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Buffalo Rumblings' Top 10 2010 NFL Draft Prospects

Yes, I'm well aware that it is only December 29. Many college bowl games have not yet taken place, top-flight underclassmen still have more than two weeks to declare themselves eligible for the 2010 NFL Draft, and the NFL season has not yet come to a close, even for bad teams like the Buffalo Bills.

Right now, however, the Buffalo Bills simply are not interesting. I suspect that as soon as the team wraps up its 2009 schedule, win or lose, against Indianapolis this coming Sunday, the interest levels will rise. But as we're between holidays at the moment - typically happy times for all involved - I thought I'd spare you (and myself) the horror of talking about the professional football team we cover, at least for a few hours.

Instead, we'll talk about the only thing that has been consistently interesting in these parts over the past decade. Again, I understand that it's still a bit early, and you should understand that what follows is presented to you by football fans, and not scouts. Unless you count the armchair, amateur variety as worthy of your time. The scouting staff here at Buffalo Rumblings has been working diligently behind the scenes to grade many of the top college prospects in the nation - all players that we have seen play with our own two eyes on multiple occasions, mind you - and your first glimpse at the fruits of our labor is after the jump.

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Before you get all high and mighty on us about this ranking, you should know four things.

  • This list is very much still in process. We're still grading players, since, you know, games are still being played.
  • Yes, we have a grading system. A pretty intricate one that factors in everything you believe to be important, which we will discuss in great detail at a later date.
  • This list is a consensus average of submitted grades from kaisertown, Der Jaeger and yours truly. If you want to know what our specific Top 10s look like, you'll have to ask.
  • All grades are out of 5, much like the high school-to-college recruiting process, except we use fancy decimal points. We have yet to assign round values to grades or prospects, so this ranking is purely on that five-point grade.

Without further ado, here are our ten highest-graded prospects at this point in time. Although we doubt that the rankings will change much during the pre-draft workout and Combine process, we'll label this list as "subject to change."

1. Ndamukong Suh, DL, Nebraska (GRADE: 4.9/5)
The consensus top player available from pretty much anyone who's seen this kid play and possesses half a brain. He's been described frequently as the most desired defensive prospect of the past decade, and while we obviously can't speak to that, it wouldn't be hard to understand why. The guy is simply dominant, game in and game out. Big, powerful, and already in possession of an NFL frame, Suh is a defensive anchor that a championship defense can be built around. He can play virtually any line position, even the nose in a 3-4. I happen to believe that his talents are maximized as an end in a 3-4 scheme - much the way New England utilized Richard Seymour all those years - but that likely won't be universal. Still, nobody else is going to top this list. This kid is the real deal.

2. Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma (GRADE: 4.73/5)
Suh gets all the talk, and deservedly so, but McCoy at times was as dominant as Suh this season. He won't go as high for two reasons - he's not scheme versatile (he's quite clearly a 4-3 tackle, and only a 4-3 tackle), and he doesn't possess the same raw power or game-altering prowess as Suh. But McCoy is a hell of a prospect; he's frequently compared to Tommie Harris because of the Oklahoma tie, but I think McCoy is actually better. As it stands right now, I would do sprints of joy if Buffalo found a way to land this guy on draft day 2010 - provided, of course, Buffalo is still running a 4-3 defense.

3. Eric Berry, S, Tennessee (GRADE: 4.65/5)
When Monte Kiffin left Tampa Bay to coach with his son in Tennessee, Berry became his prize pupil. Kiffin has coached some great defensive backs in his day, including John Lynch and Ronde Barber, as well as Super Bowl MVP Dexter Jackson. I'll say it right now - Berry is the best DB Kiffin's ever coached. He's been productive on some mediocre Tennessee teams, which is particularly difficult to do in college as a defensive back. He's big, fast, has an incredibly high football IQ, and makes big plays. Very clearly the best defensive back available, and many will say the best defender available behind Suh.

4. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama (GRADE: 4.63/5)
If you don't have plans to watch this year's BCS title game (Alabama vs Texas), change your plans just to watch this guy. Given Buffalo's need to shore up its run defense, no matter which scheme they run next year, McClain will be a guy high on many Bills fans' wish lists. Big, extremely athletic and instinctual, McClain has quarterbacked Nick Saban's defense to a dominant season. I, personally, graded McClain as the third-best player available, slightly ahead of Berry. I understand the rule that linebackers slide on draft day, but the exceptions (Patrick Willis, Jerod Mayo) are typically outstanding players. McClain is an outstanding player.

5. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma (GRADE: 4.45/5)
I try to be objective, so I went into the grading process fully aware of the fact that, had he declared a year ago, Bradford might have been the No. 1 overall pick, and also fully aware that the injury concerns about his shoulder are being slightly overblown. Even with that supposed objectivity, I was surprised at how well Bradford's grade turned out when I was done critiquing him - and I gave him the lowest grade of the three scouts. Face it, Bills fans - a good portion of you might have been giddy to draft him a year ago at this time. He's a good football player, and could potentially be a great one. If I've got first pick of the quarterbacks this April, I'm taking Bradford.

6. Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State (GRADE: 4.43/5)
Our grading process puts a great emphasis on athletic prowess - why wouldn't it? - and that's why Bryant gets such a high mark. If this draft class lacks one thing, it's explosive offensive playmakers from all positions. Bryant is the clear-cut leader in game-changing ability from the offensive skill positions in this class; he possess elite measurables and had a great career at OSU. Yes, he comes with a little baggage. Yes, his game lacks a little polish, particularly in the hands and route-running departments. But this is a guy with talent that NFL scouts drool over, and he'll go high because of it. Keep your eye on him, because I wouldn't be surprised to see him end up a BPA-"oh crap, all our high-grade need position guys are gone" pick for Buffalo.

7-T. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame (GRADE: 4.38/5)
Everyone loves to hate this guy - almost as much as they love to hate his coach - and without a doubt, Clausen will be the most highly-debated prospect in these parts over the next few months. He already has the lead in that department. So I'll keep this short: we love his production, his background in a pro-style offense, and his arm. We share your concerns, too - on leadership and his raw tools. We just think he's a good player, and well worth the investment for a team with a need for a QB.

7-T. Joe Haden, CB, Florida (GRADE: 4.38/5)
I've seen Haden play a bunch this season, and again, this is a player that surprised me a little with how highly he ranked in our grading system. Understand this about Haden - he did not flash elite playmaking ability in his time at Florida (which has not yet come to an end, by the way). In that light, he has a slight Leodis McKelvin vibe about him, at least to me. But like McKelvin coming out, he possesses that elite athleticism to one day make him a shut-down type corner. Unlike McKelvin, he's been the beneficiary of solid coaching, and should come in a pretty polished prospect. The ball skills are there. I think Haden will end up being a really, really good pro.

9-T. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers (GRADE: 4.33/5)
I believe the three of us have stated numerous times in various comment sections that this year's offensive tackle class is not an elite one. There's not a blue-chip prospect among the group. The closest players we can find to that elite status are Davis and the next player on the list. I, personally, prefer Davis - I think he's got a better NFL body, similar tools, and a more well-rounded game. Ceiling-wise, he's similar. Many will mention his weight and attitude issues, but we are not talking about Andre Smith here. He's had a great career at Rutgers, and now that he's declared pro, I think he's got an excellent shot at being a Top 10 pick, and perhaps the first tackle off the board.

9-T. Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State (GRADE: 4.33/5)
Add Okung to the list of names that Bills fans will bring up most often over the next few months. He might have been a first-round pick had he entered the draft a year ago, and now that he's wrapping up his senior season at OSU, he's been the beneficiary of all the nit-picking that comes with being a top-flight senior prospect. He'll continue to be nit-picked over the next few months, but know this: he was dominant at times over the past two seasons, possesses elite footwork and pass-protection ability, and has as high a ceiling as most players in this draft class. He might have achieved that "elite" assessment from us and others were he a more physical presence at the point of attack - he can get overwhelmed there, and he's not a great run blocker yet. All in all, however, Okung is nearly as good as advertised, and given his hype, a sure-fire Top 15 pick.

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In all, I personally believe that there are four blue-chip, can't-miss prospects in this draft class - Suh, McCoy (no, not Colt), Berry and McClain. Suh is a senior; McCoy has already announced his intentions to turn pro; neither Berry nor McClain have yet to officially announce anything, but both are expected to go pro, with Berry more of a sure bet than McClain.

Beyond that, this class appears to be loaded with a lot of solid prospects - far more than in recent seasons - but not so many "elite" prospects. It's a good year to be picking either very high, or in the teens and twenties - that's where the real value picks will be. Of course, Buffalo will be sandwiched somewhere between the Top 5 and the Top 15, which is pretty typical. Still, the way we see it, their odds of picking up a good player are quite high.

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What about Tyler Mays – I saw one game and he seems like Polamolusdfsdfsdf(sp?)

also – if we were to land McClain i’d be stoked – from what I hear – he is extremely football smart and a great player

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by J2 on Dec 29, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions  

Taylor Mays is Top 25 for us. That’s where we’ll leave it for now. He’s not anywhere near our Top 10.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

i saw taylor mays bowl game he looked bad

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by BRIANMULHALL on Dec 29, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

My thing with Mays is he looks either fabulous or really, really average. There’s no doubt his athletic tools are unique.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

^ Yeah, he’s had an inconsistent year. I think the kid has talent but it’s that combination of battling injuries and just moments of lackluster play. Their whole defense really dropped off this year especially in the big games, but that should be expected considering what they lost to the draft and graduation.

by sabre74kkn on Dec 29, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Taylor Mays

Someone made an interesting point about him the other day, all of his “big hits” where late hits and where cheap.

Not nearly as good as Berry

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by Michael_Necci on Dec 29, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

the next donte whitner?

Later Losman!

by rockybillboa on Dec 29, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

The two are very, very different types of safeties.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, where does the “lack of leadership” comment about Clausen come from? There has been nothing, especially this year, to indicate there’s any lack at all. I think people are still hanging on too much to the concerns scouts had with him going into his freshman year, not based on his performance this year.

Also, what happened to the other McCoy? I haven’t seen him on any of your lists, or any national lists, for a while. Isn’t he supposed to be a top-flight qb? he could be a second round steal if he’s still out there.

by quantumuprising on Dec 29, 2009 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Colt McCoy was never considered a top-flight QB prospect.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Really? what’s wrong with him?

He’s got the running skills, accuracy, arm strength, etc…

by quantumuprising on Dec 29, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

his arm is very weak for an nfl QB

thats his biggest drawback i think

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by BRIANMULHALL on Dec 29, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes. That and the arm strength. I could see him taking a Brees-like career path and end up being a starter, but he’s not a Day 1 starter, and he won’t ever be as statistically dominant as Brees.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

when did height become such an ultimate disqualifier?

i seem to remember our bills having a very successful munchkin qb…..

by quantumuprising on Dec 29, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s not a disqualifier by any means. But a lack of height isn’t a good thing, either – makes it tougher to read defenses and more passes get batted/altered at the line among other issues.

6’1" is really pushing it. Yes, there have been some good short quarterbacks – Brees is one of them – but there are always exceptions to every rule.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That being said...

do we want to try to find aforementioned exception (while likely getting the rule) with such a high draft pick?

by Tatunka on Dec 29, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I don’t understand the question. Are you asking if McCoy is worth our first-round pick?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess I am implying it is a heck of a gamble...

with a pick that high when the outcome is questionnable.

by Tatunka on Dec 29, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Gotcha. And I completely agree. Some team will fall in love with McCoy’s intangibles and take him in the second round.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably Washington.

There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.

by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 29, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re implying they won’t try to get Tebow in the first.

Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.

by UZ on Dec 29, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand that, i just don’t know that there’s that much of a difference between 6’1 and 6’4 like there is when you have a guy that’s like 5’10

by quantumuprising on Dec 29, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s a pretty big difference (and I’m a guy who thinks Clausen is worth a top 10 pick and he’s hardly taller than McCoy and I thought Stafford was the real deal last year at 6’2’’). Would anybody ever discount a three inch difference at WR or TE? What about about a prototype 6’6’’ offensive tackle vs. a 6’3’’ player who wouldn’t play OT in the NFL? Three inches is a pretty huge deal.

You’ll find exceptions to the short QB rule which you wouldn’t find at OT or other positions though. Brees is 6’0’’ and change. Favre, Romo, Sanchez, Delhomme and Stafford are 6’2’’. So 6’1’’ or wherever McCoy and Clausen measure in at isn’t too far off from where a lot of players have succeeded at.

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by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

mccoy is a system QB in a spread offense. that essentially throws 80% of the time. Vince young was in the same system but more physically gifted in terms of size, height, and speed. He is getting better though.

Although he has some intangibles, McCoy comes from a system much like that of Graham Harrell, Colt Brennan, where are they now?

As many emphasize, Clausen plays from a pro style offense that frequently puts him under center instead of the shotgun. Bradford takes a lot of shotgun plays and thats where most of his criticism comes from, but he has good NFL arm strength and Oklahoma’s offense isn’t really a spread offense.

by jerseybuckeye on Dec 29, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

how successful was Flutie?

really, he won some games but I don’t think he would have taken that team any further. Teams would have game planned around his strengths and he would have become less effective.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

From the web:

Appeared in 91 games, 37-28 record as a starter, 22-9 at home. 54.7 pct career completion percentage, 86 TDs, 68 Ints, also rushed for over 1,600 yards and 10 TDs (including that game winner against Jacksonville in 1998, IIRC that was one of my all-time favorite games).

Not spectacular, but alot better and more steady than one would think, and substantially better than anyone we’ve had since (Bledsoe was probably the closest).

by sabre74kkn on Dec 29, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

those teams

were driven by the defense. not too say Flutie didn’t have a part in it but many of those games were close games because the offense wasn’t overall good. his only playoff game w/buffalo he fumbled at the 5 yd. line which cost the bills the game against Miami.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

But you can’t discount the fact that he managed the games well and often didn’t put his team in a position to fail. He has a above .500 record for a reason. Yes he played on some good defensive teams, but to discount the fact he made plays with his feet and made the timely throw, is light years better than what we’ve seen from the position since then.

Give the man credit, he did better than alot of others thought he would have.

by sabre74kkn on Dec 29, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Pro Football reference:]

1998:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1998.htm
Scored 400 points (25.0/g), 7th of 30 in the NFL.
 Allowed 333 points (20.8/g), 15th.
O: 12th passing yards, 3rd rushing, 6th overall
D: 14th vs. pass, 5th vs. run, 6th overall

1999:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/1999.htm
Scored 320 points (20.0/g), 16th of 31 in the NFL.
 Allowed 229 points (14.3/g), 2nd.
 Differential of 91 points (5.7/g), 3rd.
O: 19th in passing, 8th rushing, 11th in yards
D: 1st against the pass, 4th against the rush, #1 yards allowed

While the D was good/great, the offense wasn’t terrible. They put up yards and points.

by sabre74kkn on Dec 29, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Substantially better than everyone?

Bledsoe had statistically the best year for a Bills QB ever!
Those stats you pulled are for his career not just as a Bill by the way.

by twoeightnine on Dec 29, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I realize that – I didn’t preface it. My mistake.
However I did put up the team stats from the 2 years he was a Bill.

I’m just simply saying, he was a big reason why those teams were good. It wasn’t simply because of luck or a good defense. He was a good player on some good teams.

by sabre74kkn on Dec 29, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

More successful than ROB JOHNSON!!!

That’s one thing we know for sure. As far as how far he would have taken the ‘99 team – we’ll never know! Thanks Wade!

A lot of would have’s in your statement. Flutie was good at defying odds. Before he played for the Bills a lot of people that he wouldn’t do anything in the NFL. He had a couple pretty good years for the Chargers after leaving too if you remember.

Most of us would love a player like Flutie right now.

by o.c.blazerfan on Dec 29, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ll echo quantum’s question about Clausen’s leadership. If anything, I think he’s shown more leadership this year than any other QB not named Tebow. He had a number of come from behind wins this year. Now, in most of those games, his team had no business being behind to those teams to begin with…but, the majority of those games his defense played like absolute crap.

Not to mention, he achieved all that production in the face of more criticism than any other QB (not named Tebow) and all while hearing non-stop reports that his coach was a failure and was going to get the hook at the end of the season. Keeping the ship afloat (at least offensively) throughout all that, at a school like ND, displays a fair amount of maturity and leadership, IMO.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Dec 29, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree. For me, his leadership really isn’t the question, it’s whether or not he has the mental makeup to be the face of an NFL franchise. I think he can do it – he’s in our Top 10, after all – but you’ll hear it picked apart, believe me.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I know I’ll hear it get picked apart – I’ve heard it numerous places. I guess I just don’t really understand it. I think he’s displayed an impressive amount of poise, maturity, and leadership. Playing quarterback at a school like Notre Dame with all of its non-stop media coverage and the praise and scorn it receives from fans…coupled with the hype he received as a top prospect out of high school – is about as good of a mental test as any college athlete is going to get.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Dec 29, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

not to mention the unbelievable offensive line woes in his early years, which have prepared him for the mess he’d see in the pros, as well as the cold weather environment, and the poor-team problems he had…..that is important experience that the usc qbs and guys like sam bradford don’t get.

by quantumuprising on Dec 29, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

I know i’ve softened my stance towards us picking Clausen. I missed my one chance to see him in person last year when I was out of town for the ND-UNC game, but from watching the video of that game and others, it’s clear that the kid can play.

by sabre74kkn on Dec 29, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

and i'll

be one of them picking him apart all off-season!

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by MARVelous on Dec 29, 2009 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

you can pick apart just about any player in this draft sans Suh.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Last time

a top 10 pick QB coming out of ND was Quinn. He has done zilch thus far at Cleveland. At the beginning of the season, Derek Anderson was still ahead of him in the depth chart.

While everything you said about playing in ND has merit, what I’m saying is that it possibly doesn’t mean anything.

And before someone tries to argue that Cleveland is a bad team, and has a bad OL that can’t make any QB good: The Bills lost to Cleveland in consecutive years, and the Bills OL is just as bad.

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by moncheri on Jan 1, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Quinn went No. 22 overall.

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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, my bad.

But how much better, if any, is Claussen than Quinn? If he is not decisively better graded out of college, I don’t think it’s worth Bills’ consideration.

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by moncheri on Jan 1, 2010 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

McBuffalo

Agree completely with the rankings. Gotta say, I’d be pumped to land McCoy or McClain. McClain is as sure a thing as Mayo and Willis have been in recent drafts. Where does it look like the Bills will be picking? 5th or so?

by S2 on Dec 29, 2009 9:07 AM EST reply actions  

Where does it look like the Bills will be picking? 5th or so?

With all the terrible teams this year, Buffalo will probably get the 9th or 10th pick.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s looking very likely that Buffalo picks between 7 and 9 provided they don’t win on sunday. A win would push them back into the 9-10 range.

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by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions  

If the most promising team of the decade could lose an important home finale to backups, they can lose this coming week.

We have to hope that Painter doesn’t gesso the field with interceptions.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

7-9

cant escape it no matter what……….

the team fails to acheive a 7-9 record…..so instead it goes for a draft pick in the 7-9 range.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 29, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

McCLain

Even though its spelled different, does anyone else think of Die Hard when they here “McClain”? I like the idea of opposing fans yelling “McClain!” in frustration like Hans did in the movie every time he makes a big play.

by S2 on Dec 29, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

im glad you wrote this

because I do think of Die Hard everytime his name is written.

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by poz on Dec 29, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

does anyone else think of Die Hard when they here "McClain

does anyone not?

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by J2 on Dec 29, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions  

“Where does it look like the Bills will be picking? 5th or so?”

At best 7th, at worst 10th. Probably 8th if form holds.

by Pistol on Dec 29, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the rankings

And I too, would love to see the Bills get either Suh or Gerald McCoy. Personally, I think they have a very good chance of landing him. Eric Berry would also be a stud pick, striking fear into opposing defenses. Taylor Mays is a freakish athlete for his size, according to Ronnie Lott, but is expected to go around the mid-1st round now. I might throw Okung into that blue-chip prospect, though, because i believe he has only given up about 2 sacks over the past 3 years, but I could be wrong. If the Bills got Suh, McCoy, Berry, Okung, or even the linebacker, McLain, I woluld be satisfied.

by BuffaloWhiner on Dec 29, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Personally, I think they have a very good chance of landing him.

I, on the other hand, do not. He’s a Top 5 lock.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I think McClain should be very high on their board, and remotely possible.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I think McClain will be very high on most boards.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

We might have the best shot at McClain out of anyone in your top 5 Brian

ONLY because OT, QB and DT are such huge needs for the teams ahead of us.

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by WABillsfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I literally wouldn’t be upset if we landed ANY of these picks. This team is so devoid of actual talent that the Bills should just put all these names in a hat, have Ralph draw a name, immediately throw that name out (just as a symbolic showing of how Ralph should have zero say on personnel from now on), have the new GM draw a name, and then pick that guy.

Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.

by thatguy34 on Dec 29, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

im ok with all

except Berry. Not that he is not good but we don’t have the need

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by billsoferie on Dec 29, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

These rankings were done without any consideration of need or scheme. These are just the way we graded out the best players in the draft. The Rumblings draft board for the Bills will look pretty different.

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by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

right, i was just thinking for what i would actually want not the actual rankings

i think your overall analysis is spot on.

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by billsoferie on Dec 29, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

you wouldn't be excited with the prospects of

Eric Berry / Jairus Byrd at S
               and
Terrence McGee / Leodis McKelvin at CB?

by NordicBillsfan on Dec 29, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

While that would be intriguing...

who would need to throw against us if we still can’t stop the run? (Not saying we don’t address that need as well, but taking a later pick almost ensures development time, vs. one of these higher rated defenders who may be able to contribute sooner)…

by Tatunka on Dec 29, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

^ exactly. Let’s just roll out our below average front 7 that can’t get off the field, gets run on play after play, gets worn down by the 3rd quarter, and barely gives the offense enough time to do anything.

But hey, we’ll have a great back 4!!

LoL.

by sabre74kkn on Dec 29, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless the Bills manage two picks in a row they ain’t getting both a good OT and McClain in the first round.

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by UZ on Dec 29, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah

we just need so many things

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by billsoferie on Dec 30, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Right now

I think the Bills should be going for BPA. I don’t know how you rank these guys if you work for the team. They have needs virtually everywhere. I might think DT is the lowest area of need for them, but is the position in the draft with the most fascinating players.

I think of all the guys on the list above, right now i’m most hopeful for Bradford. The team needs options at the position, and while Brohm may be someone to give a long look at in ‘10, how do you pass up someone who may fall to you because of an over-hyped injury? Besides, It seems OT isn’t a sure thing this year and drafting one at 9 or 10 might not be the best use of their selection.

I want to know what’s up with the people at nfldrafttalk365. They have the Bills selecting C.J. Spiller.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 9:53 AM EST reply actions  

Duh, Buffalo’s biggest need is a running back. Everybody knows that.

That has to be the strangest pick I’ve seen mocked to Buffalo in awhile. Especially with Clausen, Derrick Morgan, McClain, Anthony Davis or even Dez Bryant still available. And they’ve got Locker in there too who would have made a ton of sense to Buffalo had he declared.

I love how their logic is that Roscoe Parrish stinks. As if Buffalo can’t find a returner in a later round. And there’s no mention of that Fred Jackson guy (who’s not bad on returns himself).

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by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

After looking deeper at their picks, it’s a bit out of date. They have Locker going to Seattle via Denver’s pick.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Certainly a nice list to choose from. Would have to think Suh, McCoy, Berry and one of the two tackles are gone by the time the Bills pick. given the depth of solid picks this year I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Bills traded down.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

given the depth of solid picks this year I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Bills traded down.

Absolutely; nor would I, and I’m pretty sure Ron From NM will agree, too.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Only if we determine that there’s no QB worthy of being selected in the top ten left on the board (in other words Bradford and Clausen). If not, then we’ll need to look at whether McClain, McCoy or Okung are on the board, and if they are, we might just decide to stay where we are and draft the best player.
I will say this: This team needs to draft big men. We have had way too many picks wasted on RB’s, Safeties, CB’s, WR’s the last few years, and now we are dealing with the consequences (an atrocious O-line and a porous run-stopping D-line).

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Dec 29, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s a bit like this: The team needs guys with lots of body hair who aren’t afraid of the cold and wind.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Mallett

Keep in mind that Ryan Mallett may well come out this year, and if he does he might be available when the Bills pick. He is not quite as polished as Bradford or Clausen (both of whom may be gone before we are on the board), but his potential could well be higher than theirs. In his last six games this year he threw for 15 TD’s and 4 INT’s and showed accuracy, poise, and competitiveness that would justify a Top Ten pick. And his arm strength is off the charts. If he does declare I wonder if our three scouts will want to revise this otherwise excellent list.

by Macktruck on Dec 29, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

The ONLY problem I forsee with Mallet being selected by the Bills (should he declare) is that he may not have anyone adequate to learn from. I like Mallet, what little I know about him. I just don’t want to see him become the next Dan McGuire.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that’s a worry, but it’s true for every other QB the Bills might pick, as well as Brohm. All rookies need help adjusting to the pros (although Mallett admittedly might need more than most).

by Macktruck on Dec 29, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps signing a competent veteran QB may signal the hand Buffalo plays in the draft? I doubt it, but you’d think they have to find a good vet to groom a rookie QB, right? AVP certainly isn’t going to cut it.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Buffalo needs to sign a vet QB no mater what they do in the draft. I don’t think anything that Buffalo might do this offseason could be more surprising to me than Buffalo not signing a new veteran QB this offseason.

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by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m only asking because I’m really not sure… but what veteran QB’s are likely to be available in the offseason?

by gfbillsfan on Dec 29, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s a list somewhere around here. My favorite of the bunch is probably Pennington.

The Eagles will probably also get rid of one of their 3 QB’s.

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by UZ on Dec 29, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions  

I went and looked at the list a little while after I asked the question. The short list included Jason Campbell, Chad Pennington, potentially Kyle Orton and Tavaris Jackson. I’m not particularly high on Pennington, although he’d probably make a pretty good mentor for a young guy that we drafted, if the organization even goes that route.

by gfbillsfan on Dec 29, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Well no matter who they get if they do get a stopgap, I don’t expect the team to be very competitive next season, so I only want a vet for the reason of mentoring whoever we pick up in the draft and/or Brohm.

Chad just seems like the best choice among all the others in that category.

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by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I think you need the offense to be somewhat functional too. You’re developing players other than a QB. The Bills are desperate for a young offensive line to improve and have a lot invested in some young WRs and TEs. Buffalo needs stable QB play to help those guys get better too.

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by kaisertown on Dec 30, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I expect Pennington and Campbell to be the best of the bunch

Either can hold the fort.

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by WABillsfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I also agree. If they can’t pull Okung early, they should just trade down to one of the teams who wants Mallett/Bradford/Tebow/et al, swap firsts and pick up a second. Once you get beyond the Top 3-4, there is not a sizable talent gap between Round 1 and 3.

Tough to speculate though, if there is a scheme change, for example to a 3-4 or out of the base Cover 2. That would have to alter the perspective of who to take when.

Myself, I’d love to get DL or OT in Round 1, QB or OT in Round 2, and ILB or DE in Round 3. If we could trade down, pick up DL/OT/QB/ILB in the first 3 rounds, I’d be thrilled. OL depth, TE depth, and DT depth in Rounds 4-6. ST in Round 7.

by T McGee on Dec 29, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

If Buffalo is going to switch to a 3-4, then I think a trade down would be an even smarter move. They’ll need the picks if they are changing schemes and it would give them an opportunity to try and add a NT, OT and LB of some kind early in the draft and still give them their 3rd and maybe an extra mid round pick to play around with. Super unlikely that Buffalo switches to a 3-4 and trades down, but for the hell of it, here’s a mock:

Trades down to about 20 and picks up a pick around 50 and another 4th rounder.

1st – NT – Terrence Cody
2nd – OT – Joseph Barksdale or Jason Fox, would wait on OT if Brandon Spikes was available
2nd – OLB – Eric Norwood or best rush linebacker available (Hughes, Sapp, Kindle, Von Miller)
3rd – OT if they grabbed Spikes, otherwise they could go a lot of directions based on best available. I’ll go DE – Vince Oghobaase or Tyson Alualu or Mike Neal if he’s gone.
4th – ILB – Micah Johnson or Jamar Cheney
4th – G – maybe Sergio Render. Whoever really, interior offensive lineman are unpredictabl. A center would be fine too
5th – QB – John Skelton – could be a steal here. He’s my fav mid-late round QB
6th – NT – Torrell Troupe – gotta develop a backup too
6th – WR – Kyle WIlliams (worked last time), he’s a good returner for Arizona St and leads them in catches too. Any speey deep threat and returner type would do.
7th – FB – Corey Jackson – from Maryland, supposedly the best blocking FB in the draft. Maybe we go that direction
7th – ILB – Vincent Rey – put up good numbers at OLB at Duke, but he’s big and slow. Buffalo would need the depth.

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by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Is Oghobaase a Nose? I hear good things about him, never seen him in action. Or that Price kid at UCLA? Hell, we might even be able to trade down twice into the late first (26-30), grab a Dan Williams, Price, or Ogho in the 2nd while picking up another 3 or 4. Do you think Bulaga falls to late first? That would be a steal for Buffalo.

Switch Maybin to a Elvis Dumervil-like spot on the edges of the 3-4, let him run wild and see if all this ability pays off. Maybe sign a Dansby type for the other side. Cut Stroud loose, and in this dreamland, Buffalo doesn’t ‘blow the bank’ on high-priced Top 10 picks.

In that scenario, maybe we go OT/DT/DE/QB/OG/LB et al?

I like Bowman a lot for his athleticism and strength but I’m kind of burned out on PSU linebackers.

by T McGee on Dec 29, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d draft Oghobaase to play DE. He’s a good fit as a 4-3 DT too.

The Browns traded down like 10 times last year, so why not move down a couple times.

I don’t think Bulaga falls that far, but it definitely wouldn’t surprise me. I think he’ll go between the early teens and early 20s, but the draft is deep enough that he could go much later.

To play OLB in a 3-4, you’ve either got to be a really good pass rusher or play across from a DeMarcus Ware type player who is a total stud. So, I think Dansby would be better off inside. Kawika Mitchell could play outside though. If Buffalo switched to a 3-4, it’d be Maybin, Mitchell, a rookie and Schobel if he is still on the team.

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by kaisertown on Dec 30, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

Go Fordham!

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by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2009 2:20 AM EST up reply actions  

That could work

but I don’t think that’d be a very good D anytime soon.

If we switch to a 3-4, I expect the team to try to bring in a couple vets for sure. Maybe a 3-4 DE and ILB, and a mediocre pass rushing OLB. There’s no way this team can transition to the 3-4 simply through this one draft, although I doubt that’s what you’re suggesting.

I absolutely love the idea of trading down if we actually do switch to a 3-4. Having more picks, especially in the first 3-4 rounds is a necessity. That’s also a good way to build depth and find some LB talent…

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by Kurupt on Dec 30, 2009 2:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Great Read

Awesome job guys. Unfortunately, I don’t watch alot of College Football, when I do it is usually SU. I really appreciate how the three of you collectively pooled your thoughts into a list.

I am hung up on whether we should trade down to get one of those top three or trade up for more picks. My opinion is that we do have talent on this team, we just have a big drop off in depth and a bigger drop off in leadership. With our struggles in preseason trying to land an above average LB I would almost like to after this Alabama guy.

Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.

by VanScottM on Dec 29, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Brian:

Any chance, depending on who is running the draft of course, the Bills try to trade up to land either Suh or McCoy @ DT ?

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by Michael_Necci on Dec 29, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

Honestly, I hope not. The team needs picks…needs bodies in town.

I don’t know if Suh will be enough of a force to create wins. I love the guy as a player, but I don’t think Suh would be in position to score TDs for the Bills, which is something this team can’t do on a regular basis – even if they only have 20 yards to go from the onset as the result of a turnover.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree totally. I was asking b/c I heard the Bills where high on this guy, obviously, as is everyone else. Just seeing if the Bills would move up if he drops to #3 or 4. Which he probably won’t.

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by Michael_Necci on Dec 29, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

If the team is hiring a GM (or a head personnel guy), which it seems fairly evident at this point, I don’t think you can even speculate about whether they’d move up, down, or stay put.

by Pistol on Dec 29, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I think there’s always a chance, but given the contractual parameters of selecting a player that high, I don’t think Ralph Wilson would ever allow it, even in the case of a prospect as can’t-miss as Suh.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Cant really complain at all about those top 10 folks........

I could be happy with any of those picks for the Bills.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 29, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

… no “NO PAC-10?!?!?!” comment?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

all the good Pac-10 studs will be in the top 10 the next few years........

not really a whole lot to get overly excited about this year………but you watch the next few year drafts………..thats when some studs will be coming out.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 29, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

i thought usc was supposed to have the best offensive line in the history of college football evar….none of them made it up here?

by quantumuprising on Dec 29, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

One of them is rated pretty highly, but no, no Top-10 USC linemen.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

him and Toby Gerhart are probably the two highest rated Pac-10 guys coming out this year.....

as of now…….who knows after combines and pro-days and such.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 29, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Damian Williams and Jahvid Best could go pretty high too if they come out.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

eh it kinda depends.......

USC WR dont have the greatest track record anymore and Best has that pretty serious head injury……….I dont see how either one would get drafted before Gerhart or Brown.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 29, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

OL

I seem to remember that in the past (early 2000s) that OTs taken in the top 5 were likely to be sure things (Pace, Ogden, etc), but OL taken after that point were generally not dominant and more of hit or miss players.

Obviously Williams was a big bust for the Bills at #4 (and to a lesser degree Gallery), and lately it seems like mid-1st round OTs have had good success (Clady, Baker). Do more ‘athletic’ tackles have better success?

Has this been studied extensively by anyone? (or perhaps something to do during the offseason?)

by Pistol on Dec 29, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

And sticking to the OL, how does Trent Williams compare to Davis and Okung? A big drop-off or similar?

by Pistol on Dec 29, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess from what I've been hearing that Williams is more of RT.....and not a LT....

which apparently is why he’s not listed as a top 10 guy.

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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 29, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, this is accurate. Williams was very dominant in ‘08 at right tackle, when Phil Loadholt was protecting Bradford’s blind side. Then he flipped over to LT and struggled with consistency this season. I think he is the prototypical right tackle for most offenses, but you don’t take right tackles high. I’d consider him a solid pick from 20 on right now.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I hate your OT rankings

You guys really think OKung and Anthony freaking Davis are better OT prospects than Bruce Campbell? Really guys?

by mob16151 on Dec 29, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I also think Charles Brown is a better prospect, especially if we’re going to run a ZBS, because that guy is just a fantastic athlete.

by BillsfanfromDenmark on Dec 29, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Charles Brown is an athlete

Im just worried about his ability to play from day 1

by mob16151 on Dec 29, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Can’t you say the same thing about Campbell?

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Bruce Campbell,

while being one of the most athletic LT’s in the draft, has a tendency to stand upright too much during pass blocking. He is going to be a good player no doubt, but I’m not convinced he is a starter at LT from day 1. Charles Brown is in the same class. He’s light and needs to get stronger. He’s similar to D. Bell in that regards.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree with this.

I just moved back to NC from Maryland. Watched 5 Maryland games and Campbell’s strenght IMO is his pass blocking. He’s a solid runblocker but he really excells at pass blocking.

by mob16151 on Dec 29, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m speaking of the film I watched of him. He may be able to get away w/it in college but in the pros it won’t. I’m not saying he won’t be an excellent LT in the NFL but he needs to work on it.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

That’ll depend on how you look at things.

If you’re grading on pure physical talent, obviously Campbell rates above both Okung and Davis, and probably every other lineman this year, too. But Campbell also hasn’t been a starter for very long, and is seemingly constantly dealing with small, nagging injuries. That significantly lowered his prospect grade for me, and while he still rates very highly (spoiler alert: he’s just outside our Top 10), hell yes, he rates below Okung and Davis.

If you want to stack your board based on potential, then by all means, toss Campbell’s name out as the first OT.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Rankings

Campbell is the most athletic OT in the draft. But he’s young and inconsistant, and has nagging injuries.

Okung is one of the safest picks in the draft. His upside isn’t much higher, but his bust potnetial is also low. He isn’t as athletic as Campbell but is more versitile, and can play RT. A team like KC or Buffalo looking to upgrade it’s OL is better served with a solid, steady Okung than Campbell.

Davis isn’t as athletic as Campbell, but he’s pretty close, and much stronger. He is inconsistant though (average in some games, dominant against Selvie and USF) and is overly cocky. But he’s more NFL ready that Campbell.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 29, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Williams is close

But in the draft, close may be a difference of 10 selections. Williams’ range, IMO, is 15-25 ish. He’s pretty close athletically to Okung or Davis. He’s a bit shorter though, and struggled when OU switched him to LT. A playoff-type team with youth/experience more of an issue than talent (Jets, Cowboys) could take Williams as a RT and get good value and a good player.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 29, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Brian, or anyone else who may be well-versed on the subject...

is there any science to picking a RT for a left-handed QB? I ask because of players like Tebow. I wonder if drafting him becomes problematic? Does the previous player they’ve invested a ton of money in at LT become expendable…or does he move to RT?

I know we’re not talking about Tebow or about these type of scenarios right now, but i’ve been very curious about the subject for some time now.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

Arizona drafted RT Levi Brown No. 5 overall in ‘07 to protect Matt Leinart’s blind side.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh yes, I forgot about Brown. It’s an interesting situation.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends

The key, IMO, for an OT, is to keep him on the same side. Jonathan Ogden started out at LG and then switch to LT, thus preserving a lot of his technique.

Campbell is a LT strictly, but Davis and especially Okung could easily play the RT position. The key is to get them on the correct side immediately and then don’t switch sides until they’ve really mastered their position.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 29, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Are the mechanics the same for a RT protecting a lefty QB as they are for a LT protecting a righty? I’d think not as usually the better rusher is on the right side of the defense, to make it more difficult for the average QB’s mechanics.

Wouldn’t it be “easier” to mold an elite right tackle to protect a left-handed QB since most defenses don’t build their lines to attack such a player?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Somewhat

The mechanics are the same, just reverse. Team usually want their best OT at LT, but with a lefty, the process is reversed.

For arguments’ sake, if Buffalo drafted Anthony Davis in the first round and Tebow in the second, they might plug Davis in a RT from training camp on, and leave him there.

Teams normally have stronger but less athletic ends or OLB on the left side of the defense, and the smaller but more athletic ends/OLB on the right side of the defense. That said, guys like Suggs and Aaron Kampman play on the left side of the defense and are trouble for RT’s. It’s not as easy to plug a road grader in on the right side anymore, hence teams going with more athletic RTs (Ryan Harris, Mark Tauscher, Stinchcomb, etc).

by Der Jaeger on Dec 29, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

For arguments’ sake, if Buffalo drafted Anthony Davis in the first round and Tebow in the second, they might plug Davis in a RT from training camp on, and leave him there.

I wouldn’t be able to see it because I would have killed myself by then.

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by UZ on Dec 29, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Why? Because of Tebow?

Granted, Tebow will flop in most offenses (West Coast, Coryall, R’n’S) but could succeed in a smashmouth tradiational offense… after given a season to correct his mechanics.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 29, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Since when do the Bills have a traditional smashmouth offense?

And yes, I probably will either kill myself or break a wall with my head if they draft Tebust.

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by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

I expect Tebow will end up with the Jags in round 1 to save ticket sales, or with the Pats near the end of the 1st Round

Where he would then sit for a year or two behind Tom and then come out to start killing us. That is in fact my nightmare scenario, Belichek is one of the few coaches who would truly KNOW how to make that kid into a top flight QB in the pros. He would figure the best O to build around his strengths and would iron out some of Tim’s issues.

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by WABillsfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Question

Do we take Eric Berry/ Dez Bryant if they are still available at the 8-10 spot even though we have MUCH bigger needs than wide receiver/safety??… assuming of course the other top 10 prospects have already been taken

by flutieflakes007 on Dec 29, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions  

I would prefer that they take Dez Bryant as compared to slightly reaching for an OT like Trent Williams. Depends on who’s available and how those players grade out, but I’m OK with them sacrificing a small amount of value for a need position.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Right, if we have a LB or OL right at say 11-15 in our draft grades and we were running it like you would Brian

You would then pass up a top 10 guy for that spot as long as value is close. I agree with that strategy if it fills a BIG hole like we have on the Oline, Dline or LBing corps.

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by WABillsfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

My personal 3 favorites are:

Suh, Davis and McClain (with an honerable Mention to Dez Bryant).

Realisticly, Suh will be gone, but if we can get our hands on any of the other 3 I would be extatic. I wouldn’t mind picking up kung if all 3 are gone either.

The good thing about drafing midway in the top 10: we have a great veriaty of great players to draft. Lets not screw this up, as any rookie we draft can be a great addition and an immidiet help to our team.

by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 29, 2009 2:22 PM EST reply actions  

If I was drafting wide receivers

I’d go later in the draft with guys who don’t have game-breaking speed but is a damn good route runner. How many of those guys have we seen succeed, plus it’s a much lower investment, and we don’t already have a deep threat in Evans.

My fantasy is a LT in round 1 (I don’t know enough about any of them to be sure which one) and then Spikes in round 2. Is that possible Brian?

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by JPH on Dec 29, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

* do already have a deep threat.

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by JPH on Dec 29, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d go later in the draft with guys who don’t have game-breaking speed but is a damn good route runner. How many of those guys have we seen succeed…

Isn’t that what Hardy’s supposed to provide?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

no,

Hardy was not known for his route running at all, in fact that was a weakness of his because he never really had to run precise routes at Indiana. Not to say he can’t improve but only if he sees the field. that’s a topic for another day.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That’s right. For some reason i thought it was Malcolm Kelly who struggled with his routes and Hardy didn’t. You’re right though. Hardy didn’t have to run routes and is most likely a major reason he has yet to see much playing time.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I wish they would play him more though. you don’t know how good he’s going to be w/out getting him PT. WR’s need reps and he isn’t getting them.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it’s very possible that Brandon Spikes is available in the second round, yes.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 29, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Deffinatly wouldn’t mind drafting Spikes in the second if he’s still there.

For me it’s OT in the first and either Spikes or Pike in the second (whoever is available as one of the two will probably have been drafted by then.)

by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 29, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

yep. i love decker.

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by JPH on Dec 30, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree with a lot of the concerns mentioned above

with Berry being so high on the list. I think McClain would have a far greater impact on the Bills then Berry. Would Berry/Byrd be a dream duo? Yes. But I’m already loving what I see from Byrd/Wilson and Donte Whitner is having a pretty good year when hes on the field. Our OLBs on the other hand are not good. Tears take more than a year to come back from so I doubt Mitchell will be 100%. Ellison is what Ellison is – a sturdy and reliable backup you can cheer for. Except this year he wasn’t sturdy and that greatly hurt us. We need a LB so badly because we didnt address the same need last year. Basically, I agree with Brian’s assessment of McClain as the third highest prospect for Buffalo. I’ll freely admit I’m not as familiar with McClain’s play as a lot of people but the concensus on his being the best OLB in the draft is enough for me.

A guy I am familiar with is Brandon Spikes. Because of this I wouldn’t mind Russell Okung, Anthony Davis, a QB, or Greg Hardy if we traded up to get Spikes in the late first. I’m a bit suprised that Greg Hardy didnt make the top ten here because in my opinion, DE is a bigger need this year than last year. Schobel may retire, Kelsay and Denney are older and probably uncertainties to make the cut of a new regime, and Maybin will probably start getting real minutes, making the position full of question marks. I’ve watched Hardy a lot and while I’ve decided he seems to disappear at times, when hes on, hes real tough to block.

Good stuff Brian and the scouting guys. Keep it coming.

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by poz on Dec 29, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

This process is built around 5 key attributes based on each position. injuries and the like are factored in as well which almost immediately gives Hardy a strike against him.
McClain is a inside/middle linebacker at this point and will probably stay there as he is 250+ pounds and plays the run really well. I like Spikes as well (imagine that!!) but I think given McClains production and the fact that he is really intelligent put him above Spikes.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah

I can see injury being a strike against Hardy. Where do you see him going in general? I think he might still go in the top 15 correct?

So McClain would bump Poz outside then? Works fine by me.

And yes gatornation likes Spikes, what a shocker! haha. Can you share who you feel are the linebackers that round at the top 5 with McClain and Spikes?

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by poz on Dec 29, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Poz

would move outside.

with the linebackers I think there is a drop off after those 2. probably Witherspoon from Mizzo, Kindle from Texas and Norwood from S. Carolina. inside guys I think Washington from TCU and Angerer (great name for a LB) from Iowa are good players.

by gatornation on Dec 29, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

A good much later round pick could be Donald Butler out of Washington

He had 72 solo tackles, 22 assists, 15 of which were for a loss, he had two interceptions, 4 passes defensed and 3 forced fumbles this season as well. He only had one sack but he was never really asked to pass rush as he was much better out in space to defend the pass. He steps in big games like his line when they upset USC while it was #3 in the country: 12 tackles, two tackles for loss, a forced fumble and an interception

I think as a 4th or 5th round pick this kid could be a steal for LBer depth on our team.

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by WABillsfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the whole reason that McClain is so high in Bills fans minds is that he would kick Poz out to the outside where he belongs and finally make the LB corps resemble something good.

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by UZ on Dec 29, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions  

after the Mike Williams fiasco, I officially decided I want mean guys on my football team.

Eye-Gouger? Sign me up.

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by JPH on Dec 30, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

We got Incognito, that a good start?

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by WABillsfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

great start.

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by JPH on Dec 31, 2009 1:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Grading

The ranking is impartial to team and doesn’t take anyone’s needs into account.

by Der Jaeger on Dec 29, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

As Der Jaeger pointed out, this isn’t the list of guys we want the Bills to draft, these are who we believe are the best players in the draft when you take need and scheme out of the equation. Our draft board for the Bills will look pretty different.

Greg Hardy’s injury issues are a huge concern for me. And I think Derrick Morgan is a better player anyways. Maybe a much better player.

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by kaisertown on Dec 29, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting

can you offer specifics as to why you like D. Morgan better? I’ve always valued your opinion kaiser, so I’d love to hear a brief explanation on this. Especially because you say “maybe a much better player”

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by poz on Dec 30, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

It’s more about how much I like Morgan than anything. I think he’s good enough to go in the top 10 and would be happy if Buffalo took him. I think Morgan is bigger, faster, quicker and stronger than Hardy. Morgan had 18 tackles for a loss this year and 12.5 sacks and looked incredibly dominant at times this season. And then there’s Hardy’s injury issues which are a major concern and I think drop him out of the top 15 regardless of his ability. He’s just too risky to give a huge payday to.

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by kaisertown on Dec 30, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree on Morgan

He’s going to be an excellent pro and I’d love to have him in Buffalo…

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by Kurupt on Dec 31, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

McClain

Where would McClain fit into the defense right now?

What would he look like in a 3-4 (in the event the Bills happened to change, even if that’s unlikely)?

by Pistol on Dec 29, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

I’m so on board with a LB as their top pick. I look at other defenses around the league and the ones that get mention when discussing greatness have at least 1 outstanding LB.

Though the Texans are loaded, but for some reason aren’t dominant as a squad.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 29, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

"You're getting a DB and you'll like it!"

Oh wait. “They” will no longer be employed here come draft day.

in a salary cap era, no single unit (offense or defense) should be consistently sub-average for such a long stretch.

by kgun201 on Dec 29, 2009 3:48 PM EST reply actions  

We should absolutly get McLain, Poz,Kawika,McLlain would be mint. Trent Williams- we trade up for him. 3rd round that DT from Duke. 5th round Zac Robsinson… 4th,6th,7th rounds no idea at all

by BRAVESheart on Dec 29, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

And say we get McLlain we get to put Poz back at OLB where he is best

by BRAVESheart on Dec 29, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

I keep hearing people say that Suh could be a DT and an NT.

but ESPN just said he weighs 290 pounds. Has there ever been a NT who weighs that little? Are there any good ones who weigh less than 320?

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by JPH on Dec 30, 2009 12:46 PM EST reply actions  

Jason Ferguson and Kelly Gregg both weigh 310. And it’s not that Suh is a good fit as a NT, it’s more of a testament to his strength, leverage and overall ability that he is powerful enough to handle the nose.

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by kaisertown on Dec 30, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Dallas’ Jay Ratliff ain’t a huge dude, either.

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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

And both of the those players more than get the job done day in and day out

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by WABillsfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

gotcha. that clears it up. thanks!

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by JPH on Dec 31, 2009 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Awesome work fellas. I know there’s more to come. :-)

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