will us.
Does anyone really, REALLY think this team will compete next year? That seems to be the underlying theme to all of this.
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i think that Brohm will get his chance in the game aganinst the Colts
it will be like a pre season game cuz the colts will play with thier scrubs but invaluable experience for Brohm and a real chance to see what he has … i hope he does well and please take TO out. If he isnt gonna protect the QB on balls thrown deep then dont try to throw him the ball
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Nice try
I appreciate your never say die attitude but we are totally screwed
We need another good DT. That’s obvious.
Why is it obvious? Stroud hasn’t been a monster but he’s hardly been bad enough to warrant an “obvious” upgrade. We need a 3rd/4th DT who might take over for Stroud one day. Is that really obvious from watching the game?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 29, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions
you have to wonder though if Stroud might conside retirement as well. i wouldn’ tbe surprised if him and schobel either a) retire or b) demand a trade. both of them don’t want to go through a rebuilding project i’m sure. To be honest – they shouldn’t have to
Never put salt in your eyes
Scott Loffler should be the next Bills GM
If Schobel didn’t see a rebuilding project coming when he signed his extension that is his fault. You sign your contract with that team to play for that team.
by BillsfanDan on Dec 30, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
you’re right, there is no obvious proof of needing another DT from the game. I guess as I typed the post the whole season of disappointment crept in my brain. However, I do think it is obvious that we need another DT just for the rotation. Stroud is going to keep aging, and KW is an overachiever. I think one more big athletic body in the middle of the line keeps everyone more fresh, and gets us off the field faster, like in the 4th quarter where the Bills held the ball for 3 minutes.
by WagonCircler12 on Dec 29, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
It has so much more to do with the LB corps anyways. Besides if the Bills switch to a 3-4 (a move I am against) then it’s a moot point.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 29, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wow, I thought I might be the only one against a 3-4 defense here.
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by UZ on Dec 29, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t say that I’m against moving to a 3-4, but I’d prefer they stick with the 4-3. Kyle Williams and Poz are two of their better players and are both a much, much better fit in a 4-3. I don’t think either of those guys would still be on the team come the 2011 season if we switched over to a 3-4 and I think it’s a waste of some of the more solid players, hard workers and salary friendly guys on the roster.
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the last thing we need is a 3-4. That entails having a great NT but having at least 2-3 good linebackers. Our linebackers right now are just average. Look at 3-4 teams, the formula is 2-3 good linebackers and a great NT.
by jerseybuckeye on Dec 29, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Guess I’ve been listening to too much Orakpo-fanclub talk.
I’m not totally against moving to a 3-4, but 4-3 has always been my favorite scheme. As long as they move away from that god-awful Tampa 2 scheme I think this D is going places for the future.
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by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 1:44 AM EST up reply actions
I’m not saying that 4-3 in my favorite scheme. I like the concept of bringing guys from the LB corps all over the OL. The problem is too many teams are playing it right now and it’s impossible to get a NT. Just ask the Chiefs.
With that being said I wouldn’t mind lining up a Vince Wilfork in the middle of our DL if we did switch. He may not play possessed once he gets his contract but he would fit the (rather large I’d imagine) bill.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
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