Buffalo Rumblings Authors Mock, Take Four
Well, three are in the books, so here's your fourth Buffalo Rumblings Authors Mock of the week. With free agency not involved, it's tougher to predict what could or should happen, but I think I have put together a mock to blow some minds and scare some children.
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Round 1: Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
There's a good chance Brown will be gone by the time we pick, but I think there's a decent possibility of him being there for us. He would help fill our pass rush need better than any other player in the draft, in my opinion. I like Brown better than Brian Orakpo because of his wide array of pass rush moves, relentlessness and overall potential as a big-time NFL pass rusher. I won't rest until the pass rush is addressed properly. Brown would be a great start for us.
Round 2: Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers
Oh no I di'int! Really, I just wanted to shake things up a bit here, or something like that. I have my C and TE prospects coming up in the following rounds and feel we'll be able to fill those needs there. We really need another playmaker on offense, especially since I, for one, don't see that bright of a future for James Hardy. Britt is a more explosive big WR than Hardy could ever dream of being. He might not have top flight straight-line speed, but he's quicker and more elusive. Best of all, he's big and physical and does well after the catch. Plus, how can you argue 149 catches for over 2600 yards and 15 scores the past two seasons? He needs to work on consistency and concentration, but the talent and ability is more than oozing out of Britt. He's cocky; we need a little bit of that on offense. We've got to do more than one-trick pony Lee Evans and possession wideouts Josh Reed and Steve Johnson, and I think Britt has superstardom in his future. Let the debate and insults begin! (I would prefer a vet WR first, but since we don't have that available to us, I opt for adding a top talent at the position.)
Round 3: Eric Wood, C, Louisville
Obviously, we all want Alex Mack, but that isn't happening unless we move back into the first round. I would be all over him in round two if he were to be available with our pick, but I don't think it's likely. I don't think Wood is a top-45 prospect and it's very likely that he'll be around for our third pick. I like Wood's physicality, intelligence and experience. He does need to continue working on his strength and technique, but he's a nice all around center prospect and should be ready to start early on.
Round 4: Travis Beckum, TE, Wisconsin
Either Beckum or Cornelius Ingram with this pick. I believe the team will be going after a one-dimensional pass receiving TE, and would be better off waiting until the third or fourth rounds to do so. Beckum, coming off a broken leg in late October, will not only have to show scouts he's healthy, but will have to prove he has the skills to play TE. Beckum is as good as they come as a receiver at the position, but needs a ton of work blocking and bulking up a bit. He's smooth, fluid and has great hands, but he's just 235 pounds and coming off a major injury. I could see him moving up the boards quickly if he can prove he's 100% by the time the combine rolls around, but that seems unlikely just four months after breaking his leg. A healthy Beckum would really help the passing game, perhaps immediately.
Round 5: Phillip Hunt, DE, Houston
Honestly, I don't see how any OLB prospect after the first couple of rounds would beat out even Keith Ellison for a starting job. I believe free agency is the best way to address this position anyhow, and with Alvin Bowen John DiGiorgio returning from injury, how impactful will a fourth OLB be? I'd rather beef up the pass rush even more. A guy like Hunt can be a very useful draftee. He's a bit undersized at 6'1" and 260 pounds, but uses his lower center of gravity to gain great leverage in rushing the passer. He struggles a bit against the run, but that's not why I'm bringing him in. I'm bringing him in for those 24.5 sacks and 36.5 tackles for loss over the past two seasons. He's a guy with a nice burst and keeps improving. At worst, he can contribute on special teams, just like any OLB would here.
Round 6: Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman
Sorry Brian, the fourth round seems really high for this guy, but I do subscribe to your theory of adding a ginormous DT. He is VERY raw and may have a tough time making the jump from tiny Stillman, wherever that is. Hill didn't stand out at the East/West Shrine practices and has a lot to learn before really being a contributor at this level. In fact, he's probably only being drafted because of his size at this point. Tiny school players very rarely go higher in the draft, so I think there's a fine chance of him being available in the later rounds. If he was drafted by now, I'd look to DT Myron Pryor of Kentucky later on, a very talented player who was slowed some by injuries.
Round 7: Brannan Southerland, FB, Georgia
I really don't like drafting fullbacks much higher than the sixth or seventh round. With Quinn Johnson and Tony Fiammetta likely taken just prior to this pick, the Bills should opt for another of the top fullbacks available this year. Southerland is just as good as the other two, but is flying under the radar a bit. He's as good a lead blocker as there is this year and if we do draft a FB, I'm hoping it's one of these three in the seventh round.
Some potential undrafted free agents I'd look to add: Nate Ness FS Arizona, Victor Butler DE/OLB Oregon St, Keegan Herring RB Arizona State, Don Carey CB Norfolk St
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If Brown, Orakpo, Curry and I suppose Raji and Maybin were all gone by #11, I would hope the Bills would be working the phones feverishly trying to move down. I don't like any other potential #11 pick, so trading down and then selecting, say, Alex Mack in the 20's, and getting another second rounder would be ideal.
I have a feeling I'm going to get ripped for some of my picks (specifically Britt and Hunt), but I'm ready for it! We need to add talent at all of these positions, so don't be too hostile. I think we have to address OLB, OL depth, and backup QB at the bare minimum in free agency. I wish I could add a safety and veteran WR at that point too. Have at it!
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You really think Hunt will be available in the fifth? If he runs anything under a 4.75 at the Combine, he’ll be a third-rounder. He’s the type of guy that the Colts routinely snap up.
I highly doubt Sammie Lee Hill will last til round six, too. Maybe round four is too high, as you mentioned, but he’s got too much pre-draft pub already (it’s only February!) to last much longer. Unless he bombs in post-season workouts, I think he’s a fifth-rounder at the latest.
Agree with your thoughts on fullback, though I don’t mind taking one a round earlier. But anything before or during the fifth round would be too high, IMO.
I would tinkle myself with glee if the Bills ended up with Brown and Hunt on draft day.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 8:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen him projected no higher than the 5th now, and since there is no combine numbers to go on yet, that’s where I’ll keep him. I think he’s too big for the Colts….ha
Hill is a major project though, and didn’t exactly dominate at his small school. That’s why I’m not sure he goes much higher, if at all. What good is a 6’4" 325 lb player who just isn’t very good? We’ll see though, some team will probably take a flier.
I think you know how I’d react with Brown and Hunt (or another similar player). We need so much help as pass rush, I’d be rehauling the whole position.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question K, if Hunt were not there, who else would you look for there at DE?
I only know Hunt and Sidbury for the smaller school ranks of D1, who else do you think might fall that far? Could Sidbury, he like Hunt are pass rush only guys.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 12, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in the 5th
I hope for Hunt to be there, but apparently that’s a pipe dream.
Sidbury would work.
I’d consider taking a flier on Maurice Evans.
Maybe Will Davis of Illinois, or even teammate Derek Walker a little later on.
I’ll have to keep researching more. I don’t mind using a pick on a pass rush specialist. In fact, that’d be a wise move….the more pass rusher the merrier.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, Hunt in the fifth isn’t a “pipe dream”. I’m just saying he’s the type of player that usually goes higher than expected on draft day.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
finally
some sensical sense…..Take your DE if Brown is available, and then go get an offensive playmaker in round 2. Sure we drafted Hardy last year, but we need more horses in the stable on offense, and Britt is an interesting prospect. And if we added Beckum, a guy who if he can just prove he can get back to 100% health, then we will have done what we need to do to provide Trent some more weapons. Im all for taking the BEST PLAYER at 11, but come round 2, offensive playmaker has to be the position of choice.
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 12, 2009 9:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Im all for taking the BEST PLAYER at 11, but come round 2, offensive playmaker has to be the position of choice.
What if 11 is an offensive playmaker? ;)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you. We definitely need more than some block first TE like Pettigrew or Bear Pascoe (ziiiiing) on our offense. I doubt we do much about it, but we still are looking for a top flight WR. I’d absolutely love adding a talent like Britt, a potentail #1. After what I saw out of Hardy this year, I just don’t think he is capable of being anything more than a red zone guy. He looks like a guy who’s best served making an impact in certain situational areas. Basically, he’s Roscoe Parrish after sitting in radioactive goo for 5 minutes and growing10 sizes.
If we came away from draft day with two good pass rush options, a starting C, a potential #1 WR and a true receiving threat at TE, as well as depth at a few other spots, I’d be absolutely thrilled!!!
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want some oversized WR who can’t block like Coffman or Beckum to play TE either. If we wanted that we could have kept Teyo Johnson or Courtney Anderson. Guys like Tony Gonzalez or Chris Cooley or even Dallas Clark all have good size, CAN BLOCK and can catch the ball. Beckum doesn’t have the size to help block me much less a DE. What good is his catching ability if he gets Trent killed two plays later because he can’t help slow down Joey Porter?
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by sireric on Feb 12, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
We have blockers that aren’t that great of receivers, why not add a receiving option? Why can’t a guy like Beckum or Ingram add some muscle and weight? Both are around 240 I think.
I’m sick of adding these blocking TE"s that can’t do anything downfield. How about we add some athleticism to the position for once?
Why does a guy like Beckum have to slow down Joey Porter? If he’s in to block him or help block him, I think we have bigger problems (tackle)…
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
are you kidding?
He doesn’t have to block. Not every guy has to block on the wr/te corps. Plus, blocking is a teachable thing, and Beckum could become adequate given more strength and technique coaching….. bottom line is we need guys that can get flat out open and want the damn ball. Robert Royal can block, how’s that working out for us? So can Fine, Schouman, Josh Reed. We’re happy they can block but it don’t mean a damn thing when we are in the red zone, 3rd and 7 and need a big time play. Give me two pass-catchers this off-season, keep Royal/Fine for blocking, and let’s play
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 12, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love the idea of going with a slightly off the wall pick in the second, drawing the ire of the “we love Mack” crowd. I would give this a solid B, but I had to vote F for obvious reasons.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 12, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You bum!
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How could I not vote that way? You set me up.
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by sireric on Feb 12, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that option was pretty funny.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm beggining to think Mack won't make it past the mid-20's this draft, so taking a WR is actually pretty sensible
I can put up with Ellison for another season in this situation if all potential starting LBers are gone.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 12, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody's gonna trash him for taking Wood in the third????
Come one guys! I got blasted for it. WHere’s the ire?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well I took care of my end of the bargain with the “you really think he’ll be available then?” stuff.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for taking the brunt of that!
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Even Eric has him in the third but that’s what people commented on mine..
I think Wood in the third is a little too ideal Kurupt!
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood in the 3rd Matt???? are you nuts? that is way to optimistic.
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by sireric on Feb 12, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How could you be so stupid????
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 8:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K, I’m a big fan of this draft. While I haven’t done enough of my own draft homework to comment specifically where I see guys falling, I’m really starting to like Wood (wait, that doesn’t sound right) and I love the idea of taking another big WR in round 2 (assuming we can’t sign Toomer to a small 1 or 2 year deal – or perhaps even if we do). We have a young QB. In order to get a young QB to succeed, you need to surround him with weapons (or hand the ball of to Marshawn and Freddy 35 times a game – which I’m also okay with). I’m leaning a little more towards Orakpo in round 1, but in no way would I be disappointed with Brown either.
I disagree with Sireric on the TE issue. Without a doubt, it would be great to have a guy like Gonzalez or Cooley (I don’t really see Clark block much) because they contribute in the passing game and can still run block. But unless we’re taking a TE in round 1 or 2, I don’t see us getting a dual threat guy. Besides, we have TE’s that can run and pass block (Schouman and Fine). If we have to use three TE’s to match the versatility and production of one Gonzalez, I’m okay with that at this point. We have far too many holes for me to be that picky. Keep Schouman and/or Fine in on run plays and bring Beckum in on obvious pass plays. A lot of teams have a “blocking TE” and a “receiving TE.” I think we’ll be fine (oh puns).
by thatguy34 on Feb 12, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If you want a playmaker in the 2nd
why not draft Coffman (TE) in the 2nd? What are we going to do with the 5 early round-picked WRs (1st round and 4 2nd round WRs (yes, wasted, again)), while always only devoting a 7th rounder (Schomann) and two 4th rounders to the most needy position (forever)? I realize the draft round isn’t everything, but it is indicative of how much commitment (and waste) the Bills have placed over and over again. We need the 2nd round pick to be a top starter and we need a receiving TE. Having said that, I hear that Beckum is very good — but if he is that good, he will not go on the 4th round.
by labill on Feb 12, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Because Coffman isn’t a playmaker. He’s a very good possession receiver, but isn’t much of a threat to make a big play.
Well maybe we should finally hit on one of those high picks?
Beckum is good, but broke his leg in late October. That’ll be a major question mark teams have to be concerned about.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Coffman. A LOT. He’s got the best set of hands on any receiving prospect in this draft. He’s the type of player that Edwards would make great use of. He’s the type of tight end that can handle the soft underbellies of zone defenses (he knows how to get open), and he would open things up for Buffalo’s speedier receivers.
If I’m being honest, Coffman is the reason that I want the Bills to address center via free agency (other than I think it’s risky starting a rookie center). To me, Coffman is the ideal second-round pick for Buffalo.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coffman often lined up spread out wide like a receiver, he hasn’t spent much time lined-up on the line. He may not get the same release from the line and that may affect how well he is able to get open.
Just a thought, something to consider
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by sireric on Feb 12, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Considered. I still like him. :P
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 3:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
assuming we fill some needs in FA like we did last year i would not be at all disappointed with this draft
by billsnterps on Feb 12, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
that being said i would like to see us getting shawn nelson
by billsnterps on Feb 12, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yep, we’re aware. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sellouts.
kidding
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 12, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s nothing we did, friend.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're just that awesome I guess
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is MRW's draft optimistic and this one isn't?
K, you are a great writer and your stuff is one of the reasons why I continue to come back to this site….but….(wait for it)……I think this mock is incredibly improbable. There I said it.
First, Travis Beckum is not going to be there in round 4, no way. Beckum will slide to the 3rd round at the lowest and that is only because his broken leg made him miss most of 2008. I wouldn’t be surprised if a team gobbles up this highly talented receiving weapon at the end of round 2 or the beginning of round 3 but regardless I can almost guarantee that he won’t be there in round 4. Beckum runs a 4.6, is a fantastic route runner, has incredible quickness for a tight end, can make the red zone grabs despite his lack of height because he can jump really freaking high, and he has amazing hands. Blocking will not dissuade teams from taking this guy. I really like him and think he would have been a surefire mid second rounder if not for the injury. He won’t be there at pick #4. All of that said, Cornelius Ingram will be there so I think you should have gone with him. He’s another guy who could have gone earlier if he hadn’t miss so much time with an injury. Ingram can do all the things that Beckum can but is a bit worse of a blocker which should get people like Eric upset. But he is a great receiver.
Second, you say that Britt is more explosive and quicker than Hardy but that doesn’t mean he is explosive or quick. He is in fact neither and his hands are unreliable. Let’s think about this kid for a little while ok? He’s a big receiver who breaks tackles, can block, makes the big redzone grabs and was extremely statistically productive in college. He sounds JUST LIKE HARDY!!! You want to spend another second rounder on another Hardy? No thanks! If you have to go receiver in round 2 then go with one of the UNC receivers Hakeem Nicks or Brandon Tate. Go with Nicks if you want the possession, consistency type, go with Tate if you want the DeSean Jackson, big play type. Personally I think Tate is a freak and if you agree with Brian that its always good to draft athletes, then this is your guy.
I’m starting to think that all of you mockers, except Brian who took him in the second, are compensating for not getting Mack by convincing yourselves that Wood will be there in the third. If you want to wait to go center until third than prepare yourself to take Antoine Caldwell or Luigs because Mack, Wood, and Unger will all be gone in my opinion. At the rate Wood is climbing, and if Brian’s scouts are represenative of league wide opinion, he is going to be gone by mid 2nd, Mack by mid 1st to early 2nd, and Unger by late second, early 3rd.
I do like Southerland though, he is a good receiver and can pass block in addition to run block.
Ok, I’ve said my piece, I’m expecting return fire K, so don’t hold back.
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by poz on Feb 12, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How is MRW’s draft optimistic and this one isn’t?
I consider them equally unlikely.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimistic?
Of course! There’s no FA involved, so all we have is being optimistic.
Who says Beckum won’t be there in round 4? The guy broke his leg in late October and is still recovering. Assuming he doesn’t run at the combine or Pro Day, which he may I don’t know, how can anyone take him much higher? If he proves himself healthy, he’ll move up. Right now, when this mock was made, he has not proven full recovered and that’s why he’s a 4th rounder at this point. The talent is there, obviously, but the health questions remain. Once he clears those up, you can say he is a 2nd rounder, IMO. ANd I did consider Ingram there as I mentioned. He’s similar in that he’ll have to prove he’s healthy before moving up.
Britt looks pretty explosive to me. Not DeSean Jackson or Chris Johnson explosive, but strong and able to make big plays. Hardy doesn’t break tackles or use his body all that well, Britt does. And because they may have some similar attributes doesn’t mean Britt is going to turn out like Hardy. I just think Britt has a really bright future ahead of him if he can stay consistent because all the tools are there. He has a lot more speed than Hardy, I’ll say that. As for Nicks, he’s a solid player, and you can replace Britt with him if you like. I just happen to like Britt better. I don’t want Brandon Tate if we go WR in the first 3-4 rounds. What has he ever proven as a WR? He had like 46 catches in his entire college career. I don’t want a developmental WR, punt returner.
I’d be fine with Caldwell in round 3. Pure Centers don’t tend to fly off the boards, so I still expect Wood to be taken in the 3rd or so. Whether he lasts that long in the 3rd for us is a whole other story.
Remember poz, we did this based on no FA and where these guys current project in the draft process. Some of them will obviously move up once they showcase themselves to scouts, get measured and prove to be healthy.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true
you are right, it is early. I just want to clear up the notion that we can get a top 2 center in round 3. Its just not going to happen. Caldwell or Luigs? I like Caldwell better myself. I like that you want Beckum by the way, I just dont think he will be there in round 4, but nonetheless, most people seem to be ignoring him so its good to know someone else likes him. If we do really want a tight end, which “expert” mockers seem to think, I think Jared Cook may be the best one in the draft and could be had in the 2nd. He runs a 4.4 and has a 40 inch vertical! Another thing that worries me about Britt is that if you are taking him there you are essentially giving up on Hardy right? Another knock on Tate is his knee is busted.
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by poz on Feb 12, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the longest time he was rated 5th best center...
Mack & Luigis were battling it out one-two. Now all of the sudden it’s Wood. I keep saying wait for the combine and pro days and we’ll see where it shakes out.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not giving up on Hardy. But I also don’t think he’s going to be much more than a redzone threat type guy. Probably more than that, but not a consistently productive starter. I just want more good receivers. What’s wrong with having more than just Evans? Reed is probably gone after his contract runs out after the season, and Steve Johnson may end up nothing more than a rotational 3rd/4th WR. With Hardy such a question mark for this season, and beyond, I don’t see a problem in bringing in another WR, one with excellent talent. In the end, we’ll probably go with a Vet WR, which is ok if the team really believes in Hardy becoming a good starter, which I would guess they do.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I think there both crap ;)
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by sireric on Feb 12, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
haha
i like how the F option is sireric territory
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by poz on Feb 12, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
crap?
sheesh.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember that everyone killed me when I was talking about taking a QB last year, and subsequently put Josh Johnson in mine. How smart would that have been in hindsight? (well your hindsight, my foresight)
You have to draft outside the box with some picks and that isn’t popular, which is why I take a lot of crap.
I’ll cut you some slack Matt, for a newbie who claims not to know much about the draft, that was pretty good. K on the other hand gave it a good try with the Britt pick, but I still give him the F dropping him into sireric territory.
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by sireric on Feb 12, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So if you are smart for picking Josh Johnson in (which round?)
How smart will I look if Erik Ainge starts for the Jets who took him in round 5?
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by Joe P. on Feb 12, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did say Johnson in the 3rd, but that was an early mock.
Haven’t you heard Ratliff is the new Jets starter?
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, its gonna be Losman, because he put together such a good highlight tape this season!
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by WABillsfan on Feb 13, 2009 3:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't consider fumbling, getting intertcepted, and being sacked highlights!!!
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But wait, they did so great with Farve and he is known for interceptions and sacks!
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by WABillsfan on Feb 13, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So the F into your territory means you liked it then, right?
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course. You took 2 DEs how could I not like it.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally someone comes to my aide!
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i got your back!
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by poz on Feb 12, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K
I gave you a C, but not because I can’t see the logic in your picks.
1 – DE – Yes, reason have been beat to death.
2- WR – I don’t like WR with the 2nd pic this season. We have some many more pressing needs. If you are going to take a WR in FA, then this pick is a luxury pick. We have Evans, Reed, and Scubba Steve. Add a FA WR and Britt has little chance of playing this year. Would you cut Hardy next season if he doesn’t pan out? Now, if you plan to cut Hardy next year and Josh Reed will be two years older by the time Britt would most likely be able to start, then yes I see the long term value.
3. Center in the 3rd – If Wood is gone, then who is your backup?
4-7 – I am actually fine with the rest of them.
IMO, you and Brian are tied. I like Brown more than Oroidpo, but I don’t like WR at #2 and don’t see Wood lasting to the 3rd round. Miami, Philly, Steeler, Minny, and Cincy are all in the market for a center.
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by Joe P. on Feb 12, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well we don’t have a FA WR for these mocks, so I wanted to add a talented one in the draft. I doubt we actually pick one this year, but we definitely need more offense playmakers.
Caldwell
Personally, I want a starting Center in FA so we don’t HAVE to take a C in the first 3 rounds.
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Britt or Nicks
I like the second round choice of a WR but i was wondering why we would be taking Britt? Will Hakeem Nicks from NC be off the board by the time we pick in the second round?
by danntheman on Feb 12, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like Britt better. Nicks would be a good choice too.
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is kind of a waste of time without knowing who we get in free agency. I hope you’re doing a post-FA mock draft. That will be much more interesting to me.
But well done anyway.
by bruuuuce_02 on Feb 12, 2009 12:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We will be.
This is obviously nothing more than something to spark some discussion. FA will tell us a lot about what the draft may look like. Plus, what else are we going to talk about right now?
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like to think that these mocks will serve as reference material for folks who get too married to the idea of drafting one position or one player too early in the game. Ideally, a LOT will change after free agency, and it will definitely change after the Combine.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 12, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not doing a post f/a mock cause
Here it is…
Orakpo round 1
Mack round 2
Pettigrew round 3
Cushing round 4….
just kidding guys
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 12, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
with you bruucce, it is pointless to speculate who they will draft becuse of FA, now look at this there are three possible decent centers out on the market: Matt Birk, Jeff Saturday, Jason Brown. I look at this and say well if there are five teams in the market besides the Bills there will be 3 less teams looking to go center on draft day. As for WR choices who would be opposed to se the Bills adress this in the later rounds of the draft. The Bills have a solid reciving corp. Evans is a bonafied #1 and Reed proved last year that he can handle the #2 responibilites because any time Edwars needed a man well Reed was “jonny on the spot” and then the last three games of the season you began to see the emergence of Steve Johnson… I understand the want for better talent at the skill postions but as teams have proved in the past winning the game is done in trenches and i think that is where the Bills lost it last yr… let me hear what you think!
by danntheman on Feb 12, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Evans is a bonafied #1
Oh how I disagree with this one. I think he’s a #2/complimentary type WR. He’s definitely not a #1 because all he’s ever done consistently is the deep ball. I want to see more out of him before I can consider him that top level WR. Unfortunately, he’s paid like a top 5 WR in the league…
Reed proved last year that he can handle the #2 responibilites because any time Edwars needed a man well Reed was "jonny on the spot" and then the last three games of the season you began to see the emergence of Steve Johnson
Reed did his job last year, but it doesn’t mean we should keep him as our #2. He’s much better suited for the 3rd WR, slot role. I wish we could use him more in that role, but we don’t have anybody better for the #2 role. I hope Johnson continues to emerge, but he’s got a long ways to go before he’s a starting caliber WR. I know you didn’t say that, but I don’t think counting on him being one of our top 3 WR’s is the best way to go about things this offseason.
I understand the want for better talent at the skill postions but as teams have proved in the past winning the game is done in trenches and i think that is where the Bills lost it last yr
Agree with that. If I really had my way, I’d take our top rated DE available at 11 and trade a pick in 2010 with our 2nd to move back into the 1st to select Mack….
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do you have a link
to the draft pick values so we can look at potential trades back into round 1?
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by poz on Feb 12, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php
It’s different for each team though. But assuming we use this one, we could package our 2nd and 3rd to move into the late 20’s. I’m not sure how to value future draft picks though. Most people say a 1st rounder in 2010 would be worth a 2nd rounder this year, basically a round later. I don’t know if I agree.
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think we could trade our 2nd rounder and next years 2nd to move into the late teens? like pick 18? Or trade with the Eagles for their other first?
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by poz on Feb 12, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
Has to be next year’s 1st rounder, not 2nd.
As a reference, Carolina traded their 2008 2nd and 4th’s, and 2009 1st rounder to Philly for pick #19 last year.
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by Kurupt on Feb 12, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, part of that as well for pick value is how other teams think you will do
With a perpetual 7-9 team like we are, our #1 pick in 2010 would actually be quite valuable to any team who is a perpetual playoff team as it means they would either be top 10 or close to it.
In Carolina’s case last year in the draft, many teams felt they would make the playoffs, and so it cost them more to move up, than the Bills would (I think).
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by WABillsfan on Feb 12, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I look at this and say well if there are five teams in the market besides the Bills there will be 3 less teams looking to go center on draft day.
What about the teams that let them go? They’ll be looking for centers in the draft
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by poz on Feb 12, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is pointless to speculate
When your season is over in December, what else do you have to do????
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by Joe P. on Feb 12, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
As for Evans not being a #1 and only going for the deep ball he caught 4 passes for 40+ yards and caught 8 for 20+. He had over 1,000 yrds this year. And lets face how is he suppose to really get the ball when Edwards is getting blind side or knocked in the chin. As for the comment about teams letting go centers. There usualy a reason they let them go eathier it be contract or they have another man in place. And i understand this is buffalo we are very dedicated to our specualting what our teams will do… Think about the sabres and conolly… there in the middle of a playoff race and people wanna talk about him getting traded or what were gunna do when the season is over. We are a very smart fan base, unlike most sports areas; so we talk about what could or will happen, but all i ment by that was dont get your heart set on a pick becuz it could easily be a non-need area in three weeks.
by danntheman on Feb 12, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
*
he had 13 catches for 20+, just to fix that stat
by danntheman on Feb 12, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I gave you a B.......but WR with second round pick again????
uh……..I dont know.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 12, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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