To The Anti-Maybin crowd... Sit down and quiet down.
by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 12:48 AM EST
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PrintThis is to the whiners. The people who (almost successfully!) attempt to turn just about every post on Buffalo Rumblings - be it main page or fanpost - into a tirade about how much you just hate Aaron Maybin. And oh, do you hate Aaron Maybin. You'd probably punch him in the face if he ever had the nerve to walk by you on the street.
You'll probably have noted that I'm one of the biggest pro-Maybin members here on BR. Every time a member of the Anti-Maybin crowd shows up I'm right there defending Maybin's honor. This is interesting to me in that I was once... not really part of the anti-Maybin crowd, but at least not happy with the pick. On draft day 2009 I too was biting my nails hoping for Orakpo or Brown to get selected and my hopes were fairly dashed by the Maybin pick so high. I knew he was undersized and that the chances of him having the Impact the Bills needed on the season were incredibly low.
The difference between you and me? I got the hell over it.
I didn't immediately cry "BUST!" when the selection was made, I just began to hope that Schobel turned into his old self - which actually almost happened! - and that the Bills would win games with offense. Obviously that didn't pan out and the disappointment of a season we saw this year wound up unfolding... But I didn't blame Maybin for a second. It wasn't his fault that he was drafted by an awful franchise management that actually thought he would contribute heavily his rookie year, and apparently convinced some of the fanbase of the same.
It's not Maybin's fault that he's currently undersized. It's not Maybin's fault, contrary to popular belief, that he was held out of training camp. And no, you CAN'T just fire your agent during negotiations. It's not Maybin's fault that he overachieved in College and thus had draft stock much too high in the eyes of Buffalo on that fateful draft day.
Perry Fewell isn't helping the kid either, giving him such a small chance in this lost season to get any real reps just so he can pretend he's not a lame duck. I've seen him get close to getting that elusive first sack several times only to just miss... and then he's not back for 15 plays. If I were coach of the Bills - We'd be 0-16 for one thing :) - but if I were coach of the Bills Maybin would be getting snaps on rushing downs, passing downs, all the downs he could get on. Not every rep of course, but more than we have been seeing. The only way to get better in the NFL is to practice, and live snaps are the best practice you can possibly get.
Even worse is the love affair I've seen with Brian Orakpo. Do you honestly think any self respecting members of other fan bases have done nothing this year except cry about draft picks they COULD have had? Even the Browns fans I know aren't whining about Brady Quinn and other recent questionable picks by their franchise... They're looking toward the future. Just like we should be.
This season would not have been made or broken by Orakpo. Orakpo's presence wouldn't have prevented the seeming hundreds of injuries that the Bills faced this year. Drafting him would not have done a thing to change the fact that the Bills had the weakest O-Line in the league this year. Drafting Orakpo wouldn't have improved the Linebacker corps that were the true reason for our lack of Run D this season. Orakpo couldn't have played QB, TE, WR or any of the other areas that the Bills struggled with this season on offense. In fact, DE was one of the BETTER positions on the Bills this season, Maybin's 7 snaps a game aside.
And my favorite part, there is no possible evidence that Brian Orakpo would be a shutdown DE with the Bills. Not only did he spend most snaps without his hand on the ground this season but we never saw him in the Bills' defensive style. If he was drafted by the Bills and only had 1 sack and 30 tackles on the year would you all be crying out for Everette Brown? No, something tells me that the "he's only a rookie" excuses would come out.
Wait until after this offseason, maybe well into next season or even the season after that, to pass your judgments. Maybin has the potential to gain size, which is his real issue. He has the potential to gain skills too, we knew that from the start. With a new coach there's no telling what could be unlocked in him. There's a reason everyone called this pick a project almost immediately. In 2 years if he's still getting 20 tackles and no sacks per season and playing nothing more than just a rotational role with 10 snaps per game, let me know. I'll eat plenty of crow for it. I might even pine for Orakpo! Until then, learn what the word BUST means. It is never applied with any intelligence to a 21 year old incredibly raw DE who missed a training camp.
I don't expect any apologies from the Orakpo fan club if Maybin turns out to be a stud in the future. It might take a year or two but I see good possibilities coming from Maybin. I doubt he becomes the next Bruce Smith. Hell, I doubt he becomes the next Aaron Schobel! But I don't doubt that passing judgment on him now is just plain dumb.
And if you don't like it, just become a Redskins fan so you can drool all over your favorite draft prospect. I'm sure there's plenty of room on THAT bandwagon.
Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.
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The anti-Maybin
rhetoric has gotten ridiculous.
I like Orakpo but he is vulnerable as heck. I watch the Redskins play frequently and he does get abused as an OLB. You can game plan against him. When he has both hands to the ground he is one heck of a rusher, but he also has a great supporting cast. But keepin mind, teams often run tight ends at him and get him out in space and he is not that effective. He does make great 3rd down plays. On the other hand, he does give up plays when TEs or backs are matched up against him in space which is not hard to do. So it’s six in one hand, half-dozen in the other.
He is great as a pass rusher and vulnerable in other cases. In a defense with Daniels, Carter, Haynesworth, Orakpo, Fletcher, and Hall, there is no reason they should get spanked as often as they do and yet . . .
I don’t know how D-linemen are graded, but I’m more than happy to live with the investment in Maybin if smarter people than I am believe that the kid has tremedous upside. He’ll be fine.
aaaahhhhh, i didnt’ dream that. i wish i would have used your post on the Orakpo?Cushing?Oher page.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 30, 2009 2:33 AM EST up reply actions
Rec'd, rec'd and rec'd!!!
Agree with just about everything you said. The anti-Maybin croud needs to quiet own about Orakpo. We picked Maybin and now we have to live with it. Stop with the comparisons already!
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 30, 2009 1:13 AM EST reply actions
I’m waiting for some fans to have custom Bills jerseys made with Orakpo’s name and number on the back.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Someone’s gonna blow a hundred bucks on that??? Ugh.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
People do that with hockey jerseys all the time, like the guy who got a custom Chicago jersey that says “RED WINGS SUCK” with a sideways 8 on it.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
That makes more sense than getting a player’s name on there.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
You’ve obviously missed the Flames jersey with Crosby on it.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
I saw a Leafs jersey with Gretzky on it once. Made me laugh, especially when you consider that the year Gretzky signed with the Rangers he approached the Leafs first and they turned him down.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 30, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Quiet you :)
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by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 1:40 AM EST up reply actions
And we would have solved our QB problem years ago if we just used a 5th round pick on that Brady guy.
by twoeightnine on Dec 30, 2009 1:50 AM EST up reply actions
Why take Brady in the 5th? He’ll be there in the 7th!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
I doubt it.
With the lines and coaching we’ve had,
He would have had multiple stops on IR, out of the NFL by now.
It’s the ultimate team game.
Our OL lines could have ruined any QB, even Manning. The only one that might have had a shot, Michael Vick, at least he can run for it, and has the elusiveness when there’s 1-3 Dline about ready to crush you in under 3 seconds.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Imagine if we had them lined up behind Ngata?!?!
With Darrelle Revis in the secondary!
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Nice rant. I agree with some of it. Other parts......not so much
Do you honestly think any self respecting members of other fan bases have done nothing this year except cry about draft picks they COULD have had?
I wouldn’t doubt that teams with similar records as the Bills for the past 10 years do. When you start to look at the number of high first round picks we have used on players who have underachieved, deemed to expensive to resign, or flat out busted, it is staggering.
2000 Erik Flowers - Bust
2001 Nate Clements – Shutdown CB, but deemed to expensive to keep
2002 Mike Williams – Bust
2003 Willis McGahee – Ungreatful SOB, Hated the Bills, traded…… got us ?
2004 Lee Evans – A solid #2 WR, but not worth where he was selected.
2004 J.P. Losman – Bust
2005 No 1st Round Pick
2006 Donte Whitner - Not worth were selected
2006 John McCargo – Bust
2007 Marshawn Lynch – Has talent, but one screw up from a 1 yr suspension
2008 Leodis McKelvin – ?? Jury is out, but was struggling before he got hurt
2009 Aaron Maybin - ?? Not ready to play
2009 Eric Wood – Great pick
Not really a great history is it?
And no, you CAN’T just fire your agent during negotiations.
Sure you can. It will have consequences, but it can be done.
Brian Orakpo would be a shutdown DE
????
Dick? Is that you? What exactly is a shutdown DE?
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by Joe P. on Dec 30, 2009 2:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
2003 Willis McGahee – Ungreatful SOB, Hated the Bills, traded…… got us ?
Trent Edwards, actually.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions
You know, considering the point of this post was “Stop crying about the past, look to the future”…
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by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 3:18 AM EST up reply actions
"those who ignore the past are doomed to repeat it"
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
I loathe McGahee and love how his star has fallen.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
Did you see the last Ravens game ........ he had two TD runs taken back on penalties
hahahahahhahhahhahahaaaaaa!!!!!!!!
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Missed that. That’s all the guy is now, another version of Lendale White.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
He has 6 more TDs
than Jackson and Lynch combined.
by twoeightnine on Dec 30, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
yep, so we got a recoving from injury Stroud for a high 1st round pick
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Bruce Smith? Reggie White? too bad there isn’t a time machine, we could sneak young Bruce to this decade.
Are we drafting Dino's now?
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by Billsfanstuckinthesouth on Dec 30, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Bruce Smith could replicate his HOF body of work, if the whole time machine thing worked. Nothing’s a given in life.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well we’d have to switch back to a 3-4 first. :-P
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
What’s more likely to happen: Buffalo going to a 3-4 or time travel?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Excellent point.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
The closest you could come.
Is blockbuster trade to move up to #1 and take Suh
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
firing ur agent will make the negotiations take way longer tho in a hold out that doesnt that help the fans…or the player get onto the field faster
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by BRIANMULHALL on Dec 30, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
Someone else needs to quiet down
And oh, do you hate Aaron Maybin.
I’m from Penn State country and have been a huge booster of Poz, Maybin, and hell, I was disappointed the Bills didn’t take Connor when he fell to the 3rd round two years ago. I believe Maybin will be a good NFL player. I love the kid.
That said, I hated the pick. Got that? The pick. The Bills needed an immediate impact player. We don’t have the luxury of a New England or Indianapolis that can sit back and wait for a gem in the rough to develop.
The Bills have been guilty of too many cute picks that defy analysts and common sense over the past decade. Losman, Whitner and McCargo are other prime examples. It’s beyond time to get a great personnel man in the front office.
This is not about Maybin at all.
The Dick Jauron version of the K-Gun...the Squirt Gun.
The Bills needed an immediate impact player.
I don’t think I agree with this. The coaches needed an immediate impact player. The fans wanted an immediate impact player. The Bills need the best players they can get their hands on regardless of time it will take to develop or position right now.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless the roster gets shot to hell when a new administration comes in. Some dude who got picked way too high and hasn’t shown anything his first year may not be what a new administration wants to work with.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 30, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed, BUT a new HCwould be crazy to see a kid like Maybin and not identify the potential that he has. If I was the Bills next HC I’d look at Maybin and say: “Heres a kid with all the physical tools needed and he’s willing to learn. Sure his rookie season was bad, but the last coaching staff didn’t know how to use him and didn’t give him enough playing time. Might be one of the many reasons why they got fired and why I’m here. hmm, maybe I shouldn’t make that same mistake. Ok lets see what this kid can really do.”
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 30, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
If you only hated the pick, I wasn’t talking to you at all with this post.
Like I said, we could have gotten the greatest immediate impact player in the history of the NFL… the season still would have been a bomb.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
This is what I disagree with you and all the Maybin pick backers:
After last season, the whole fan base + management (esp Dick Jauron) + Ralph Wilson himself were specifically calling for the playoffs this season. There were discussions that Wilson should have fired Jauron after last season’s collapse, and in the end most fans followed along the idea of “give Jauron one last chance”. Jauron knew he was under the gun to produce this season; just look at the desperate moves he made: last minute switching his starting LT, last minute firing his OC, signing of T.O. And for him to draft a “project” in Maybin absolutely doesn’t make sense at all! You can say every pick is a project, but obviously Maybin being only a 1yr starter and his physical built is a much much bigger project than any of the other 1st round draft picks.
I’m not saying that drafting Oher (my personal pick prior to the draft) would have put the team into the playoffs, but the Maybin pick doesn’t make sense — it is a contradiction and shows the lack of philosophy in management. IMO, the Maybin pick did in Jauron, and why needing a GM with a clear philosophy and plan is so important for Buffalo.
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What good would have an immediate impact player done?
Orakpo’s team is worse than Maybin’s despite having a much better defense. Besides they got one, Byrd, and that didn’t change much.
by twoeightnine on Dec 30, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Gah. Always battle lines within a fan base…
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 30, 2009 7:55 AM EST reply actions
orakpo plays on a top five defense
he also plays with haynesworth…he aslo put up big stats against Jamarcus Russel who is the worst QB in the history of football …. maybe had sacks in the preseason but with his limited playing time he has yet to record one in a game it not like he can NOT get to the corner or ush the passer he CAN and WILLL get sacks…He is young and undersized he will learn to play to his strengths and hide his weakness’ all pros do that…u think robert mathis is a good run defener or Dwight Freeney NO there not…. the Colts suck against the run but teams dont run against them much cause the offense is soo good that teams are forced to throw
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agree with post
I’m not against maybin. However I hate the fact that special teams is the best we can do for this guy. Maybe he has a future as a OLB rusher on a 3-4, but we barely played him this year; even as the year went by. We started Kelsay, who everyone says is playing a lot better. Well Kelsay is playing a lot better comparative to last year; also, for someone who’s playing a lot better, most of our big run plays are on the outside. I’m a big fan of developing a guy and giving a guy a chance, but Maybin was given not much of a chance to prove himself. Please Maybin, get bigger in the off season.
In my case
I’m not mad at Maybin. I am upset with our total lack of a FO, which chose a guy that will require several years to develop, years that we unfortunately do not have.
That being said, we are now in full blown search of a new head coach and all bets are off. We could very easily switch to a 3-4 next season depending on who gets hired. I think Maybin is a positive prospect for the future. I could definitely see him as a rushing OLB in a 3-4 system. What surprised me this year was that Jauron & Fewell refused to slide him out to OLB with all our injuries at the position. Geez we even switched Brian Scott from his safety position, I would have really liked to see Maybin given a shot, which I am certain he could have done well.
Nothing left to say...
could be that he has the physical, but not the mental talent to make that switch mid-season
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
which chose a guy that will require several years to develop, years that we unfortunately do not have.
Who doesn’t have it? I am not going anywhere. The Bills might but even then they take the players with them.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
at the time of the pick, a certain HC :-)
I seem to remember some talk about the Bills being in win now mode???
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Oh I explained that in other spots. The coaches needed an immediate impact player. The Bills as a team didn’t.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
What I meant by that is..
Many Rumblers were up in arms about our total lack of a pass rush in 2008. We needed an instant impact player or at least that was the perception this spring. The fact that both Schobel & Kelsay played well sort of minimized the issue. Had they both played as poorly as the previous year, we probably would have finnished with a 2-14 record. The point was simply that we were drafting a DE to be able to come in and make an immediate impact, not a guy to groom as a replacement of an aging one. We were lucky that Schobel bounced back and that Kelsay had a decent season.
Obviously the fans are fed up of loosing but it’s not a few extra years that will make that much of a difference.
PS: You could offer me a congrats on winning our FF league!
Nothing left to say...
PS: You could offer me a congrats on winning our FF league!
surprised there wasn’t an article on this already…..
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by J2 on Dec 30, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
i woudln’t know anything about that ;-)
Never put salt in your eyes
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by J2 on Dec 30, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
PS: You could offer me a congrats on winning our FF league!
HAHA. Lucky ducky. I could have put my best guys out there at every position and I still lost. It was truly not my week. Congrats.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 31, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
Browns Fans
Do you honestly think any self respecting members of other fan bases have done nothing this year except cry about draft picks they COULD have had? Even the Browns fans I know aren’t whining about Brady Quinn and other recent questionable picks by their franchise.
That is completely wrong. I live outside of Cleveland and I am surrounded by Browns fans all the time. All they ever do is complain about their draft picks. I hear about how Brady Quinn is a bust atleast once a day. I think one can make an agrument that the Browns have had worse drafts than the Bills over the last decade. The names Tim Couch, Courtney Brown, Gearrd Warren come to mind.
I like your post, but browns fans complain just as much as bills fans.
I believe my Lions drafts of Matt Millen trumps your Browns and Bills drafts! HAH!
Most teams screw up their early picks as often as they hit them. Unfortunately for us bottom dwellers the stakes are much higher than for teams like the Colts and Steelers.
by NorthLeft12 on Dec 30, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
I like that when discussions about horrible drafts spring up, Browns and Lions fans come running. =)
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
The topic must be a magnet.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 30, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Hopefully Schwartz and Mayhew are going to break that trend.
Our 2009 draft was good and deep. Check back in three years to know if it is really good.
Maybin
The problem with Maybin is he held out too long, which prohibited him from being prepared for the season, and now with Schobel retiring(?), the Bills are forced to ponder whether they need to draft a DE. Thanks for being greedy Maybin. I’m sorry, but I can’t stand rooks getting paid what they do, I’m all for a league cap on rookies base salaries! The only difference between the #1 pick and the #32 pick should be incentives.
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The Bills need to draft a DE or two regardless of Schobel retiring. Denney is in the last year of his contract now, Kelsay isn’t getting any younger and neither is Schobel.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 30, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Another reason why...
Choosing a guy like Orakpo instead of Maybin would have been beneficial is that he would have made an instant impact and we could draft other positions now. Instead, we don’t know yet what we have with Maybin and unfortunately you are right that we still need to draft another DE or two to edge our bets.
Nothing left to say...
he would have made an instant impact
cough
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by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
There’s really no way of knowing if Orakpo would have been any better here. He probably would have held out too and would be playing limited snaps.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 31, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
And that’s about as far into that debate as I’m gonna get. LOL
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 31, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
Greedy?
There’s an (unfortunate) system in the NFL for handing out rookie contracts. Maybin’s agent was just going along with it. Until there’s a cap it’s going to happen every year.
by twoeightnine on Dec 30, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly what I'm saying
We need a cap on rookies base salaries. And at some point, Maybin could have said to his agent “the offer on the table is a good offer, I need to get into camp, let’s just accept it.”
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To The Bill-lievers crowd... Sit down and quiet down.
Aaron Maybin is a paid professional and his getting criticized for being a first round pick who looks like some NFL player’s little brother trying on a Bills uniform for Halloween is perfectly acceptable. Show me one tangible thing Maybin has done in his rookie season that would erase doubts about him. I’m not saying it could be reasonably expected of him to come out and dominate (like Orakpo) in his rookie season, but the level of how bad Maybin has been is unquestionably worse than even the biggest homer can defend with a straight face. To this point, Maybin deserves to be doubted. I don’t see why bill-lievers take such offense to such objective review of personnel. Stop being a fanboy and respect supporters of the team who don’t wjere Bills’ footie pajamas to bed. This type of lecture is unreasonable.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
Hey cool, I was waiting for someone to show up, not read the OP and start crying about me! Surprised it took this long!
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by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
I read it. Don’t generalize. And for teh record I had no opinion on Maybin or Orakpo heading into the draft; I barely watch any Big 10 or Big 12 football and LOATHE the Kipers, McShays, and fanboys who grade prospects…I do watch the NFL and rarely has a pick taken so high showed so little promise. He has time to turn it around, but it’s quite reasonable to doubt him based on what we’ve seen.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
but it’s quite reasonable to doubt him based on what we’ve seen.
No, it’s not.
And if you’d actually READ THE POST, it said that about 20 times in there.
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by UZ on Dec 30, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
some people will never get it u wait three years to judge players becasue then u have a large enouh body of work to tell what they are..in some cases it takes longer and others it takes less….we have had great play form our DEs this year and that is all that matters
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by BRIANMULHALL on Dec 30, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
You can still formulate an opinion based on how a player LOOKS out there
Maybe the production isn’t there, but watching a guy overmatched and unable to do anything is not a good sign for the future. I agree with Royal that what we’ve seen of him leads to a lot of doubt about if he’ll ever amount to what he was expected to.
~K
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I read it and I don’t care how redundant you were with your pronouncement; I respectfully disagree…Thanks for the article.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
Sorry not sipping your spiked kool-aid......
but kudos for the length on your article……..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 30, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions
For What It's Worth
I’ll worry about Maybin next year. For my part, I was pretty sure that he wasn’t going to make an impact this year. He had to learn to carry an extra 15 pounds and learn how to be a professional all while missing most of training camp. We’ll have a better idea next year I think.
Just for reference (and you may take this data whatever way you wish), the first seasons for the top 15 sackers in NFL history:
Tackles/Sacks/FF
Bruuuuce 48/6.5/0
Reggie White 100/13/0
Kevin Greene 15/0/0
Chris Doleman 113/0.5/0
Michael Strahan 3/1.0/0
Richard Dent 12/3/1
John Randle 21/1/1
Lawrence Taylor *
Leslie O’ Neal 82/12.5/3
Ricky Jackson *
Jason Taylor 30/5/2
Derrick Thomas 75/10/3
Simeon Rice 42/12/1
Clyde Simmons 3/2/0
Sean Jones 15/1/0
Aaron Maybin 15/0/1
- Both Taylor and Jackson played their first years before there were official stats for sacks, FF and, apparently, tackles. I think we can assume that Taylor’s first year was statistically very good, although I’m not sure thats the case with Jackson.
Jri111 Posted this really good fanpost a while back. I think itis time to bust it out again, because of all of the Maybin talk.
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Maybin has a Forced Fumble??? Didn’t know.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 31, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
It was on punt coverage.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 2, 2010 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
When was the first time
that a #1 draft choice in the NFL as a rookie, didn’t even have one sack – Never! – Look it up and do your homework. Most of the stud defensive ends in the NFL, Jared Allen, even Schobel, all had at least 5 sacks in their rookie year.
- With the money that Maybin signed for after holding out, he deserves to be criticized.
- Lastly, opinions like your’s and settling for excuses, is the reason the Bills are one of the worst organizations in the NFL and have not made the playoffs for ten years.
- Sorry, i grew up watching the Super Bowl teams and know what it takes to have a winning organization and team.
- Maybin came out after his sophomore year! That is the other problem.
When was the first time that a #1 draft choice in the NFL as a rookie, didn’t even have one sack – Never! – Look it up and do your homework
Does the name Vernon Gholston ring a bell? If you had read the post two above this one you will see that Hall of Famer Chris Doleman, a man who was drafted #4 overall had only a half sack his rookie year. Would you feel better if Maybin had a half sack? Really?
No weekend spent pantsless is a wasted weekend.
Without looking a damn thing up I know you’re wrong because that stat is ludicrous.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 31, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
But it IS MAYBINs fault...
That he tweets like a hero. Oh, man doe he tweet that he’s #1.
That’s the problem, and that’s his fault. Too much chest pounding.
Hey Maybin: Less Tweets. More Tackles.
Tweet when you mean something. That’s a few seasons away.
Most people that tweet, including me, don’t mean a whole lot. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 2, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
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