Buffalo Rumblings Authors Mock, Take Five
by jri111 on Feb 13, 2009 8:00 AM EST
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This is the fifth installment of the Buffalo Rumblings Authors Mock draft series, pre-free agency edition. Although I did not plan my draft to work out this way, I apparently have a soft spot in my heart for the small schools (Rice, Wyoming and my personal favorite, Alcorn State). Perhaps to overcompensate for my love affair with these pint-size institutions, I chose to go big - "Texas big" - in round one for our Buffalo Bills:
Round 1: Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
In my pre-free agency top 11 mock, Brian Orakpo was the defensive end that fell to the Bills, therefore, for the sake of consistency, Orakpo will be my number one guy here. Unlike others however, I'm not sold on this pick. Truth be told, none of the top defensive ends have blown me away - at least not yet. With the Scouting Combine and pro days to come, there's still a lot of time to convince me otherwise. For now, it's the 6'4", 260-pound defensive end from (gulp) Texas. (If I thought B.J. Raji would be there at eleven, he'd be my pick, but I don't see how he gets past Green Bay. And just for the record, I wouldn't mind would love to see a trade down and the selection of Cal center Alex Mack.)
Round 2: Max Unger, C, Oregon
I don't know what's worse - not getting the guy you want the Bills to draft in real life or still not getting the guy you want in your own mock draft?! I would love to write in Alex Mack's name here, but I see him being snatched up by a smart team late in the first round (or very early in the second). I went back and forth between Unger and Eric Wood, but for now the 6'5", 300-pounder from Oregon gets the call.
Round 3: James Casey, TE, Rice
Let's face it, there are a lot of undersized tight ends in this year's draft. It appears that the Bills look for the "complete package" when selecting tight ends, but hey, this is my draft, and I'm all for a guy that is primarily a receiving threat. With that mindset, there has been no tight end more productive in 2008 than James Casey (111 receptions, 1329 yards, 13 TD). Again, he does not have ideal size (6'4" and 235 pounds), but if the guy can be more productive than Robert Royal and company, then I don't see a problem with a less-than-complete package TE.
Round 4: Devin Moore, RB, Wyoming
The 5-10, 190 pound Moore is the scat back I'm hoping Buffalo will find this off-season. He has potential sub-4.40 speed and production to go along with it (2008: 1301 yards/5.2 avg. and 2007: 965/4.9 avg). I originally had him projected as fifth-rounder for Buffalo, but an expected impressive 40-time at the combine (potentially low 4.3's) will increase his value - maybe even out of this spot. Oh - did I mention he returns kicks too. (As if the Bills need another one of those!)
Round 5: Maurice Evans, DE, Penn State
Maybe it's because I'm not sold on the first round defensive ends or maybe it's because I'm a Penn State homer, but I like the idea of Maurice Evans here. I think he has the potential to be the steal of the draft. The former Nittany Lion comes with some baggage (marijuana possession that made him miss three games in 2008), but his bad behavior didn't completely erase his successful 2007 campaign (12.5 sacks). Unfortunately it only got worst for Evans. After starting the 2008 season in Joe Paterno's dog house, he lost his starting job to red-shirt sophomore and now potential Top-10 pick Aaron Maybin. Funny how things happen. Prior to his arrest last year, it was Evans, not Maybin, projected to go in the first round this year. Buffalo could use all the pass-rush help it can get and a mid-round talent that has fallen out of favor, may be the way to go.
Round 6: Quinn Johnson, FB, LSU
The 6'1", 260-pound Johnson does one thing well - knock the snot out of people. This truck isn't known for handling the rock (14 career carries), but that's why Buffalo has the Lynch/Jackson/Moore(?!) trio. Johnson, a former linebacker, would be there to do the dirty work. Oh, and I love this guy's attitude!
Round 7: Lee Robinson, OLB, Alcorn State
Alright, I admit it, I picked him solely on his school's name (joking; well, somewhat). Robinson has the size (6'2", 243-pounds) and production (111 tackles, 10.5 TFL, 3 picks in 2008) to take a late round chance on.
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can't get my arms around
whether I like this draft or not. I am also not sold on the DE’s in this draft and actually am liking Brown more at this point. I don’t believe he’ll be there come our pick though.
While almost all draft picks have question marks, there seems to be to many question marks with some of these guys. can Unger step right in and play center at the next level, is James Casey a product of the pass happy Rice offense. Rd. 4 for a potential 3rd team RB? that to me is a luxury pick that OBD can’t afford to make. Maurice Evans seems to have some baggage. Johnson is a solid pick and I don’t know much about Robinson so I’d have to do some homework.
by gatornation on Feb 13, 2009 8:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Rd. 4 for a potential 3rd team RB? that to me is a luxury pick that OBD can’t afford to make.
Couldn’t agree more.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the Bills don’t need a 3rd or 4th running back.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactamundo!
Omon was given 6 chances to succeed last season. Not enough to label him inferior. I will be upset if they draft a RB in ANY round.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve had this debate before. I know that just because the Bills draft a RB that doesn’t mean that they have given up on Omon. They have kept 4 RBs before. I just don’t think that the Bills need to take a RB.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They need a true FB. One akin to that guy who played for ’Nola for years – the one with the bloodied forehead all the time.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But they don’t need a 3rd RB that does nothing more than get 2-3 yards per carry. Those guys are a dime a dozen. What they could really use is the quick, scat back type player to get maybe 5 touches a game. An Ahmad Bradshaw type player would be nice.
I don’t think 4th round is the place to go though. We can find a player to fill this role and be somewhat of a home run threat towards the end of the draft.
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or, better yet, in free agency. I’ve got my eye on Cleveland’s Jason Wright.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another redundant RB. Similar to Omon in that he’s a between the tackles runner. What’s the point?
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wright isn’t similar to Omon at all, and he isn’t a between-the-tackles runner. No, he’s not the scat back you covet, but I’m not pigeon-holing the need to just a speed guy. Wright’s got great hands, enough speed to hit the edge, is a solid pass protector, and is a very, very good special teams player, meaning that, you know, we can actually dress a third running back. He’s not the type of player you outlined, but he’s hardly “redundant”.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why you're the boss.
Inside info on Cleveland’s Jason Wright….
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Cleveland has their eye on him too.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure Cleveland and every other team in the league has an eye on their own free agents.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is talk that Lewis will be released though. If that happens, I see them retaining him as their primary back, until drafting someone else.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Possible. Wright’s just one example. Travis Minor is another.
I’m agreeing with K that a third RB would be nice, but it’s looooooooooooow on the priority list.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis Minor? I thought that guy was out of the league 3 years ago…
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. Well, I guess a veteran #3 RB just isn’t going to please you.
Obviously if you can get a Sproles or a Bradshaw, fantastic. But it’s unlikely, particularly with the ginormous list of needs we have. I’m just looking for cheap options that, due to their veteran status, won’t suck as much as a seventh-round pick.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What about Bruce Hall?
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly. But he couldn’t even beat out Omon.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, neither did Tennessee last year, but they saw an explosive player who they thought was a great value. Worked out fairly well. Same with Pittsburgh. We need to add playmakers to the offense, regardless of position. If Moore is that guy, then go for it.
by PozDispenser on Feb 13, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tennessee
had a fat, lazy #1 guy (Lendale White) and that was it. They released Chris Brown because he couldn’t stay healthy. The Bills have a vastly different makeup at running back.
Pittsburgh typically runs the ball a lot more then throwing. this year was different because of their line. Willie Parker was showing wear and tear so they took mendenhall.
by gatornation on Feb 13, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tennessee also drafted Chris Henry in the 2nd round the year before LenDale, a gaping hole at WR, and finished 5th in the league in rushing the year before.
Parker had missed 2 games in the three previous seasons, and they had just picked up Mewelde Moore in FA. I think my point still stands. We have to be willing to take a chance that may not seem obvious. A lot of very good teams stockpile players at key positions, and find themselves rewarded down the road.
by PozDispenser on Feb 13, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
all Tennessee did
by selecting Johnson is acknowledging they made a mistake by selecting a workout wonder in Henry.
Parker had always shared carries and is always listed on the injury report. the shelf life of RB’s is short.
the bottom line is neither of the above mentioned teams had/has the holes in their lineups that the Bills have. that is why taking a 3rd RB that early in the draft isn’t advisable at this point.
by gatornation on Feb 13, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Parker was only 27 and only had been in the league four years (and only 32 carries his first year).
Both the Steelers and the Titans had much bigger needs (O-line and WR respectively), but chose the best player on the board. The Bills did the same thing with Edwards.
by PozDispenser on Feb 13, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Titans averaged the 5th most rushing yards per game in 2007, but they did it by rushing the ball 34 times per game which was the most in the league. They only averaged 3.9 yards per carry which is a pretty dreadful number considering that Vince Young’s 90 carries propped up that number. RB was definitely a need heading into offseason for Tennessee.
by kaisertown on Feb 13, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Young averaged only 4.2 ypc, so I’d say that it was about accurate. Point is that they had a much more obvious, crying need at WR (all of them were on the board) and passed it up to take the best/most explosive player available.
by PozDispenser on Feb 13, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
JR, I love this draft!
I’d prefer Nelson in round 3 but I doubt he will still be there. I like your suggestion of a 3rd down guy in round 4 and you make a compelling argument for Evans. No doubt I like the Quinn Johnson choice as I’ve been lobying for him.
There is a part of me that is hoping that Orakpo is gone at #11 which I hope would entice OBD to trade down and get Mack. Then in round 2 I’d take Connor Barwin as DE/SLB prospect.
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by keysh67 on Feb 13, 2009 8:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why isn't Lynch/Jackson the third down guy?
They can both catch and pass block.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well he doesn’t necessarily have to be a 3rd down guy. Just a change of pace kind of guy – a little lightning if you will. It wouldn’t be a bad pick at all – I like the idea of having a extremely quick RB take some screens or even flank him out and do some things with him. just a change of pace from Lynch/Jackson – 3 headed monster
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hello?
Roscoe Parrish? He’s bigger than Darren Sproles!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hello - how are you?
doesn’t have the frame/size. i want a RB who is quick/fast but also has played the position and is strong. Roscoe isn’t strong at all
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see ANY need for a small, quick RB in this year’s draft. That’s taking too much away from other potential needs.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i completely understand and your right.
still want one though – thats really all there is too it.
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Turk needs to learn how to divirsify his current crop a bit more before they go investing in a new wrinkle. He started to at season’s end, with Freddie catching that long pass. Derek Ward, J.J. Arrington – those are guys I think the team should pursue if they feel the itch for a pace-changer.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Ward is not a change of pace guy. He’s a solid inside runner, with good receiving skills, but not a huge big play threat. He really reminds me of Fred Jackson.
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 13, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you're not sold yet
Don’t let a solid pro day or combine workout sway you. Those events frequently do make a break your draft order, but most teams use what they saw on the field if they can. How many times has a guy been a “Workout Warrior” (see Johnson, Rob, Losman, J.P.) that can’t get it done on the field. As far as the Bills at the combine, I imagine they use the interview portion to solidify their boards more than anything that gets done on the bench press.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 13, 2009 8:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think this one might be my favorite so far actually. I still go for Wood over Unger based on what I saw at the Senior Bowl, and I’m not sold on Orakpo yet, but its very solid. I also skeptical that Evans would fall to the 5th round, but if we got him there, he would be a steal. I’m very in favor of multiple DE picks this year.
by PozDispenser on Feb 13, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like this draft too
Love the FB in the late rounds, and while I need to know more about the first round DEs, I think getting two (another in the late rounds) is very smart, and also seems to be what OBD likes to do (WR, CB last year) so it is a good possibility.
As far as C, you never know who that franchise center is going to be, and many of the best have come in the middle rounds, so I am not sure Mack is the end all be all, and it looks there are a few candidates worth drafting.
TE, I wouldn’t mind a smaller guy, but it might not make sense. However, I would hope the Bills just draft the best player when it is their time, and don’t go “big” just because they want a big TE (like they did with WR last year)
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by killascript on Feb 13, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Those centers drafted in the middle rounds take time to develop and get on the field.
We don’t have that luxury in a pre-free agency mock. He had to take the center here.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I said middle
But, I should have made it clearer that i felt the Oregon C just might be an equal candidate worth drafting, just as the Louisville center maybe as well in Brian’s mock
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by killascript on Feb 13, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Most of us took Eric Wood in the mock.
Mack, Wood, and Unger could start day 1 but nobody wants them to.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do
Let a new center take his lumps and become a stud while Buffalo is still not a likely team to make it deep in the playoffs.
by Ron From NM on Feb 13, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ANd
Could it be any worse at the C position?
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by killascript on Feb 14, 2009 1:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Draft JR
I saw on Chris Brown’s blog yesterday that he said that Orakpo plays hard about 70% of the time and is a “one trick pony”. So I completely understand your hesitation or your lack of impressiveness of the first round DE’s.
I love the Moore pick – I’m with you – I want a scat back as well – change of pace. good call there
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Moore
this is the kind of pick I can get behind….get me 2 playmakers in this draft, and I don’t care if its another RB….everyone thinks we should be set at the position with Jackson/Lynch…but COME ON MAN! If one guy gets hurt we are screwed….Get me a change of pace back with some electric speed is what we need
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by MARVelous on Feb 13, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Let me ask
I noticed that both you and K have the Bills taking 2 DEs. If that were to play out, who would the personnel be come opening day?
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do you really have to ask who I’d cut?
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if the only time I see Kelsay’s face next season is on your avatar i’d be a happy camper. Oh – also playing for the Lions and taking their money instead of ours.
but i’d go with:
LDE – round 1 guy
RDE – Schobel
with round 5 DE/ellis/denney(if not cut) as backups.
5 DE’s too many to keep??
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We kept 5 this past year….
With Schobel and Denney up there in age, and 3 guys who’ve never really played at the level before, 5 DE’s would be a necessity.
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
then i’m good. 2 DE’s in the draft would be nice.
any expectations for Ellis? I never saw him in college and not sure what to expect to be honest.
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would have to be at the very least
Schobel and Denney at first
Ellis and new DE into the rotation
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no expectations for Ellis. Unless he improves a great deal this offseason, I don’t know what kind of impact he can have. He couldn’t even see spot duty last year when we had no pass rush, some injuries and Copeland Bryan on the team.
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that was my thought – too early to say bust – but he hasn’t done a whole heck of a lot at all
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed something else...
Who is our backup center this fall?
You have Ellison at starting OLB?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who is our backup center this fall?
Preston most likely – he’s not a starter – but serviceable backup for all interior positions.
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s only so much we can do with 7 picks.
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know. I played by the rules man!
No free agency. Oh well. I guess I can stop whining since nobody else seems to care. :-)
J2-I am a fan of keeping Preston on in that capactiy. I was trying to make a point that this mock was suppsoed to be sans re-signings and free agents.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh – well then i’d go with K’s answer
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
-I am a fan of keeping Preston on in that capacity.
Am I the only one that wants both of those slugs gone?
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want him gone, but he can fill in at C and G and is cheap!!!
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats pretty much the reason Joe – he’s cheap and serviceable and can backup all interior positions. thats why we call him a backup
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could play both Guard and center, and I would play for cheap. That doesn’t mean that anybody is going to give me a shot.
I’m sorry but Preston sand Fowler could share a cab ride to the airport IMO.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew I could count on your support buddy.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I don’t like how you dragged some slugs into it. Don’t sully the good slug name by involving Preston AND Fowler.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right.
I apologize to all slugs that were offended.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree with Joe sireric, you know I dislike Flower and Pukeston as much as you do
But Dukey boy would come alot cheaper than most G/C swing players and he knows our cough cough offense well. He can backup both spots and he won’t cost much, so I will hold my nose and resign him if need be.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 13, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather spend a 6th round pick on a guy who could do that.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why waste a 4th pick on a RB (again)?
We already have 2 RB (and why would we want anybody else taking time away from those guys), and we are going to draft/pick up a FB. The Bills can pick up the same (but more experienced) RB in FA for cheap. Do we really need to use another mid-rounder on a Wright or Omon every year? We could use another OL, DT, LB or S.
by labill on Feb 13, 2009 11:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
use another mid-rounder on a Wright or Omon every year
I think thats the point – is we don’t want guys like this – we want a fast super quick kind of guy with a little muscle that can play the position hard
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by J2 on Feb 13, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like this draft a lot
and agree with your lack of excitement about the top DEs. Unger is not my favorite C,although I really don’t have a good reason why. I think I read he is a “jack of all trades, but master of none”. I am warming to Wood in the second round, but a FA C pickup would have me gamble on taking Luigs in the 3rd. Put a DT in round 4 instead of your scat back and you get an A. IMO the rankings so far are:
1 – jri111
2 – Brain and K tied
3 – sireric
4 – Matt
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 12:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha, “Brain”.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dam it!!!!!! I have not done that for at least a month!!!!!
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian maybe you should go back to that Krang you were using early on as your avatar. Then it wouldn’t be so weird when people called you Brain.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why I had it in the first place! :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
at least I’m not last.
Thanks Matt!
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
F you guys....
:-(
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What was so bad about my mock?
Too optimistic for you guys? OMG! not optimism.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had no problem with it. Nelson will be a 2nd rounder, probably, but if that draft were to occur, I’d be happy.
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be like that Matt
I was very close. Besides, Ron is still on deck and it sounds like he is going to try to piss everyone off!!!
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Matt, here is my latest offering. Rip it up!!!
1st (11) – DE, Everette Brown, Florida St or Brian Orakpo, Texas – Both have potential. I like Brown more, but I don’t know if I care which we get.
2nd (42) – DT, Ron Brace, Boston College – This guy is the big man we need to anchor the line. Great size and strength.
3rd (75) – Center, Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas – Luigs also has the attitude I am looking for in a Center. Also a hard worker with good fooball IQ. Needs a little time in an NFL weight program to get stronger.
4th ( ) – TE, Travis Beckum, Wisconsin – His 75 receptions are most ever for a Badger tight end. Has been compared with Dallas Clark.
5th ( ) – ILB, Worrell Williams, Cal – Good size and speed with lots of potential. Older brother D.J. Williams is a linebacker with the Denver Broncos.
6th ( ) – FB, Quinn Johnson, LSU – A converted linebacker, he will not be afraid to blow people out of the hole. He showed great hands in the Senior Bowl.
7th ( ) – QB, Brian Hoyer, Michigan State – "East-West Shrine Tuesday practice: Brian Hoyer (Michigan State) still looks like the best quarterback on the field because of his size, zip and accuracy. – Chad Reuter, The SportsXchange, NFL Draft Scout"
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not bad, not bad.
so you’re keeping Ellison starting? You think Luigis can come in and start day 1? No safety help at all? Who replaces Greer?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeez Matt, again only 7 picks. Let’s put a LB instead of Brace, and we still have “holes” at S and CB depth, as well as DT depth.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s why you can’t have your cake and eat it too. It forces you to make decisions. For instance in my draft I am ok with the DT rotation. It’s not perfect but it’s acceptable and didn’t draft a DT. With the CBs I took a safety, granted, and left the CB depth a little precarious but I can live with moving Whitner or my new safety down in the subpackages.
I’m not trying to be critical of you, K, or anyone else’s draft.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Answers - Yes, better than Preston, Whitner & Co. will benefit from
a better DE and NT pass rush, and Corner.
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you'll like one of my drafts, Joe.
by Ron From NM on Feb 13, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am sure I will
Just remember who pioneered the “Draftapoloza” concept :-)
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. It was an optimistic draft… which means that most of us here would be pretty happy if it happened. Nothing was bad with your mock, I just didn’t consider it very realistic. Hopefully, I’m wrong.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your mock was fine. I take a lot of crap on mocks (mock crap?) So I’m just relishing the fact that I’m not last. As K said other than Nelson in the 4th, it wasn’t that bad.
Just remember that you can’t and often won’t please everybody.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah well my ranking goes:
1. MRW
10th . everybody else.
It’s not soar grapes guys. I really don’t care. Just having some fun. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 13, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just don’t forget what everyone is saying, and make a great v2.0.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like
the idea of taking two defensive ends a lot. In fact, I almost like the idea of taking a second one sooner. I would hope that OBD gets an OLB and WR in free agency and then trade next years first and this years second to the Eagles for their higher first round pick. Then draft:
Rd 1 -Brian Orakpo DE
Rd 1 – Alex Mack C
Rd 3 – Connor Barwin DE
Rd 4 – Cornelius Ingram TE
Rd 5 – Terrence Taylor DT
Rd 6 – Quinn Johnson FB
Rd 7 – Rashard Langford S
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by poz on Feb 13, 2009 12:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ew, I would hate that. Not because I don’t like the players, nor because I’m averse to trading future picks. I just don’t think the combination of Orakpo and Mack is worth trading two really good picks for.
Oh, and Connor Barwin won’t last until the third.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dont be so sure!
Just because you like Connor Barwin by no means does that mean he will go sooner than he should. List of defensive ends who will go before him:
Brian Orakpo, Everette Brown, Michael Johnson, Aaron Maybin, Larry English, Matt Shaunnessy, Jaron Gilbert, Robert Ayers, Paul Kruger, Tyson Jackson,
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by poz on Feb 13, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure there were a lot of teams who loved Chris Johnson last year, and thought the same way. until the Titans shocked them.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your making this too easy Eric, I can cherry pick examples too. A lot of people loved Brady Quinn and though he would be top ten until he was passed by everybody.
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by poz on Feb 13, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did cherry pick. Just saying that you can never be to sure about were a guy will or will not be available.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well then both Brian and my perspectives are moot. Essentially, Mel Kiper shouldn’t even have a job
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by poz on Feb 13, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mel Kiper shouldn’t even have a job
I’ve felt that way for quite some time now.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vidal Sassoon pays his salary
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was Brylcreem.
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by keuka121 on Feb 13, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure? I think he is a Dapper Dan man, not a Fop user
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by WABillsfan on Feb 13, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am convinced that
Eddie Munster grew up to be Mel Kiper.
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will say this for Kiper
He is better than McShay.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McShay's
written analysis of college players borders on plagarism. last year he and Mike Mayock, who is much more respected, had many identical evaluations.
I like Mel Kiper for shear entertainment value. He is guaranteed to say something controversial which will piss off someone or some team
by gatornation on Feb 13, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have skid marks
smarter than McShay!!!!!
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have skid marks?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sh!t happens!!!
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by Joe P. on Feb 13, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was at a bar yesterday
and I overheard some saying “I love Mel Kiper!” I couldn’t believe it. I didn’t know people actually liked his analysis. I thought he was considered a joke by everyone. Guess I was wrong
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by poz on Feb 13, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Of all the major mocksters out there Kiper finished second in picking correctly last year behind Rich Gosslen, a Texas neewspaper writer. Kiper got 7 right in the first round. Arrogant and horrendous hair, but not a bad prognosticator.
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by keuka121 on Feb 13, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kiper is o.k. I give him as much flak as anybody, and while I don’t pay too much attention to his mocks this time of year, he is pretty good at what he does.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes. I’m not saying that Barwin won’t last until the third because I like him. Give me a little more credit than that, man. :)
I’m hearing Barwin described as a “player coaches love to coach”. Combined with his skill versatility and schematic versatility, it’s hard to imagine him slipping out of the second, particularly with so many teams (Denver, Green Bay, etc) building new 3-4 schemes.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 13, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok fair enough
I concede that you’re not saying that just because you like him. Still, we will have to disagree on where he’s going. Don’t forget that he transitioned to defensive end from tight end and has only played the position for barely one season. He is so raw that he lacks pass rushing moves and the footwork needed to be effective at the next level. So while he may be a player coaches love to coach it will nonetheless take a lot of coaching to get him ready to be an NFL defensive end. With Orakpo, Schobel, Ellis, and Denney I think we are a team that can afford him the season he will need to learn.
Kawika Mitchell is a leader. He will help this young team develop.
by poz on Feb 13, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frick. So it’ll be Barwin at #11 then?
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by Kurupt on Feb 13, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least they won’t reach for Mack then.
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by sireric on Feb 13, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quite a few mocks have Barwin going in the mid to late 2nd.
by Ron From NM on Feb 13, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Love this Draft!
Only got one complaint, why would we draft a RB? i don’t get it
But hey, if we can get our hands on every other player on this list, possibly switch Unger for Wood, i’d be really happy! And I’m happy to finally se someone put enough stock into Quinn Johnson to take him. I know you don’t usually draft FB’s but this guy could REALLY help us.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 13, 2009 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Except for the RB this is not a bad mock at all. A bit ideal but it’s still early. I would take a flyer on Maurice Evans too. Mabye round 4. He looks to be a classic boom or bust. I’d give him a thorough interview at the combine and hope to determine how much he wants to play at the next level. He had a solid year before the weed bust, then all but disappeared.
If our vaunted coaching staff seriously intends to use a FB next year, they had better grab their choice early.
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by keuka121 on Feb 13, 2009 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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