Nix promotion not popular, but definitely sensible
By now, you've probably heard that the Buffalo Bills have a new General Manager in long-time scout and front office executive Buddy Nix. The news is still fresh and initial opinions are still rolling in; as such, I'm in need of a mind dump. Here's everything I think about the Nix hiring while it's still hot off the presses.
This was a step in the right direction. I've maintained for quite some time - and most Bills fans thoroughly agreed with the sentiment - that Buffalo needed to get a GM in place. That deed is now done. Buffalo's got a football guy calling the shots, which no matter which way you slice it is a step in the right direction.
The timing of the move was impeccable. I've seen this move described as "quick," but haven't the Bills been aware of their impending organizational re-structure since November 17? The regular season ends in three days, folks. With Nix in place prior to the end of the season, Buffalo can now chase the top guys on their head coaching list, which Nix spoke of at his introductory press conference.
This was not an internal hire. Well, it was, but not in the same way that Bills fans have become accustomed to dreading. Nix has only been in Buffalo for a year. He has little to no long-term affiliation with any of the prominent front office executives held over from the Tom Donahoe era, namely Tom Modrak and John Guy. He's not some corporate stooge that will act as the mouthpiece of a status quo organization; he's a football guy. He's his own man, and he'll create his own culture as he develops his football organization.
Age is just a number. People will unfairly point out that Nix is 70, and that it might have been prudent to re-structure around someone younger. While I believe that argument has some merit, I only believe it's tangible from an energy level standpoint. If Nix is aggressive in cleaning house and establishing his very own football culture, I'm betting that folks will drop the age argument - and possibly even embrace the hire.
This was necessarily not a popularity contest. I don't mind this hire even if it precludes the Bills from bringing in a "big name" head coach. The NFL is not a popularity contest. Hiring Mike Shanahan, for example, might have given us as fans the opportunity to flex our muscles during the off-season, and it certainly would have been a more intriguing discussion to have than this one, but ultimately, the big name would have had the same job as Nix now has. I'm not worried about image. All that matters is results, and I think Nix is qualified for the chance to try to bring about those results.
Nix' philosophies on team-building are sound. During his introductory press conference, Nix made it clear that he is a "build through the draft guy," saying that he views free agency as a method to fill in positions that were not addressed in the draft with quality, mid-tier guys to help you win short-term. Don't expect flashy free agent signings with Nix in charge. I, personally, don't have a problem with that. If he goes out and signs three players who contribute the way Drayton Florence did this year, he'll have done his job very well.
His coaching hire is of critical importance. Yes, that's a very obvious thing to say. Nix spoke almost at length about his belief that previous head coaching experience is helpful when narrowing down a field of candidates, so expect Buffalo's next head coach to have previous head coaching experience. All that matters is this: that Nix and his coach be on the same page in terms of football philosophy, team-building philosophy, and organizational pacing. Nix talked about communication between these two parties being important, and he's right. Nix might only get one shot at hiring a head coach, so he'd better hit this one out of the park.
He'll let his coaches deal with the quarterbacks. Nix spoke of the importance of getting a coaching staff in place and letting them evaluate their current players before making key personnel decisions. Buffalo needs to make a move for a head coach quickly, but they can afford to be somewhat patient at quarterback. Again, I liked hearing this from Nix - and he didn't need to say that Buffalo needs a new QB, but it'd have been nice if he did. Because they do.
Skepticism is warranted, and encouraged. Part of the reason I like this move is because it allows the fan base to be completely objective from the start. Let's face it - if a big name coach like Shanahan had been brought in, expectations would have been meteoric. Right now, with Nix in place, expectations will be more reasonable - and as such, so will arguments for and against the moves he's about to make.
A prediction. Nix' hiring has been a mixed bag of opinions to this point, which is fully expected. It was also surprising - so much so that the Bills' announcement of an impending press conference kind of caught everybody off guard. My prediction is this: if Nix starts the new year by cleaning house (i.e. firing either Modrak or Guy, or ideally both) and putting his stamp on the organization, his popularity will inch upward. But as I said - it's not about popularity. It's about making the right moves. I like the Nix hiring, but that's where it ends for now. What he does over the next few weeks, and obviously into the meat of the off-season, is what really matters.
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Is there any chance that this hasn't been the plan since they hired him in January?
Why else would he have left being the No. 2 guy in San Diego to become “national scout” for the bills. If I’m a 70 year old, I’d stick it out in San Diego unless I was going to get my first GM job ever. Buffalo winters are a little rougher on the ole bones. :)
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
Nix “retired” from San Diego – he and Schottenheimer were pals, and when Schottenheimer was fired, they kind of phased Nix out of the front office b/c he was so vehemently opposed to Marty leaving. It was A.J. Smith, if you recall, who wanted Marty gone.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is a very positive aspect of the Nix promotion as I am still a huge Marty fan, Nix kept saying how important the teaching aspect was and there are very few that are better than Marty.
I think our chances of landing Marty just went up ten-fold, which is a great thing.
Nothing left to say...
I would be okay with Marty.......
but he’s so old……………we need some youth around here…….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 31, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Marty can still get-her-done! He is an awesome teacher, a coach that players really respect. He has ALWAYS been a winner and he’s built teams everywhere he’s been. The knock on him is irrelevant to us, at this point I’d love to see us get to the playoffs each year only to loose, it would be a huge improvement. Besides I think that Marty is well over due.
I am also a huge believer in “marty-ball”, imagine what he could do with Jackson/Lynch at his disposal.
Nothing left to say...
Schottenheimer.
Marty is retired and might be too old for a return in Buffalo.
BUT perhaps we now poach the other Schottenheimer!
Shotty is only in his sixties
64 or something I believe…. e’s got one last go round in him
It's not all that bad.... Go Bills 2010 !!!!
Schottenheimer told Jason La Canfora that he’s staying retired.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
True
He also said the same thing before he was hired by San Diego.
John Clayton was on WGR550 Today and said even though Marty says he is staying retired, there is a chance Nix could convince him to come back.
I personally thing the biggest carrot that could be dangled to Marty, is the Idea of him being HC, bringing in Brian to be an OC, where he could be groomed as a HC to be Marty’s replacement once things were turned around.
That might be the sort of thing that would convince Marty’s wife to be OK with him coming back to coaching,
Mainly by doing so, they could give a Jump start to Brian’s coaching career.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well, I would be okay if we got Marty and poached Ron Rivera from San Diego to be the Ast. HC to replace him
And to run our DC, THAT would be the killer one-two for me!
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
I don't thik that would get Marty here.
Think of a mother’s instinct, protect and nurture her young.
Marty’s wife might be OK with him coaching again, if it led to a head coaching career for Brian.
I think that is the only avenue to get Schottenheimer here.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Hey maybe isntead of getting Marty out of retirement (which is a long shot) maybe Nix can poach Rivera as a HC or Assistant HC. I know a few ppl mentioned Rivera as a good option for an up and commer at HC. Maybe Nix could pull it off.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 1, 2010 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Why in the heck are we worried already about who will replace him?
I dunno, maybe we should worry about having a winning season before we start the dynasty?
by twoeightnine on Jan 1, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
so we are not left scrambling if Nix becomes ill, etc
It is never to soon to plan ahead.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
I agree. I think the Bills and Nix should set up the FO with a well defined number #2 instead of a group of guys with VP titles who Brandon would be in charge of if Nix had to step down. Since Nix was the asst. GM in San Diego, I’m hopeful he will set up our FO in the same way that San Diego’s was.
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Sorry, thought you were talking about Nix....to many pronouns :-)
Marty is no spring chicken, so isn’t the point still valid ?
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
He's also not our coach so no.
But I love that fans are already picking the next coach’s successor who he groomed and trained himself. The next coach is already a great success and we won’t need to clean house after he’s fired retired. Mmmmm, koolaid.
Be a dbag if you want, but in the context of that conversation....Marty was the HC
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Any chance Marty considers comming out of retirement now that Nix is GM?
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 31, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Oh, nvm, just read Brian’s comment.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 31, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
Something Positive
I totally agree about the teaching thing. In all honesty I would not be sold on the the big splash thing with Marty. Big Name Yes, playoff record not so much. We have along ways to go but thank you very much for your positive input, it is a refreshing sign from such a knowledgeable fan.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
A journey of a 1000 miles.
Starts with the first step.
I would be good with Marty being that first step.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
He spent most of his time in the Southeast not SD.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
color me..............
Not impressed and very disappointed……..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 31, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions
Sure, as soon as you tell me why.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
we dont need someone else to run the team who requires OJT...........
we’ve been there and done that.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 31, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
But there's nothing, literally nothing, to say he needs on the job training.
I’d say his experience level is the least of my worries. I’m far more concern with whether or not he can put together a quality staff.
Yep, I don’t even know what OJT might be.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
well I've always been more concerned with the coach more than the GM anyways.........
so im more like “whatever” with this stage.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 31, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Lets be fair here though, if the Bills had hired Eric DeCosta, ( a name that seems pretty popular) Most would rejoice. DeCosta has as much experience as a GM as Nix does…zero.
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difference
is that Nix has been passed over for GM jobs forever or never even been considered. His career is over. DeCosta and others are beginning their careers.
As Brian has pointed out, Nix spent 26 years coaching and has only been in front offices for 17 years (about the same amount of time as DeCosta). So he went from Bills scout in the 90s to assistant GM of the Chargers very, very quickly and then quit/retired during the AJ Smith and Marty Schottenheimer fall out.
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Do you think this is the first step to bring in a Schottenheimer to coach?
Either Marty or Brian? I know they are very close.
"always thinking one step ahead, like a carpenter...who makes stairs..."
No, I don’t. Not in either case.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I do.
If he could bring Brian as OC, and groom him for a head coaching job, that might be what it takes to get him on the sidelines.
Monte Kiffin went to the Volunteers to coach with his son.
There’s talk Kyle Shannahan will be OC if Mike is hired in Washington.
There is a possibility.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
If he could bring Brian as OC, and groom him for a head coaching job, that might be what it takes to get him on the sidelines.
Have you watched any Jets games? Brian Schottenhiemer is in the bottom 3rd of OC’s in the league. He is bad.
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Agreed. In this case the apple that fell from the tree was actually an orange. Brian isn’t even in the same league as Marty as far as coaching skills are concerned.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 1, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I want nothing to do with Brian Schottenheimer. And I’m not sure how him taking a lateral move to be the Bills OC is grooming him for a HC job. He’s already an NFL coordinator, so all he has to do is not suck at that (unlikely) and he would get his chance as a HC,
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Let's hope not
~K
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Why don't you like Schotty?
He’s a good coach, not elite, but could be a good start in turning this around to me.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
I want nothing to do with Brian Schottenheimer
~K
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While I am ok with this, I am still concerned with who he will bring in as coach. Brian do you think this helps with Cowher? Do you think he could convince Marty to come out of retirement even though he says he doesn’t want to?
Not only do I think this helps with Cowher, I think it helps with any potential head coach, because now people know who “the guy” is in this football organization.
But in the real spirit of your question, I have no idea what it means to this supposed chase of Bill Cowher. Nor do I much care, because I’m not married to the idea that Cowher is the only good coaching prospect available.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, that’s exactly right on all counts. I do think, though, that this would make the Buffalo gig more attractive to Cowher because we now not only have a highly regarded talent evaluator as GM, but also someone who is not trying to make his reputation and thus is likely to give his HC lots of room. It’s the perfect set-up for someone like Cowher. But as you say, there are plenty of other good HC prospects out there.
That's one positive
Also, moving this quickly on a GM suggests the Bills intend to move quickly on a head coach, meaning they’re looking at former head coaches without jobs and not assistants who will be coaching deep into the playoffs. If the target is Cowher or Schottenheimer it makes sense try and get them signed before Dallas loses in the 1st round and another more attractive job opens up. Cowher does seem like a Buffalo kind of guy but if Carolina fires John Fox the temptation of coaching in his back yard might be too much for him to pass up.
I guess moving quickly could also be a bad thing if the target is another Jauron-style retread who’s failed with another team.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 31, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
Wasn’t Bill Cowher a Marty protege, too? Maybe Nix could use his connection with Marty to get Cowher. I’m just speculating out the wazoo.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
I just want him to bring in a winner!
There are a lot of coaches with experience, so I really hope he brings one in that is a proven winner in the league.
He may very well be the right choice, but it’s frustrating that the Bills didn’t talk to any serious candidates outside of the organization. Looking over a list of names isn’t an interview process.
Wilson simply hired the best person that he personally knew. Hopefully it works out because the other two options would have been dreadful choices.
Maybe it will happen as things develop, but I’d like to see an Ass’t GM hired from the outside to be groomed as the next GM, because let’s face it, Nix is 70 and likely won’t be able to do the job for the long term.
The benefit to getting a GM now is that the coaching decision can be made quicker, but as it is, there aren’t going to be too many openings so doing this now shouldn’t be critical. Washington will have an opening, but presumably Shanahan is already signed (or maybe Jerry Gray will get the job!).
I’m not disappointed with the choice, I’m disappointed with the process. This is not a franchise that should not be looking at external candidates given their track record. Obviously, this hasn’t all fallen under Nix’s watch, but why avoid outside candidates altogether? I know Wilson got a little fired up about the question, but I’m not even looking for a ‘name’ guy, just someone that might have fresh ideas, and a different eye on the situation. There’s really no harm in that. Waiting 2 more weeks to get the right guy for the next 5-10 years outweighs any benefit you could get by making a more now.
Wilson confirmed that they did talk to people outside the organization. We just didn’t hear about it; in case you didn’t notice, the Bills kind of did a ridiculously good job at keeping the lid on this whole thing, including today’s announcement.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
It seems to me Wilson should have gone with the approach of letting fans in on the process
Since it would seem to me like many fans are frustrated with this whole organization…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 31, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
Right. And maybe I’m misinterpreting this, but I got the impression that they were just exploring candidates, not formally interviewing them.
And can you even interview candidates with other teams during the season?
No you can't interview them specifically for a job
But you can contact their agents to inquire if they would be willing to talk to someone from the team as soon as the season is done for a position.
As my mother once said, common sense isn't as common as it should be, I'm looking at you Ralph, get the Front Office in order, THEN worry about who your HC is....
No. They cannot. That’s tampering.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
Right, unless they got permission.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
No one with a job
Wilson could not have talked to anyone with a job until the season is over.
No they cannot. Not until after the regular season.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
If the Colts gave the Bills permission to talk to Tom Telesco, for example, the Bills can talk to Telesco.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
in case you didn’t notice, the Bills kind of did a ridiculously good job at keeping the lid on this whole thing
Which is what happens when you only formally interview internal candidates.
Wilson confirmed that they did talk to people outside the organization.
Did you not read that part, or do you not believe Ralph?
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That could be me for all you know. I'm outside the organization....so is the guy who sells hot dogs from that cart with the big red umbrella
I want to know who they passed on.
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I don’t believe that Ralph interviewed a person outside the organization for the GM position. And if I heard correctly (which admittedly was poor audio) he clearly never said that he interviewed anyone from the outside, just that he talked with people outside the organization about it. And I do believe that Ralph and/or Brandon talked with people in other organizations about who might be a worthy GM candidate. But that’s a pretty big distinction than interviewing them. I don’t believe that Ralph ever seriously considered anyone outside the organization for the position, and am thankful that Nix was around because I fear for what the next choice may have been.
And as far as I’ve seen only Nix, Guy and Modrak were interviewed for the position.
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by Michael_Necci on Dec 31, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
Wilson confirmed that they did talk to people outside the organization.
Not according to Shefter:
However, a league source told ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter that the Bills considered two other in-house personnel men — pro personnel director John Guy and chief scout Tom Modrak — among the candidates for the GM position. Nix impressed Wilson during a recent face-to-face meeting, and stood out above the other two candidates that were interviewed.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 31, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is a pretty snippy response to a very good post. When asked if they conducted a GM search, Ralph said, “Russ and I scanned a list of candidates. We didn’t know them. I didn’t know them. I don’t think Russ did. We narrowed it down to two candidates for the job of general manager of football, two in-house candidates.”
Does that sound like a man who just conducted an exhaustive league-wide search? That quote from Ralph is an embarassment. No one can deny Nix’s qualifications. He is an experienced and more-than competent football man. But that is not the point. There are a lot of good personnel men in the league and you can’t know you got the best one unless you actually conduct a thorough interview process. That unequivocally did not happen.
Let’s just hope that the interview process for a new head coach is conducted as if the Buffalo Bills are actually a legitimate professional sports franchise.
by Nick315 on Jan 1, 2010 9:02 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Nick,
A much more eloquent way of saying what I have been preeching. Rec’d!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 1, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
the thing that irked me most about that press conference yesterday was how much Ralph talked about comfort.
Guess what Ralph, it’s not about comfort because you’re comfortable with mediocrity.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
well said. rec'd
It is this type of mentality by Wilson that makes the Bills NFL’s afterthought.
If Nix turns out to do the job well, then all Bills fans need to thank God!
Bills fan half way around the world
It is this type of mentality by Wilson that makes the Bills NFL’s afterthought.
Like when they promoted Bill Polian and John Butler…. man familiarity sucks!
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 3, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
The idea
is to find the best man for the job. This is not a familiarity contest.
Just because Polian/Butler worked and Donahoe didn’t work doesn’t mean looking within the organization will give you the best man for the GM job. Nobody is saying Nix will definitely not work out, at least that’s not what I’m implying nor what I understand Nick315 is implying either.
Wilson’s position not to open the field for the post handicaps the possibility of greater success, and that’s the mentality which continues to give the Bills extra hurdles to overcome than other NFL franchises.
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Brian, they could NOT have talked to anybody outside the organization that currently holds a job with another team.
Unequivocally could not have happened. It’s tampering. I posted the NFL’s anti-tampering policy a few weeks ago. Either a) they didn’t really talk to anybody outside of the organization or B) anyone they talked to does not currently hold a position on another NFL team.
And to those that said they could have “spoke with their agents” or “asked for permission” that is also incorrect. They cannot even ask for permission until after this week’s game – the end of the regular season. During regular season, any discussions they would have had with an employee of another team would be tampering.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
I think Wilson meant that he talked to people who aren’t currently in the league.
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I think he meant he talked to people like Marv – old friends of his – not that they actually talked to external candidates like DeCosta, Gettleman, etc. I know they didn’t actually talk to external candidates that currently hold a position because again, that would be tampering.
Brian said they talked to people outside the organization and alluded to it as though it was some sort of informal interview process. That clearly was not the case unless they were talking to someone like Marty Schottenheimer (just as an example) and asked him if he was interested in the GM position. That obviously wouldn’t be tampering as Marty doesn’t hold a position with another team.
Bill Polian and AJ Smith are gone, so there's not the usual balance between "sane" and "others." Ralph has mentally checked out since 1994. It's a very dangerous time. The coalition for reason is extremely weak.
I wasn’t alluding to it as anything other than they discussed potential candidates from outside the organization.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Brian, they could NOT have talked to anybody outside the organization that currently holds a job with another team.
Quite right. Luckily, there are guys currently unemployed that they likely mulled over.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
this is really good news in my opinion
The guy comes from a team in which he was one of the top guys who helped build a decade long winner. People will remember the San Diego Chargers of the 2000s when they look back at the decade of football. This is the proper GM hire. An experienced guy in terms of building a team but a guy from the outside who can bring a different culture from a winner and a guy who is getting his first shot to be the captain – that helps with the intensity level for the entire team IMO, brings energy and motivation.
I also think his older age is a big plus for us going after a big name coach. A young guy getting his first gig would be a more likely scenario for an ego clash with a big name coach – being threatened by the big name coaches power would likely make a young first time GM avoid a big name guy in the search process. An older, wiser and more experienced GM is far less likely to get involved in a petty ego battle or let that steer him away from a big name coach.
For now, I like the move. But that doesn’t matter. Lets see what happens.
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also
having been here for a season he has already made thorough talent evaluations and seen how the front office structure of the Bills is flawed in detail. That will help him fix this mess.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
I'll agree with some or most of what you said but
People will remember the San Diego Chargers of the 2000s when they look back at the decade of football.
Not a chance in hell. Patriots, Steelers, Colts, even the Giants, Eagles and Packers before them. There’s only 2 things about the Chargers that people will remember. They made the playoffs with an 8-8 record and they were a failure of a playoff football team twice.
by twoeightnine on Dec 31, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
you really dont think so?
When I think of the 2000s something engrained in my brain is the Chargers, Colts, Patriots and Steelers battling it out in the playoffs over and over. The Eagles are the 2000 version of the Buffalo Bills of the 1990s and the Browns before them. Every decade has a team that is really good, near dominant but never goes all the way to the top. So yes, Eagles I would count in there as well. The Giants dont stick out to me all that much except for their incredible upset. They fielded a lot of good teams but I dont think they were the class of the league for more than a year or two.
"you just have to know there's always going to be adversity. None of these games are going to be easy. Nothing will be given to us" - Paul Posluszny
The Chargers had "only" the 9th best record in the '90s, not including this season.
(the only is in "" because I believe the Bills came in 63rd.)
And that was buoyed by a 14-2 and a 12-4 season and both of those years ended in first round playoff loses. This will only be their 5th winning season. They had one season in which they even made a peep in the playoffs and that’s completely forgotten because of the Pats and Giants.
by twoeightnine on Dec 31, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
So does Nix report to Brandon?
I don’t hate the Nix thing as much as I hate the Brandon promotion. I don’t want Brandon anywhere near Nix’s decisions.
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Yes.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 31, 2009 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
everybody has a business guy the GM reports to. it means nothing.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
we have a GM who is a FOOTBALL guy everyone be happy for that alone
this man is accomplished and has a chance to turn this thing around … he seems to have the right idea about hiring a coach with experience
"The only yardstick for success our society has is being a champion. No one remembers anything else." John Madden
had a coach with experience coming into the year............
How bout a HC who’s used to winning…….that would be lovely IMO.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 31, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
i think ur missing my point a coach with experience as opposed to a cordinator or a college coach or a CFL coach or something like that
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by BRIANMULHALL on Dec 31, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite part of his presser was when he said it himself that it doesn’t MATTER how big of a splash you make, all that matters is if you’re winning down the road.
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
Don’t count on it (winning).
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by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 31, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
so…not Haslett please. While Cowher would be the dream candidate, Schottenheimer is likely the only one left. Regardless of who it is, I hope its someone who is creative on offense, or bring in a good coordinator. I’m tired of seeing this popgun offense.
If Cowher is to come here, tell him to bring Mike Miller/Russ Grimm as our OC.
I'm OK with the hire.
Has A good background.
John Clayton was just on WGR550, and said there is a chance Nix could talk Schottenheimer into coming back to coach.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 5:31 PM EST reply actions
I like the choice...
Main reason is that Nix already knows the players, and as a recognized, excellent talent evaluator, it’s doubtful he will “blow up” the team and start over… Granted, a lot will depend on his HC hire, but as I’ve said before, I don’t think the Bills are far from being able to compete with the best of them, and for me anyway, I was not looking forward to a 3-4 yr rebuild…
Also, in his presser, he noted the injuries as a major problem. Again, I beleive it’s something that can be fixed by training and coaching and it was a relief to her him echo that sentiment (or almost)…
Yes!
Also, in his presser, he noted the injuries as a major problem.
It could be the strength and conditioning coaches, could be the turf replacement in 2003.
I don’t know, but we have to figure out what it is that is causing the injuries to move forward.
I personally would like to see the Turf ripped out of the Ralph and replace it with natural grass.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
my initial reaction was YIKES! I'm done with this
but upon further review, IF there is a guy who knows what we HAVE and knows what we NEED, it’s Nix. If he’s 10% of the talent scout his resume says he is, we could be/should be fine IF we get a HC who can develop and coach the talent.
Two big IFs but neither impossible. My only concern is the years it will take and the years he has left. He already retired once. I’d hate for us to get to the brink (the good brink – not the current one) and he gets sick or tired or both.
Well hey, if Ralph can live to 103 years old, why not Nix?
Bills fan? In Colorado? It's more likely than you think.
by UZ on Dec 31, 2009 5:35 PM EST up reply actions
I’ll be okay with this, as long as we bring in a proven winner. This team doesn’t need another Jim Haslett, Mike Zimmer, Leslie Frazier etc. type of HC. We need somebody that has been there and done that and Bill Cowher fits that description.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Dec 31, 2009 5:37 PM EST reply actions
You are killing me Brian
Let’s review…
Buffalo can now chase the top guys on their head coaching list
Can we agree that we should see a “big” name here than. Someone that is not an internal hire?
This was not an internal hire.
Um… ENOUGH! It completely was an internal hire! I don’t care if the guy has been here a year or ten years. It was an internal hire. This statement is blatantly false and it frustrates me as to how some of you defend it as “not” an internal hire.
People will unfairly point out that Nix is 70
OK… So this guy is 70 years old… Which wouldn’t be a big deal, but considering NO ONE has provided him an oppurtunity in approximately 50 years to become a GM is relevant. Why would it take so long before someone realizes his potential. Furthermore, realistically speaking how long can this guy last for? GM’s are required to work long hours and diligently. This reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where they work Jerry’s dad into quiting.
This was necessarily not a popularity contest.
OK, but winning breeds popularity… Let’s go through the list of “popular” guys… Cowher, Holmgren, Shanahan, Dungy, Parcells… Popular because they win! We hire unpopular guys who remain unpopular because they don’t win.
During his introductory press conference, Nix made it clear that he is a “build through the draft guy,” saying that he views free agency as a method to fill in positions that were not addressed in the draft with quality
Translation = OBD won’t be spending money next year, we will try to fill voids through the draft and with some b-list free agents. Don’t expect big moves which we need (i.e. QB, LT, etc.)
I am SOOO disappointed today. This was more than the proverbial two steps back the Bills take. This will continue the losing legacy. The fact that he still answers to Russ Brandon should make this crystal clear that we are in the same boat we were this year. Brandon has been promoted to CEO for what???? Doing a horrible job? Ralph Wilson, thanks for nothing!
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by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 31, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions
Re:
I agree with some of this, primarily that having a GM is a step in the right direction (rocket science, I know), but let’s look at “age is just a number.” That’s a cliche that doesn’t serve reality. How often do people get promoted to the top of their profession at age 70? There’s a reason for that- the onset of dementia and overall physical decline, a perfectly natural part of the circle of life. Age will certainly factor into Nix’s regime and he’ll have to rely more heavily on those working under him and what you get is a slippery slope towards the dreaded inner circle. This hire is uninspiring on many levels and denying that is a little too P.C. in my opinion…Had Nix won a league-wide talent hunt, I’d be on board, but in absence of a true league-wide search, this move screams of Wilson once again, proving to be predictably irrational.
Aaron Maybin is Chris Ellis 2.0.
This hire is uninspiring on many levels and denying that is a little too P.C. in my opinion…
LOL. Well, I’m not inspired, if that takes me out of “P.C. territory.” I just like it. I’m not agog about it, but I think it’s solid. Ready for the head coach now.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 31, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Parcells is 1 year younger.
Would you be complaining if he was our GM because of his age?
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Why would anyone care that Nix is 70? It’s not as though his 40 time is central to his assigned responsibilities. My father is nearing 70 and still works like a maniac—not because he has to but because his career is one of his reasons for living.
While time will tell if Nix was the right hire, I’ve got to say that I’m delighted with the timing of the move. The Bills will not be fumbling about for most of January before really getting into the coaching search. As many as 4-6 head coaches could be fired on Monday. With them will go their entire coaching staffs, some of whom are talented coordinators who could be considered for a head coaching gig. Buffalo will be ready to chase them. Buffalo will also be ready to interview assistant coaches from playoff teams when those teams are eliminated from the playoffs and, if I recall correctly, the Bills can interview assistants on the two Super Bowl teams for a couple of days after the conference championships. Nix might not make everyone forget about Polian but he was at least hired in time to chase the top coaching talent.
Wilson has at least said that Nix will get the support he needs. As it relates to the coaching hire, Wilson has said that he’s willing to pay $10 million a year to the right candidate. If Nix can’t parlay that kind of cash into a superb head coach then we’ll know that he was a Donahoe-esque choice.
Nix has apparently been saying the sort of things that coaches want to hear—namely that the coaches will make the decisions on who plays QB. Coaches are control freaks by nature (and probably should be since they get all the blame with things go wrong) and top coaching talent tends to avoid places where they are being dictated to from above. Maybe Nix will promise to run interference with Wilson when coaches are being interviewed….
I loved a blub I saw in which Nix implied that Maybin could be a bust. Yes, he was saying that it would take 3 seasons to know if Maybin was a hit or a bust but Nix is at least willing to acknowledge that Maybin hasn’t shown any return on Buffalo’s investment. While it’s really just stating the obvious it also tells me that Nix isn’t worried about stepping on the toes of the guys who made the pick 8 months ago.
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by Ron From NM on Dec 31, 2009 5:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Maybin
So what is he doing other than admitting his own mistake. Per Chris Brown on BB.com in January.
“…Though his focus will remain in the Southeast, Nix will serve as a National Scout for Buffalo, which will require him to cover a lot of the major college programs in preparation for the NFL draft…
Nix wasn’t traveling to campuses this past fall having retired so he knows he’ll have some catch up work to do if he is to help contribute to Buffalo’s final draft board come April….
The veteran scout will be attending the NFL combine in February and workouts and pro days on college campuses in March…"
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by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 31, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully.
The statement lights a fire under Maybin and let’s him know you might be one contract and done in the NFL, if he doesn’t improve his game rather than marketing himself by wasting his time coming up with nicknames he carves into his hair.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
A football guy is a step in the right direction...
Though not flashy, I think that we need to see what he does in the next few weeks/months before we judge the man. I just listened to his press conference and boy with his down home demeanor he sounds a lot like Ross Perot.
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I don’t know that I would call a perrenial under achiver a better receiver then a first ballot HOFer.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 31, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm ready now to give this a chance.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 31, 2009 6:04 PM EST reply actions
Nix versus Shanahan
Why would people even prefer Shanahan over someone like Nix?
Nix worked in a successful organization (Chargers) for several years where he was the director of Pro Personnel. He was a scout before that, with Buffalo. Also he worked in buffalo during the decade where they were actually good. He knows the working class kind of players that fans expect out of their team here. Also being 70 years old, he has plenty of experience. The fact that he was a coach and knows the college and pro systems should also be a plus.
Not saying he’s god or that he’s perfect, but he’s not unqualified.
Shanahan wasn’t ever a scout and was only a head coach. People are just obsessed with what Parcells did in Miami and want Shanahan to be the Buffalo version of that.
As far as other candidates, there are plenty who are just as qualified or who we may call more qualified, however, we should wait a few years and see the kinds of drafts that Nix puts together.
What he needs to do is rank everyone and just select the best player available irregardless of need. (or atleast partially) in theory, we should build into a solid team that way.
He also needs to hire a coach that has a solid reputation.
Looking back though, were all of our past hires horrible?
Mularkey is a good offensive coordinator in Atlanta, and Gregg Williams is doing a pretty good job in New Orleans…
(just putting those out there)
But back to my point… he needs to make a solid coaching hire. If he can get a good head coach and good draft, then of course we’ll love him. As of right now, it’s impossible to rate him since he was just hired.
Ideal situation in my mind:
Hire a good head coach
1 Draft Franchise QB
2 Get bigger linebackers who can do better against the run
3 Have the offensive line be good for once. (Correct me if i’m wrong, but wasn’t Jason Peters’ last year here the only year this decade where we have had solid line play?)
4 FOR THE LOVE OF GOD… A TIGHT END!!!! (We need one who is actually worthy of being called a starter on most teams)
5 Playoffs by the 2012 season. (I’d like next year or the year after, but future draft picks need to gel)
5b Get an offense that can actually keep the ball, so the defense wont get tired out and lose the game in the 4th quarter.
6 Remember when the Bills has the number 2 rush defense with Takeo Spikes, London Fletcher, a young Schobel, Sam Adams and Pat Williams? (also Lawyer Milloy, Troy Vincent, Nate Clements and Terrence McGee/ Antoine Winfield made up a nice secondary) Well… I remember that defense. It had some solid Free Agent signings and solid drafting. Wouldn’t it be nice to have that defense back?
I think it would be nice… you can also argue on that point (just dont go back to the Bruce Smith days)
He said everything I needed to hear.
Give the man a chance. He’s got as much of a pedigree as any of the other first time GM candidates that have been discussed on this site.
I am happy with the hire
I much prefer a guy with experience over an unproven rock star. I feel like the guy doesn’t need to prove anything and he knows exactly where to start. And like many of you have said, less chances of ego clashes. I must say the guy didn’t strike me as a mastermind but then again it’s football and basics are basics.
I know that Marty’s wife doesn’t want him coaching anymore but I think the chances of him coming out of retirement now have much improved. It does sound like he would prefer an experienced coach over promoting an un-proven coordinator.
I loved it when he started his press conference talking about the incredible rash of injuries that have struck this team in recent years and that it really was not normal and needed to be addressed. I never accepted the excuse that we simply were unlucky, I am happy that it seems to be high on his priority list.
When he spoke of Dielman, this is exactly what we need – a guy that understands football and potential. Like what we did with Peters, it’s important to have guys that understand talent and can recognize it when they see it and also understand that talent is developed and should continue to grow each year. three years of 7&9 and it always seemed like we were stuck in 2nd gear… I look forward to seeing what he can do!
Nothing left to say...
I much prefer a guy with experience over an unproven rock star.
So is he an unproven rockstar? He has never in his 70 years been a GM.
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by Jason from OH-IO on Dec 31, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
I just watched the press conference twice...................
…….. and I honestly like the guy. Old men do not pull punches nor care what anyone else thinks. Period. He will do what he thinks is right and fire anyone he does not like. Grumpy old men are not stupid.
I’m not worried about Brandon second guessing him. He won’t care what Brandon thinks and Ralph made it clear that he is the “football” guy.
I just hope his decisions are the right ones.
By the way, I love Ralph. He reminds me of my Pop-pop who passed on several years ago.
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 31, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions
can someone post a link to the press conferense i havent seen it
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by BRIANMULHALL on Dec 31, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions
Here it is.......
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by SERGEANT MAJOR THOR on Dec 31, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
My first reaction... WHO?
Heck, I didn’t even know that he was part of our team!But then I read the article and read up on the guy. All I really needed to know is that he helped build a winning team in the Chargers.
His expirience as assistant GM in San Diego will deffinatly help, and I think his age is a plus for when it comes to bringing in a top class coach. Coher and Schottenheimer have got to be in his sights.
Lets hope that we finally found the man that can turn the team around.
by CanadianBillsFan on Dec 31, 2009 7:25 PM EST reply actions
They damn well better hope Nix can turn it around, because this is the last GM-hire of Ralph’s life in all likelihood, and we’ll see if he goes down as a loser or a winner; to me he’s one of the worst owners in the league, because he still thinks at the age of 91 he should be making the decisions as far as HC is concerned. Of course, he shouldn’t and the fact that he has been as involved in this as he has worries me, because we all know his questionable to say the least ability to hire GM’s.
Here’s hoping Ralph keeps the hell of the football operation and let Buddy Nix make the calls and find the new HC.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Dec 31, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
You haven't lived long enough to have that opinion.
Unless your mother and father are still supporting you.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
what?
He brought it one good GM, then drove him out of town, and survived on scraps for the next few years. That was sandwiched in between 40 years of irrelevance.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
I’ll disagree. Buffalo went from Stew Barber, who drafted Jim Kelly to Terry Bledsoe, who drafted Bruce Smith and Andre Reed and then Polian was hired after Bradshaw could no longer handle the job. Polian was not driven out of town and I think it was a falling out on both sides. Polian has a terrible reputation for his ability to get along with people and didn’t last very long in Carolina. Butler was an obvious hire, but a good one. Butler was basically fired after he refused to accept a contract that made him one of the higher paid, but not the highest paid GM in football. Tom Donahoe was next and at the time, it looked like a great move. Then came the brutally bad Levy/Jauron decision. To me, that isn’t an abysmal track record at all.
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That's mediocrity, in my mind.
Maybe Barber etc. etc. weren’t bad GM’s per se, but I would counter with the team’s 353-394-8 record. When you factor in that they had a 4 year stretch of 49-15, that record looks a lot like 40 years of mediocrity to me.
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by JPH on Jan 1, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not sure why the great 4 year stretch is relevant. Why can we just toss out a part of Buffalo’s history? Couldn’t we flip that around and take out one of the awful 4 or 5 year stretches this team has had too?
I think that if you look at Buffalo’s GM hires individually, then it’s really not a bad list of moves by Wilson. Stew Barber probably wasn’t a good hire, but he didn’t last long. I think you’ve got to couple Bledsoe and Polian together because that’s how Polian came to Buffalo. Butler was obvious. Then the moves that didn’t work out with Donahoe and Jauron.
And not that you did this, but it bothers me when people call the Polian hire lucky while ignoring that the Donahoe hire was applauded by everybody in football as a great move and was a very unlucky hire.
I just can’t look back at Buffalo’s GM hires and come to the conclusion that Ralph Wilson is incapable of hiring the right guy (not that that’s what your saying). The Bills have a whole lot of mediocrity (and worse) in their history, but I don’t understand why that makes it so likely that it will continue.
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The Bills have a whole lot of mediocrity (and worse) in their history, but I don’t understand why that makes it so likely that it will continue.
My counter: the one constant in those 50 years has been Ralph making decisions. That’s why I see it as likely to continue.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Jan 1, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Just what we need
Great start! A solid football man with a background in Buffalo, just what we all have been crying for. Give the man a chance. Let’s see who we can land as HC, and lets get excited about Bills football again. After 10 long years I’m ready!
Alright Im watching the Presser with Nix and I have to say...........
They guy sounds real good…….and I probably jumped the gun a bit…..he talks like someone who knows what has to be done…..
I still think the coach he hires will say more about the guy than what he’s said during the presser………..
But Im not nearly as disappointed as I was when I first heard and read up on the guy.
But whatever Im with this team no matter what they do…………..(except if they ever move to Toronto.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Dec 31, 2009 8:36 PM EST reply actions
Teaching
Apparently DJ and Perry aren’t very good “teachers” or Nix wouldn’t have stressed that quality as someone he wants big-time in a coach (in addition to another main desire, he said: a man with head-coaching experience).
If true, I wonder how he knows this. Was he at practices? Has he talked to the players? Did he say this because he already has a great “teacher” in mind for the HC job? Hmmm…….guess we’ll have to wait for these answers, and a few more..
I, too, was impressed with the man this afternoon but, to give the other side, I haven’t been too impressed with Wilson’s hirings the last decade, either. Nix will have to prove Ralph didn’t blow it again. I wish ’ol Buddy the greatest success because we Bills fans are tired of losing.
Actually they are.
Apparently DJ and Perry aren’t very good "teachers"
Unfortunately the only thing they know how to teach is DBs.
As for teaching lineman, they didn’t have a clue.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 31, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
My dad asked a question on here that I havent seen a good answer to yet.
If this guy is such a great talent evaluator, how come he retired never having been a general manager? Also, how come his name never came up on here before today? I like his pedigree too, but it seems like we might be padding his credibility a bit when we say things like he’s considered an “elite talent evaluator.”
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
With all due respect to your dad and your dad only.
My answer is his age. More importantly, in his press conference he mentioned that he might not be considered the brightest candle on the shelf. BUT, When he goes to draft someone he wants to remember the smell on his breath. Tell that to your dad and I am sure he will understand that a PHD is no longer required.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
he wasn't always 70.
that doesn’t explain why he could be considered such a great evaluator and not get a shot at being GM for 40 years.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
Exactly
You have someone on your staff that has so much knowledge. Someone that has done nothing but surrounded himself with the “BEST” over the last sixteen years. Speaking of Bill Polian and San Diego’s FO but realize that he has certain deficiencies in communicating, but still contributes at a level that is second to not very many and you realize that you have a legitimate canidate right in front of you. What we are missin here is the significance of the Brandon promotion. This does have some relevance, but let not take away from Buddy’s day. This will work out fine and we will be good here, but it will need to be revisited soon, like in about 3 to 5 years. So pay close attention to his immediate changes and watch Brandon closely.
Is it really average talent or just poor coaching, how important is depth and experience.
sorry man, I didn't follow this part at all.
You have someone on your staff that has so much knowledge. Someone that has done nothing but surrounded himself with the "BEST" over the last sixteen years. Speaking of Bill Polian and San Diego’s FO but realize that he has certain deficiencies in communicating, but still contributes at a level that is second to not very many and you realize that you have a legitimate canidate right in front of you.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Jan 1, 2010 1:57 AM EST up reply actions
The simple answer is that he was a college coach until 17 years ago, when he shifted to the NFL and personnel. He started as a scout with the Bills in 1993 when he was 53 years old and learned his trade over the next seven years. He then went to San Diego with John Butler as Director of Player Personnel at age 60. That’s the next step up the ladder. He became an Assistant GM in 2002 — at which point he was 62. He served in that position for six years and then retired after a fall-out with the G.M., A. J. Smith.
Looking at that record it seems obvious why he hasn’t had the chance to become a GM until now. He is currently right at the point in his career when someone would make him a GM, but since he shifted to personnel management so late in life he happens to be 70. It’s a little unusual, but perfectly sensible if you consider the way things have developed for him.
If you want tro use age as an argument.
Bill Parcells is 1 year younger, if you would want Parcellls running theFO, you have no argument about age.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 1, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
except parcells isn't a gm
Ireland handles the day to day stuff.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Jan 1, 2010 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
that makes total sense.
that was the answer I was looking for.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
by JPH on Jan 1, 2010 1:55 AM EST up reply actions
He was forced out
Because egomanic AJ Smith didn’t agree with Nix that Schottenheimer should be coach,
that’s why.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 1, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Nix did not take his first front office position until 1993, when he was already 54 years old. That’s why he’s getting his first GM gig at the ripe age of 70.
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by Brian Galliford on Jan 1, 2010 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
right, that’s what macktruck said above.
that’s legitimate, I just hadn’t heard that yet.
Jonathan Stupar won the Heisman…while playing in the NFL!
This is a fair question.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 1, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Ok this is ment for everyone
I’m up for heated debates and converstation, but some of the comments on here are getting pretty bad. I`m thinking that a lot of ppl should calm down, or else we`ll start looking like Eagles`fans after they signed Vick!
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 1, 2010 1:14 AM EST reply actions
Are you speaking to me?
Because I think i have the right take on why Nix retired from SD.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Jan 1, 2010 1:17 AM EST up reply actions
It wasn't directed at anyone in particular.
I just think that theres heated conversation, and then theres ridiculous fighting. We’re still on the heated conversation type of things, and a lot of ppl have made very good points, on both sides of opinion, but we’re getting VERY close to actual insults and fighting, and I just don’t think that theres any need for that.
by CanadianBillsFan on Jan 1, 2010 1:42 AM EST up reply actions
I would like to be the first to say that Buddy Nix looks a lot like Richard Nixon!
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
This could be good. If Nixon's back from the dead, he might be able to help the Bills' franchise come back from the dead.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
by Dyl on Jan 1, 2010 3:37 AM EST up reply actions
Having digested things for a day, I think we did the best we could given Ralph’s our owner and Russ lead the “search” and protected his power base. In the words of Ralph—maybe we’ll get lucky. We’re certainly due some.
by radan on Jan 1, 2010 9:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Radan,
Maybe I should take solice in that… I guess I should have tempered my expectations.
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 1, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Bad process usually yields bad results
The announced process which gave rise to the Nix hire (we looked at some names and we didn’t know any of them) is as bad as it is unprofessional. This is management by cronyism, comfort and convenience. The GM position is one of the two most important positions, along with head coach. No professionally run organization would ever go about this important a decision in this manner. As a fan of 50 years I am never surprised when RW acts like an old fool. Nothing will change with the Bills’ approach so long as he is in control.
Oh yes, there was no more dysfunctional front office in football than the Smith – Marty Chargers (of which Mr. Nix was a part.)
by jpheff on Jan 1, 2010 11:05 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Couldn’t agree more and I’ve been with you for all 50. As I’ve said before—when you’ve run a business for 50 years and chosen had one good gm and a couple good coaches that speaks for itself. That’s why I’m saying we need to get lucky—and the odds are against us.
by radan on Jan 1, 2010 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you watch the press conference you will see both RW and Nix agree that the team needs luck. Wow. I’m a member of the board of two large public companies and I can assure you that luck is not an element in the strategic plans of either company.
Plays a role in any company’s success but not the sole one for sure.
by radan on Jan 1, 2010 11:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think in this case....Luck refers to the players you draft.
Nobody expects a Mike Williams or Ryan Leaf to bust. Nobody expects someone like Brady to become a top QB. You need some luck.
"The Bills have no playoff aspirations" – Dan Dierdorf
Well it's not like Nix hasn't been successful at his job
per encylopedia Wiki
Nix came to the San Diego Chargers with John Butler and A. J. Smith from the Buffalo Bills where the three were instrumental in building the Bills into NFL contention through the NFL Draft. Butler had died during the Chargers rebuilding years, Smith was promoted to General Manager, and Nix to Assistant General Manager and Director of Player Personnel.
Nix was employed by the Chargers from 1993 to 2000. Nix’s job with the Chargers was to oversee both pro and college scouting and to be one of the main decision makers in each NFL Draft. Nix was a major reason the Chargers turned around from a losing football team to a rebuilt, winning team. In 2004, three players Nix drafted were selected to the 2005 Pro Bowl. In 2005, six players Nix drafted were selected to the 2006 Pro Bowl. In 2006, eleven players Nix drafted were selected to the 2007 Pro Bowl. In 2007, eight players Nix drafted were selected to the 2008 Pro Bowl.
Nix is considered by some to be one of the top five talent evaluators in the NFL. The Chargers won four out of the last five AFC West titles with Nix as Assistant GM and Director of Player Personnel, in charge of college scouting and instrumental to the decision making process of their NFL drafts.
Mmmph rrgh prrmf! - someone with his mouth gagged
His PR person probably wrote that too! Seems kind of biased…
"You play to win the game, you don't play to just play it" - Herm Edwards
by Jason from OH-IO on Jan 1, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions

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