Where the Bills stand with the salary cap
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To put it lightly, things aren't going well for the Buffalo Bills at the moment. The team's decision to retain head coach Dick Jauron was met with vitriol from its fan base; those sentiments will remain prevalent until the Bills make the playoffs or the team moves in a different direction. Buffalo has also seen two of its players get arrested in less than two months since the 2008 regular season ended. They've got an upcoming contract squabble with left tackle Jason Peters, and did I mention that the team has gone nine seasons without a playoff berth?
If Buffalo wants to sell tickets, let alone try to put together a winning football team (I know! What a novel concept!), they're going to have to shell out a little dinero this off-season. They've got several weaknesses to fix while simultaneously waiting for their starting quarterback to mature. The team is skating on thin ice, and they've got the weight of off-season issues, an irate fan base and mountainous contracts on their back. They need to get to work; if they don't, they'll find themselves in the icy depths of NFL obscurity.
Thankfully, Buffalo should have the means to re-energize the fan base this off-season. After all, if you can't put a winning product on the field, you might as well make a splash somehow, right? According to recent Buffalo News figures, the Bills could very well find themselves with over $40 million in spending money. That is, if they have the stones to make some bold (for them) moves.
The 2009 NFL Salary Cap
Next year's salary cap - the one that becomes important when the free agent signing period opens on February 27 - is set at $123 million. Currently, the News projects Buffalo's team salary at around $99 million. The $24 million difference is the baseline amount of cap space the team can use to sign free agents in under two weeks' time. However, as Mark Gaughan points out, there are several ways in which the Bills can increase that figure.
First thing's first - the $123 million league cap figure isn't static. NFL teams use what are called "Not Likely to be Earned Incentives" to increase their cap figures on an annual basis. These incentives are built into contracts and count against the salary cap for a given year; however, if they're not earned in a given year, the total of the bonus is added to the salary cap next season. (For example - if Spencer Johnson was to earn an extra $1.5 million last season if he picked up ten sacks, that $1.5 million counted against the 2008 salary cap. Since Johnson obviously did not pick up ten sacks, that $1.5 million would then be added to the $123 million figure this year, thus "increasing" Buffalo's actual salary cap figure.)
The News projects Buffalo's NLTBE Incentives at roughly $10 million. That increases Buffalo's actual cap figure to $133 million, and their actual spending money to $34 million. And for those of you who don't think the Bills spend to even the league cap figure, well, Gaughan's got you covered there, too (emphasis mine, not his)...
In 2007, the Bills spent about $3 million more than the league-wide cap of $109 million. Last year Buffalo was about $12 million under the $116 million cap in real cash spending, according to News figures. That was fairly common for the NFL. Only 10 of 32 teams spent more than $116 million in actual cash, according to ESPN's John Clayton.
Obviously, the fact that the Bills have over-spent the league cap within the past two years isn't an indicator that they'll do it this year, particularly in the current economic climate. But it's proof that the team is willing to spend money, if handing out ridiculous contracts to free agents over the past two years wasn't proof enough. With the extra $10 million in NLTBE Incentives in mind, the time is ripe for Buffalo to once again spend a little extra, even if it's only to placate the fan base.
Releasable Players
Gaughan also gets into the finer print of Buffalo's current salary structure, offering up cap figures for several of Buffalo's pricier veterans. In the article, he lists TE Robert Royal ($2.23 million) and DT John McCargo ($1.83 million) as high-priced players who may be released. I'll add one more name to his list: DE Chris Kelsay, who is scheduled to count $5.6 million against the team's salary cap next season, making him the team's fourth-highest paid player (behind Lee Evans, Aaron Schobel and Derrick Dockery).
I understand that Buffalo's coaching staff likes Kelsay, but he simply can't be on this team for $5.6 million considering his current production level. At a minimum, the team should ask him to restructure his deal. If I had things my way, they'd cut him outright.
Assuming the Bills release all three of these players - and if there's anyone on the team with high chances of being released, these are the first three guys likely to be named - Buffalo would save an additional $7 million against next year's cap (subtracting the bonus money of Royal and Kelsay, which would still count against the cap). That would mean that even without possibly restructuring deals (Schobel? Dockery?) or cutting additional roster fat like FS Ko Simpson, the team could easily find itself with $41 million to spend.
Dear Bills: SPEND IT
Buffalo is already a team that annually hovers at around .500. They're going to have to deal with one of the league's toughest schedules next season, as they're slated to face one of the league's toughest divisions (NFC South), the AFC's toughest division (AFC South), and an AFC East which is constantly improving and will feature the return of all-world QB Tom Brady. If the Bills want to sell themselves as competitors against a slate like that, they're going to have to make some moves to fortify their many weaknesses.
"Cash to the cap" isn't going anywhere. Buffalo will still keep themselves under that $133 million inflated figure, and at best, they'll stay as close to the $123 million figure as possible. (If they aim low, they'll still have just under $34 million to spend.) But the money is there, and the Bills had better use it.
Gaughan is bang on when he calls Peters the big question surrounding what the team does via free agency. If the Bills find a way to extend him, how likely is it that they pursue a center via free agency? If they did that, their entire offensive front would have received lucrative deals; that rarely happens. So not only does the Peters decision effect their salary cap structure, it very likely will have an impact on how they strategically approach adding players via free agency as well.
Bottom line is this: I don't care how it's done. The Bills need to get better on the field (and we'll leave the off the field stuff for previous threads, but they could certainly use a boost there as well). They've got an opportunity to do it, and that $41 million figure isn't going anywhere. They should have that much to spend. If they don't end up with that total, then the team, simply put, isn't doing everything it can to get better. If that figure isn't reached, you can add their approach to the off-season to the mounting pile of angst that surrounds the Buffalo Bills organization.
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… a cliffhanger.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
kaisertown.....are you there???? Don't die on us!!!!
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
If he was dead, he wouldn’t have hit the post button. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
time warp......abducted by aliens?????
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
So Buffalo has about $44 million to spend when NLTBE incentives (like Shobel’s special teams incentive) are counted and Royal, McCargo and Kelsay all get the axe? Even if the geam does (groan) keep Kelsay that still leaves them a little over $38 million. That should be more than enough to re-do Peters’ deal and make a run at Suggs or Peppers.
Who was the other guy arrested this offseason? I just can’t think of him….
Mr. I am worth Millions
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
Yeah, Ko Simpson
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Hey, Brian
you should like me new avatar.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
Wow!
How could I forget that??? I think I blotted out the arrest part from my mind. The line was just too hilarious to even need a context.
by Ron From NM on Feb 16, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, heck yes I do. Little Shaak Ti never hurt anyone.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
I think you might have been the only one who would know that around here.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Play enough LEGO Star Wars and you’ll know all the characters, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Couple quick things that are unrelated to my insightful first post:
cutting Kelsay doesn’t save the Bills anywhere near 5.7 mil of cap space. 2 mil of his 09 and 2 mil of his 2010 cap hits are signing bonus money and that would all count against the cap next year if you cut him. So if cut, Kelsay will still have a 4 mil cap hit for this season and he would save the Bills 3 mil in real dollars (meaning a salary that they no longer won’t have to pay him). The big salary cap payoff for cutting Kelsay comes in 2010 when about a 6 mil cap hit is gone.
Royal got a 2.5 mil signing bonus on his 4 year contract so he would still count for a little over 1.2 mil against the salary cap if released. The Bills would save over 1.5 mil in their cash to cap philosophy by cutting Royal though.
McCargo didn’t actually get a signing bonus so I think his whole number would come off the cap, but I know that at least some of his salary and/or bonuses are guaranteed for this season. Cutting McCargo might free up some cap space (I’m not sure if that guaranteed money still counts or not), but he will reamain on the cash to cap books in some capacity.
I knew I’d skip something. Re-adjusting for your factually correct knowledge, the total drops to about $41.1 million.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Still a large enough number to make a splash
what i think OBD will do it cut royal, mccargo and simpson, keep kelsey (thus pissing me off for the duration of the season) and go after 3 or 4 second tier FA’s. I honestly don’t se them making a serious pitch at Suggs or Peppers… maybe brown, but thats about it for upper echelon players.
Re-seigning Peters is a must, but i honestly think if you sign a centre like Brown or Birk, then you can trade Peters for GREAT value in this draft.
I think they’ll spend about 20M on signing FA’s and resigning their players, probably between 10 to 5M in the draft, and thats it.
I’m still pissed that they’ll keep Kelsey though (sorry, i’m a pessimist when it comes what they’ll do with him)
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
well
sure the money is there, and I am confident, just like last off-season the Bills FO will have a smart approach to getting this team better. I think the last thing they need to do is go spend money wildly on high priced FA’s though. I’d much rather see the money invested in Peters’ than some risky FA signee. But, when you make deals for Schobel & Kelsay, you have to cut your losses. They won’t cut Schobel so Kelsay HAS to go. He just isn’t worth anything close to $5.6 million. The Bills need to do the following:
1) Sign a FA Center: Birk or Brown
2) Draft a DE at #11
3) Sign or Trade Peters. If you do trade him, use the arsenal to pursue a big-time WR/pass-catching TE
I don’t WANT or desire huge money being spent in FA. It’s just not the way to build a team. Using McGahee as trade bait worked out well. Doing the same for Peters may be in the Bills’ best interest. Save huge MONEY, get valuable draft picks, and if as everyone says, Demetrius Bell is so good, throw him into the fire next year, with Chambers as a valuable backup.
MARVelous
From the article…
Gaughan is bang on when he calls Peters the big question surrounding what the team does via free agency. If the Bills find a way to extend him, how likely is it that they pursue a center via free agency? If they did that, their entire offensive front would have received lucrative deals; that rarely happens. So not only does the Peters decision effect their salary cap structure, it very likely will have an impact on how they strategically approach adding players via free agency as well.
I’d love to hear you address this in regards to the plan you just proposed.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Can’t we just dump Dockery then? Or make him restructure? That’s the contract that’d be the elephant in the room.
~K
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That’s an option. I don’t think I’d dump him, but I’d definitely be asking for some help with a restructure.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Even if he’s making $5M a year, he’s still vastly overpaid. Dockery is a $2-3M per season type player, not a $7M per….UGGGGGGGGGGH!!!!!!!!!
~K
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yeah but if we want big name FA'S
we gotta over pay… then regret it for the next 5 years
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Down in the Dc area, the Redskins were proud that they didn’t “overpay” for Dockery. now they have an aging decrepit line and no prospects. Boy could they use him now. This is the market and what we have to do, overpay for some. Ultimately, though, the fact that the center position is the only position that we clamoring about means that the investment in the OL has been worth it.
The counter to the necessary evil of market-based over-valued FAs is to develop talent and I guees Peters and maybe Bell balance things out.
Well this year, Dock actually is only making 2.75 mil. I think cutting him now would be a terrible move. The cap hit would be well over 11 mil for next season. He makes 4.5 mil next year and and then over 5.5 a year after that. I think Dockery could realistically be cut after the 2010 season.
How is his cap hit over $11M if his salary is only $4.5M next year? Half of his $16M signing bonus was paid right away.
Ok he’s cheap enough this year, but when his salary starts going up, he’s got to go if he doesn’t get any better on the field.
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
I meant that his cap hit would be over 11 mil if Buffalo released him. 16 mil signing bonus with 5 years left on his deal.
I said that all wrong. He makes 2.7 mil next year and 4.5 in 2010. 5.5 in 2011 and 6.5 during the last two years of his deal.
So you can’t cut him yet (he’s actually cheap this coming season) and cutting him after this season probably isn’t wise either. After 2010 is when we can start Dock gets cut watch.
Even though half the signing bonus was paid immediately, we still have to prorate it on the cap? That would stink.
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
Preston regularly outplayed Dock as a guard.
Now i know i’ll get some flack for this, mainly cause preston did such a bad job as a centre. But as a guard he did pretty well. He’s more of an all around guard than Dock s and is MUCH CHEAPER.
Just saying it’s an option. if we’re really looking to unload some money, i see that as a better option than trading away Peters. and it permits us to go after a FA centre without having to worry about salery.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
As kaisertown mentioned, cutting Dockery is NOT advisable this year from a salary standpoint.
There. I disagreed with you without addressing your “Preston is an alternate option to Dockery” claim. But I disagree with you there as well. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Some around here love Preston, or at least tolerate him enough to want to keep him around. I’ve said it before and I will expand on it now.
Preston, Kelsay, and Fowler should share a cab ride to the airport. Stick Royal in the trunk while your at it.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Can you imagine what Preston, Kelsay, and Fowlers would feel like if they ever read what is said about them here?
I can almost see the look on Kelsay’s face when he says, “Wait till I get my hands on this Kurupt guy.”
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Have you seen Kelsay’s arms? Dud DE or not, Kelsay would squash K’s head like a water bug.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
As long as the thing is caught on tape and posted on Youtube so we can post it here, that would be cool.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Youtube, try CNN
I can just see it now, NFL DE kills local fan over comments posted on the internet.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Luckily, all I’d have to do is take a few steps forward and Kelsay would go running by me.
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 16, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
HAHAH
rec’d
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 16, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, what CanadianBillsFan said. Rarely do comments here make me laugh out loud, like, literal LOL-ing. This was one of them.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
You want flack? I got your flack right here!
Actually, you don’t even need me. Marv Levy publicly called Preston out before the 2007 OTAs and camp began. How often is a starter called out by the GM? Oh, and then Preston lost his job after Butler played one preseason game.
Preston didn’t outplay Dock as a guard, regularly or otherwise. If the goal is to field the cheapest guy at guard why not just head down to Applebees and sign a guy who is about 6’5" and 300#?
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I see the point….but Birk is not a guy that will break the bank, whereas Brown is younger and would need a long term deal. The more and more I look at the Peters situation the more and more I want to trade him if you acquire a first round pick or a stud offensive weapon.
I just keep hearing about Bell, and Modrak in his interview with CB on bb.com said that he expects to see him on the field this year. Now what capacity is unknown. I just think the Bills must be thinking “he is not worth $40-$50 million…..what can we get for him….if we don’t pay him or deal him will he play in 2009?” The nice thing is, they don’t need to deal him before the draft, cuz they have Bell waiting in the wings with Chambers if they resign him to play LT in 2009. So worse-case, they trade him in June/July when some team realizes they need a LT more than ever, they get a 2010 1st round pick and build for the future that way.
Trading Peters allows you to get your C in FA, pay Bell virtually nothing, and allow you to use that #11 pick on the defensive front 7.
MARVelous
This is a good article Brian
but it still makes me sad. Starting out with all the issues plaguing this circus of a team, seeing the overpaid bums mentioned, and knowing the team won’t spend all the money, nor is there much to spend it on is really depressing. The biggest move they’re likely to make is resigning Peters or going after a LB. Honestly, can anyone truly see this franchise not only going have a big name, but actually being smart enough to get it done?
This team has had PLENTY of opportunities to improve on the field in recent years, but hasn’t come close to doing so. It’s tough to have any faith in such a dysfunctional front office, even if you have $40M in cap space.
~K
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come on K
i don’t man…i thought last year was a great off-season, and this season will be solid as well. They’ll get a DE at #11, and hopefully they’ll cut Kelsay. If not, hopefully next off-season. They can’t just go buy FA’s…..they have their 7 draft picks, and then maybe 1-2 mid-level FA’s. They don’t have the money nor should they IMO, go after Suggs or someone else. They have to continue with the financial discipline and drafting well. The only way we get a “BIG-OFFSEASON” by fan standards, is if Peters is traded and we shake it up with another stroud-type trade or we get another 1st round pick. Everyone needs to chill out. This team will be better next year, and as always it will simply come down to Edwards/Turk. Defense was better last year and will be better next year with a healthy Schobel, Poz in year 2, McKelvin growin, etc
MARVelous
Defense was better last year and will be better next year with a healthy Schobel, Poz in year 2, McKelvin growin
our defense is about to get exposed next year with offenses like Saints, Colts, Tenn, Texans – i bet all of these teams shred our D. I’m not sure why it is thought that our defense is even relatively good – obviously not as bad as say the Lions or something – but we just played one of the easiest schedules in the league and the only team resembling anything like a playoff offense completely shredded us – BAD. we played decent against SD – but obviously they were in a slump and needed to get out.
i’ve said it for a while now – fewell is in over his head and when we play these good teams – we will all be pining for a way to stop them. obviously talent will help – but i still think fewell is outmatched
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider
by J2 on Feb 16, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah
hey hey, ho ho, this kelsay party’s got to go
~K
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Cheers
to you Brian on a great article factually and a great read. That being said, the Bills have the opportunity to change an abundance of personnel this year and I DON’T SEE IT HAPPENING.
As bad as it sounds I think that they keep Kelsay and MAYBE Simpson around. Not only eating up cap space but not helping the team out. The FO is terrible and so is the coaching.
They really MUST sign Peters to show the rest of the league that they are willing to keep and pay top notch players.
If the Bills fail to sign Peters or they simply let him walk I promise you, you will never hear or see me again on this site.
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
They really MUST sign Peters to show the rest of the league that they are willing to keep and pay top notch players.
I can think of better reasons to sign players.
The FO is terrible and so is the coaching.
I’m sorry, but that statement isn’t a sound, logical building block for your “I don’t see an abundance of personnel change happening” argument.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
If the Bills fail to sign Peters or they simply let him walk I promise you, you will never hear or see me again on this site.
He’s not walking anywhere. he is still under contract. He wants an extension and a raise. If the Bills don’t give it to him and he chooses to sit out, he still can’t go anywhere, and that year doesn’t count. Right now he has to play for the Bills next year or the Bills get compensated for him leaving.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
agreed
FO is what it is. We had to overpay for Dockery and at the time the deal was needed for the OL….it was one deal, Scobel & Kelsay were self-inflicted deals……that we are paying the piper for….but going out and overpaying for FA’s that may turn out like Dockery is not the way to build a team. Drafting, and hitting on guys 60/40 like we have in the last 3 years is the way to go
MARVelous
The Only People in the Bills Organization that are over paid are the People
that built this team. None of the players are over paid. That being said, I would not be unhappy to see some players who have not panned out cut or traded ( like every D-lineman and linebacker except for Stroud). Our secondary would think they have died and gone to heaven if they played behind a front seven that could force a QB to throw within 15 seconds. With the current state of affairs you would hope the Bills will make some moves to improve the teams performance. But I don’t see it happening with the OVERPAID people in charge of building next years team.
The Only People in the Bills Organization that are over paid are the People that built this team.
OK, understand the sentiment…
None of the players are over paid.
… but the previous does not make the latter false. There are most certainly players on the team that are overpaid.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Brian, Please tell me how you come to the conclusion that any player on the Bills roster is over paid?
I’ll answer your question with a question: do you REALLY think Chris Kelsay is worth $5.6 million?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yes he is. The reason is his contract was negociated and agreed to by the Bills based on their evalution of him in relationship to other DE available at the time they offered the contrct to him. It was the Bills choice and contract amount not Kelsey’s. To give you an example; Larry Fitzgerald recieved a new contract that included a $14 million dollar signing bonus. Not to mention his 2008 salary, he caught 12 TD passes during the season. At $1,166,666,666 per TD, was he overpaid?
So basically what you’re saying is every athlete is overpaid, and the Bills were stupid to give too much money to a guy who’s not very good?
I agree, but that doesn’t change the fact that Kelsay is overpaid. So I’m not really sure where you’re going with this.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Brian - Nice use of the word "vitriol" in the second paragragh.
This is a good article. After reading Gaughan’s article yesterday and this, I didn’t realize they had so much cap room available. The thing I missed all along was the NLTBE money.
Still, I’m sticking to my prediction that they don’t spend lavishly in a few weeks. Call it a gut feeling now. I just hope if they do spend some money, they make the most out of it. I hope they won’t knee-jerk into signing names just to placate an evaporating season ticket base.
Not sure how relevant cap space is anymore
If teams really get the feeling that 2010 will be uncapped, the amount of cap space teams have this year will become pretty irrelevant in my opinion.
Teams can just load up on free agents by pushing the majority of the cap hit into the 2010 season, right? That’s not going to work for the Bills cash for crap philosophy.
by Make a play Whitner on Feb 16, 2009 3:07 PM EST reply actions
If you read Gaughan’s article, you’ll realize that EVERY NFL team abides by the cash to cap philosophy. So relevant or not, everyone’s in the same boat.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, but..
Well, it said almost all, not EVERY NFL team.
I’m not concerned about having to outbid a team like the Bengals or Saints for a big-ticket free agent.
I’m talking about teams like Dallas, Washington, the Jets and Giants, Eagles, etc. Cash cow teams (a couple coming in to brand new stadiums that will just further boost their revenue) that don’t care how much money they spend.
I’m out of touch with the specifics of the cap and whether there are rules prohibiting giant swings in base salary over the course of a deal. But if there aren’t, take a guy like Peppers for example.
Just in theory, say Washington wants him and they offer something outrageous like 6 years, 100 million (including a 20 million dollar signing bonus). Then they put the base salaries at 3M, 25M, 13M, 13M, 13M, 13M. It would be a modest cap hit of 6 million or so next year, no cap hit obviously in the uncapped year, and then if there’s a new CBA they can just cut him if they so desire. It works for Peppers because he makes 48 million over 3 years, and then if they release him because of a high cap hit with the new CBA, he’s still relatively young and can go repeat the process with someone else.
Just a thought…
by Make a play Whitner on Feb 16, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Well, the Bills aren’t in a good position to add only one or two of the “elite” names as it is. If you’re concerned about Buffalo’s inability to compete with teams for the services of a Jason Brown or a Leroy Hill, you’re wrong. Those are the high-end guys that the Bills typically target, so I don’t even consider players like Ray Lewis, Terrell Suggs and Peppers a part of the conversation here.
Bottom line is, the guys that the Bills want to go after will be attainable.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. And they could certainly use Brown or Hill, or both. I can’t imagine the money for either of those two getting ridiculous, so maybe they can land one.
But the fact remains (and really bothers me), that if one of the “big market” teams values a player like those you listed as much as the Bills do, they’ll be in better position to pay the guy without having to worry about the cap in 2010 at least as things stand right now.
Hopefully the CBA gets worked out and nothing comes of it. But the uncapped 2010 presents a lot of problems if teams are allowed to re-structure contracts for it.
by Make a play Whitner on Feb 16, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
A little off target
but if you want a player that may be affordable to the Bills, look at Antonio Bryant. He would be a real upgrade.
Bryant will almost certainly get the franchise tag from Tampa.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve been doing a little research on him (and 50 other free agents – you’ll have the fruits of that labor soon), and I’m not impressed with Clayton at all.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions
heres a reason why Clayton is being let go by the ravens.
he’s as big a flop for them and donte is for us
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
He’s potentially being let go, and by the Bucs. He wants to re-sign there, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Did i say ravens, i ment the bucs...
was thinking mark clayton for a sec there, not micheal
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
For starters, can I say that Clayton was drafted in 2004!
He has had four consecutive poor seasons. Since Clayton’s 2005 letdown, Tampa has drafted Maurice Stovall and signed Ike Hilliard and Antonio Bryant.
Whitner got a rookie contract twice as big as Clayton’s so Tampa doesn’t have to deal with harsh cap hits or anything of the sort by cutting Clayton.
You could also say that Whitner has never had as dissapointing of a season as Clayton has had 3 or 4 years in a row.
so your saying Clayton is a bigger flop than whitner?
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Brian – I thought you mentioned once or twice that you liked him as an under the radar WR. What changed your mind? Do tell…
I still have him on my short list. I just like a lot of guys more.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
He’s proven to be nothing special. I can’t believe after his rookie year, when he was excellent, that’d he be such a bum afterwards. Sure, he may just need a change of scenery, but watching that guy drop passes like he’s Braylon Edwards is kind of pathetic. I want a reliable veteran if that’s the route we go. I’m not sure a guy who’s struggled is the type to go after. That’s why Toomer makes a lot of sense.
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There’s not a lot available at WR this year via free agency. Assuming Bryant gets the tag in TB, it’s Houshmandzadeh and Toomer as far as reliability goes. If the Bills want Toomer, they’ll have to pursue him early and aggressively. I’m not sure we can afford to do that.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
and Panda
There are a lot of players more reliable than Clayton
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Panda isn’t exactly reliable…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
He’s more reliable than we’ve got, and he’s many times more reliable than Clayton.
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I disagree with the “many times” sentiment, but yeah, obviously he’s more reliable than Clayton. That’s not hard.
Toomer is #1 on my WR list, with Panda and Reggie Williams essentially 1A.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
We can clean house considering some of the guys, like Kelsay, Royal and Fowler, who the Bills have handed out more than reasonable contracts to, cut them, and bring in FAs or rookies with equal or better talent for less, or even top notch talent at certain positions of need
The Bills CAN win every game
Fowler is already a UFA, so we’d save nothing by letting him walk.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 16, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
Spend Spend Spend......
on worthwhile folks…….I could care less about cutting Kelsay or Dock..if you bring in better players around these guys they might just play better and earn their money……for once.
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 16, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions
I dont want either one cut.........
I think they can be fine……
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 16, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions
who would replace dock?
i dunno? just off the top of my head…Mike Goff, Chris Neole, maybe Lennie Friedman or Adrian Jones. Any of those would be good replacements.
Sure Goff and Neole would probably cost as much, if not more than Dock, but at least they’d earn all their cash.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 16, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Sure Goff and Neole would probably cost as much, if not more than Dock, but at least they’d earn all their cash.
What? Dock has yet to live up to his contract, but that doesn’t make him a bad player. He is better than all the guys you listed (probably by a lot). The problem Bills fans have with Dockery is that he is an average guard being compensated like one of the elite.
Here is an article from ESPN that lists Dock as the 12th best FA available, regardless of postion. He isn’t a bad player he was just WAY overpaid by the Bills.
None of those guys would cost anywhere near what Dockery costs, but that is because none of those guys are anywhere near as good as Dock is.
he's better than all those guy?
None of those guys let go the amount of sacks that Dock did.
as for the 12th best FA overall… yeah, in 2007! I’m sorry, i’m a what have you done for me latly kinda guy when it come to FA that we signed to big contracts, and what has dock done for us latly?
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 17, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions

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