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As a college student, I am well acquainted with the game of ultimate frisbee.  I play at both the club level in the summer, and the college level during the rest of the year.  Every Monday night, I play in an indoor league that is a mix of veteran club players, active college students, and a few random high schoolers in there as well.  I am not going to spend time defending the sport (yes, it is a sport),  but rather draw a parallel between the make up of the teams.

I find myself watching and analyzing all the players.  The old guys (30+ in ultimate age) know what they are doing, but don't have the athleticism to keep up with many of the younger players, so they have to use their knowledge to be effective.  The young high schoolers that were invited are very athletic, but very often do not have the knowledge of the game of the many other players.  The college players and the players right out of college tend to be the most effective.  They have the athleticism to take advantage of match ups, but the knowledge of how to use that athleticism.  The older guys still impart their wisdom since they do know the most, but the college players know enough to be more effective players.  There are however the college guys who think that their athleticism is enough to get them by, so they do not take the time to learn the game, and end up being ineffective players.  My team had a bunch of the latter players, and we got third out of fourth.  A number of my team mates played on another team with a good mix of the above, and ended up winning the league.


What does this have to do with football, and sports in general?  I believe that the most effective players are those players that have high athleticism, but a high enough football IQ to know how to develop that athleticism and to know they just can't get by on that athleticism.  For instance, DE need to work on moves to get by the O-linemen and learn the defensive scheme, not just think they will be able to run past them.  But a mix of savvy vets is needed to help those younger players develop.  With regards to the draft, I believe we need to look at those players that have the athleticism, especially in the higher rounds, but also have the drive.  Character is important, but athleticism is just as important.  I am not going to pretend that I know as much as most of you, because I continually am amazed at the analysis and football knowledge of the people on this site.  So maybe you guys figured this all out.  The more I read what I just wrote, I realize it is fairly common sense.

Oh, and there is one more group.  The old guys who never really knew that much, and are not really all that athletic, and are ineffective despite the effort they put forth.  So Chris Kelsey exists in my world as well...

Just another great fan opinion shared on the pages of BuffaloRumblings.com.

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and you are correct, it is common sense. We need great atheletes who are determined to learn the pro game and continuously improve and so does everyone else. Our problem is we have no one in the front office who can identify such people with any degree of accuracy. Let’s think defense for the moment. Over the last several years (since Bruce in his prime) has any opposing offense come up to the line of scrimmage and looked around thinking “where is player "x” and how are we going to defend against him on this play?" I don’t think so.
We will not get better until the front office can identify play making atheletes, desirous and capable of continuous improvement. Our front office team of Curly, Larry and Moe are just not good enough.

by jpheff on Feb 10, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions  

Im agree sorta.....

While great athleticism and a High IQ would be ideal for every position on the team thats just not always the case……I think certain positions fare better with high IQ’s and less athleticism than others (QB being one of them) meanwhile a RB is better suited being a very athletic player but doesnt have to be over smart I think…..same goes for WR……so I think it mainly just depends on the position.

12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.

by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 10, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

Players need some instincts too. Whitner seems to have pretty good athleticism, an above average level of football IQ, but no instincts whatsoever.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Feb 10, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

since you were talking in regards to the draft

I’ll offer a few thoughts on some of the players according to your criteria:

Brian Orakpo – I know Texas players get a bad rap for not working hard and lacking the drive to improve the technique behind their athleticism, something Kerry Collins, one of those too old but really wise frisbee guys you were talking about, took advantage of to hang on to a starting job. But I don’t think we should use that to overlook every player coming out of that school. I think Orakpo has the drive to be the best he can. I know it sounds silly but the fact that he is a workout warrior is very very encouraging. Based on my experiences of trying to balance work and still finding time to go to the gym, which I know means nothing because I am no athlete, I think Orakpo’s dedication to the gym demonstrates a tendency for discipline and a willingness to do work when you really don’t have to. This to me should translate well into a guy who wants to develop his pro technique to the best of his ability. We all know Kelsay is a workout warrior and that he is as hard of a worker as they come. Orakpo seems to possess that characteristic of Kelsay in addition to the fact that he is an athletic freak. Chris Brown says he takes plays off but to be honest with you, when I read that BB.com link that MRW put up I found that Brown’s assessment came across to me as a way for him to prepare the fans for the fact that Buffalo was once again going to look to draft “high character” guys who lack in the athletic department. As if he was saying the Bills aren’t going to go for a playmaker but don’t worry, he takes plays off. I don’t think Brown buys his own answer and I don’t either.

Clay Matthews – I’m surprised this name hasn;t come up more on these boards because there is a good chance this guy falls to pick #43 because his USC teammates are bigger names. To me Clay Matthews comes across as a great balance of smart, hard worker and playmaker. He hits big, can rush the passer with good pass rushing moves, and he plays special teams all out which is a sign he is a tough, hard working kid. I like this guy and if he’s there in the second and we got a center in free agency it would be really tough to pass on him.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 11, 2009 12:46 AM EST reply actions  

Re: Matthews

I agree. If we’re able to fill the Center void in FA, I’d be much more inclined to go after a guy like Matthews, but only if he’s a starter from day 1. Of course, in my mock draft coming up Thursday, I don’t go LB or C in round 2, so he’d be a possibility for me regardless of what we do in FA.

~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"

by Kurupt on Feb 11, 2009 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Kerry Collins

definitely qualifies as one of those older guys. Many offensive linemen also come to mind. I think we can have a pretty long conversation regarding who some of these players are, older players who have lost a step but are still able to stick around because of their technique and knowledge. I don’t mean to diminish these player’s qualities or their importance. I just don’t think ‘character’ should be the primary factor in our top draft pick, unless the guy has a rap sheet like Pacma…sorry, Adam Jones. As it has been mentioned multiple times, how many of the early 90’s Bills were model citizens. Didn’t it take Jim having Hunter (RIP) for him to finally calm down?

by pozzed51 on Feb 11, 2009 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh I wasn't

disagreeing with your point about not making character the primary factor, I agree with that. I was just pointing out how old Kerry Collins is haha.

Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.

by poz on Feb 11, 2009 2:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Clay Matthews????

Well you should go take a look at my mock posted just this morning.

Playing Eternal Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 11, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions  

USC 'backers

Does anyone feel that the USC LBs are probably overrated individually because they played on a team with so much talent? I mean if all three LBs are possible first rounders, should any of them be? Are they a product of a solid front four?

by syrbillsfan on Feb 11, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

USC recruits the top LBs every year from HS

So it’s a fair assumption that they will have some of the best LBs coing out in the draft every year.

Each CFB mega-school is know for something – Notre Dame has it’s TEs and QBs, USC has devensive LBs and DBs, Auburn is a RB school, etc.

Playing Eternal Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.

by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

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