Van Pelt experiment is over!
Where is the Bills Creativity in their offense. It seems that they never throw any intermediate routes over the middle, don't use the tight end, no screens to the running backs out of the backfield, etc. It is either run Marshawn Lunch and Fred Jackson for 2-3 yards, with no holes there, or let's try a few long passes to Owens or Evans.
To do this day, I don't understand how they never could get Roscoe Parrish involved in the offense, especially with his quickness and speed. I am not saying he would be a Percy Harvin or Desean Jackson, but take a chance. What do they have to lose? And where is Josh Reed? They never use him anymore.
This team has many problems and they need an offensive coordinator and General Manager to come in and fix things, before they need a head coach.
What a despicable and shameful organization!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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I could not understand the lack of creativity last night
Where was the use of shawn nelson? he has great size and agility yet we don’t throw it to him once
Good teams this year have used their TE all over the place…See colts and chargers…van pelt must be fired now there must be someone on the staff we can promote to save money.
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AVP was the QB coach. I doubt he’s making more money compared than other guys on the Bills staff.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 4, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Well I was assuming we would not hire anyone else
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So then the only offensive coaches are the running game coordinator, OL and asst. OL, Quality control and Asst. Quality Control. I don’t think so. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 4, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
You cant use TE in routes if the other team is overload blitzing. Especially if Nelson is’t a good blocker (yet). The bills needed Evans, and Owens to get open. We were outplayed. I don’t think play calling is everything in the bills case, they need to execute. I would have liked to see a slip screen to the TE a few times to take advantage of the blitz. I think Nelson could sell that screen beautifully because he isnt that good of a blocker.
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by Rudy916 on Dec 4, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd.
Solid reply. You’re dead on. It’s not AVP. It’s Owens dropping two first downs on 3rd and long. It’s grossly inaccurate Fitzy being grossly inaccurate Fitzy.
If we had an O-line and QB, AVP could be hailed a genius, like Charlie Weis.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Dec 4, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
We’ve run several screens these past two weeks.
We run reverses frequently.
AVP set up a nice toss trap last night, though it was at the expense of his overall running game.
Don’t blame Van Pelt. He doesn’t have a ton to work with, insofar as the important positions go (QB, OL).
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Yeah this. They ran a bunch of screens last night. I think AVP’s doing an overlooked job. The offense still stinks but it’s more on execution than play calling.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 4, 2009 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
AVP’s doing a great job with the void in talent at his feet…literally: laying.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 4, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
I don't
I think Playcalling is horriffic.
The play calling to me seems to say a play action pass can’t work unless you get a long run, when in reality, it will always work on 3rd and 1, if you are 50/50 Run Pass on 3rd and 1
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 5, 2009 2:44 AM EST up reply actions
Well i don't think you can blame the players
What they were doing was obviously not working, so as coaches it’s their job to do something about it. Watching Fewell’s interview he was able to state what the Jets D was doing to us but not very clear on how they tried to change things around to combat it.
Obviously I do not completely blame the coaches because you are right they have little to work with now because all of the injuries to the O-line and the coaching moves that have been made, but I saw last night (especially in the second half) as a time to get creative and try to win that game at any cost…what did they have to lose?
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Ha. Yeah, you can most certainly blame the players. How can you not blame the players? They’re the dudes responsible for making the blocks and gaining the yardage, are they not?
I’m not saying the coaching was completely blameless, either.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 4, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
You can also blame the Coaches Brian.
They seem to think a play action pass can’t work if you haven’t got a big run.
It works in short yardage even if you haven’t got a big run.
I have played plenty of football on the Dline.
My Achilles heel was the play action pass in short yardage.
I would cheat by trying to play my run resposibilites.
Only to find a completed pass for a first down, because I played the run.
You can’t downgrade how effective the play action pass is in slowing down the pass rush.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 5, 2009 3:05 AM EST up reply actions
These used the play action pass all night on Thursday.
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 5, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
I gotta agree here...
If the coaches can see what the D is doing to stop our inital offensive attack plans then halftime adjustments need to be made. Why not throw a wrinkle into the mix. Run, Run, Pass, Punt hasnt worked for 10 years. Lets switch it up a little. Its the players fault too obviously for not executing, but if the Jets are taking that away then something needs to be switched.
How Nelson can go an entire game without being targeted (that I can remember) is beyond me. It seems like with out bad O-line he would be targeted more. Line him out wide. Try a seam route. Do Something.
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While I agree there has been something of a lack of creativity, I find it unbelievable that people are still calling this offense, “Run, Run, Pass, Punt.”
Fitzgerald was throwing constantly last night, he just was either missing his receivers or the line wasn’t giving him much time.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 4, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
until we start scoring on offense consistantly… i will consider this 10 years (and counting) of no playoffs as the run, run, pass, punt era. Majority of our games this decade have been under that catagory.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
The Bills called a run, run pass trio twice all night and had the long bomb to Evans on one of them and punted the other time. Not exactly a night of run, run, pass.
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like i said...
Majority of the games fall under that catagory. This has been our offense (for the most part) for the past 10 years.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
last night was a little different I guess. But still many 3 and outs is what im getting at.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
OK, that makes much more sense and is very, very true. Dick Jauron’s tenure has been the three and out offense.
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When was the last time you saw a halftime adjustment.
That made a difference?
For me, not since the glory days.
There's not a wide receiver who is fast enough, that J.P. Losman can't overthrow him on a fly pattern.
by The Buffalo Kid on Dec 5, 2009 2:55 AM EST up reply actions
haha i know it. Kind of like the saying in baseball when a pitchers throwing nothing but balls… “Lets mix in a strike now” Thats how I feel about buffalo and their ability to adjust the playcalling.
"I don't know how to explain it but we seem to find eachother on the ice and make things happen... Yeah. Pass, shoot, score... Yeah. Pass.. Shoot.. And score."
But AVP isn’t exactly helping the offense, either, with his lousy play-calling. Another dispickable hire by clueless Jauron.
by BillsfanfromDenmark on Dec 6, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
LOL. Despicable? That might be taking it a few notches too far
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 6, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions
Dispickable
might just imply he shouldn’t have been picked?
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by MattRichWarren on Dec 7, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Should have run Lynch more in the second half… he clearly had the hot legs last night and needed the rock more
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yeah…. that was the most puzzling to me… that run for the TD was beastly, and they could have used a lot more of that. He might have only touch the ball three more times in the 2nd… not good strategy
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Agree
The run leading up to the beastly TD run was also pretty brute like…definitely needed more touches…
Fewell was supposed to use the "hot hand"
Yet he kept going back to Freddie, who clearly wasn’t having his best night. Marshawn dominated 1 drive, then played sparringly thereafter.
Was it just me, or did Marshawn finally look fast last night? He’s looked slow and bogged down all season, but last night, he looked quick for once.
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definately
Lynch had that quick burst thats been lacking all year. And youre right… he DOMINATED that drive. And we scored a TD. SO WHY THE HELL DID WE GET AWAY FROM HIM?!?!?!?!
So many questions for the decision makers at OBD…
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double agree. He was ready to play.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Dec 4, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
NO HE SUCKS TRADE HIM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I agree. completely, Lynch was his old self again last night, the few times he was able to find holes to hit as per usual.
Like I said, behind this O-Line Lynch doesn’t get many opportunities to employ his style but he had enough chances last night and I was pissed when he got nothing in 2nd.
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by UZ on Dec 4, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
Josh Reed was effectively taken out of the game last night...
because of Darrelle Revis. I noticed numerous occasions where he was covering Reed on 3rd down. That’s smart defense: put your best DB on your oppoenent’s best weapon for 3rd down. The only fault one can find is Fitzpatrick’s inability to notice that Owens wasn’t covered by Revis in those situations.
It was a bad night. It’s a bad team. It’s too hard to blame one person for any of the problems plaguing this organization.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 4, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions
It was a bad night. It’s a bad team. It’s too hard to blame one person for any of the problems plaguing this organization.
Very succinct…and very true.
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by thefourwinds on Dec 4, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
To do this day, I don’t understand how they never could get Roscoe Parrish involved in the offense, especially with his quickness and speed.
Could someone please tell me where all this love for Roscoe comes from? This guy has and had every chance to be a good player with 3 different coaches and at least 5 different offensive coordinators, and yet he has always failed to prove he is anything more then a punt return man and no WR in the NFL.
Yes, I know he has great speed and quickness, but so did Dante Hall when he was the human joystick in Kansas City, but he never showed he was much as a WR either. When are we going to stop claiming that a player failing to prove his worth as a pro football player is on the coaches head and not the players? How is it AVP’s fault that Roscoe isn’t a WR when Turk, or Steve Fairchild was OC?
I am not saying that the Bills have the best coaching staff in the league, far from it, but good players are good players regardless of coaches. Stop making excuses for Roscoe, his faults as a player are on him and him alone. He has had plenty of chances to prove himself and has failed consistently, that is his own fault.
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by sireric on Dec 4, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Thank you.
rec’d.
Parrish is not and never will be Welkeresque or D. Jackson for a handful of reasons.
1. He has bad hands.
2. He shies away from contact.
3. He cannot, for the life of him, run a solid consistent route.
4. He doesn’t find the soft spots in Zone coverage.
Welker outweighs Parrish by 30 pounds, hasn’t lost any of his quickness and never tries to duck a hit. D. Jackson is lightning quick and, here’s the main difference, has tremendous SPEED. Parrish does not have serious speed. He has great lateral quickness and stopping ability, but weak acceleration and little top end speed. Parrish will not be a great receiver, even in spite of the Bills.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Dec 4, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Roscoe Parrish now reminds me of an electric football guy come to life. He’s anything but electrifying, and it’s unfortunate.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Dec 4, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
HA!
Fantastic.
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by NeverendingOptimism on Dec 4, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
Probably from people that were suckered into buying his jersey when they drafted him and desperately want to hope they didn’t waste their money? :P
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by UZ on Dec 4, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
The play calling wasn’t too spectacular last night. There was one point when Fred got a nice gain on the ground, and then they ran the exact same play again the next play for a loss of one. They did something similar to this in week one. Fred swung to the outside, and Nelson was the lead blocker, then they went back to the same formation but instead of handing it off to Fred they threw it to Nelson who scored that great TD that you see in the RedZone commercial.
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AVP will certainly not last until next season as the Bills’ OC, but I think he’s done a commendable job this year considering the crap he’s had to deal with on the field in terms of execution.
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As well as getting the job a solid 10 days before the season started.
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by Brian Galliford on Dec 4, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I definitely feel bad for the guy because it’s not his fault he has bad players or the HC gave him the job when he was totally unprepared. He’s probably been one of the more dynamic OCs we’ve had in the past few years. It was just the wrong time. Give him a few years under a competent OC and we’ll see something interesting from him.
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I agree completely. I choose AVP over fairchild and turk in a heartbeat. And he didnt have an offseason to prepare. I think if he is allowed to stay, even as OC i think he can be a real asset. If there is one coach in the nfl that knows what will work offensively in buffalo it should be this guy. He’s seen enough of the weather and what works. As well he knows exactly who he is working with. I think given a year to prepare, he can turn the offense around.

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