Marshawn Lynch arrested, handed felony firearm charge
As first reported here early yesterday by BearsNecessity of the California Golden Blogs, Buffalo Bills running back Marshawn Lynch was arrested on February 11 and charged with felony possession of a concealed firearm. Lynch was released on $35,000 bond. The case will be submitted to California's District Attorney's office for for "filing consideration".
The news has been known for about 36 hours at this point, but Mike Florio at Pro Football Talk has confirmed the story.
Lynch won't have to deal with mere firearm charges, either. As a repeat offender of the NFL's personal conduct policy, it's unlikely that Lynch will receive a reprieve from league commissioner Roger Goodell.
In May of 2008, Lynch was arrested after a Toronto woman was struck by Lynch's Porsche in downtown Buffalo. After a full two months of speculation and legal proceedings which crawled at a snail's pace, Lynch accepted a plea deal, paid a $100 fine and surrendered his driver's license. He did not receive punishment from the league at that time.
Lynch is coming off of his second straight 1,000-yard season and is less than a week removed from his first Pro Bowl appearance.
What happens from here?
It's hard to fathom being more disappointed in Marshawn after hearing this news. Lynch embodies everything the city of Buffalo values in their football players when he's on the field - talent, passion and a never-say-die attitude. But for a two-year veteran, it's pretty telling that Lynch has had two major legal issues in less than a calendar year.
Lynch will almost certainly be suspended for this most recent arrest, and honestly, he deserves whatever he gets. At some point, the young man from Oakland needs to learn his lesson. It's incredibly difficult for this organization to put together a winning team when they don't have to deal with off-field issues. Lynch is already the second Bill to be arrested since the end of the 2008 season, following safety Ko Simpson's poor example. As if Buffalo's epic 2-8 collapse last season wasn't enough to deal with.
Marshawn Lynch is still a member of this football team. I'll still cheer for him when he's on the field. But this behavior needs to end. This is strike two for Buffalo's star tailback. The plan for the team is simple: get backup running back Fred Jackson a solid extension as soon as possible, back the league's play regarding a suspension, and hope that the 22-year-old from Oakland can finally, mercifully put this behavior behind him.
Update, 2/15/09 8:16PM: The AP has a couple of tidbits to add to the situation...
Culver City police did not immediately return a phone message seeking information about why officers approached Lynch and his companions.
Lynch’s lawyer, M. Gerald Schwartzbach, said his client was not involved in a traffic incident. Schwartzbach said the player was in California to visit friends.
Update, 2/16/09 8:14AM: Allen Wilson of The Buffalo News has offered his opinions on the matter, and as usual, he's spot on. Disappointing? Yes. Deserving of punishment? Yes. Decision to make on Marshawn's future? Let's hold off on that one.
ESPN.com's Tim Graham asks the tough question:
When is it no longer worth the trouble, Bills fans?
My answer: Not yet, Tim. Not yet.
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Anybody up for bringing in a good third running back now? :) :(
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
At this point, I think we are looking at a good #2, behind Fred. So yes.
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by thurman on Feb 15, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You beat me to that.
Do you bring in a vet? Do you use a pick in the draft?
So much for not having much to talk about this off-season. I was going to post my War and Peace sized off-season plan today (FA & the draft). That one goes back to the drawing board now.
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I want a veteran. Xavier Omon isn’t going to cut it as our primary backup if Lynch misses more than 4 games.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Corey Dillon still Looking to come back to the NFL? I know he can pretty much be considered a washup now, but he’s the first guy that came to mind
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 5:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fred Taylor
He’s likely to be released by the Jags and should held Jackson hold down the fort while Lynch is suspended.
by Ron From NM on Feb 15, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I had a choice........I would vote for Ricky Williams......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
But the Dolphins aren’t going to let Ricky go. he’s presently the phin’s version of Fred Jackson, and we all know how valuable Fred is to us
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 7:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t he get a 2 year deal last offseason?
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he’s still on that HUGE deal they gave him in 05
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I show him as a UFA
according to this link
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2009/fa/rb.html
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 11:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_O5dbF-5WrwtR4PclzJpZg&hl=en
sorry, link didn’t go up
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well I guess you are correct.......
that website is the only one I saw at first for FA and didnt really look at any other site……however after you posted your link I looked some more and no one else anywhere puts Williams as a FA………so my bad…..stupid site…
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ricky is signed for one more year at $3.4M.
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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great money for someone who gained 600 yards on the ground this last year....
man Im still disappointed that he had to waste his enormous talent…
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 16, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call it a waist of talent
I wouldn’t call the league refusing his treatment of choice for by-polar desease him wasting his talent.
I don’t know about the US, but here canabis is one of the most recommended drugs for severe by-polar desease, which is what Ricky has.
Is it a shame that he spent his best year off the NFL turf, but if i was in his situation, i might have done the same thing… maybe that why he came to canada for a year.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but you can play in the league for 10-12-14 years as a RB.......
if you cant hold off for that and make your millions of dollars then retire and you can smoke all you want……….thats what I find as a waste….
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 16, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Name the Rbs who played for 10-12-14 years. It’ll be a short list…
by krytime on Feb 16, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well he (ricky) could have done it......
and thats who Im talking about
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 16, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not talking duration in the league or wait until he retires.
Bi-polar can get very bad, i know, my mom is bi-polar. Now sometimes prescription medication can help, but most of those are on the banned substance list in the NFL.
I’m not trying to deffend pot smoking, what he does with his time is his business. but if i was in his shoes, i might have done the same thing.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my mother is also a suffer-er of bi-polarism....
and most of the time she just uses it as an excuse
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 16, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
now I have to change my vote.........because I got wrong info.....
now I’ll take Correll Buckhalter..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn’t be a bad vet to target, though for some reason Buckhalter wants a chance to start somewhere. Good luck with that, Correll!
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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is?
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Taylor is available he would definatly be worth looking into. Although i doubt that he would like being a 3rd running back on any team and i’m positive that another team would offer him at least 2nd string duties, thinking a team like the lions.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if things are different now, but...
When Dillon was a free agent the first time he publicly turned down a chance to visit Buffalo. He didn’t feel it was competitive enough to the extent he was looking for. Now that he’s got a ring with New England, he might feel a little more open. But maybe not.
by Dyl on Feb 15, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Changes everything
At least we have FA and the draft to prepare if necessary. Assuming he does not go to jail, how many games are we looking at?
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, as if we didn’t have enough to deal with in FA and the draft…
I’d guess 4 games. Might be 8, depending on the severity of his legal punishment. But, alas, I’m an optimist.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think max 4 games...
no way 8… that’s WAY too much for this kind of thing.
John I.
by jri111 on Feb 15, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, like I said, I’m leaning towards 4. Be interesting to see what kind of suspension Plax gets, because as far as I can remember (and please don’t claim my poor memory as fact), Plax isn’t a repeat offender.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a gun charge, it could be the whole season and I wouldn’t disagree. Carrying loaded guns around is just dumb.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If someone legally carring a handgun saved your
wife, kid, etc from a violent crime, you might feel differently.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he wasn’t carrying it legally?
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I misunderstood you
Carrying loaded guns around is just dumb.
I thought you meant as a general rule for everyone.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I should have clarified more. Carrying them around in your car, if unregistered or illegal, is pretty dumb.
Illegally carrying guns is my issue, sorry for not stating that at first.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, and my apologies to Ron here, unless you are a police officer of some kind, I really don’t see the need, legal or otherwise. I am an avid hunter (haven’t gotten out the last few years but still go every now and then) and I own a few guns (no hand guns) but I’ve never ever been in a situation where I thought it would have turned out better if I was carrying a gun, if anything the exact opposite is true.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 15, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Native Montanan here
and I agree. Only because when I see justice miss-served, I know I don’t need to have a loaded gun. Otherwise lots of shots would be fired. I feel this post has touched buttons that we all wish were not pertinent.
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by thurman on Feb 16, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
problem is they are pertinant
whether your in Montana, new york, florida or ontario. simple fact is that handguns, whether for agression or deffence, cause more trouble (crime) than anything else. Sure you can have it registered, hold it legaly and do all the right things, or if you hold it illigally, lets say loaded in the back of your benz, statistics show that if that gun is going to be used, it will be to do bad things, whether it be by you or someone else. I don’t know about the US, but in Ontario statistics show that most handguns used in crimes were stollen from people who did all the right things to have them legaly.
So i ask again, why even own a handgun? legaly or otherwise.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 3:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think we can speculate yet until the Burress thing plays out. Precedent hasn’t been set yet, has it?
My guess though, is two.
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will also depend on the legal strategy Lynch and his lawyer want to use
Do they push to get things settled quickly or try to stall?
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends what they learned from the last off-season incident. Stalling didn’t really hurt him in the eyes of the law. It just made him look bad in the court of public opinion. Even then, most people forgave him.
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
stalling could be better for Lynch legally, but
if Goodell waits for the legal process to play out before giving out his suspension, we could lose him at the end of the year when it would hurt the most (assuming we were fighting for a playoff spot…haaahaaaaaahaaaaa).
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well a gun that actually discharged in public should draw a much stiffer penalty.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree. especially if you put it up against a gun that was readily handed over to police.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can we do a revote on the "Author's Mock" then?
circumstances have changed!
John I.
by jri111 on Feb 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think your Jason Wright thang is worth investigating muuuuuuuuch further now.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Resign Fred Jackson
Right now, he’s our best option at RB.
The Bills can draft another back if they need to.
Get the Bills back to the big game!
by Blitz on Feb 17, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Consider a trade.
The Bills can’t afford this. This is not Dallas. The entire off season is plagued. Sad, sad day.
I don’t blame Marshawn for defending himself. I just think he needs to obey the law. If he does just get a minor suspension from the League, the best message the Bills could send would be to bench Lynch for a few extra games above and beyond. They need to let the players know this crap won’t be stood for.
And maybe Marshawn needs a ‘life coach.’
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Feb 15, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No, don’t consider a trade. He’s a good football player, and we’re lacking in those. Lynch needs to take his legal and league punishments like a man. He certainly deserves them. But then he should play.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No trade now,
but after he comes back and performs well??? Like I said before, he gets one more dumb mistake max. Anyone want to bet on him getting an extension?
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe P
Wait – do you mean he gets one more mistake after this?
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think he does
We don’t know all the facts yet, but illegally having a concealed weapon is an improvement over a drunk driving hit and run.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the hit and run was much, much more despicable. This just makes me think he’s stupid.
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is what I was trying to say.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t even call him stupid. That is, I wouldn’t have called him stupid until he pulled this after the Plaxico Burress incident. That’d be like Albert Pujols being caught taking steroids after the McGuire fiasco in St. Louis.
So yeah. This was pretty dumb of Lynch. Protecting yourself is one thing; breaking the law to do it is another.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand why these kid athletes making millions feel the need for protection..
But why not just hire bodyguards? Why break the law? Bodyguards would also be great for times when you drink too much and need a designated driver, eliminates the hit&run’s if uyou know what i mean!
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by keysh67 on Feb 16, 2009 5:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The hit and run was a misdemeanor. This is a FELONY for a REPEAT offender. Me thinks he is in deep s$$t. California has a three strike law. Someone has to research what offense #2 means. Absolutely unreal.
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by keuka121 on Feb 15, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He pleaded down to a traffic violation so he wouldn’t even be legally considered a repeat offender in NY state.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. He lucked out big time.
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by keuka121 on Feb 15, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure he would be considered a repeat offender anyways because the two incidents took part in different states.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Dealing Marshawn sets the Bills back 2 or 3 years, but keeping him sends them back to the middle ages.
I know a lot of Bills fans in my family who are going to be pissed enough to ask for a change.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Feb 15, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, fans, of course, are entitled to their opinion. But as I said above (or maybe below…), trading him doesn’t make business sense. And it won’t happen.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He won't be traded because of this.
I say he’s got one more life here. If he does something again after this, then he’s a goner. For now, he’s still our featured back.
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think people are going to be so mad over this that they don’t buy tickets or cheer for the team anymore? A lot of people said stuff like that after the hit and run, but I bet it had absolutely zero effect on the marketability and performance of the team.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s a little over the top….It was in his car, it’s not like he was out in the club discharging it….Not that what he did should be allowed..
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dumping one of your best 2-3 players isn’t going to help keep fans happy….
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got three years left on his deal and one more mistake to go. I’m going to let two of those years or the arrival of that final mistake arrive before even thinking about trading Marshawn Lynch. Until that point, we’re talking about trading our best football player when his value is at its lowest. That’s a terrible business decision.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fool me once….
I see where you are coming from, and it makes me cringe to think about the offense without ML, but when you start taking care of felons, that is a bad choice. I am in Portland, and a few years ago the basketball team was called the Jail Blazers by many here. The got rid of those guys, and with a bit of luck, the are loved here and on the way to the playoffs.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Feb 15, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is backing a league suspension and then letting a guy play “taking care” of him? If the Bills hired Lynch 14 lawyers to try to get him off of the charges, I’d be more concerned with that image problem. But the team pays him to play football. They should, and will, let him play football.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a difference there though. The Bills have a 53 man roster with one guy who has gotten into a decent amount of trouble, a couple guys who has gotten into a little bit of trouble and about 50 guys who havn’t gotten into trouble. The NBA has 15 players on a roster and the Blazers had a number of players got caught with marijuana or did other stupid stuff. Over a few years they had a registered sex offender in Ruben Patterson. Damon Stoudamire, Rasheed Wallace, Qyntel Woods all got busted for marijuana including the cops finding a pound at Stoudamire’s house. Woods was even arrested for animal abuse for pulling a Mike Vick and having dogfights in his house. Zach Randolph and Sabastian Telfair both had plenty of problems too. I don’t even think you can compare the two situations.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A pound of weed? That’s a lot of weed.
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by keuka121 on Feb 15, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, but he got off because it was deemed an illegal search. I don’t want to get off topic here, but the rights of criminals boggles my mind sometimes.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Criminals do sometimes have too many rights. But if cops didn’t abuse their powers the criminals wouldn’t have those rights, so it’s a two way street.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent point. And you turned what could have devloved into a long drawn out discussion into a nice clean resolution.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not if you’re Nate Newton
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the opposite. I don’t think teams like Dallas and New York can afford these types of situations while Buffalo can. Buffalo has about one tenth of the amount of media members that cover the team and spends time in the locker room asking questions as Dallas does. NY has like 50x the media attention that Buffalo does. That is how this distracts the team, when you have 100 different members of the local and national media coming up and asking players the same questions over and over and over again. But in Buffalo that won’t happen. The amount of time and frustration that Bills players and coaches will have to spend dealing with an incident like this is pretty small especially considering that we will be 5 months removed from the arrest when training camp starts. Do you think the team was actually distracted from the hit and run fiasco? Do you think the players did a worse job preparing and playing because of what Marshawn Lynch did in his spare time? I think stuff like this is way overblown when it comes to things like team chemistry.
I have been saying for a long time that the Bills do value character as much as it’s fans think they do, but they define character in a different way than the media and fans do. Buffalo wants guys that fit in with their teammates. Likeable players who won’t be problem from a personality standpoint, but they don’t worry as much about character type concerns like getting in trouble off the field, otherwise they wouldn’t have drafted Lynch or Hardy. Buffalo cares about working hard on and off the field and playing and practicing with a team first mentality. In my opinion, that is what the Bills and other teams are talking about when they say they want high character players. They don’t care if the guy goes to church on sunday, calls his grandmother on her birthday or anything like that, they just don’t want players who split the lockerroom and I suspect that Marshawn will have the full support of his team and this arrest is just as likely to bring the team together as it is to rip it apart.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting take on the media market. And yes, I do think the team was distracted by the hit and run. Do you think the coaches had to develop a plan if Lynch had been suspended? For sure they were thinking about it. Are they planning right now? Maybe, but how can you deny this is a HUGE distraction?
I agree that grandmother-calling is what “character” means to most fans. Not me. I played and coached. I know what character means as far as winning. And this sort of thing could easily divide a locker room. Don’t kid yourself. We shouldn’t let our ache for a winning football team compromise our morals. I know this is a small incident, but it is #2 in as many years.
What is the difference in the reaction here between Ko an Marshawn is? Relevance to a winning season. Everyone was quick to throw Ko under the bus for his big mouth, but Marshawn should slide because he is not replaceable. That is a double standard.
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by thurman on Feb 15, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is the difference in the reaction here between Ko an Marshawn is? Relevance to a winning season. Everyone was quick to throw Ko under the bus for his big mouth, but Marshawn should slide because he is not replaceable. That is a double standard.
That isn’t what I was saying.
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/1/2/707499/iE280%99m-ko-simpson-with-the-b
I didn’t care then and I don’t care now. I didn’t care when Hardy got in trouble after we picked him. I will be pretty pissed at Marshawn if he is dumb enough to get suspended, but I still think it is bad philosophy to cut guys because they don’t make you look good through the eyes of the public. If they don’t hurt locker room chemistry and don’t negatively impact ticket sales or corporate sponsers, then you keep them. I think it is that simple.
I don’t see how this sort of thing could split a locker room or even have any kind of noticeably negative impact on it. There was a gun in his car and I don’t think that can be a big deal to players. I would bet Marshawn is far from being the only guy on the team who owns a gun (legally or otherwise). I don’t think the hit and run hurt the locker room in any way and that was probably a much, much worse thing to do in the eyes of his teammates.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see. Your stance on Ko was different than what stuck in my mind about the thread. Let’s forget K. Simpson.
Regarding Marshawn: what if the incidents were switched—what if last year was a minor firearm infraction, and then Friday the 13 of February, 2009, Lynch had a hit-and-run? I think more people would, like me, see almost as much liability with ML as upside.
Why do I say almost? ‘Cause I can’t say I would go through with a trade. But it would be on the table at this point. I know I am not the only blogger on here that has had a second or third chance, however each defines second chances.
Every game Marshawn Lynch played this season, I got worked up waiting to see him run. I think whenever he shows up to play, the defense is going to look like a bunch of chumps at least a half-dozen times. I do consider him more valuable to Buffalo’s short term success than Trent. What more can I say than that? I could say I like his sense of humor, and how the other Bills show respect to him. I love his on-field drive, and I think it is one of the few things the Bills can hang their hat on. I could go on.
But when I got my extra chances, the stakes when up. Just like any other job, your public life can affect your professional. Some of the Bills have to answer to their kids about Marshaw’s loaded gun. Fine, no BFD. I am simply saying Lynch should feel what this means to some people in Bills Nation.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by thurman on Feb 15, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not just yet...
Like Brian very aptly put it, this is strike two. The Bills have to prepare for strike three, but can still hope one more time that Marshawn gets it. Lynch isn’t committing violent crimes. Okay, he bumped a woman with his car and left a gun in his parked vehicle. Serious, but again — strike two — not three.
by Dyl on Feb 15, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone know what
attracted the police to these 3 men in the car? Was it Lynch’s car? Was he driving? Was he drinking?
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 5:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I doubt we’ll hear anything like that until some future point.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I heard it was sometime in the early evening. To me, that would sort of rule out anything that has to do with drinking and driving. That stuff usually happens late in the nite.
It was a Benz, correct? Four guys in a nice ride in an alleged bad neighborhood?
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lets not play the race card just yet.
but it was the LA region, so who knows.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who said anything about race there?
I said four guys.
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you know there are times when i should just keep my big mouth shut.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either way, i'm not giving up on the kid.
I really hope he can turn things around.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s the press release from Culver County Police:
On Wednesday Evening, February 11 2009, Culver City Police Officers were patrolling the Fox Hills area of Culver City when they contacted three adult males seated in a 2006 Mercedes Benz. Upon contacting the occupants they learned one of the subjects was Buffalo Bills running back; Marshawn Lynch. A subsequent field investigation led to the discovery of a loaded firearm. The officers determined the gun belonged to Lynch and he was arrested for posession of a concealed firearm. Lynch was transported to CCPD booked and later released on bail. The case will be submitted to the District Attorney’s Office for filing consideration.
Lynch was released on a $35,000 bond. The case now moves to the District Attorney.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 5:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I don’t like to see people get away with stuff, but if the police didn’t have cause to pull them over and search the car, then it could very well be an illegal search by the police.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
there’s a lot of vagueness in there. Was there a traffic stop, or was the vehicle parked? What was the officer’s reason for approaching the car? What suspicion did the officers have for the detainment? Why was a “subsequent field investigation” conducted? Did they consent to a search of the vehicle? Lots of questions dealing with appropriate criminal procedure and constitutional issues.
Obviously the statement here is vague, so it’s hard to tell the legitimacy of the stop without knowing more. Nonetheless, a good defense lawyer will have a lot of arguments in his corner.
John I.
by jri111 on Feb 15, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It could be as simple as the cops talking to them because the Benz seemed out of place in the area. In the course of the conversation a typical a cop is going to ask if there are any weapons present. If someone in the car said there was a weapon the cops are going to want to know whose it is and whether it is there legally. If they find it isn’t, well, bad things happen to the guy who has it….or the owner of the car if no one admits it is their weapon.
by Ron From NM on Feb 15, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with the lack of details on the present case, it could simply be a case of marshawn cooporating with the cops and handing over his illigal weapon (something he shouldn’t have in the first place) and then the cops having to do their jobs and take him in, simply because the weapon was not registered. and if thats the case, the usual way to go about things is the cops keep the wepon and the perp walks away with just an arrest on his record.
Lets hope that this is what happens and marshawn walks away.
although this is all speculation, cause i have no idea what happened
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Kid is still young, give him a break.
Did he screw up? yes. Did he break the law? yes. Should he have at the very least registered his gun? absolutly. Does he deserve to get the book thrown at him thus ruining his career? Absolutly NOT.
With everything that has been happening to nfl players latly; i.e.sean taylor’s murder, Collier being paralized. two bronco’s DB’s dead, etc etc. I really don’t blame Marshawn, or Plax, for carrying weapons to deffend themselves. heck if i was them i’d consider doing it myself! that being said there are much better ways to go about things.
Marshawn will probably just get some community service and have to do a few public service anouncements. as for a suspention, i’ll be shocked if he get more then 4, i’m not even expecting more than two games.
I saw we be critical about the events, but not overly so. so instead of trying to toss the kid asside, we try to show him how to turn his personal life around. i still have lots of hope for this kid.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 5:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he wants to carry a gun (which is dumb for someone like Lynch to do anyway)
do it legally, or even better, hire a bodyguard who is a trained professional and can carry legally.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats kinda what is was pointing too here guys
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
there are much better ways to go about things.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YUP!
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The California Statute if anyone is interested in playing lawyer...
§ 12025. Carrying weapon concealed within vehicle or on person; offense; arms in holster or sheath
(a) A person is guilty of carrying a concealed firearm when he or she does any of the following:
(1) Carries concealed within any vehicle which is under his or her control or direction any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(2) Carries concealed upon his or her person any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(3) Causes to be carried concealed within any vehicle in which he or she is an occupant any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(b) Carrying a concealed firearm in violation of this section is punishable, as follows:
(1) Where the person previously has been convicted of any felony, or of any crime made punishable by this chapter, as a felony.
(2) Where the firearm is stolen and the person knew or had reasonable cause to believe that it was stolen, as a felony.
(3) Where the person is an active participant in a criminal street gang, as defined in subdivision (a) of Section 186.22, under the Street Terrorism Enforcement and Prevention Act (Chapter 11 (commencing with Section 186.20) of Title 7 of Part 1), as a felony.
(4) Where the person is not in lawful possession of the firearm, as defined in this section, or the person is within a class of persons prohibited from possessing or acquiring a firearm pursuant to Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, as a felony.
(5) Where the person has been convicted of a crime against a person or property, or of a narcotics or dangerous drug violation, by imprisonment in the state prison, or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
(6) By imprisonment in the state prison, or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment if both of the following conditions are met:
(A) Both the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from that firearm are either in the immediate possession of the person or readily accessible to that person, or the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is loaded as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12031.
(B) The person is not listed with the Department of Justice pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision © of Section 11106, as the registered owner of that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.
(7) In all cases other than those specified in paragraphs (1) to (6), inclusive, by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
© A peace officer may arrest a person for a violation of paragraph (6) of subdivision (b) if the peace officer has probable cause to believe that the person is not listed with the Department of Justice pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision © of Section 11106 as the registered owner of the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, and one or more of the conditions in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (6) of subdivision (b) is met.
(d)(1) Every person convicted under this section who previously has been convicted of a misdemeanor offense enumerated in Section 12001.6 shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for at least three months and not exceeding six months, or, if granted probation, or if the execution or imposition of sentence is suspended, it shall be a condition thereof that he or she be imprisoned in a county jail for at least three months.
(2) Every person convicted under this section who has previously been convicted of any felony, or of any crime made punishable by this chapter, if probation is granted, or if the execution or imposition of sentence is suspended, it shall be a condition thereof that he or she be imprisoned in a county jail for not less than three months.
(e) The court shall apply the three-month minimum sentence as specified in subdivision (d), except in unusual cases where the interests of justice would best be served by granting probation or suspending the imposition or execution of sentence without the minimum imprisonment required in subdivision (d) or by granting probation or suspending the imposition or execution of sentence with conditions other than those set forth in subdivision (d), in which case, the court shall specify on the record and shall enter on the minutes the circumstances indicating that the interests of justice would best be served by that disposition.
(f) Firearms carried openly in belt holsters are not concealed within the meaning of this section.
(g) For purposes of this section, "lawful possession of the firearm" means that the person who has possession or custody of the firearm either lawfully owns the firearm or has the permission of the lawful owner or a person who otherwise has apparent authority to possess or have custody of the firearm. A person who takes a firearm without the permission of the lawful owner or without the permission of a person who has lawful custody of the firearm does not have lawful possession of the firearm.
(h)(1) The district attorney of each county shall submit annually a report on or before June 30, to the Attorney General consisting of profiles by race, age, gender, and ethnicity of any person charged with a felony or a misdemeanor under this section and any other offense charged in the same complaint, indictment, or information.
(2) The Attorney General shall submit annually, a report on or before December 31, to the Legislature compiling all of the reports submitted pursuant to paragraph (1).
(3) This subdivision shall remain operative until January 1, 2005, and as of that date shall be repealed.
John I.
by jri111 on Feb 15, 2009 5:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
comments
Editor’s Note: I deleted the statute above that had my comments at the bottom and reposted it here in two separate posts just to ensure that there is no confusion…
My comments:
Since he’s charged with a felony, I’m assuming based on this statute that he was not in lawful possession of the firearm.
Whether or not it’s a felony though is only semantics, the only difference in punishment is the potential imprisonment is either in the county jail or state prison.
The crime is punishable up to a year in prison and/or a $1000.00 fine. But this is California we are talking about here. Unless the underlying facts of the case are really bad, Lynch will probably not see any jail time (unless he gets a judge that wants to make a lesson out of him).
John I.
by jri111 on Feb 15, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
None of that matters unless the officers had reasonable suspicion to stop the car, to detain the passengers, and to search the passengers. Moreover, we have absolutely no idea how the officers determined, on the spot, that the firearm belonged to Marshawn. These aren’t excuses, these are constitutional protections that right now we have no idea whether they were violated. Wait for the facts to play themselves out. I can tell all of you, from experience, that these charges DO get dismissed and officers DO violate these constitutional protections – not out of nefarious intent but do to negligence on their own part.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not convicting him...
I wasn’t convicting him, and I raised many of the same concerns/issues you did in a few posts above. Right now, there’s just not enough information about the situation to make any kind of determination of guilt. I was merely pointing out the consquences of a conviction and what the statute called for.
John I.
by jri111 on Feb 15, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I, too, wonder why it was determined to be Lynch’s weapon.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly why I wasnt thrilled with the idea of Lynch being drafted by the Bills....
Because I followed his career at Cal and knew he hung out with folks who were no good….but I really wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt and I still do…….but this is just uber-ly disappointing………..if he wasnt such a stud on the field (and seemingly nice fellow) I would say let him go……and find another stud (my choice would be Lesean McCoy from Pitt- even though I believe he might have future conduct problems as well)
But giving Lynch one more chance is a must
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We don’t even know whether Marshawn did anything wrong. Being arrested is not the end of the criminal justice process. This sort of reminds me of when people discuss how to address crime and people always focus on officers on the street and think battling crime begins and ends with arrest. No, district attorneys are a big part of the process too and the courts are just as big, if not a bigger part of the equation. Everyone, RELAX.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
being in a car with a concealed firearm at night in a bad neighborhood means nothing good can happen.....
That is more than WRONG just right there.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, so, it is illegal to be in a bad neighborhood? That is not sufficient to stop a vehicle, the Supreme Court has already held that being in a high crime area alone is not enough of a reason to stop a vehicle.
With regard to the concealed firearm, we have absolutely no idea what is or is not true.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize by your SN that you are a huge fan of Marshawn....(thats great)
However you dont see a problem with the very face of the Bills franchise roaming around neighborhoods which are unsafe?
Wouldnt you rather him be safe and sound at home?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
None of my comments have anything to do with being a fan of Marshawn Lynch, they have everything to do with trying to shed light on Marshawn’s constitutional protections and not to rush to judgment when the criminal justice process is much more than arrest.
With regard to Marshawn not being allowed to “roam” bad neighborhoods, of course I’d rather he chill in Pasadena than Compton. That said, Marshawn is from East Oakland, not East Amherst.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said nothing of him being "allowed".....he's a grown man he can do whatever he wants....
However I question his judgement…….Im not a brilliant man by any means but I know there are certain neighborhoods that should be avoided……….ESPECIALLY in LA…….I would like to think he would know better than that………guess not……..
BTW his “constitutional rights” wouldnt even be an issue here if he just steered clear of that area…..
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose using quotes means you don’t believe in those protections, fine. That said, it should also bother all of us that someone is stopped merely for driving a nice car in a bad neighborhood. Sorry, that isn’t enough to justify a stop. And, again, just because he has made it big does not mean Marshawn has to disavow of friends and family that have yet to escape poor conditions.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No but again I guess Im just smart enough to realize that I have more to lose
(If im Marshawn) then his friends do………….so of course they want to be around him he’s their meal ticket………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’m sorry if i seem out of line, but who are you to tell him who he should hang out with?
here’s a kid from the getto who made it out on phisical talents, maybe he’s going back to try and get his friends out too. then again maybe he isn’t. who are we to judge.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It goes with the saying......'you are who your friends are'......
I dont understand how a person who went from “the ghetto” (as you say) with limited income could ever want to squander the MILLIONS he is worth because of some people who are nothing but trouble? Marshawn has so much more to lose by hanging around people that get into trouble (or trouble that finds them) and his “friends” have nothing to lose at all………Doesnt exactly seem fair…..but this is the life Lynch wants……he should be doing more to protect it I think (and NOT WITH A WEAPON)
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the only way in which we’re jumping to conclusions is in terms of what happens to Lynch on the field. Whatever happens to Lynch legally, regardless, he’s a two-time offender of the PCP. Roger Goodell has specifically said that the PCP was written to punish repeat offenders. Two and two together? Lynch will probably get suspended.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Traffic violation plus arrest that may not lead to charges or conviction. I understand the PCP, and I also understand that it is enforced on a case-by-case basis. Neither of us have any idea whether he will probably get suspended until more facts come out.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly don't think a traffic offence counts in the PCP
if it was the case then you’d routinely see players suspended for repeat speeding offences.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a problem with it at all
A person has a right to go where he wants, when he wants (a right that us canadians borrowed from you guys btw). whether that place is of bad reputation is irrelevant and should not be taken into consideration at all.
the facts are that he had an illigal gun (heres the mistake) that the police on the scene deemed to be illigal. it is up to the local DA and courts to decide if it was so or not, and then how to proceed from there. the location of the infraction should have no baring.
I can’t help but wounder what you would have said if marshawn was visiting someone in beverly hills.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then I would have said why does Lynch need a weapon in Beverly Hills.....
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
I think i was wrongly under the impression that you had more beef with where it happend as opposed to what happened
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Personaly i don’t think that theres any excuse for a person to have a handgun of any sort. whether it be for protection or otherwise, there are just better ways to go about things than to carry a gun.
I think that that was Marshawn’s biggest mistake, having a gun in the first place.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I could disagree with you more
Here in the USA, having a gun is a right, having a gun illegally is dumb. Big difference!!!!
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here in canada having a gun is also a right. christ my dad’s been a hunter for 15 years and owns 7 guns. but having a gun as a means for deffence causes more crime than it prevents.
I have no queril with owning a gun for the right reasons. but i don’t think having a gun as means of deffence is a good reason, and for that reason i can’t for the life of me see any reason to own an handgun.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is a proven fact that when states who have not
had concealed weapons permits pass laws to allow them, crime has gone down. Statically, people who take the time to get a permit to carry concealed do not commit many crimes.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On top of that
The vast majority of unregisered weapons involved in crimes (or traffic stops that turn into weapons charges) are handguns. Which once again brings up my question, why even own a handgun? legal or not, all they seem to do is cause crime as opposed to stop it.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I own several
One is for hunting deer (more of a challenge). One is to carry concealed, just in case. One is a WWII Luger my grandfather got fighting in the Battle of the Bulge. The rest are just fun to shot for target practice.
Unless you eliminate guns world wide including the military, criminals will always have guns whether they are illegal or not. Criminals don’t follow the law.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree with that fact at all
But as a law abiding citizen i see no reason to think like a criminal in order to defend myself from one.
I think we could probably go on for a while on this one. And when it comes down to it both our points have merit and all it comes down to a question of opinion and lifestyle. so how about we just agree to disagree on this one.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK...I think it is a good discussion and
I hope you don’t think I am offended. I will leave you with this. There are countless examples of common everyday people who have prevented violent crimes from happening because they have been legally carrying a handgun. These incidents go mostly unreported by the liberal media because it goes against their agenda.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No offence taken at all
Actually kinda enjoyed this discussion. And you make an excellent point about ppl stoping crimes with legal handguns and their non-coverage from a sensationalist media.
That being said i think we also have different point of views partially due to our countries of origin… we’re not all that crazy about guns altogether here in Ottawa (my hometown), just about the only rational reason we find for them is hunting. but i’ll also agknoledge that my reality is probably a lot different than yours. but in the end we have to do what we have to do, we just have different views about how to do it, which i think is actually a good thing. I’d hate to see what would happen if we all agreed on everything.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It could have happened in Lincoln Nebraska and I would still feel the same....
horrible judgement by Marshawn on so many levels……..he just has too much to lose.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, of course we’re going to let the justice system play out here. Obviously, “innocent until proven guilty” applies here. But even the tiniest amount of foresight shows us that something bad is going to come of this. The fact that he’s in the situation in the first place is bad enough.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you had any actual insight beyond what you read in the newspaper, you would have the foresight to realize that lots of evidence is suppressed by motions to suppress.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again......ALL OF THIS could have been avoided if he just stayed away....
why is that so far for you to understand……..The US is a huge place……why pick that place of all places?
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it so hard for YOU to understand that being in a bad neighborhood is not worth hundreds of comments on this board? You question his judgment all you want but the real debate here is whether Marshawn committed a crime and whether there is admissible evidence to convict him of that crime. I would bet that a HUGE percentage of professional athletes from time to time visit friends and family in bad neighborhoods.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then they deserve what they get.......
just like Marshawn will………..maybe now he’ll learn……..I hope….for his sake
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They deserve to be pulled over and illegally searched if they drive through or visit a bad neighborhood? What an absolutely ignorant comment.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look....you can argue with me all you want....
I work as a dispatcher for law enforcement…..Police officers have every right to contact whoever they want if they believe there is some reasonable reason to do so……..Hell they coulda have been conducting a sobriety checkpoint for all you know (which is more than well within their rights)
They can run the tags of a vehicle and they can search the vehicle (if given permission by the driver) and since the field investigation (which probably included questions from the officers) led officers to find the weapon…………its not like his rights were violated……Lynch could have just as easily said “I dont give you permission”
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I work as a DA, so let me tell YOU that without reasonable suspicion they cannot stop the vehicle, detain the passengers, or search the passengers. Right now we have no clue why they stopped the vehicle beyond recognizing Marshawn Lynch and that he was in a Benz. MY ENTIRE POINT HERE IS THAT RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH FACTS TO KNOW WHETHER ANY OF THIS IS LEGITIMATE AND UNTIL THEN THERE SHOULD NOT BE A RUSH TO JUDGMENT.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they can do all of that if they ask.......and the driver says yes...
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh really, I was not aware of that at all. Again, point is, we do not know.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And, again, all I am saying is problems do arise with regard to detention and search issues, quite a bit in fact. i am not rushing to judgment one way or another and just saying lets let the facts play out.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well it sure seems like to me you've already convicted the officer of a illegal search.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, not at all. I am just saying arrest alone is not enough to jump to any conclusions here and the facts out there are not enough to warrant any of this. Too many folks are not knowledgeable about the criminal justice process and rush to judgment before all the facts are out, that is all. I think a few too many people here have done just that and I am sure many more will do the same.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just so you and I are clear.......
the only problem i have with all of this is Marshawn’s lack of judgement……Even if this gets dropped “legally” its a situation that should/could have been avoided……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In that regard, we are totally clear. I see where both you and likely Marshawn are coming from on that issue. My main issue is with regard to the legal process. That is all. I think we probably are on the same page in that regard but this sort of forum isn’t perfect for making that clear.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of ignorant comments......
how do you know the search was illegal? Lynch could have given the cops his verbal permission……..you dont know
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is not ignorant to say that driving in a high crime area alone is insufficient to justify a detention and search. they only facts out there, thus far, are not enough. Maybe they were swerving. Maybe when the officers approached they smelled marijuana. Maybe when they approached they saw a gun in plain view. WE DO NOT KNOW.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marshawn wasn’t alone. There were two other people in the car.
Also, it might not matter if there was anything done illegally by the police. This is still a second offence from Roger Goodell’s perspective and assuming that the cops can prove that it is in fact, Marshawn’s gun (that is prove legally or illegally, it doesn’t matter) than Marshawn is probably looking at a suspension.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Understood. PCP does not require conviction. That said, we do need to know whether in fact the gun was Marshawn’s to make any judgment as to whether a suspension is likely. If it was, and a complaint isn’t filed or later dismissed, then he may be looking at a couple games. If he eventually has to plead or is convicted, he is looking at a serious suspension. But, yeah, need more facts for sure.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the gun wasn’t Marshawn’s then this is a non story, so you are right about rushing to judgement if that was the case. Even if the cops just can’t prove that the gun is Marshawn’s then he isn’t looking at any legal ramifications and probably isn’t getting suspended either.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can all agree on this, I really wish we weren’t talking about this at all.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. I’m quite aware of that. Thanks.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your welcome Brian.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re. Damnit. Spelling.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When I was in sixth grade, I misspelled the word “tiniest” to finish second to an eighth grader in a spelling bee. I still maintain that the judges misheard me. Even still, it’s better than Dwight Schrute misspelling the word “failure”.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha!
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Fred Jackson just got wealthy.
I've been feeling Buffalo ill.
by ChipShot on Feb 15, 2009 5:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I believe you are jumping a bit too far ahead of yourself.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’ll say it again – Jackson was going to become wealthier regardless. It’s just now more significant.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I will reiterate, I was responding to Jackson getting wealthy on Marshawn being arrested, not with regard to his performance on the field.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will disagree. Jackson still has no contract leverage. He can’t negotiate with other teams and with the CBA expiring (or getting voided or whatever), he won’t be able to negotiate with any team other than Buffalo next year either (unless a new deal is signed). And even the year after that he would be restricted. I still think Buffalo can get Jackson to play for peanuts next year or sig him to a modest longer term contract. It will be in his best interest to accept a 3-4 year contract with a nice, but small signing bonus (think 1-2 mil) the league minimum salary and some perfomance bonuses.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I tend to wonder why running backs have very much leverage at all. With a good line, it is a plug and play position. That said, there are a few guys truly talented enough to elevate above that. Freddy did have one heck of a season.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Truer words have never been spoken
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
COMMON GROUND!!!!
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol it can be done......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 6:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt it effects his contract at all. Why would we give him MORE money just because another player got arrested? If that was the case, wouldn’t Amani Toomer be in line for a monster contract from the G-men?
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bottom line
is i don’t care….he is who he is and he did what he did and the Bills FO knew this going into drafting him so you reap what you sow
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by MARVelous on Feb 15, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It's ironic
that he was drafted by Marv Levy, who always stressed the importance of character in his draft selections. He did pretty well on that front, too, but, obviously, not in this case. I wonder if Marshawn’s main problem is a very low IQ, poor character or both?
by ccthemovieman on Feb 15, 2009 7:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I figured the character thing would come up. Levy wasn’t a proponent of drafting choir boys, folks. By “character”, he meant guys who worked their butts off for the benefit of the team. He got that in Lynch.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Proof is in the pudding for sure.
Kelly, Thomas, and Smith were certainly no angels. Ask anyone who used to go to “Network” back in the day…
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Network"?
I was like six when they were playing, what was that all about?
by BearsNecessity on Feb 15, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jim threw one hell of a party.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He also wouldn't draft guys
whom he felt might get arrested, be a distraction or be suspended and thereby NOT help the team. Obeying laws is part of “character,” last time I checked….and Marv would agree.
by ccthemovieman on Feb 15, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather Marv be criticized for taking mediocre talents like Whitner and McCargo than a true talent like Lynch.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is anyone surprised?
What a mess. I mean Lynch is a great player but is just honestly stupid. He deserves another chance, but almost all of us know that he will just offend again. I like Marshawn and I have his jersey and a beast mode shirt, and I can’t say know what’s in his heart and know whether he is a good or bad person but actions and associations speak louder than words. If you hang out with bad people you become more likely to do bad things. He has enough money that he can disassociate with those people but he chooses not too. He wants to be a glamorous/tough gangster type in Oakland. If he didn’t have any skills as a running back, he’d probably already be dead. Just being honest. Do people really think he could have gotten through Cal Berkeley if he wasn’t on the football team? This is who the Bills chose to represent the city. And they knew EXACTLY what they were getting into. Buffalo Police are notorious for letting players get away with things but too bad they don’t have a branch office in California, huh?
by pasaluki on Feb 15, 2009 7:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is so much more to address in that comment than just this, but as a Cal grad, I will comment on getting through UC Berkeley. Like any school, some classes are easier than others. However, Marshawn did study and Jeff Tedford really emphasizes academics. They take tutoring very seriously at Cal. And, the faculty is not exactly the most football friendly. It isn’t Florida State. Point is, maybe in some cases he was given a break at Cal, he also busted his butt in the classroom to pass and maintain eligibility. And, at Cal, given that football is a full-time job, that says something.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my issue is the guy is none too bright man. Read his blogs, listen to his interviews. I’m not trying to say that Cal isn’t a good university but I mean c’mon man. He ghost rides a golf cart that easily could have injured somone, he gets in a hit and run, and then he gets caught with a gun after the Plaxico thing. Maybe that is intelligent behavior that a reasonable person would engage in to you but not to most people.
by pasaluki on Feb 15, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention his blogs make him a laughingstock
http://www.operationsports.com/forums/pro-football/273351-marshawn-lynch-blog-sad-how-dude-getting-exposed.html
by pasaluki on Feb 15, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do love that post. Have you read most text messages? They read about the same.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all Cal is unquestionably the best public university in America and one of the best universities, public or private in the world. that’s first. Second, if you don’t see the humor in ghost riding that injury cart, I don’t know what to say to you. Third, indeed, the arrest is justified and if he is indeed guilty, he certainly lacks good judgment. That said, intelligence and judgment are not exactly one in the same.
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by BeastMode on Feb 15, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve read text messages, but Shaq writes more educated comments on Twitter, than Marshawn writes on a blog. And they are funny but it’s more people laughing AT Lynch than with him.
If California is the greatest university in the entire world, you would think that it would educate it’s students how to form basic sentences.
by pasaluki on Feb 15, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, come on. Shaq’s twitter feed is such genius on so many levels. This is a grizzled pro who refers to himself as the Big Aristotle. Trying to expect Beast Mode to replicate the funny is silly.
Take a look at half the yardbarker blogs from athletes, they’re mostly PR statements. I imagine if you asked more athletes to speak from the heart you’d get a lot of Marshawn-like verbage.
by BearsNecessity on Feb 15, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And no one is accusion Marshawn of being a genious here, just a miss guided young man.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude… come on. Are you kidding me? We’re talking about a Yardbarker blog as proof that we should have seen something like this coming?
Absolutely ridiculous. Man, EVERY little thing gets dragged up when somebody does something wrong.
Put all the stupid “ghetto” talk and his upbringing aside. The dude is TWENTY TWO years old. He’s essentially a child. Do we really need to dig into a society of America argument to talk about a breaking sports story? Good Lord.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone old enough to fight and die for their country is NOT a child
He may act like one, but that is a totally different subject.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was saying we should have seen this coming because of who he associated with. He was marked as a character concern from the get go (even in draft talk) and then he had the hit and run incident. When you take these elements combined I’m telling you that I’m not shocked to say the least.
As for the yardbarker blog that was a separate conversation about him not being very bright. Which YOU YOURSELF AGREED WITH:
“I wouldn’t even call him stupid. That is, I wouldn’t have called him stupid until he pulled this after the Plaxico Burress incident. That’d be like Albert Pujols being caught taking steroids after the McGuire fiasco in St. Louis.
So yeah. This was pretty dumb of Lynch. Protecting yourself is one thing; breaking the law to do it is another.”
And Brian I’ll tell you that this WOULDN’T have come up had he NOT done something wrong. Fair or not when your a professional athlete (especially in Buffalo) your every move is watched like a hawk. You bring up Kelly and Thomas and Smith but they didn’t do anything illegal like this.
And your right he is a child. A 22 year old child who is one more big mistake away from ruining his career. If he doesn’t get help we could lose a great running back but some people here are more interested in defending his behavior.
by pasaluki on Feb 15, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea of people here defending his behavior. I think that’s very clearly NOT the case. The only thing they’re defending is against people jumping into the deep end of the pool on this before all the facts come out. You’re already there, friend.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well maybe I am going off the deep end but it’s a defense mechanism, because I want him to succeed.
But I realize that this is strike two and nothing has shown me that he will stop this behavior.
by pasaluki on Feb 15, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1.
its only strike two if the charges stick, that still hasn’t been established.
2. we all want this kid to suceed. i don’t know one bills fan that doesn’t like what he does for us.
lets just wait this on out, shall we?
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It might only be strike 1, since the hit and run was a traffic ticket only.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
god i hope traffic tickets don't count
otherwise half the league would be suspended for speeding lol
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
K...
Are you saying the hit and run was nothing then?
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To the state of California, yes. To Roger Goodell, no.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutly not, he hit someone, and then left the scene.
It was a PR nightmare for the Bills and the league. But when it was all said and done all he got was a trafic ticket (fault in the system anyone). What i’m woundering is if the NFL’s rules go along with that is the final ruling of the law or if they have their own rulings case by case of what constitutes as a strike.
If they go by final rule of law, then i really can’t see a traffic ticket counting as a strike.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying that it resulted in a traffic ticket, a minor fine and not much else. He likely could/should have gotten a harsher punishment, but didn’t, so I’m not sure it counts as a dreaded strike. I’m not implying or saying anything further than that.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad you said this:
“could/should have gotten a harsher punishment”
Otherwise, much respect would have gone right out the window….
What he did last year, again, in my belief, is much worse than today’s revealings…..
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd agree
but in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of the NFL, it’s probably going to be the other way around.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it shouldn’t be, but it probably will be
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I also don’t know exactly what happened, so I don’t want to stick my foot in my mouth. LOL.
I don’t even want to talk about the hit and run last year anymore!
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hold on man
Was what he did stupid? yes, Illigal? at first glace, yes. But we don’t know all the details. like if he co-oporated with police or not, or how the gun was established to be his. and a whole lot of other details here.
Lets not go to the deep end just yet.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
given the situation
it is most likely that he admitted to owning the gun. We will have to wait and see, but why would someone do that if it were not true?
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
I would think that he would be shown more liniancy if he co-opperated from start to finish, but i don’t know. And while him admitting it was his gun is the most likely senario, we do not know all the details. it’s probably just as likely that police assumed it was his gun after they found it in the trunk. once again we don’t know.
Bottum line is that no matter how much we speculate about the situation, the only option we have is to wait and see what happened.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Either that or it was his car and nobody else fessed up to it. Those are really the only two options.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It better be his gun. That gun has a serial number.
A gun purchased legally is very easy to track the ownership of. Now, if he bought it second hand from a “friend”, I am not sure what CA law says about transfer of ownership between private parties.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your right we have to wait and see. It just sucks. If Lynch goes down who do we have left to root for? We got Plane crashes, decapitations, shooting rampages, athletes with guns, what a week.
by pasaluki on Feb 15, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Decapitations? What?
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
shooting rampage:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/02/14/shooting.spree/
decapitation:
http://www.buffalonews.com/437/story/578644.html
plane crash:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-02/14/content_10820357.htm
welcome to western ny
by pasaluki on Feb 15, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow
ok sometimes i’m happy to be living in Canada… sometimes.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Canada some utopian society that I’m unaware of?
:)
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heck no
just somewhat less crime and less violents crimes per capita then the US.
this is not prejudice, i’m just stating simple statistical facts. thats all
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and of corse, we’re more polite :P
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apologies for bringing such gloomy news on Valentine's Day weekend
But hopefully if it receives maximal coverage all the facts will come out and Marshawn should be exonerated in the end.
by BearsNecessity on Feb 15, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No need for apologies my man...
You did a great job breaking that story. I wish you could’ve broken a story with something positive, but (I despise myself for using this next comment)…
It is what it is.
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What a shame
It’s one disappointment after another with this organization. There’s very little to be proud of as a Bills fan these days- it’s really depressing.
The passing of the torch is finally complete.
by Benjamin Salem on Feb 15, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hold on PPL
I can’t believe the amount of ppl that go straight it the conclusion here. We abrely know anything that happened and a lot of ppl are condeming him or saying it looks really bad for the Bills. Ok i’ll agree it looks bad for an orginisation whenever a player gets arrested, but when its minor ppl get over it.
I mean its not like if marshawn fired a gun i a crowded club here or killed anybody, or even pointed the gun at anyone. lets just wait and see what happens.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The issue isn't the arrest
It’s the fact it was handgun possession…right after the Plexico Burress incident…barely a year after a drunk driving issue. If this was a first-time offense I don’t think we’d be as up in arms, but perceptionwise it looks really bad, and at the least very dumb, regardless of whether Marshawn did something wrong or not.
by BearsNecessity on Feb 15, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh i'm not debating the fact that it looks dumb
its downright stupid. i just chose to hold judgement until all of this is over.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s my thought process as well. Before we start slamming the guy’s use of the English language, labeling him a miscreant, and telling him where and when he can live his life, let’s let the situation play itself out. It’s bad, dumb, stupid, any other adjective you want to use that he’s in this situation. But I think everyone is getting a little too far ahead of themselves.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
disappointment brings the worst out in folks......
especially me………
its just sad :(
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 15, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1"
It is sad, but he IS an adult, not a child, and responsible for his actions. Let’s hope for the best – for him and the team! It may all work out for the best, if it helps Marshawn mature as a human being.
by ccthemovieman on Feb 15, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s updated in the post, but I figured I’d add it here, too… couple of updates from the AP…
Culver City police did not immediately return a phone message seeking information about why officers approached Lynch and his companions.
Lynch’s lawyer, M. Gerald Schwartzbach, said his client was not involved in a traffic incident. Schwartzbach said the player was in California to visit friends.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 15, 2009 8:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for putting the update in a post as well
I would have missed it otherwise.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the update
We still don’t know what happened, its still good to have information at this point.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More useless info
Someone is telling me the gun was in the trunk. Does that make a difference?
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if thats the case
i think it does make a difference. shows that there was no malitious intent on Marshawns part. Now lets just hope that if it was in the trunk, than it was Marshawn that showed it to them while co-operating with the police. if that would be the case, then all this just became a much more agreeable situation… if you forget that it was still an illigal firearm.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
According to John's post
By imprisonment in the state prison, or by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both that fine and imprisonment if both of the following conditions are met:
(A) Both the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person and the unexpended ammunition capable of being discharged from that firearm are either in the immediate possession of the person or readily accessible to that person, or the pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person is loaded as defined in subdivision (g) of Section 12031.
I read this to mean if the gun was unloaded he would be OK, but if it was loaded in the trunk he would still be screwed.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Logic would dictate
if you have it on you, you load it, if you keep it in your trunk, it isn’t. that being said, i think having a gun is illogical in the first place, so you could probably throw that reasoning right out the window.
whichever the situation is, i think he’s got a much better chance of getting lesser charges if he co-operated the whole way through. maybe strike a deal for no jail time or something…. heres hopping.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This law applies to people without a concealed weapons permit.
It would be legal to have a legally registered gun in the trunk unloaded with the bullets right next to the gun. If you have a permit to carry concealed, the gun can, of course, be loaded.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking more on a PR standpoint that it would look better
I wont even pretend to know all the legal issues involved here. except to say that if he had an illigal firearm and the charges do stick (people seem to forget that that’s not always a given), then i do expect some sort of penalty, whether it be jail time, on immidiat parole or simply comunity service remains to be seen. but if the charges do stick, he will get something, no doubt about it…. damn.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My guess would be that it doesn’t make the charges any lower. He will still be charged with the same crime as if the gun was in his pocket. I would assume that the punishment, both from a legal standpoint and especially when considering a suspension, would be less if the gun was in the trunk as opposed to the glove compartment or somewhere he could just reach and grab it.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I read John's post right, if the gun was in the trunk
and unloaded, there should be no charge. So, either the cops screwed up or Lynch did.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, if the gun is loaded, it being in the trunk won’t help him until sentencing. I’m assuming that when the legal code say “concealed in the car”, that the trunk is considered part of the car.
I do think it is a mitigating situation where, if found guilty, the punishment will be a little lower than if the gun was in his pocket. I wouldn’t know for sure though.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think we're all hoping
that it was either unloaded, or that he’ll be shown a little liniancy because it was in the trunk. Anything that wakes him up without having to see jail time is good with me… speaking strickly as a fan.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 15, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a quote about the definition of concealed when in a car in CA:
Carrying a handgun concealed within a vehicle is prohibited without a license. A handgun carried in a glove compartment or under the seat of a vehicle is considered to be concealed. A handgun placed in the trunk of an automobile, or locked in a container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment or while in a locked container carried directly to or from a vehicle is deemed not to be "concealed." A locked container means a fully enclosed secure container locked by a key lock or similar locking device.
(source)
That sounds like the gun could even be loaded in the trunk, and wouldn’t be considered “concealed”…
by Krenn on Feb 16, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So why would he have been arrested for having a concealed weapon since it was reported to be in the trunk? hmmm
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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the "in the trunk"
statement has been confirmed yet, but it sure seems like he would be OK unless there are other facts we are not aware of yet.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
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by Joe P. on Feb 16, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one
who wants to see his mug shot?!?!
The Smoking Gun will probably have it soon.
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You’re not the only rubber-necker here…
by krytime on Feb 15, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We ALL want to see it, I’m sure. If you aren’t curious to see Lynch’s mugshot, you must have no sense of humor
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by Kurupt on Feb 15, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There seems to be a black cloud hangning over the city of Buffalo and,
for that, I sincerely feel bad for people.
My curiosity is that if Lynch had his license revoked, was he NOT driving the Benz; was it not his car? If he wasn’t and it wasn’t, then the gun had to be placed in there very recently, so then it takes on a whole new level of interest. Does he carry it on him at all times? This could get ugly if the courts want it to.
I’m no longer on the Lynch bandwagon and no part of his likeness will I endorse. There’s too many other outstanding players with high character. I could care less if he’s a physical asset to this team. I think he needs to be treated like any other American in the court of law. He shouldn’t lose his job if it’s not affecting his play and not affecting the organization that employs him – like the benefit you or I would be afford.
If he clams up about this, i’ll be even more disappointed. His pout-fest last season because he was “mistreated” by the media looks ridiculous now. He obviously has some significant character flaws. These guys want to be treated like Roman and Greek gods, and be paid like Bill Gates. Because of this, they need to be scrutinized more than others.
I do think the Bills will put serious heat on him, and won’t sit back waiting for his next “mistake.”
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 15, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lynch can still legally own a car, he just can't drive it.
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by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, I gotta remember to turn avatars off when I get to work.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 15, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"dude, I gotta remember to turn avatars off when I get to work."
If anyone knows how to turn the avatars off, please let me know.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 16, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Click on your name. Go to Edit Settings in your SB Nation profile. Go do to Display member avatars / profile images? and click no, Update. That should do it.
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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2009 1:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to cause a problem
I can find another avatar.
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by Joe P. on Feb 16, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No problem. You’re avatar is fine. We’re talking a picture smaller than a postage stamp. You can see more in women’s magazines.
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by keuka121 on Feb 16, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He actually fought that and got his license back.
by kaisertown on Feb 15, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good to know......thanks
Teach your children about the four seasons: preseason, regular season, postseason, and off-season
by Joe P. on Feb 15, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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