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Buffalo Rumblings Authors Mock, Take Two

Continuing Authors Mock week here at Rumblings, next up is yours truly, sireric, with his second mock of the year and certainly not his last. This can be deemed "Sireric's pre free agency mock draft v2.0".  Here's how I'd pick for the Buffalo Bills were the draft to take place tomorrow...

Round 1: Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
The Bills NEED pass rush help, and  while I would prefer Orakpo, I simply think he will be gone come pick #11. Brown would be my second choice followed by B.J. Raji.  Brown brings speed and good skill to the position, where the Bills have hustlers.  Ryan Denney and Chris Kelsay are high motor guys who don't bring much to the table in terms of pass rushing skill; they make hustle plays. Aaron Schobel, at this point in his career, has lots of mileage and it's starting to show. The Bills need more youth and talent at the DE position and Brown brings both.

Round 2: William Moore, S, Missouri
Write this down; The Bills will pick at least one guy in the first three rounds that will have us all saying "Oh Man, why did they pick him?" (or various expletive-laden alternatives). Moore is a terrific athlete who was touted as a possible Top 20 pick, but after a poor performance at the Senior Bowl his stock has slipped a bit. The Bills get a Top 20 talent at pick 43.  Good value?  Yes.  Bigger needs?  Yes.  But Moore could turn out to be everything that Donte Whinter isn't when it comes to making plays.

Round 3: Eric Wood, C, Louisville
A pretty popular name for Bills fans who feel like they will miss out on Alex Mack. Wood is a tough player with the kind of nasty streak that you like to see. He does struggle sometimes with massive DTs, but he can work on that in the pros. He is a smart player and should win the starting center job out of camp.

Round 4: Daniel Holtzclaw, LB, Eastern Michigan
A very strong linebacker with excellent size, Holtzclaw is a tackling machine that can also bring the heat on the blitz. This may be a little late in the draft to expect to find a starter, but Holtzclaw might have as good of a chance to unseat Keith Ellison as any other linebacker left on the board in the fourth round.

Round 5: Bear Pascoe, TE, Fresno State
At 6'5" and 265 pounds, Pascoe has the frame to be a solid NFL tight end. He isn't in the Antonio Gates mold, but what he is is a good blocker who can catch the ball, which is more than we can say for Robert Royal. Pascoe could team with Derek Fine
and be a nice duo for Trent Edwards to find over the middle. Besides - his name is BEAR.  How cool is that?

Round 6: Rich Ohrnberger, G, Penn State
The Bills really need depth up the middle on the offensive line. Ohrnberger had a great senior year, qualifying as an All-Big Ten first-teamer and an AP All-America third-teamer. The Bills could go for another center here, but Ohrnberger would be a solid pick-up in the sixth round.

Round 7: Nader Abdallah, DT, Ohio State
The Bills have a hard time going an enitre draft and passing on any Buckeye; this year they grab one just in the nick of time. Abdallah has a huge frame at 6'5" and 310 pounds.  He has the bulk and ability to hold his own at the point of attack. He isn't going to be Warren Sapp, but with some luck and some coaching he won't be John McCargo either.

What's missing?
I would love to grab a late round QB to groom into a backup for if/when Trent gets hurt. (Of course, if the Bills had simply taken Josh Johnson like I suggested last year, they wouldn't need one this year.)  I would also have liked to add more O-Line depth,  as I think that the Bills should add two centers and a guard, and I also would have liked to grab a fullback. But without free agency, there were just too many needs to justify taking a fullback when one could probably be had as an undrafted free agent.

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Royal CAN catch

He just can’t keep hold of the ball once he’s made a reception.

Brian: DE Orakpo, C Wood, TE Casey, DT Hill, LB Robinson, FB Collins, S T. Moore
Sireric: DE Brown, S W. Moore, C Wood, LB Holtzclaw, TE Pascoe, G Ohrnberger, DT Abdallah

I think you’re both dreaming with your first round picks—particularly once Orakpo and Brown post terrific combine performances. I think I prefer Brian’s, mainly because I’d rather get TE help early than a S. Still, you both target one of the top Cs so I can’t help but like that.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He had two fumbles last year guys.

seriously

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He also only touched the ball 33 times. That translates into fumbling 6% of the time. By way of comparison, Lynch touched the ball 297 times. Lynch would have had to fumble 18 times to equal Royal’s percentages. Royal is a fumbler.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

great point

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 10, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

wowza.

Ron got me!

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it takes a man to admit when hes been had

I respect that acknowledgment. Of course, you’ve put many of us, myself included, in our places more than a few times yourself.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no problem bashing guys for what they've done

It’s when people bash guys for stuff they haven’t done that irks me. Perception is not always reality. Like when I saw Royal’s stats they weren’t that bad…. until you consider the few times he caught the ball.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We both could very well be dreaming with our first rounders but this mock is not only pre free agency but it is pre combine also so those guys haven’t yet posted those numbers. I basing this mock on what I currently know, not what I think might happen.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dang

I based mine on what I think might happen….but that’s okay since I didn’t like my own mock anyway.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably not worth losing any sleep over. Even trying to think what might be real, you’ll only come up with what might be real. I haven’t figured out yet what everyone gets out of these. I understand the needs list, that is concrete and evident. A mock draft prior to free agency? Not so much.

by syrbillsfan on Feb 10, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree Ron

I prefer Brian’s in principle. I like Orakpo but kinda doubt that he’ll be around. I like the idea of going with a center in round 2 and still have hope that Mack will be around, which might be slimmer now that Miami is in the market as well (as I predicted in early jan), remember Kaisertown?

As for the rest, I’d prefer Nelson to Casey but he might be there by the third round. And instead of Collins, I much prefer Quinn Johnson.

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by keysh67 on Feb 10, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not a bad mock eric

the only thing that doesnt sit right with me is banking again on a late round tight end to contribute. There is some great tight end talent in this draft and I think we have to make a move sooner than round 5. I even think you can get Casey from Brians mock in round 4 of yours.

I like your draft as is but substituting TE Casey for Holtzclaw in round 4 and OLB DeAndrew Levy or OLB Brian Toal for TE Pascoe in round 5.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 10, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’m not banking on a late round TE. I simply don’t think that a field stretching Antonio Gates like TE is the top priority. Heath Miller of the super bowl winning Steelers isn’t in that mold and I would call him an excellent TE. I think a guy like Pascoe and Fine could develop into a Miller type player. Solid blocker, good hands, can get open and make the tough catch when needed. That is the kind of TE I want, not some oversized WR who can’t block.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Antonio Gated – Undrafted Free agent

by syrbillsfan on Feb 10, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Point - Draft the Athlete

Casey, Coffman, Nelson, Beckum, Ingram are athletes who can make plays downfield and offer RAC ability.

Pascoe is another Mark Campbell clone – Pass

by freddyjj on Feb 10, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I realize I'm a huge homer

but I like the Ohrnberger pick. Shipley might be around at that point too if you’d rather grab another C there.

John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...

by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 10, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If we don’t get a LB in free agency your mock could very well happen. And I, too, have had a recurring nightmare that our beloved front office will stun us with yet another out of the blue, off the wall pick.
Right now it’s about 50-50 that either Brown or Orakpo will be there at #11. Depends on what Green Bay and SF do. If that happens and Maybin is there, and he comes in at around 250 at the combine, I’d take him at 11. At worst Maybin will probably go to Houston at #15, so he isn’t such a reach.
I just don’t see Wood lasting until the third. If we wait until then we might land Caldwell.
I have also liked Bear Pascoe. Not a field stretcher but solid. Big frame too. Interesting that he runs just as slow as Coffman, 4.85.
Overall a good mock. All this mocking makes me think how highly OBD rates the center position. How highly will OBD rate this year’s centers? Makes me nervous just thinking about it.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Feb 10, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You’ve got to think San Fran goes QB…unless they sign Jeff Garcia as a 1-2 season bandaid…

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia going back to San Fran??

really?

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

PFT says he's on his way out of Tampa Bay

Right now he’s just a guy looking for a starting gig. How many of those are available for a mid-30s QB?

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and he has played for two of them

San Fran and Detroit.

Maybe he ends up in Minnesota or back with the Bucs (though I doubt that, too).

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia thinks he’s done in Tampa Bay, that they’re ‘going in another direction’. Minny would be a possibility but San Fran has a chance to make some noise in the division. All of their front office folks have been replaced (owner, too?) since Garcia was there last.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

certainly new coach and OC

who knows. Maybe it could happen. I know some players have gone back to old teams (Kearse in Tenn.) but he left on bad terms I thought. Who knows man? I love the offseason.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Garcia not likely in SF

a report on TSN (canada’s equivilat of ESPN) a few weeks ago said the Buck Pierce (QB for the BC Lions in the CFL) has a tryout with the 49’ers and that their management is really big on the kid, so don’t be surprised if the niners go to the CFL again for their next QB.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 10, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Garcia’s done in TB too.
The thing that goes against us getting either Brown or Orakpo is the front office and coaching changes. KC might go DE too. So there are at least three teams that might go DE ahead of us. Ugh

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Feb 10, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is so true.
Write this down; The Bills will pick at least one guy in the first three rounds that will have us all saying “Oh Man, why did they pick him?”


So very true.

I’m not crazy about the two DEs that get tossed around here. I don’t know why yet. I know we need better play from the DE spot, but I really can’t say I’d be impressed with Brown or Orakpo.

Would Rashad Johnson qualify has a “what the %$^” pick as a FS in the second round instead of Moore?

Turns out, your Josh Johnson pick/demand/prayer may not have been such a bad idea at all last year. What round did TB take him in again?

I think Wood could last that long. If not, someone will. I imagine you may want to address this need through FA as well? Yes? No?

Really like the Holtzclaw pick here. I’d see him maybe going sooner though.

What’s not to like about a football player named “Bear?”

Quick question(s) – If you are drafting a DE high, and then a TE lower, who are you going to be getting rid of from the current roster, and how?

by krytime on Feb 10, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wait until you see my draft for a WTF pick….

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're a lightweight!

My entire draft is WTF!!!

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You’re right. I looked at your earlier….in your scenarios, I wouldn’t be happy with any of those 1st rounders…..

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

plural?????

1st rounders?

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

good catch

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 10, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kurupt gave it away. I’ve got a couple of versions, all of which are predicated on Brown, Orakpo, Raji, Curry, Maybin and Jenkins being off the board.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Basically worst case scenarios….

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Basically Buffalo Bills scenarios…

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes

of course

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Might be tomorrow. Johnny I hasn’t scheduled his mock yet…

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 10, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope not

I’m going to be out of town starting tomorrow afternoon and don’t think I can access Rumblings on my Crackberry. I won’t be able to respond when people read my draft, spew bile onto their monitors and then post witty and simultaneously biting comments. Saturday would be great as I’ll be home and trying to recover from the trip.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Move mine up if you want...

but change the “last but not least” quip. I thought I was last but Ron’s scheduled after me.

I am leaving Sunday for a trip so I won’t be around Sun-Tues to defend mine. :-)

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s what I’ll do. I’ll slide Matt’s to tomorrow, leave Ron’s as Saturday, and move Ron’s up to Friday in the event that I don’t hear from John.

Johnny I, donde estas?!

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 10, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

oooh I'm so nervous.

:-)

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and I took out the last but not least business

so you can just move it up to tomorrow now.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap. All those ahead of us? Then we take Jerry.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Feb 10, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Brown and Orakpo are gone at 11

I have no problem securing Mack and then taking DE Larry English or Michael Johnson in round 2

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 10, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Brown and Orakpo are gone

I would do Pettigrew (slide down into the middle of the first and pick up a 3rd), then Johnson or Jackson at DE in the 2nd, then Wood/Caldwell/Luigs in the 3rd, with a LB for the other 3rd.

by labill on Feb 10, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually that is the best scenario. trade down and depending on what spot we end up at, take either Pettigrew or Mack.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Feb 10, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

English and Johnson figure to be gone in the top 20.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WHAT??

really??? are you telling me that Maybin, Orakpo, Jackson, English, and Johnson are all top 20 picks? 6 DEs?

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 10, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybin and Brown will likely be tapped at OLBs in 3-4 defensive schemes. I go into it in my mock draft…

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ITs probably the closest to reality

None of these are ever right, even the first round. Not to mention the 6 rounds after that. Sorry about the day’s cynicism!

by syrbillsfan on Feb 10, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TB took Johnson in the 5th round.

I would love to sign a vet center, Jason Brown is my first choice, but if Wood isn’t there, I think there are centers that will be there that would be fine picks.

DE I could lose either Denney or Kelsay, both are below average DEs in my book. If the wanted to keep Denney because he did lead the team in sacks this year with a putrid 4, and does have a knack for blocking passes, I could see him staying but then Kelsay has to be cut. As for TE, I like both Fine and Schouman so I would be all for dumping Royal. I would cut him but if someone where willing to give me an Aaron Merz signed empty beer can I would take it in trade.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Write this down; The Bills will pick at least one guy in the first three rounds that will have us all saying "Oh Man, why did they pick him?"

They didn’t really do that last year but they gave us a double dose in the 4th with Fine and Corner.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree, but...

Turns out, I really ended up liking those two picks. I think I might be higher on the two of them than most folks around here. I expect a lot of imrovement from them this year.

by krytime on Feb 10, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Those picks aren’t popular on draft day, but that doesn’t mean that they turn out to be bad.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well

i don’t mind the Brown pick, but I would be super pissed if the first offensive skill player is not taken until round 5 and especially a slow, big, block first TE to bat. I’ll agree that Safety is the most underlooked position of need this off-season, but unless the value is Trent Edwards good, I don’t see it. I like Raji if he is there, and people may not like it by a LB at #11 is not out of the question

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Feb 10, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't take this the wrong way...

but this draft would depress me. All for Brown and Wood (but I don’t know if he makes it to us in Rd. 3), but everone else scares me. Fifth round TE? No FB? Nnnnnnnnooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 10, 2009 4:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Fullbacks can and often are found as undrafted free agents. I think that the Bills had a decent one last year until the military chose to call him back for duty. If I’m doing a mock minus free agency I’m skipping a FB and scouring the undrafted list looking for one.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thin they may have gotten a heads up from the military that that was going to happen, so they released him.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps

They probably would have anyways when McIntyre became available. They liked him because ofhis special teams ability. Although that Army dude would have been awesome plowing through the line.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he got hurt and then Uncle Sam nabbed him.

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by keuka121 on Feb 10, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't take this the wrong way.....

But where is yours? I’m not singling you out but critisim is fine as long as you offer what you see as viable alternatives, at least in my book.

If this draft would depress you (and again this is for anybody for whom that qualifies not just WhyBillsWhy) what would you change? and why?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have my FB coming off the board in the 7th round just because I think we need one.

But there are viable alternatives, especially in the parameters

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He suffered a minor injury in OTAs

and then when mini-camp came around he saw almost no action.

by twoeightnine on Feb 10, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My Evaluation of this Draft

1. Everette Brown is my #1 hopeful for the Bills. I think there is no way the Bills get him if they stay at pick 11. I would love to have Orakpo but i’m not sure he will last that long. Which would leave us with BJ Raji.

2. No friggin way the Bills take a safety here. Bills have Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott as starters next year. George Wilson and Ko Simpson are good backups. A safety in the 2nd round makes absolutely no sense. I’ve never even heard of William Moore. And if he didn’t play well in the senior bowl why would you expect him to do well in the pro’s? unless this guy runs a 4.3 and has a 40 inch verticle this pick is not warranted AT ALL.

3. Why everyone is obsessed with Eric Wood I have absolutely no idea. He’s not very big, he’s not very strong, he has trouble against big lineman, and the Bills have had success with late round lineman (Peters and Butler). Really, who gives a rats a$$ about Eric Wood! this is just amazing how everyone gets sucked into everything.

4. Daniel Holtzclaw is an inside linebacker. So why he would replace Keith Ellison I have absolutely no idea. Why would you think a 6’1 246 pound inside linebacker would replace keith ellison. Are you serious? The Bills are in need of an OLB not ILB.

5. Bear Pascoe.

he is is a good blocker who can catch the ball

.

Why on earth would you want the Bills to draft another one of these guys. We already have Fine and Schouman. There is no way they bring this guy in. He wouldn’t even make the roster.

6. This is not a bad pick. I actually like it.

7. First of all, Abdullah won’t be here. I am an Ohio State season ticket holder and I know this guy is not very good. I wouldn’t totally oppose this just because it’s the seventh round.

So basically the only picks I like the are first round pick and the 6th round pick.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And if he didn’t play well in the senior bowl why would you expect him to do well in the pro’s?

So because a guy had one bad game, the senoir bowl, a game that doesn’t mean anything, that means that he won’t make a good pro? Is that a serious comment or a joke? I’m really not sure.

Eric Wood would be a great value in the 3rd round, just because the Bills have had some luck with late rounders does that mean they should pass on good talent and cross their fingers and hope to get lucky again? So I guess I should ask, if the Bills have had so much luck drafting lineman late, when is the cut off? At what point is it exceptable to draft a lineman given their luck?

Daniel Holtzclaw is an inside linebacker. So why he would replace Keith Ellison I have absolutely no idea. Why would you think a 6’1 246 pound inside linebacker would replace keith ellison. Are you serious? The Bills are in need of an OLB not ILB.

I normally don’t pigeon hole linebackers, most have the ability to move around, and I believe that Holtzclaw could move to the outside if needed, he has the speed. Also if you want to get technical he could play the middle moving Poz outside thus replacing Ellison in a sense.

Why on earth would you want the Bills to draft another one of these guys. We already have Fine and Schouman. There is no way they bring this guy in. He wouldn’t even make the roster.

So who is making the roster over him then? I answered this above, I don’t feel that an oversized WR who can’t block like a Travis Beckum is the answer. I would rather a guy like Heath Miller of the Steelers and Pascoe is similar to Miller.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The last center prospect we took late in the draft was Duke Preston…

by pozzed51 on Feb 10, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is the best DE?

Everyone has a preference when it comes to the top DE. I can’t remember a draft where a major position had three interchangeable players. Some like Maybin (I personally think is too small, better as an OLB in a 3-4), some like Orakpo, and others like Brown. If i had to pick right now I’d prob go with Orakpo for his freakish ability but hopefully the combine gives more perspective on the two.

by LIBi on Feb 10, 2009 5:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My order:
I would say Orakpo, Brown, Maybin in that order. Of course it is early and that could change.

Also I agree about Maybin, to me he has Jamal Reynolds written all over him.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I read somewhere that scouts are questioning Maybin’s and Brown’s ability to stay healthy as a 4-3 DE and that the scouts are coming to see them more as rush LBs in a 3-4.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard that about Maybin...

I hadn’t seen that on Brown. INteresting

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rumors

It could be some rumors started by teams picking in the teens who hope to see Maybin and/or Brown slide to them.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I saw Chris Brown say it today at BB.com

he cites some football scout websites out there who have them both listed as OLBs in a 3-4.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve seen Michael Johnson listed as a potential 3-4 OLB too. I don’t think a 6’7" guy who should end up playing at like 275-280 lbs has any reason to be considered an OLB prospect.

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of ridiculous to say a guy might not stay healthy playing in a certain scheme. That’s totally unpredictable.

Robert Mathis is a 245 lbs and has only missed a handful of games in his career. Brown looks like he’ll be able to get up to 260 lbs, Maybin at least 250. Brown is 21 and Maybin 20, let’s let them grow into their bodies a little more, because that is what’s going to happen.

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, it could be a rumor spread by teams hoping that the guy in question slides to them.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably

I don’t see how it’s possible to predict injuries, especially for guys who have remained healthy in college….

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can kind of see it based on scheme vs size

How many 240#-250# DEs have long, relatively injury free, careers in a 4-3? I don’t know the answer to the question. My guess is that DEs in the 270#-290# range hold up a bit better over time but that’s just a guess.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Ayers too

I’m willing to guess that he works his way into the late 1st round. He really showed up in the Senior Bowl and I will (try to) keep a close eye on him at the combine. My ideal situation still involves the Bills trading back if Orapko, Raji and Brown are off the board and taking Ayers later in the round instead…

by BuffCrunch on Feb 10, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad he didn’t produce anything of note in college. Those players are not guys I would be drafting.

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sireric, your draft is #2 ...ha ha ha

1. Brown – You started out fine.
2. Moore – Your attempt at trying to logically predict illogical behavior by the Bills makes me laugh. You should substitute a Center (using your SS logic without the greater needs weakness) or DT. Not sure if it was you, but I remember being told our 2nd round pick should be a starter. Can Moore push Whitner this season?
3. Wood will never last this long. Might as well make it more realistic and put Luigs.
4 – 5 – I don’t know anything about them. I will take your word for it. Fills needs
6-7 – I disagree about the need for a FB and QB. There are two very good FBs in this draft, and we should try to get one of them. I would not be surprised to see the Bills promote Hammy to the backup role. We should be looking for someone with some raw talent.

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by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2009 8:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

two weeks ago Wood was a low 3rd rounder...

I have him in the third round of mine, too. His stock is soaring right now. The dust may or may not settle.

Hamdan will be on the roster but I hope we go out and get the veteran mentor type, not draft another young guy.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So do we all MRW, I think alot of interesting things will happen after the comp picks come out

We should end up with at least another 4th rounder and maybe a 5th this year. I’ll need to keep my eyes peeled as FA swings into action as thats when the NFL starts looking at those….

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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is it the end of March already????

Compensatory picks? sheesh. Who did we lose last offseason?

Lose: TE Michael Gaines, CB Jason Webster, S Jim Leonhard, S Coy Wire
Add: DT Spencer Johnson, OLB Kawika Mitchell,

I don’t see a 4th round compensatory in the cards brosef.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Leonhard was a starter by week 10 for the Ravens who went to the AFC Championship

Webster was a backup for the Patriots, which negates Johnson, and Mitchell matches Jim.

Coy wire was a starting LBer for the Falcons by the 8th week of the season and Gaines was a backup. This means we SHOULD get about a 4th and a 6th or 7th.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 10, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Leonhard undrafted?

If so, doesn’t that mean he doesn’t count at all in terms of compensatory picks?

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Round drafted doesn't count as far as comp picks go

Its based on playing time and value if I remember correctly, will need to dig through the CBA again soon to be sure, but I don’t think original drafting position matters.

As K points out though, if you cut a guy that will negate any comp pick, but like a UFA, if you non tender a RFA its the same rules for comp pick, a FA is a FA.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 11, 2009 3:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well the thing about compensatory picks...

they go based on the contract the free agents signed. Kawika Mitchel’s contract was probably worth more than Wire, Webster, and Leonard combined. I wouldn’t go getting my hopes up for a 4th round compensatory pick.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 11, 2009 8:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and

Sam Aiken. He actually got some PT as a WR too.

Coy Wire wouldn’t count, we cut him.

Josh Stamer would also be a FA lost.

And I’m not sure if Leonhard would count, he was an RFA that wasn’t tendered if I remember correctly….

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stamer never cought on anywhere if I remember

So we would get squat for him.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 11, 2009 3:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stamer signed with the Titans, actually, and is still on their roster.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 11, 2009 6:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt,

Didn’t Brian say many scouts have Wood rated higher/equal to Mack? If so, he will never make it to round 3. The Colts will make sure of that :-)

I agree we should bring in a vet FA QB, but we don’t know if the Bills feel Hammy is a better or worse option than someone like Batch. If the Bills do bring in a vet FA, that means Hammy can’t cut it, and the Bills should cut him.

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by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn’t Brian say many scouts have Wood rated higher/equal to Mack?

Yes but again, a lot can change between now and draft time.

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by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As you can now see on my mock, I have Wood in the third too

His name starting etting thrown around at about the time of the senior bowl. We’ll see what happens when the dust settles. Back then he was like the 4th or 5th highest rated center. Now many have him anywhere from number 2 to 5.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 11, 2009 8:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Safety is a need IMHO, maybe not a huge need, but if a guy like Moore is on the board I think the Bils would find it hard to pass him over. Also he could replace Scott, at 225 pounds Moore has very good size.

To me it is too early to say that a guy isn’t a 3rd rounder he is a 2nd rounder. The difference between the two is only 32 picks, that really isn’t a long way for a player to slide. With things like the combine and individual workouts still to come, I don’t think that saying Wood is a 3rd rounder is that crazy at all.

I never once said that the Bills didn’t need a FB or a back-up QB. If you recall I was saying that the Bills should take a QB last year. I just think that sans free agency (as this mock is) I would wait and sign a QB and a FB as an undrafted free agent.

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by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I never said you said we didn't need a FB or QB

My point was I put the need for a FB over the need for a SS, or the need for a developmental QB over the need for a 7th round DT. I agree FA will change all our mock drafts.

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by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

S

It’s pretty funny that last year i pointed out we needed another safety to take the spot of Ko Simpson, and many of you guys criticized me, but this year Donte and Simpson must go… yeah i’m tooting my own horn :)

my predictions this year: FA; OLB, QB, C. Draft: DE, DT,TE, S, FB, LB, G.

no reason to put names to positions, it’s pretty pointless after the 2nd round

by pastj12345 on Feb 10, 2009 9:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

DE

Has anyone seen Mike Mayock’s rankings of the top DE’s. He doesn’t even list Brown and Orakpo, he has them listed as OLB. I saw Chris Brown also dissing on Orakpo saying he doesn’t give it all on each play and needs breaks.

Does this have anyone rethinking their DE picks?

by south123 on Feb 10, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like Chris Brown, but I put very little weight behind his college scouting. i would trust Kiper, and McShay before I would listen to Brown.

I don’t know for certain but I would guess that Mayock simply feel that those to would make better OLBs in a 3-4 defense, that doesn’t mean that they can’t be effective DE in a 4-3 scheme.

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by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe not about draft spots but positions at least.
I like Chris Brown, but I put very little weight behind his college scouting. i would trust Kiper, and McShay before I would listen to Brown.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 11, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about the others

What are peoples opinion of the top two DE that Mayock does list, Tyson Jackson and Paul Kruger?

I think Mayock has one up on Kiper. Kiper had the Bills taking Malcom Kelly last year at 11. He didn’t come off the board until 51st.

by south123 on Feb 10, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mayock is one of the better guys out there, I’ll give him that.

Jackson is a big slow player, he would make a great 3-4 end. He isn’t a great pass rusher and some even think that he could be moved to DT in a 4-3. If I’m drafting a DE to be a pass rusher I’m not taking Jackson.

Kruger I know little about.

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by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kruger I know little about.

We already have his older brothers playing DE for us.

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you saying Kelsay butchers playing football just like Freddy does teenagers on Elm St.?

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by WABillsfan on Feb 11, 2009 3:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Written by Wes Craven while teaching at???

Give up?

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 11, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a special series of posts right there!

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by WABillsfan on Feb 11, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone had the Bills taking Kelly at 11. He fell out of favor when he made a fuss about his 40 time. I think they should just time these guys in the 40 with pads on. When do you ever see a player running in just spandex?

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