Free Agency by Buffalo's Book: Defining Targets
With the NFL's free agent signing period set to begin in less than two weeks' time, each NFL franchise is going through similar preparations for the league's annual spending spree. Luckily for us, the Buffalo Bills have been vaguely specific about their process - currently in progress - of addressing their roster holes. In a recent article from Chris Brown (the team journalist, not the allegedly violent R&B artist), several members of the Bills' pro personnel department lent some insight into the team's strategy in determining the best course of action for fixing their team.
In the days leading up to the start of free agency, I'll be running through each step of this process in an effort to put together my own, personal game plan which, if things go swimmingly, will be infinitely worse than the Bills' own plan. Part one of that plan is complete, as we've dealt with the team's own free agents.. This is an opportunity to outline just how difficult strengthening your team via free agency really is, and it's also an opportunity for the rest of you fine, intelligent folks to string together your own game plans as well. Next up in the process? Our preliminary free agent list.
From the horse's mouth
Once VP of Pro Personnel John Guy and his staff - in collaboration with Buffalo's decision-makers - have ironed out their plan regarding team free agents (see link above), the next step in the process is described thusly...
"We'll identify the three or four positions on either side of the ball that we're going to focus on. From there you go to the list. So if linebacker is a position of need, we'll go to the free agent list and kind of narrow that down... and then we'll identify primary targets."
Needs, full free agent list, target free agent list. Got it. We identified four needs on both sides of the ball in our first evaluation step, but just for the sake of clarity, we'll re-iterate those here. Prioritized needs for offense and defense are defined below.
Offense: TE, C, QB, FB
Defense: DE, SLB, DT, S
With more than 300 free agents in the NFL this year, putting together a full list can be painstaking work. But hey - we're running the Buffalo Bills right now. Of course we have a full free agent list. It's broken down by position and by free agent status; anyone can view the full list of free agents here. This list will remain up-to-date throughout the entire NFL off-season.
Identifying Targets
The real meat to this step in the pre-free-agency evaluation is scouring the free agent list for guys worth further investigation. Since I'm the John Guy in this scenario and y'all are Ralph Wilson's vaunted "inner circle", I've taken the liberty. Listed here are 45 free agents that I've identified as talent-worthy and scheme-worthy fits for the Buffalo Bills. This list is dynamic as well, meaning it's constantly updated. For example, Cardinals LB Karlos Dansby was on the list until late Monday evening, getting scratched only because Arizona is about to slap him with the franchise tag.
Each name on the list is accompanied by strengths, weaknesses and grades as distributed by Scouts, Inc. (Hey, who are we kidding - I'm only pretending to be John Guy, and my scouting staff consists of every imaginary friend I chilled with through age six.) Scouts, Inc.'s grading rubric is here; that rubric helps define the type of role we can expect each player to assume in Buffalo, but most of the names on this list have a bit of growth potential as well.
Names on this list are mostly centralized around the eight needs defined above, obviously. But other positions are included as well, and I'll rationalize those for you now.
RB: Marshawn Lynch just got arrested, in case you haven't heard. The case I've been making for a #3 running back is now really a case for a #2A. It's not mandatory that we sign a running back, but it's certainly wise to keep our options open.
WR: We've got five guys sticking around for next year at wideout, but if we can find a good fit in terms of a possession receiver that can play on the outside, that type of player is worth pursuing.
TE: No, there aren't any tight ends on this list, and that's mostly because this year's crop of free agent tight ends are a bunch of duffers.
OT: We'll negotiate with Jason Peters, but it's nice to have a couple of targets as insurance should we be forced to move the big fella.
CB: I've already made clear my plan to let Jabari Greer bolt as a free agent. I'm looking to bring in a veteran that can push Buffalo's sub-package corners, Ashton Youboty and Reggie Corner, and really round out Buffalo's depth in the defensive backfield.
Note: the recent Lynch arrest has no effect on my off-season plans in terms of strategically filling needs. The only effects seen as a result of the arrest are some extra names at the RB position on my targets list.
What's Next?
So there it is - step two, our preliminary targets list, is complete. Feel free to peruse it and offer feedback, but just remember that I'm John Guy, here. I'm stubborn as a mule, so it'll take a lot of convincing for me to alter the list. But it can be done!
In another installment of "From the Horse's Mouth", here's what's next for the Bills' free agency plans...
"Once they highlight a particular player or a group of players there's a meeting with coach Jauron and the coordinators and our top executives will be there and decisions will be made on which direction we want to go."
Let's go ahead and do that now, folks. It probably won't be surprising, but list your top targets anyways. I'll take everything into consideration - you are the "inner circle", after all - and I'll hit you up later this week with our trimmed down secondary targets list, which we'll use to begin strategizing our free agency plan. Take it away, members of the inner circle!
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C – Matt Birk, then draft his replacement in round 2 (Wood) or 3 (Luigs).
OLB – Leroy Hill – I don’t see them moving Poz this year.
SS- Sean Jones – And move Whitner to FS after teaching him how to tackle.
Would that be considered a “Big Splash”????
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by Joe P. on Feb 17, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All three? Yeah, I would consider that a ginormous splash.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd sign up for that
To me a “big splash” in free agency would be three solid starters. Anything less than that and Buffalo will have too many holes left before the draft to go with the best players available in every round.
The passing of the torch is finally complete.
by Benjamin Salem on Feb 17, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha. Wouldn’t that be nice, to go into a draft with zero or or one glaring need, rather than half the team?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can do that?
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 17, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what I had in mind.....
Except that I’d add Suggs! That will be my ultimate FA signings for the Bills this offseason. But if they can get 3/4, I’d be satisfied.
We just can’t expect rookies to come in to start and make an immediate impact. Sure, we want them to, but to EXPECT it is not wise. If we want to improve our record for next season, we must fill ALL major holes in FA. The draft is more of an insurance + laying a solid foundation for the future.
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by moncheri on Feb 17, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll just say now that there’s a 0% chance that the Bills will sign three of Suggs, Birk, Hill and Jones. 0%.
Two might even be a pipe dream.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But can the inner circle dream a little? =)
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by moncheri on Feb 17, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, fair enough.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, If we concentrate hard on those 4 name, i see getting two of them as a good possiblity and 3 as a pipedream.
i’d go after Birk and Hill
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 17, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Better concentrate harder, because Suggs is getting the franchise tag tomorrow. So… 3/3?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then go hard after all 3
and see what happens.
I’m gonna be realistic an admit theres no chance in hell that we land all three of Birk, Hill and Jones, but it deffinatly wouldn’t hurt to try. My goal would be 2 out of 3, preferably Birk and Hill.
That being said if Atogwa somehow makes it out of St.Louis, then he’d be my firs target with Birk being 1A.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 17, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would help. The usual mantra is that free agent spending doesn’t usually translate to championships. I think at the end of the day it’s the Donte Whitners’ of the world and his friends drafted in the last few years that are going to make or break this season. If they step up, we’re golden, If not, we’re screwed. Getting Birk would definitely smooth things out though.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 18, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it'll
be interesting to see how this all plays out. With FA only 10 days away, finally the off-season is about to fully begin. I am so interested in how the Peters deal unfolds. I wonder what the percentage is of him coming back and just playing next season with no new deal and the Bills saying, “Jason, you go out, do every OTA, minicamp, training camp, have a good year and in 2010 we will make sure you get a big deal whether here or elsewhere.” I don’t know how that’d go over. But the Peters situation holds the keys to millions of dollars that could be used in FA or in a trade for another player (Boldin anybody?).
If I’m the Bills I stay pretty mum in the FA. I don’t go after any “big name” FA’s. I’d go get Rex Grossman if he’s available, make an offer for Bertrand Berry, and look at a guy like Brandon Jones at WR. But I don’t think in anyway shape or form should the Bills try to land a Suggs type player or contract. If they do make a big move, I want it to be a trade for Peters that gives us high draft picks or Anquan Boldin in return.
My perfect scenario. Peters for Boldin, Draft Brown or Orakpo at #11, draft Center Round 2, and draft a LB in Round 3 and possibly resign Crowell.
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by MARVelous on Feb 17, 2009 12:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You’re leaving a lot of money on the table in that “perfect scenario”, Marv. Why don’t you want to pursue free agents?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and you’re leaving a lot of holes unplugged, too. “Possibly” re-sign Crowell? Who starts at OLB? What about TE, S? Backup QB? How do we plan for a possible Marshawn suspension?
I feel like you’re just giving us the tip of the iceberg here.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
what I meant is that in my proposed plan, we don’t go after any “big names” or “big money.” I feel that the majority of our needs can be met through the draft. Peters is solid, but he is a much better RUN blocker than pass blocker. I think Bell would fit in just fine and Chambers did fine when he subbed in at LT. I would much rather have Boldin, with Bell and Chambers at LT, than Peters and the same old crap at the WR/TE corps positions.
I just hope we don’t go after mediocre FA’s and overpay. It’s the last thing this team needs. I don’t see us going far in 2009, and I hope the pressure of “win at all costs or lose your job” philosophy in 2009 for Jauron doesn’t set this franchise back with stupid FA signings that hamstring this franchise for years to come
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by MARVelous on Feb 17, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel that the majority of our needs can be met through the draft.
I could not disagree with you more on this one point. We were far too reliant on our draft to fill holes last season, and look how well that turned out. Only McKelvin was a contributor, and he got off to such a slow start that people were calling him a “bust”.
If we want to compete, we have to find impact through free agency. Over-reliance on the draft is precisely what killed us last year.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Over-reliance on the draft is precisely what killed us last year.
And poor talent evaluation all around, poor FA signings in the past and poor drafting….
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but the key phrase was “last year”.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot more than relying on the draft killed us last year
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, of course it did. I’m just saying in terms of personnel acquisitions and expecting immediate results out of those players, we were too reliant on the draft, and expected far too much out of our rookies.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’ve gotta sign or trade Peters now while the ball is in their court. If they wait, it will only cost them more and more $$$.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 18, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lots of money and unreal solutions
What do we do without a left tackle?? Peters is valued more than Boldin because if you cannot protect the QB, you can’t pass the ball. Crowell isn’t coming back either. Sean Jones is WAY overrated and not the playmaker Atogwe is. I like your draft scenario.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 17, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In that case...
wouldn’t it have to be:
Rd 1 – LT
Rd 2 – DE
Rd 3 – C
I agree Atogwe is better (from everything I’ve read) but everyone else looking for a safety knows that too. Just playing the numbers here.
by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Atogwe is decent, but gets picked on. He’s not that great of a player.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here’s a starting point for the discussions:
Taking a look at the guys on the target list, which position(s) should we target first in free agency?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
CENTER
and Linebacker.
Rotational DT (Colin Cole, maybe)
Safety if there’s $$$ left
Backup QB
Vet WR
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
target first....
Center and linebacker… safety if someone can convince me about Sean Jones….
later in F/A we go after a WR, rotational DT or DE, backup QB (Unless they want Leftwich)
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See current front page post.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 18, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perfect fits
OLB – Leroy Hill (young and explosive)
S – Atogwe (guy is a pure ballhawk and HE CAN TACKLE)
C- Brown (guy has playoff experience and a nasty streak)
While Brown might be the most expensive, I think this could be a very real scenario. That being said, I REALLY THINK THE BILLS ONLY GET 2 GUYS THROUGH FA.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 17, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So which of these three do you strike off the list then?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And for the record, I left Atogwe off the targets list because apparently, chances are high he’ll get the franchise tag in St. Louis. If that doesn’t happen, Atogwe is going on the list, but I doubt he leaves St. Louis.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
Brown is the best option at Center but I think drafting a Center is the way to go. I’d rather put the money into LB if we are going after one. Hill might be a solid fit. I want Matt Birk, but with Trent so young, I think having a center for just 1-2 years would hamstring his development. He needs a solid player at center, and drafting one in Round 2, whether it Unger, Wood or Mack is the way to go IMO
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by MARVelous on Feb 17, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll disagree that addressing center via the draft is better than via free agency. I think Trent would benefit immensely from having another veteran or two offensively (not named Royal, that is).
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely benefit
Espacially if we drafted a guy as well. Birk would be awesome and would help Trent and the rookie center with reads etc. Even for two years, we need a guy who can lead the O line and our team, into some sort of playoff contention
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by killascript on Feb 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys are a little too gung-ho about the “sign a center, draft a center” line, too. If we know anything about the Bills, it’s that they value versatility in their backups, particularly along the offensive line. I highly doubt that if a center is added via free agency the Bills will follow it up by adding another center in round two or three. It’s just not likely to happen.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Colts have Saturday and drafted 3 Centers....why can't we sign one FA and draft one?
Then send Preston and Fowler packing!!!!!
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by Joe P. on Feb 17, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They drafted three college centers, but have already made it adamantly clear that Mike Pollak is staying at guard, and Steve Justice could follow him. So, they drafted a center in the seventh round.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So we do the same.
Draft a center that can play backup guard and center for a few years. If he earns the starting spot sooner…..great!!!!! Cut the old dead wood loose.
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by Joe P. on Feb 17, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I would bet that a good interior lineman is a good interior lineman, and if you got Birk, and one of the top centers, you could move one of them over to guard IF you felt Dockery or Butler wasn’t performing, or, the drafted center could take over for the free agent in a couple years if he surpasses him
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by killascript on Feb 17, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not too mention
that our draft experts really hit it big with Chris Ellis. I believe that we get a center and an OLB through FA and then we draft a DE at 11 and TE in round 2. I LOVE COFFMAN.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 17, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think part of the process
is evaluating your tier 1, tier 2 and tier 3 targets for each position you go after in FA. That way you can figure out which tier 1 guys will be cheaper than others and which positions tier 3 guys can offer the most value for the cheapest. Anyway, here’s what I’m thinking.
Center – Everyone knows I love Alex Mack. I want to find a way to get him and Orakpo in the first round but a couple of these guys are worth looking into.
Tier 1 – Jason Brown – Youth, experience, and the center in what was a more effective ground game than should have been expected considering the talent at running back and a rookie QB who was throwing to no receivers. I’ll pursue him hard.
Tier 2 – Matt Birk – A two year stop gap while a younger guy develops. I am concerned about a sudden and steep decline in his abilities so I go after him only if Brown is resigned and I don’t think I can trade back up to get Mack.
Tier 3 – Brad Meester – If I sign Meester I’m still going after Mack or Wood in the draft. Meester would be great depth or a guy who can start for a year. At the very least bringing in Meester affords us the right to have he and either Mack or Wood or whoever battle it out in camp for a starting job. He’s insurance if our rookie is not ready to go.
Fullback – Regardless of whether or not we sign or don’t sign a free agent fullback, I’m drafting a guy in the later rounds, either Fiametta or Quinn Johnson in round 5 or 6. I wouldn’t mind either, one is a weapon and the other plows the round. Regardless, could you imagine how good Quinn Johnson or Fiammetta can be if they learn from one of the veterans for a year or two?
Tier 1 – Heath Evans would be the prized possession as he’s a former Patriot and would clearly be able to provide Fewell and DJ with all the goods on the Pats offense, even with their offensive coordinator leaving. He is athletic and a great blocker.
Tier 2 – Tony Richardson – This guy has two great years left and he’s wise an knows the game of football very very well. You want a good role model and mentor for Marshawn Lynch to learn from? Forget a veteran RB, give him a veteran FB. Richardson would also be good for Quinn or Fiammetta as well.
Tier 3 – Lorenzo Neal – If we do go after Jason Brown hard why not reunite he and his fullback in a new city together? Again, like Brown, Neal blocked for a Ravens team that ran better than expected and also has been the focal point of some of the greatest running attacks in the last decade in the NFL. He’s probably on his last leg but I think he can give us one year of showing our offense what toughness means. If we get this guy, we’re draftig Quinn so he can learn from the best.
Wide Receiver – There are only two guys I would target and both are tier 3s. Amani Toomer and Nate Washington. Neither requires us to spend more money than we would like. Amani is choice A because he is experienced and cold provide leadership to our young skill players. He would also help Trent develop in my opinion. He has a chip on his shoulder and has something to prove after the Giants stopped targeting him. A crafty veteran who has been immensely productive in his career with something to prove? Sign me up. Nate Washington I would consider if I know that Hardy will miss most of the the season.
So far, unless I sign Brown I haven’t really spent much money. Part of the reason is in the last part I resigned Greer, Crowell, and extended Peters and Jackson. I also freed up some space by trading McGee an cutting Kelsay. That money has probably gone into signing Toomer and one of the fullbacks as I still prefer to trade up for Mack than spend money on a center. With an aging receiver and an aging fullback (all three guys I listed are 30 or older) I have shored up two problem spots on offense at least in the short term for relatively cheap. I’m confident that with the 3rd or 4th rounder I got from McGee that we can finagle a trade to get back into the first for Mack, maybe give up this year’s second, this year’s third and next year’s second to get into the late teens early twenties. With Mack, Toomer and a FB I think our offense is much much better. Use the pick from McGee to get a tight end to split time with Fine and grab Orakpo with the #11. With all of that done or planned we are free to aggressively pursue the one free agent not named Haynesworth (who is too expensive and probably gonna get tagged) that I would throw a lot of money at.
Sean Jones – I am really content with Bryan Scott and Donte Whitner, a lot more than most people here. But if I can land Sean Jones I’m going for it. Keep Jones on the field as much as possible and rotate Donte and Scott depending on the situation and you’ve got a great situation at safety. I just think Jones would be perfect for this team. If we can’t get him I’m not targeting any other safety available. But I think he is good enough to be a playmaker and I also believe that if Orakpo, Schobel, Ellis, and Denney can provide even a bit of pressure he, Donte, Scott, McKelvin, Greer and Youboty will be the most dangerous secondary in the AFC East.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 17, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you’re right – creating player tiers is critical to this process, and we’ll certainly do some more of this before free agency. Or, at least I will, and you can just copy and paste this at that point in time.
I’m curious – why do you only mention Brown as a high-priced free agent? I’d love to hear why Matt Birk wouldn’t command a serious chunk of change. What do you do at LB?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Brown will cost a lot more than Birk. I think youth can earn you top dollar in this league and I just see Saturday and Brown getting more of the dollar attention than Birk. The Vikings worries about Birk’s decline raise serious red flags for me and I’m sure other teams around the league. Brown is what 26? Birk is 33? To me that translates into at least 2 or 3 mil more a year.
In regards to LB, as I mentioned above, I’m sort of continuing where I left off from your first part of this process and in my response to that I resigned Crowell. I just think he’s cheaper and better and knows the system more than a guy like Hill. I think in the end that will sway OBD to keep him.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 17, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saturday is a year older than Birk…
Seriously, guys, Matt Birk will be 33 this July. For a center, that’s end of the prime/beginning of the descent territory. We’re not talking about a 33-year-old RB here. Birk could play another 5 seasons for all we know, and he’ll certainly be a candidate for a 5-year deal. He ain’t signing here on a 2-year deal, because that deal won’t allow him to retire. I can’t understand how anyone imagines Birk going anywhere on anything less than a five-year deal – a deal he might outlast.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Saturday’s time of playing with Peyton, winning the Super Bowl being a part of so many winners will up his price more than he deserves. I’m not saying Birk is bad, I’m just saying it should be a concern that the Vikings dont think a key part of their running game, with Adrian Peterson still so young, is worth getting rid of. If Birk is going to be good for five more seasons then that means he’ll probably be good longer than Peterson. Why wouldn’;t the Vikings keep him if they believed that?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 17, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they just like a C in the draft
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by killascript on Feb 17, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
or whoever his back up is
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by killascript on Feb 17, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds great
but not at all reliable. I like Brown at C and Washington as another WR but that’s it. Old fullbacks are useless as they are slow to get to the hole and cannot catch a pass out of the backfield, so what happens when you audible? Matt Birk is 33 and if you sign him, you mas as well resign Whittle. I don’t like that scenario at all. Lets face it guys, the NFL is growing faster and faster as a game EVERY YEAR. These veterans are not.
Whitner can’t tackle and takes horrible angles, did I mention he can’t cover the pass at ALL? Our defensive line creates no pressure or gets any sacks, I think Orakpo would help, but as a rookie is not the answer to all of our problems.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 17, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Matt Birk is 33 and if you sign him, you mas as well resign Whittle.
What? Not following here in the slightest.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heath Evans
has been doing just fine for the Pats and Tony Richardson was pretty good for the Jets. Neal I can see being too slow for your tastes but as a one or two year stop gap? I think Evans and Richardson can still move. I don;t like getting an older center either but you must still consider Birk because if they don’t get a top flight center, aka Mack or Wood, in the draft or Brown then Birk is the next best option in the interior line.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 17, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see us get:
C Jason Brown
OLB Leroy Hill
SS Sean Jones
We would look really good going into the draft with these signings, although I’m not sure I see them going after Jones because DJ seems to love Bryan Scott
by billsnterps on Feb 17, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’d take a lot of coin to get all three, but each of those guys top my positional lists as well.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Birk is INJURY PRONE and on the decline
AND everyone can see him handling Jenkins and Wilfork TWICE A YEAR?? Seriously?
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 17, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, he did just fine with Shaun Rogers, Tommie Harris and Green Bay’s stable of athletes in the north.
Birk has been Minnesota’s starting center for 8 years. He’s played all 16 games in 6 of those seasons. How is that injury prone?
Also, if you click “reply” to a specific comment, it’ll thread it so our conversation doesn’t take up the entire length of the comments section. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Birk has started every game for the past 3 years. He is athletic enough and strong enough to hold his own against the DT’s the Bills face in the division.
Brian, I was under the assumption that Jeff Saturday is a free agent. Do you not feel he warrants a place on that list?
by gatornation on Feb 17, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Saturday is as good as the top two guys, and I left him off the list completely because Indy is close to re-signing him.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't hear
that Indy was close to resigning him and actually I’m surprised that they would given they drafted (3) centers last year.
Given the amount of money OBD has tied up in the OL I’m not convinced they will attempt to sign a top-flight C in FA.
by gatornation on Feb 17, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
because of who he had next to him in Minnesota to “pass them off to.” Not too mention that in the AFC and AFC east, there are an abundance of schemes that the likes of BIrk have NEVER seen. Didn’t Birk have knee surgery or something to the effect one year? Maybe I am thinking of someone else? I could have sworn he missed some time.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 17, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
stats say
he started 16 games from 06’ – 08’.
Hutchinson is an average pass blocker at best so I don’t think he provides as much “support” as you think.
by gatornation on Feb 17, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Birk hasn’t missed a game since 2004. He might have had a knee injury then, but even if he did, he’s had four full healthy seasons since.
If every center gets negative points for playing next to good guards, then Kent Hull was a freaking terrible player for playing next to Jim Ritcher. Right?
Bottom line is Birk is one of the top five centers in the league, and he’s only 33. He’d be an outstanding signing, even to a long-term deal.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he had his knee scoped?
All the NFL players have that done routinely. They clear out cartilage and junk from their knees a lot during the offseason. No missed time.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 18, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need Depth and Youth and BIRK IS NOT THAT GUY - JUST ANOTHER STOP GAP FOR ONE YEAR
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 17, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Signing Birk
does not preclude OBD from selecting a center in the draft and would add to the depth of the line. many college centers move to guard and have the ability to move back to center if need be.
by gatornation on Feb 17, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
And, I also think Brown will cost more than Birk, which is why I think the Bills will target Birk. Also, Birk is used to playing in the cold (GB and Chicago anyway) and is not someone who craves the “nightlife” of a bigger city.
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by Joe P. on Feb 17, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See above comments regarding why signing a durable 33-year-old center is hardly a one-year stop gap solution.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Birk is not a stop gap. He’s far from it.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I want:
Peters for Boldin (Plus an additional pick or 2.)
Jason Brown (Sorry, for as great as Birk is, he’s in the twilight of his career. I forsee shades of Favre.)
JJ Arrington (He could fill in full time, if ever needed.)
LeRoy Hill (His run-stopping abilities would really upgrade the D.)
Question, because i’m thoroughly uninformed on the matter: Can / would the Bills (consider) franchising Peters?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 17, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good luck with that trade….and good luck spending a high pick on his replacement.
The Bills can’t franchise Peters since he’s not a FA. Maybe in 2011.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards would gladly make that trade
It would be like trading 3 $1 bills for a $5
by syrbillsfan on Feb 18, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
Good LT – involved in every single play on offense.
Great WR – affects 50% or less of plays on offense.
WR = Stats = OVERRATED by you and me
LT is hard to quantify by you and me so we don’t know where to put their value, but the Pro Personnel guys certainly do and they would make that trade in an instant,
by syrbillsfan on Feb 18, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you can tell I REALLY don't like Birk
because that isn’t how you run a football team. You can’t bring in a guy for a year, especially at center, because he is the LEADER of the offensive line. This would screw up the whole chemistry. Instead, why not go after someone with playoff experience and a nasty side in Brown who has a lot of YOUTH and POTENTIAL.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 17, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Again, Cutter, I ask a question that you refuse to answer – why are you bringing in Birk for only a year? He’s only 33!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously- using caps doesn’t make your argument more right. Birk wouldn’t be a year, he’d be here at least 3 (and that’s being really pessimistic). You draft someone to come up behind him, and we’re set at C for a while. That said, I don’t think Brown’s a bad option- I’d be happy with either one.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 17, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have we evaluated Preston long enough yet? He hasn’t started a whole season yet, and I know he can be a numb nuts, but sometimes just having started alongside the others long enough will elevate his play. Maybe adding more to the defense instead would be enough to cover any potential point difference lost on the offensive side of the ball. Does that make sense? I have been thinking about this for a while and if Birk is available for a reasonable price, go get him. If not, I’m not actually too worried about the C position as long as the Bills bring in two or three new OL through the draft and rookie free agents. I think we’re a couple of defensive playmakers away from our offensive struggles not being an issue. I just wory about free agency because it usually is a black hole for teams. It seems that the teams that win championships are brought to that level by their own players chosen through the draft or their second and third tier free agents (The Bryan Scotts of the world if you will). I think we all might be looking too closely and missing the big picture.
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And, we’re back. Sorry about the downtime, folks.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 2:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice research
Heath Evans is a name that jumps out to me there…in a pinch, he can kind of be a swing player given Lynch’s situation. He’s a guy that can play fullback and still give you a half dozen carries a game if you choose. Might help the full back problem AND be part of the answer at running back.
Love the thought of Reggie Williams at WR- he’s a real red zone threat and goes over the middle. Hate the idea of Amani Toomer, he’s lost all of his speed, isn’t very physical, and isn’t a good red-zone guy anymore (even with Burress taking a ton of attention off him).
Why no Byron Leftwich on the QB list? Maybe somebody goes after him as a starter, but I like him a lot…
I like Meester at center, and Hill at OLB. I think Hill would be a very good first target for them.
by Make a play Whitner on Feb 17, 2009 2:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As I mentioned… well, somewhere… Leftwich will get an opportunity to start this off-season, particularly since there aren’t any first-day starters in this year’s draft.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why will Leftwich get a chance to start somewhere? The guy was sitting around all last offseason until Chaz Batch went down and the Steelers needed to bring him in. He played alright in limited action this year, so why is he all of a sudden worth bringing in as a starter again?
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying I agree with it dude, just reporting it. There are a lot of teams who will look to sign a veteran and/or draft a rookie. Who available would you tab to start over Leftwich this year?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you’re right, but you sure seemed adament about it! I wouldn’t want Leftwich as a starter, but I also wouldn’t want much of the other garbage available either.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies and gentlemen the new starter for the Detroit Lions!
by syrbillsfan on Feb 18, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, no, they’ve got Daunte Culpepper. They’re “all set”.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 18, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re-posing this question, since it got exactly zero responses before and is kind of what I’m looking for…
Taking a look at the guys on the target list, which position(s) should we target first in free agency?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What????
Isn’t that what I did with the very first post?
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by Joe P. on Feb 17, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently. I just thought you were listing the three players with their three positions first, not positional order. Thanks for clarifying. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh – and same question I just asked freddyjj.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Peters wants to sign a fair deal, then
yes it is realistic. It does not bother me to have a lot of money tied up in the O-line as long as they produce. But, if you happen to have to invest heavily in the O-line (most likely FAs), then you better draft well on the D side. I don’t care how you get good players as long as you get them. Nothing says all of these players will play out those contracts.
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by Joe P. on Feb 17, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I see.....that question was a post....not in the article
I guess I naturally put them in positional order. Sorry for the confusion.
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by Joe P. on Feb 17, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No biggie. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
DE* – DE is an all or nothing thing here for me. We either need to swing for the fences or prepare to draft somebody in the first. I don’t like either option that much, but that’s where we are. (for the record, I don’t think we can land a tier 1 FA here)
C – unless we want to commit to drafting a guy who we think can start on day 1, we need to get a center in FA. I’d love to see us bring in Mack, but I don’t see it happening.
LB – there are a lot of them available, which should lower the price. We need a lot of starters, so let’s get the ones at the best (relative) price.
QB – my favorite targets aren’t on the list (were they re-signed, retiring, etc?) but QB is a position where we want a vet, so we need to grab one in FA.
WR: we aren’t looking for top tier guys and I personally think Steve Johnson will come through for us. Still, taking a gamble on a guy who’s struggled recently isn’t a bad idea if we can get him cheap.
RB: If there’s an available deal, go for it, otherwise I’m fine with the draft.
Positions I left off and why:
S: not high enough on my needs list. I don’t think we cut Whitner and Scott is value (of not an outstanding player) so I think we don’t make any notable move here.
TE: Lack of available talent
DT: We only need a rotational guy, so I’d like to grab a big man in about the fifth round.
FB: starters can be had in the 6th round or maybe even UDFAs.
Note: I am not at all opposed to trading Peters if a deal is possible. I’m not at all opposed to keeping him if he’ll sign for what we consider a reasonable price. If that means we have a lot of money invested in our O-line, so be it.
by Hopefulcynic on Feb 17, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brian, I can read instructions
Center! Top priority. Target Jason Brown
Then OLB – Michael Boley – move to WILL and let Kawika go to SAM.
Then WR Nate Washington or Amani Toomer.
I also like Sean Jones at SS – have to believe he wants out of CLE
by freddyjj on Feb 17, 2009 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nice. That’s exactly what I’m looking for here.
Question for you, though. If we make center our top priority, what does that mean we do with Jason Peters? Is it realistic to sign Peters to an extension and a center, thus making 4 big contracts and another extension (Butler’s 5-year deal) on our offensive line?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the OL becomes a strength with 5 veterans with 5 new contracts, would that be a bad thing? Next year, we ask Dockery to take a pay cut or hit the road. I don’t see it as a huge issue unless we get continued mediocre play out of the OL.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the OL becomes a strength with 5 veterans with 5 new contracts, would that be a bad thing?
Of course it wouldn’t. I’m merely asking if it’s likely.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s more likely than us actually filling all of our other needs!
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question
I would ask Dockery to restructure now to help sign Peters.
If he says no, then I would look to release Dockery at year end to resign Peters
And for giggles draft/sign Dockery’s brother late in 2009 to replace him!
by freddyjj on Feb 17, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he says no, then I would look to release Dockery at year end to resign Peters
I’m not sure how that would fly, given Peters has already held out. But I like where your head’s at on Dockery restructuring.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a little off-topic but...
“Chris Brown (the team journalist, not the allegedly violent R&B artist)”
Love how you’re willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but have already damned Marshawn as a repeat offender…
by BuffCrunch on Feb 17, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
When did I “damn” Lynch as a repeat offender? I said in a different thread that I’ve heard from a couple of legal sources (one via reader e-mail) that the league might not consider Lynch a repeat offender because of his light punishment last summer. In terms of this here post, I list running backs as a contingency plan of the worst case scenario plays out with Lynch. Please don’t put words in my mouth.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Lynch won’t have to deal with mere firearm charges, either. As a repeat offender of the NFL’s personal conduct policy, it’s unlikely that Lynch will receive a reprieve from league commissioner Roger Goodell.”
“Lynch will almost certainly be suspended for this most recent arrest, and honestly, he deserves whatever he gets.”
“This is strike two for Buffalo’s star tailback.”
This is just from the article on the front page. If I misunderstood any of these comments in any way, then I apologize…
by BuffCrunch on Feb 17, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s from a couple of days ago. I meant to amend the first quote with “As a possible repeat offender…”, but it slipped through the cracks.
I still do believe that Lynch will probably be suspended, if not by the league then by the team, and it IS strike two for Lynch in terms of legal issues.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Goodell can suspend Lynch whether he is convicted or not...
Chris Brown, the R&B singer, will stand trial I guess but has been “suspended” by radio stations who have banned his music. Lynch and Brown both deserve what they get.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Runningback #2a?
Saints released RB Deuce McAllister.
The writing has been on the wall for a couple of months now, with a $7.3 million cap charge and a $3.2 million salary. At age 30 with two damaged knees, Deuce’s future is bleak. He may hope to catch on with a contender, but few NFL teams reserve roster spots for short-yardage backs who don’t contribute on special teams. Pierre Thomas was already a player on the rise, but this news solidifies his value as an intriguing RB2 for 2009. Feb. 17 – 11:55 am et
Source: New Orleans Times-Picayune
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by thurman on Feb 17, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I might have lukewarm interest in him, depending on the type of deal he’s looking for. I’d rather sign a guy that’s more helpful as a specialist and a lot more durable, though.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks. Deuce is washed up.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Following instructions like a good boy...
In order-
-C (I’d go Birk, grab one in the draft to back him up/add depth)
-LB (Nothing Suggs-ish, maybe like Leroy Hill or something like that?)
-QB (I’m not sure who, to be honest)
-S (If there’s someone worth getting?)
I don’t have much of a justification for the QB spot, other than I think that a backup QB is more pressing than some of the other problems, and would be harder to address through the draft (I’m not big on any of the QB’s coming out this year).
I really don’t like the WR options (Toomer and Washington? Really?)…just because we could probably get something roughly as threatening through the draft (or draft Hardy v2.0, I realize- I’m trying to channel MRW’s optimism here), or would have to give too much up to get a guy like Boldin.
Is there like an easily sortable list o’ free agents somewhere? I honestly have no idea who all is available (for shame, I know).
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 17, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There’s a link to all the FA’s in Brian’s write up here…in the last part of the “From the Horse’s mouth” section
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. I’m blind and possibly stupid- thanks, though.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 17, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good boy! :)
If we go after a WR, it’d better be a veteran. I can’t handle adding a third developmental WR to join Hardy and Johnson.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d like a vet WR too, but I can’t find any FA’s that I’d really want. Maybe if we get Lelie for 3 bucks and an old Cheeto, perhaps Miles Austin if Dallas lets him loose…I don’t know?
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 17, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It has to be a vet WR....
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fill Needs in Free Agency and Draft
Bennie Wells RB from Ohio State # 1. The Bills can pick the best RB in the draft. At 6’ 00 and 238 lbs with 4.4 speed, Wells would fortify the running game for next year. It appears Lynch is turning out to be a thug with many suspentions in his future. Jackson is a good back, but I would not count on him to carry the load for the whole season.
by gjv on Feb 17, 2009 4:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think there’s a lot we need that #1 pick for more than a just-in-case-Marshawn’s-an-idiot RB. That, and I’ve never been real high on Beanie.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 17, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, this is the type of knee-jerk reaction that really has no basis in reality. We’re not taking a RB at #1 even if Lynch is suspended for the entire season.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
definitely. Jackson is great, and like I said down further, there are alot of FA rbs
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by killascript on Feb 17, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Lynch is suspended for a year I would believe the Bills would definitly draft Wells. Put yourself in the Bills PR shoes. How many dads in WNY would want to buy their son a Bills jersey with the name of a hit and run driver or loaded revolver carrier on the back.
by gjv on Feb 17, 2009 4:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Nope
I would highly doubt, with Jackson on the roster, they would waste a first or second rd pick on a questionably motivated RB, even if he is the best in the draft. Plus there are plenty of free agents to spell Jackson, who i would be more than comfortable with as my starter
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by killascript on Feb 17, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lynch won’t be suspended for a year
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ray Lewis’ jersey seemed to sell ok. People still buy Kobe jerseys.
And “loaded revolver carrier” isn’t nearly as bad as either of those two.
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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 17, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Lynch is suspended for a year I would believe the Bills would definitly draft Wells.
I’m not going to disagree with that, man. But Lynch won’t – 100% will not – be suspended for a year. So if that’s the minimum requirement to drafting Wells, then Wells it isn’t.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Brians point above
Wells is REALLY injury prone, man never made it through a season intact, ONCE! I do NOT want that for my RB, Wells will in fact fall far on draft day, till near the end of round 1, his injury concerns will scare alot of teams off.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 19, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, to be fair, he didn’t miss a game until this season. He only missed those 3 games early this season, so it’s a bit unfair to say he never made it through a season in tact….
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like a center in FA, and like we got Stroud, I wouldn’t mind a trade for a very good DE. i just wonder what our draft board will look like, because more and more I just want the best player available.
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Hi Everyone, new to the board but have been reading for awhile….really wanted to ask a question though:
Is the reason why nobody is talking about Julius Peppers because he’s so good (and expensive) that they don’t think Ralph would pull the trigger or because the thinking is he won’t be a good fit here for some reason?
Personally, Peppers is the type of guy I would break the bank for. Younger, strong, freakishly athletic….and yet to realize his true potential. I for one would get fired up again for the Bills season, similar to the excitement I felt when they went out and got Stroud.
I believe that line play (offensive and defensive) is more linked with wins or losses than people think and I would love to see the Bills get a Pro-Bowl type DE again.
Thoughts?
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Welcome to the blog! :)
Speaking personally, I’m not big on Peppers because it’s not like we’d be breaking the bank for a spring chicken. The dude is 29 years old. He’s a good player, but how long is it before his skills start to deteriorate?
I just don’t think Peppers is a smart investment for a franchise like Buffalo.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Peppers would cost, if the Panthers tag him, $16mm for the year. way to many holes to fill and that would negate any chance of effectively doing so. apparently Peppers wants to play OLB in the 3-4 for some reason.
by gatornation on Feb 17, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, I thought he was younger than that, but still...
…he’s only about 14 months older than the just-extended Lee Evans.
In fact, he fits in well with the rest of the defense:
Stroud- 30 years old
Mitchell- 29 yeard old
Schobel- 31 years old
Kelsay- 29 years old
If we are asking how long will it be before a 29 year old Julius Peppers breaks down, then I think we have some major problems with the rest of our “core” defensive players listed above as well. (In fact, why did we just extend a 30 year old (at the time) Schobel….wait, there may not be a good answer for that either…)
But I can also see not wanting to add him if we think the Bills arent close to being a playoff team. I guess that depends on OBD view of how close we are.
by StroudFanClub on Feb 17, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re absolutely right that the “core” defensive players, particularly along the line, are all aging-ish. That’s kind of why I’d like to see the Bills ignore guys like Peppers, fill their other needs via free agency, and then spend at least three of their draft picks on defensive linemen.
But hey… that’s just what I’d do.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 17, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think everybody on this blog questions why they extended some of the guys they did
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t want Peppers because he’ll cost a ton AND he’s approaching 30 years old.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FB anyone?
Long time-first time (in a long time-I had a membership but it may have lapsed b/c of inactivity). But I’m back and better than ever.
Ok, I realize that FB is certainly NOT our highest priority. Nevertheless, I think a player was left off the “Targets” list, Mr. Guy. How about Leonard Weaver. Sure he’s a RFA, but if the Seahawks put a low tender on him, it wouldn’t cost us a draft pick. And would ANY team pay a FB $1.545M?
Here are the tender amounts per CB’s blog on the Bills site:
“Low tender – right of first refusal & original draft pick – $1.01 million
Middle tender – right of first refusal & 2nd round pick – $1.545 million
High tender – right of first refusal & 1st round pick – $2.198 million
Highest tender – right of first refusal & 1st and 3rd round picks – $2.792 million.”
Thoughts? God Bless and Go Bills!!!
by BBFan4Ever on Feb 17, 2009 9:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m pretty sure he’s not a RFA. He signed a one year tender last offseason, for $1.4M, because he was an RFA. This year, he’s unrestricted.
So that’ll make it easier to go after him if we’d like. I think he’s a very good FB, so he’s worth pursuing at the right price.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jarrad Page?
Brian,
Are you anticipating Page will receive at least a Middle Tender?
by BBFan4Ever on Feb 17, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not sure. I’m just not interested in him.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 18, 2009 6:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could we bring Jimmy back?
Leonard was a BEAST as the SS for the Ravens. He knows our system, but do you think there are ill feelings that prohibit him from returning?
by BBFan4Ever on Feb 17, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope we don’t. He was terrible here and wasn’t even that good for the Ravens. He made some plays, obviously, but it’s not like he was some dominating force.
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by Kurupt on Feb 17, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Leonhard isn’t coming back, folks.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 18, 2009 6:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my list....
Birk+draft/Brown
Hill
Charlie Batch – how can he not be on your list at all???
Amani Toomer
Get me those guys and extend Peters and re-sign Action Jackson.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
you could convince me to go for Sean Jones too.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Increadibly ambitious
but sice most of them are second tier talents, i’ll by into it, i’d like to see 3 out of 4 (I’m not overly big on hill, although he is the bes available option.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 18, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's ambitious
sign one of the two top centers and the top linebacker.
two reasonably priced vets in Batch and Toomer.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
F/A position priority
Day 1 guys:
OLB – Hill or wait until draft
Center – Brown or Birk
Week 2 guys:
Back-up QB
vet WR
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 18, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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