MY DREAM DRAFT

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 5:44 PM EST Comment 68 comments

I just want to let you know that I look at individual statistics and trends in the college football and how the player does in the pros. After doing all of that, these are the guys who I think could and will be stars (maybe not the 6th round pick).

Just so everyone knows:

1. I think Everette Brown and Brian Orakpo will go before the Bills

2. Aaron Maybin and Michael Johnson would take too long to develop to substantiate being first round picks.

3. I think Alex Mack will be a really good football player but I think the Bills are better suited taking BJ Raji.

4. I think BJ Raji is better than Peria Jerry because he's bigger. But I think Jerry will be a very good player.

So here's my dream draft:

1. DT BJ Raji. Boston College

Immediate Impact. Great size at 6'2'' 334. Very good production in college with 14 tackles for loss (3rd among DT's) and 7.5 sacks (2nd in the nation among DT's). Jumps out on tape. Good Senior Bowl. Brown and Orakpo will probably be gone because of good combines.

2. OLB Tyrone McKenzie. South Florida

Immediate impact. Great size at 6'2'' 244. 4.5 speed (estimated). Jumps out on tape. Very good production in college with 79 solo tackles (6th in nation among lb's) and 15 tackles for loss (8th in the nation among lb's)

3. DE Brandon Williams. Texas Tech.

Not so much of an immidete impact (possibly in a rotation). Tons of upside. He's coming out early as a junior. Great size with room to grow at 6'5'' 252 pounds. Has a 4.76 forty time (pretty fast). Very good production in college with 13.5 sacks (4th in nation) and 15.5 tackles for loss (36th in nation) his junior year. Very good on tape.

4. CB Joe Burnett. Central Florida

Dick Jauron loves corners. Burnett is the tenth best punt returner in the nation with an average of 14.54 yds a return clearly showing his has special skills. Had 4 int's this year and 6int's the year before (probably the best two year total in the nation). Decent size at 5' 11'' 185. Replacement for one of the corners we cut. Jumps out on tape.

5. SS Otis Wiley. Michigan State.

Good punt returner in college with 10.38 yards a return (36th in nation) which shows he has special skills. Over the past 2 years he has 8 ints (probably tops among safeties in the nation) two of which he took back for TD's. Honestly, I have not seen him on tape. Great size at 6'2'' 210 pounds. 78 tackles this year. Ko Simpson will be gone eventually.

6. QB Stephen McGee. Texas A&M.

Good size at 6'3'' 223 pounds. The Bills need another QB assuming they say goodbye to JP. Highly touted recrute in highschool. He has shown good pocket presense and the ability to not through too many int's (very few actually). Very good running QB who is pretty fast with 4.7 speed. Running ability really jumps out on tape. Has the arm to make all the throws.

7. WR Sammie Stroughter. Oregon State.

This guy is a flat out playmaker and should be drafted earlier. 5'10'' 182 pounds. Roscoe Parrish type of player. Great punt returner as shown by his 15.67 yds a return and 3 tds his sophomore year. Has shown the ability to catch the ball and run with it on offense. In 2006 he had 92 yds a game as a receiver with 17.47 yards a catch. Basically, a better/cheaper version of Roscoe Parrish. Desean Jackson type of player.

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Sammie Stroughter would be great!

I’m from Oregon, and Stroughter is a total stud. He would be a steal in round 7. We need some OL help, which is missing here. I think a veteran free agent QB would be a better idea than using a draft pick.

by o.c.blazerfan on Feb 10, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I feel Stroughter would also be a steal in round 7. We do need OL helpe but I simply don’t know how to evaluate offensive lineman unless I watch tape. There are not really many stats for offensive lineman.

I think a veteran QB would be a good idea. I just want the Bills to kind of groom someone considering Trent’s injury history.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Like the first two guys - not sure McKenzie is Rd 2 material though

You must be assuming we sign a FA Center and that we go in the lab and create a TE because there are none in FA.

The lack of a C, TE, and FB makes ne score your draft a C based on missing ingredients.

by freddyjj on Feb 10, 2009 6:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

TE, C, and FB

Tight End: Stick with Derek Fine (very good blocker and developing receiver). Schouman and Royal are good backups.

C: If we re-sign jason whittle, develop demetrious bell, re-sign kirk chambers, and maybe one other free agent I think we should be ok.

FB: I don’t support drafting a fullback. To me, that is just a waste of a pick.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

would you sign a vet FB in free agecny like Lorenzo Neal, Tony Richardson or Terrelle Smith? Or would you try and find an undrafted FB considering that Conredge Collins, Brannon Sutherland, Zeek Zacharie or whoever you like after Quinn Johnson and Tony Fiametta are very possibly going to go undrafted? Or do you just stick with a Corey McIntyre type who plays special teams well and just use a FB in the offense as little as possible?

Also, Kirk Chambers and Demetrius Bell can’t play center. Are you really comfortable with Duke Preston starting and Jason Whittle being the only other player on the roster capable of filling in there? If you like Duke Preston then that is your prerogative, but if we are going to go in that direction we should at least draft someone late or sign a better free agent than Whittle. We have to at least have someone who can push Preston and provide a solid plan B and Jason Whittle simply cannot be that guy.

by kaisertown on Feb 10, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you really comfortable with Duke Preston starting and Jason Whittle being the only other player on the roster capable of filling in there?

Preston starting yes. Whittle the only backup No. Can we keep Fowler?

I just don’t really think a fullback is going to work. It didn’t even seem like the Bills used on that much last season. I mean how many times did you actually see Barnes in (before he got cut) or the other guy?

We have to at least have someone who can push Preston and provide a solid plan B and Jason Whittle simply cannot be that guy.

I agree with you here. I think we can get a guy in FA rather than the draft. We need IMMIDIETE help at our interior depth. I don’t think a late round pick gets that done. Veteran guard or center would be nice.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Can we keep Fowler?

So as bad as the Bills center play has been the last 2 years you want to make it three with those two guys again? I would rather sign an undrafted free agent scub who at least could get better then have one more year of the Puke and Flower show.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I like to call them Foul and Fowler

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by Joe P. on Feb 10, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So…..no help for the offense at all? No center? No pass catching TE? No FB? Keep in mind that Buffalo didn’t lose games because the Bills couldn’t keep people off the scoreboard but rather because Buffalo’s offense couldn’t generate (m)any points.

Also, I don’t think Raji makes it out of the top 10.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 6:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ron - he has a QB and a WR

plus I know BB90 thinks Preston and Royal are fine.

Just sayin’.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you!

I’m a Duke Preston supporter, not really a Royal supporter though. I think a Fine, Royal, and Schoman mix will be good enough though.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What makes you think that?

Fine, Royal and Schouman didn’t get it done in 2008. Preston and Fowler have each been deemed to not be starting offensive linemen by the Buffalo Bills. What makes you think next year will be any different?

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Preston and Fowler have each been deemed to not be starting offensive linemen by the Buffalo Bills.

I don’t know where you got this from. Duke Preston started the second part of the season for the Bills.

Fine, Royal and Schouman didn’t get it done in 2008.

hahahaha. Who exactly got it done in 2008? Lee Evans didn’t “get it done” should we get rid of him. The offense as a whole wasn’t very good, even Marshawn Lynch. I don’t think the tight ends played particularly poorly. They were mediocre pass catchers and maybe above average blockers as a unit.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know where you got this from. Duke Preston started the second part of the season for the Bills.

Because he had to. You actually think they were impressed by his play? He wasn’t even mediocre, and that’s being nice.

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He did do a good job of starting a fight to rob the Bills fo a field goal chance. other than that he didn’t do anything note other then beat out Fowler.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Duke Preston was the starting guard for the Bills in the last half of 2006. He lost his job to Brad Butler on the strength of exactly one preseason performance by Butler. Preston was therefore deemed to be something less than a starting quality lineman by the Bills.

Melvin Fowler was the long term starting center until he was injured in 2008. He was healthy but not the starter for the last 6-8 games of the season. Fowler was therefore deemed to be something less than a starting quality lineman by the Bills.

We’re talking the Bills here, not the Giants or some other team with 5 solid-to-great linemen. Preston and Fowler have each been demoted due to ineptness. Those are simply facts. You don’t have to like that but chanting, “Preston and Fowler are fine” over and over doesn’t make it so.

Gonzales, Witten, Daniels, Cooley, Calrk, Miller, Gates, Scheffler and Carlson all had more yards than all Buffalo TEs combined and not all of those guys are what you’d call elite. Shioncoe, had 2 yards less than Buffalo’s TEs combined. The TEs weren’t an outlet for Edwards. Royal has been a disappointment. Fine is a very good blocker but hasn’t shown that he’s a viable receiving threat. Schouman is a good blocker who also hasn’t shown that he’s a viable receiving threat. As with linemen, simply saying they’re good enough doesn’t make it so.

Evans, by the way, was the 19th leading receiver in the league. That’s not bad for a guy playing with a QB who prefers to dump the ball off to his outlet receivers…like the TEs, if he had one who was a proven pass catcher.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs

Good response Ron

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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Very good response Ron...

I especially like your Lee Evans argument. Good stuff.

Plus your TE stats make my heart smile. I like stats.

And I really hope Fine developes into that outlet/short yardage receiving threat. He’ll never be a seam stretcher or put pressure on the safety but he could become that safety valve.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 11, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the recs

I have high hopes for Fine. He’s a very good blocker who I’m hoping develops into a mid round gem. You’re right that he’ll never threaten a defense but he’s the kind of guy who might be able to move the chains. Plus, how many DBs want to come tackle a guy who feels right at home mixing it up with DEs?

by Ron From NM on Feb 11, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No, it's not a good response

Evans, by the way, was the 19th leading receiver in the league. That’s not bad for a guy playing with a QB who prefers to dump the ball off to his outlet receivers

he doesn’t get payed like the 19th best receiver in the league… Ron, all you are doing is giving Evans a break because you like him. I think Evans is good, i’m merely saying you can’t use statistics to dog our tight ends.You could uses statistics to dog just about everyone on the team!

Gonzales, Witten, Daniels, Cooley, Calrk, Miller, Gates, Scheffler and Carlson all had more yards than all Buffalo TEs combined and not all of those guys are what you’d call elite.

Those are probably the most elite tight ends in the league! You are trying to make it sound like they are not….but they are! I didn’t say our tight ends were elite, I said together they are average but not bad. What a terrible argument. You compare our tight ends to the most elite tight ends in the league to try to say they suck.

And for the lineman. First of all Brad Butler is really good. Duke Preston was playing pretty well at the end of the season I don’t really care what you say. I watched him, i’ve seen him on tape, he’s pretty good. You are just claiming that he’s not good because he’s been moved around a couple of times. Well, he got better and now he’s starting.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 11, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Lee Evans contract was inflated this year...

His salary nosedives over the life of the contract and we had the cap room last year so we paid him a bigger chunk of salary last year. Sure he wasn’t the third best receiver in the league but he did a good job for this team. It’s not cause we like him.

Ron listed 9 of the top TEs in the league…. That’s almost a third. It doesn’t even include Kellen Winslow, Jr. He didn’t cherry-pick as you seem to be implying.

Please let me help you for a second. Ron spends his Buffalo Bills life watching the offensive linemen. He meticulously grades them with very good plays, good plays, bad plays, and killed plays. He doesn’t watch the highlights he watches every play and grades every lineman on every play. He is not a guy you want to question line play with. You will not win. It’s that simple. To say that “Brad Butler is really good” or you “don’t care” what he has to say about Duke Preston is short-sighted and naive. It has everything to do with him being moved around a couple times – into the backfield by the opposing nose tackle. BB90 if you’re going to take on Ron on OLine play, not even God can help you.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you’re going to take on Ron on OLine play, not even God can help you.

Awesome.

by kaisertown on Feb 12, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL!!!! Great line

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by Joe P. on Feb 12, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Elite TEs? Then fine, Visanthe Shiancoe had two less yards receiving than all the TEs on our team combined. Is he elite?

Daniel Graham, Billy Miller, David Martin and Desmond Clark, four backups had more yards than any of the TEs on our team.

by kaisertown on Feb 12, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was out of town

or I’d have replied sooner…

Evans produced in an offense that didn’t. Whether he’s overpaid is certainly up for debate (I think he is.) but he did put up some good numbers in a bad offense. Give the man his due.

You can make the case that Gonzales is an elite TE and Gates as well. Some might put Witten, Cooly and Clark a notch below elite. But Daniels? Miller? Scheffler? Carlson? Shiancoe? Come on! Admit it—you have to go to NFL.com to figure out what teams some of those guys play for. I can’t even remember them all…and I looked it up! Some fairly anonymous guys put up better numbers than all Buffalo TEs combined. That’s just got to say bad things about Buffalo’s TEs. And I really do like Fine.

Butler is a good guard, when he’s healthy. I’ve routinely called him a late round gem. All told, I think (off the top of my head) he’s missed 20ish games in his career. As much as I like his tenacity Buffalo does need to make sure they’ve got a Plan B in place if Butler’s injuries continue to pile up.

Preston’s is just a bad center and he was just a bad guard before that. I’ve still got the last two games to break down from 2008 but feel free go to back and check my posts through week 14. Buffalo really needs a new center and has for several years now. The front office has ignored the position, hoping that Fowler would somehow get better. OBD officially gave up that dream this season. Preston, who had been publicly called out by no less of an expert than Marv Levy after the 2006 season (and only weeks before he lost his starting guard job), was given every chance to win the starting job on a permanent basis. He didn’t do it.

by Ron From NM on Feb 13, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I never said I agreed with you on it.

Preston is not good enough. Royal fumbles too much. Both should be replaced.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 11, 2009 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Young Offense

I feel the Bills offense has enough pieces in place to be successful. They are young a need some time to develop and learn the system.

The defense I feel still needs at least 2 lineman and we need another OLB.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Youth???

Fowler isn’t exactly a young pup and neither is Royal. Preston has been around for a while. They can’t hide behind their inexperience. They’re just not starting quality players.

by Ron From NM on Feb 10, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yea sorry I wasn’t very specific. I’m talking about the QB (Edwards), WR (Johnson and Hardy), and TE (Derek Fine) positions specifically.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

???

Bills have Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott as starters next year. George Wilson and Ko Simpson are good backups.

So you make this statement on my mock draft but then you chose to ignore the glaring needs at Center, Fullback, and Tight end so you can take a safety in your mock draft? I understand that I had the Bills taking one in the second and you are taking one in the fifth, but if you are so sold on the Bills current safties that you would pass on a good talent like William Moore why would you then take one at all?

Tyrone McKenzie was a nomad in college, he attended 3 of them if I’m not mistaken, that does worry me a little, it shows a lack of commitment and maybe a little scatterbrained-ness. I would still take him as I think he is a good LB but I think the 2nd round is a little high.

Given the lack of pass rush this team has displayed do you honestly think that another developmental, situational pass rusher is the answer? Whats to say that guy isn’t already on the team, in the form of Chris Ellis?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Safety, McKenzie, and Ellis

Safety:

I had the Bills taking one in the second and you are taking one in the fifth

why would you then take one at all?

considering the money a second rounder makes, the player should either start or have tremendous upside. I don’t think William Moore would start for the Bills considering the play of Whitner and Scott. I also don’t think Moore has Tremendous upside because he has 4.49 speed (mediocre for safety) and isn’t an explosive athlete. Otis Wiley is a 5th round pick and would not be making lots of money so I do not expect him to start.

McKenzie: I’m sorry, but you underestimate this player. Look at his stats and game film.

Ellis: This guy just never had that much production in college. He has a good frame and good speed but he just never produced that much. I used to like ellis, but now i don’t.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This might all seem nit-picky, but whatever here it goes:

Second round picks barely make anything. If you were to spread out the signing bonus and salary money, then 2nd round picks make about 1 mil a season which is about as small a figure as you are going to find for players who actually recieve playing time.

Since when is 4.5 speed mediocre for a 225 safety? Tyrone McKenzie will probably weigh in about 10-15 pounds heavier than Moore does and I would be he runs at least a tenth of a second slower than Moore does. That is pretty comparable speed.

No production from Ellis? The guy beat 4 different LTs who are in the NFL or will get drafted for a sack last year. Eugene Monroe, Barry Richardson, Gosder Cherilus and Ciron Black. Good luck finding a defensive end in this year’s draft who did that.

by kaisertown on Feb 10, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Examples

John McCargo – 2006 2nd 1st round pick: 2008 cap hit $ 1,575,000 (No 2nd)
Poz – 2007 2nd round pick: 2008 cap hit $ 872,400
Hardy – 2008 2nd round pick: 2008 cap hit $ 711,000

The 2005 pick, roscoe parrish, is already on his second contract so it’s a bad example.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Lombardi says that second round draft picks are the most value because of the production many of those players give coupled with the low salaries they make.

by pozzed51 on Feb 10, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you sir.

by kaisertown on Feb 10, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Right now with no combine:

William Moore weighs 223 pounds with a 4.49 forty yard dash

Tyrone McKenzie weights 244 pounds with a 4.64 forty yard dash.

he runs at least a tenth of a second slower than Moore does. That is pretty comparable speed.

yea but McKenzie is a linebacker and Moore is a safety… so Moore SHOULD be faster just because of the nature of the position.

No production from Ellis?

He may have beat those tackles, but he wasn’t consistent throughout the whole season. he had 8.5 sacks and 9 tackles for loss. Those are medicore numbers. To give you a perspective, Everette Brown had 13.5 sacks and 21.5 tackles for loss. That’s 17.5 plays in the backfield for Ellis, and 35 plays in the backfield for Brown (twice as many). I’m not saying Ellis should be as good as Brown.

However, my guy Brandon Williams had 29 plays in the backfield this season and he’s only a junior.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn’t realize that McKenzie bulked up and Moore slimmed down for the senior bowl. I will say that those listed 40 times are under the premise that Moore weighs the 230 pounds that he played at this year and that McKenzie’s time is at the 235 he played at. I would bet that Moore blows McKenzie out of the water speed-wise and shows that he has better speed for his size than McKenzie does. All I was really trying to point out is that Moore has great speed for his size and doesn’t have speed that can be considered “mediocre for a safety” especially considering that I think McKenzie will run about a 4.7 forty which will lead to him having good, but not special speed for a 245 pound LB.

Well how do you define consistency? Ellis registered a sack in 7 different games, all of which were against decent or better competition. Brown had at least one sack in 6 games, including a pair of sacks against Chatanooga. Brown had 3 sacks against Virginia Tech and Clemson who are both breaking in first year starters at LT. So was Brown really more consistent than Ellis? I’m not trying to say that Ellis was a better college player than Brown or that Brown won’t be a better pro. All I am saying is that calling Ellis unproductive is just wrong.

Brandon Williams is a very intersting player. 4 of his sacks came against Eastern Washington, Nevada and UMass so we can basically throw them out the window. He beat Oklahoma (most likely Phil Loadholt) for a sack, but Loadholt always struggles with speed rushers. What makes Williams interesting to me is 2 sacks against Texas and another 2 sacks at Ole Miss when he spent all game lined up across from Michael Oher. I’m a big believer in Williams.

And sacks are counted as a tackle for a loss so you can’t just add them together.

by kaisertown on Feb 11, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not so sure that is true Kaiser. Where i get my stats (cfbstats.com) players have more sacks then tackles for loss.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 11, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I think you’re right

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 11, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

either way…does it really make a difference?

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- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 11, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It makes a difference when you say "total plays for a loss"

If you’re comparing oranges to oranges and using the same stats for each guy then it’s not a huge deal, just inaccurate. As long as you use the same system for Player X and Player Y the comparison isn’t invalid… just not complete.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So you don’t want Moore because you don’t see any upside in his 4.49 speed, but have no problem adding a guy that runs a 4.55? What’s the point in drafting a guy you don’t see as any more than a backup when you already have a number of backups at the position?

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, a second round player should get a considerable amount of PT consider the salary. I don’t think Moore would get PT.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If the Bills drafted Moore he would replace Scott as a starter, moving Scott to backup so he would get plenty of PT. Also would you keep 5 or 6 safeties, don’t forget Wendling.

As for stats and the college linebacker, well we will just agree to disagree. Look no further then the Tuesday Morning Bills Trivia. Liam Ezekiel finished his career with 489 tackles, that with only 89 as a freshman, that means he was averaging about an eye-popping 133 tackles a year for the rest of his college career. He went undrafted, spent 2 years as a backup for the Bills and is now an arena league player. Just because a guy puts up big numbers in college doesn’t mean he will make a good pro.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Just because a guy puts up big numbers in college doesn’t mean he will make a good pro.

This is correct. But I also think he looks good on tape. Agree to disagree and we’ll see how he does in the pros. Bryan Scott played very well last season, i’m not sure a rookie would replace him.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree to disagree and we’ll see how he does in the pros.

I never said that he wouldn’t be a good pro, just that college stats aren’t the end all when evaluating talent and that the 2nd round might be a little high for him.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t McGee used primarily as a running QB in college? I can’t stand Texas (the state), mainly because a lot of my good friends are from Texas and don’t shut up about it. And Dallas is in Texas. But didn’t McGee run a lot of options and such out of the option?

by pozzed51 on Feb 10, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

What are you saying, you don’t want to draft an Eric Crouch clone?

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 10, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, this one doesn’t have a Heisman. But otherwise, I can’t wait to track his CFL career…

by pozzed51 on Feb 10, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

zing to McGee!

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That is correct

Yea, I mentioned that he can run. I think a running backup qb can be an asset. Also at 6’3’’ 223 points he has a strong arm to make all the throws. He’s a very raw product, but then again he’s a 6th round pick.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Isn’t this entire blog meeting for a party in a few weeks to celebrate the release of JP Losman?

by pozzed51 on Feb 10, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry, JP’s impending free agency.

by pozzed51 on Feb 10, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There will certainly be fanposts.....

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

don't mess with the zohon

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

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by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Anybody wanta bet Raji goes before us?
Please, no more smurfs.

everything goes better with a BIG MACK

by keuka121 on Feb 10, 2009 7:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I have Raji going to the Pack.

so do a lot of other people.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

check out last week's authors mock draft It's from Feb 4

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 10, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And don’t rule out San Fran, or a handful of other teams for that matter too!

by kaisertown on Feb 10, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If the Bills take Brown or Orakpo in the 1st round, then I would want them to take DT Jarron Gilbert in the 3rd.

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by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Just for the record, if Brown, Orakpo, and Raji are gone I would want to draft Peria Jerry.

My first round order is this:

Brown, Orakpo, Raji, Jerry, Mack. Unless Aaron Curry is there then that just changes everything.

If curry is there we take him, and then maybe trade up for michael johnson.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

- Plato

by buffaloboy90 on Feb 10, 2009 8:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

What is this tape that these guys jump out on? Do you have access to all these teams game tapes, or are you just watching their highlights where they will obviously stand out?

Raji will be gone by the time we pick too. There’s a better chance one of those two DE’s fall than him, IMO.

Brandon Williams, like his production, but don’t want another project DE. We need an immediate impact and a guy that looks like a WR definitely needs some time first. If we were able to take him as a second DE in round 4 or so, I wouldn’t be opposed.

Replacement for one of the corners we cut.

Why are you cutting a corner? We only have 4 on the roster as it is. If you cut one of them (McGee, McKelvin, Youboty or Corner), you need to add two. And which of those 4 were you planning on cutting? This is just nutty.

You say a FB is a wasted pick, but have no problem adding a running QB and about 8 punt returners? I don’t get it.

I really like some of the players you picked, but in a combination it’s not so hot to me. You neglected our C, TE and FB holes, and keep the scrubs we have now isn’t going to cut it.

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 10:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

He probably meant Greer leaving or re-signing Greer to jettison McGee

correct me if I’m wrong BB90.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 11, 2009 8:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If this “dream” draft comes to fruition, do ya think we’ll have return men on the roster????

I've been feeling Buffalo ill.

by ChipShot on Feb 10, 2009 11:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ya know, I think I might like Brandon Williams more than I had originally thought. He seems like a potential good player in the NFL, though I don’t think he’s close to ready to be a full-time contributor right away though. If we could somehow get an impact player at DE elsewhere, he would be a great mid rounder.

I’m going to try to get more information about him and do a draft profile for him on here.

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 11, 2009 12:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Never Ever.................

would I draft like this. Raji IS a top 10 pick and Orakpo will be there at 11 and I am a HUGE fan.

Defense needs – DE, OLB, SS (Can we package Whitner and Mcgee in a trade??)

Offense needs – TE, C, possession WR

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 12, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Not sure i'd waste even a 7th on a WR of that stature.

Roscoe hasn’t worked out, and he’s the penultimate in this mold. Look at Devin Hester. Why teams continuously attempt to make these smurfs into Gargamel is beyond my comprehension.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 12, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wow, that was an awesome Smurf's tag man, haven't watched that show in years

So, it begs the question though, who is our Azreal?

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by WABillsfan on Feb 13, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs