Monday Bills Update: Post-XLIII, HOF Edition
First thing's first - congratulations to the Pittsburgh Steelers for their thrilling Super Bowl XLIII victory over the Arizona Cardinals, 27-23. With six Super Bowl championships under their belts, the Steelers keep adding to their resume of "best small-market pro sports franchise on planet Earth". Well played, Pittsburgh. (Oh, and Ben Roethlisberger is kind of clutch. Kind of.)
Back here in Buffalo, however, the big news continues to center around the Bills' dynamic duo of Hall of Fame inductees, owner Ralph Wilson and defensive end Bruce Smith...
Allen Wilson of The Buffalo News writes that Ralph Wilson was "shocked" by his selection to the Pro Football Hall of Fame. (Truth be told, I think everyone else was, too.) Wilson's resume, however, proves his induction a worthy development.
Allen Wilson (him again) doesn't write that Bruce Smith was shocked by his selection to the Hall. Nobody was shocked there. But Wilson still pens an article about Smith's relationship with his parents. Oh, and Smith's resume includes more than just 200 sacks, too.
The one Bills finalist who didn't get elected to the Hall (this time around) was wide receiver Andre Reed. Reed's falling short was hardly a surprise, but at least one writer thinks that Reed should get in sooner rather than later. ESPN.com's Tim Graham agrees, but believes that Wilson's induction is a bad sign for Reed.
Could you root for the Niagara Bills? Apparently, if you say it a thousand times, it "doesn't sound so wacky". I have not yet repeated it a thousand times, but it's been a few now, and it sounds gross. Still, this is a compelling idea to regionalize the Bills and keep them entrenched in the Western New York area, and that's clearly a good thing. A worthy read. One more question: would you as enthusiastically visit "NiagaraRumblings.com" every day? More info
Everyone's still getting all excited about the Bills potentially selecting Oklahoma State tight end Brandon Pettigrew in the first round. Sheesh, people... just because Kiper says it doesn't mean it's coming true. That's not magic prophecy hairspray he uses. Oh well... get it out of their systems now, I suppose. (Oh, and somebody tell Bob Matthews that George Selvie isn't draft-eligible.)
We'll continue our profiling of potential Bills free agents by taking a look at Miami LB Channing Crowder over the lunch hour (eastern time). Stay tuned!
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I’m just glad the season is finally over. Now its time to focus on the scouting combine and the draft and Free Agency. Stuff that really matters. This is just a matter of opinion but I think Ralph getting inducted was not only a nice surprise, but with the AFL 50th anniversary, the Bills getting 2 to Canton, playing the Titans in the HOF game, the fans uneasiness of Jauron coming back, and the prospects of Trent Edwards in year 3 and the fact that a new season hope springs eternal, can’t you just imagine that Ralph is in a “flying high” state of euphoria and that this off-season out of any at OBD this decade has the potential where the “feeling good” Ralph spends a little more money and tries to make some “noise” in FA and the draft? I ain’t saying it will happen but I think maybe his itch to be aggressive and try to win might be higher this year than in the past. Just a hypothesis
I sure hope so. I still think priority number one has to be another weapon for Trent. I hate the idea of Pettigrew at #11, but surely there has to be a way to get a WR or TE to help out Trent. What Holmes and Heath Miller did last night was pretty special. Of Course none of that happens without the magical Big Ben. Man is that guy good
MARVelous
Agreed.
Although it’s completely irrational, I think the Bills could be on the verge of sucess in the near future, if they play their cards right, and particularly if Trent Edwards is the real deal. I had a dream last night that the Bills acquired Terrell Suggs and Jason Brown in free agency, traded for Tony Gonzales, and drafted B.J. Raji. Then I woke up. But it could happen, right?
My prevailing thought throughout this offseason thus far has been the need for difference-makers, game-changers on both sides of the ball. Watching Santonio Holmes and Larry Fitzgerald perform throughout the playoffs, I often wonder why can’t Lee Evans perform like that? Evans is faster than both of them, and he has better hands than Holmes, but not quite as good as Fitzgerald. Evans doesn’t seem to work the entire field, run all the routes, or show much wiggle or make-you-miss after the catch like Holmes and Fitzgerald do. Of course this is not new information to the bloggers here. I really don’t understand why we don’t see similar performances from Evans. What’s the difference between Evans and Holmes/Fitzgerald? Is it talent-related and just not part of his game, or is it a lack of support around him (players and coaches)? Nothing new that we haven’t already discussed, but frustrating nonetheless.
Congratulations to the Steelers. Their formula for success seems to have stood the test of time, except for maybe in the 1980’s. Unlike many teams, the Steelers are patient, they have only had 3 coaches in 30 or so years, they don’t spend a lot in free agency, and they draft and develop their own players.
Many fans believe that games are won and lost in the trenches. I sort of agree. The Steelers have an average offensive line, at best. It goes to show what a great quarterback like Ben Roethlisberger can do for a team. Roethlisberger doesn’t put up the stats like an elite quarterback, but he just gets it done. He’s definitely a game-winner, but I also think he has the tools to dominate.
I am not sure if this story/link was included in the original post, but it is a good article about Bruce Smith. In exchange for eltie talent and on-field dominance, high-maintenance things like contract complaints, poor practice habits, and excessive sack celebrations can be tolerated. Congratulations, Bruce, for being inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80e7c0b6
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
I'd support the Niagra move...
if they remained the Buffalo Bills.
I’ve been thinking long and hard about whether or not I could continue to support this franchise if someone came in, bought the team, and swept them off to another locale. I think if LA, Texas, or Toronto were to become a reality, i’d struggle. Keeping them on the proper side of the lake would keep me a fan.
It’s interesting to read that Bruce actually turned down the opportunity to be an analyst. I applaud him for doing so to be a father. I always thought he should be an analyst because he’s one of the most well-spoken, intelligent men to ever play the game.
Oh and i’m willing to give Bob Matthews a pass on his Selvie comment. The man had an accident at work, and has been OOC for a few weeks now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions
The whole point though would be to re-brand it as a regional team with the name...
I don’t know if you can keep the name and just move the stadium.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Why?
Are we the Orchard Park Bills? Had they moved to Batavia would they have been the Batavia Bills? Keep the name. Calling them the Niagara Bills isn’t going to make them a regional team. Continuing to hold training camp in Rochester is going to make them a regional team. Marketing and doing outreach to more than just Buffalo and Toronto is going to make theme a regional team. And the most vital part of regionalization, putting a winning product on the field that makes the play playoffs. That will do more than any name change, uniform change or anything else will ever do. Your average fan is going to root for a winner.
by twoeightnine on Feb 2, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
If that’s the point, why didn’t the Giants or Jets become NJ-named teams?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Because they want to be associated with NYC, not NJ.
If the Bills want to be regionalized, they should want their name to reflect it but I just can’t see that name change happening.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Apples and oranges.
Those teams weren’t looking to regionalize. They were looking for tax breaks, publicly funded stadiums, parking, land, cheap rent… Besides, no one wants to admit to being from NJ.
Haha, I live just outside of Batavia, and I’d have a hard time rooting for the Batavia Bills.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, man, don’t even get me started about the “term” “Muckdog”.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
It's made them a lot of money selling the rights to little league teams, though.
Better than the Clippers, anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
At least Batavia Bills retains the alliteration. Niagara Bills sounds like a fictitious cigarette brand.
And just because it worked for the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim And All Areas Adjacent doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
John Madden told me 90% of the game was half-mental...
by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 2, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying I want it.
The point of the article and link are that renaming the Bills would rebrand them with a more regional feel. Renaming them Orchard Park or Batavia wouldn’t do that and didn’t do that.
I agree with your other points.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
Re: Niagara Bills
I would be the best option for the Bills, outside of staying in Buffalo of course. I think the fans would accept it. Since the name would change anyway, how about the Niagara Buffaloes? Just thought it might honor the city of Buffalo more and would make it more logical keeping the logo.
Teach your children about the four seasons: preseason, regular season, postseason, and off-season
I like Niagra Buffaloes better than Niagra Bills....
What would the symbol be? A US dollar bill with a picture of a loonie?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Is “Buffaloes” even grammatically correct? (Edit: Yes, yes it is. Still sounds weird.) I’d rather just call them the “Bison” and be done with it.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Niagara buffalo Niagara buffalo buffalo buffalo Niagara buffalo
Nope doesn’t work
~K
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singular.... not bad.
Niagra Herd????
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Try saying that 3 times fast to the NAACP!!!
Teach your children about the four seasons: preseason, regular season, postseason, and off-season
I agree. If you’re going to regionalize successfully, you have to change the city name, and if you change the city name, “Bills” just really sounds silly.
by thefourwinds on Feb 2, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
I vote for Niagra Rumblers. Or how about the Niagra Viagras! That’s a hard one to deal with but we’d have a built in sponsor.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
Ha - "hard one" to deal with....
get it?
Plus I like it better singular…. Niagra Viagra – it’ll get your hopes up!!!
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
Buffalo Bills of Niagra
that’s one of the few name changes I would support. I wouldn’t mind a state-of-the-art stadium near the falls, that would be awesome, especially if they could get a location where one end of the stadium looks out to the falls.
John I.
Nice. Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim feel. Like it. But I’d rather it just stayed Buffalo Bills.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Name changes/ domes
I would hate to see the Bills play in a domed stadium (although I hate to see them play in any stadium these days). I get the NFL Sunday Ticket and when the 4:00 game roles around and I’m trying to pick a game to watch, I subconsciously eliminate any game in a domed stadium because I honestly believe weather is a part of football. Seriously, I think I’d watch a Bengals- Browns game over the ‘89 49ers vs. the ’78 Steelers if the latter was in a dome. I could live with a dome if it meant keeping the team in Western New York, but why a dome? Also, I don’t buy the claim that calling the team the “Niagra Bills” would attract a more regionalized fan base. If the team’s stadium was in Niagra county, that in itself would lend itself to more Canadian fans due to location, but the name change wouldn’t do anything substantial. The “Buffalo Bills” is a successful brand name of 50 years that’s rfecognized nationwide. I don’t think it’s good business to change it for a move 45 minutes away.
The passing of the torch is finally complete.
All it is...
is some guy who had a thought “I wonder if NiagaraBills.com is available? Oh, it is. I’m going to make a buck.”
by twoeightnine on Feb 2, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Haha, I kind of got that vibe, too, though he has some solid points to make. Not that he didn’t steal them from Kelly or anything…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry but he’s the wrong Fitzgerald, in terms of helping the Bills.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
A dome because: The weather isn’t so great for most of the season. While it’s heartwarming to say “oh I LOVE the weather and it’s such a disadvantage to the opposing team,” so has it also been the case for the home team. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but a good majority of the players for Buffalo are from warm climates. Edwards doesn’t seem to play his best in cold weather (usually), and a dome would make the city very attractive for a SB. I also imagine it would seat less, making it that much easier to sell games out.
I don’t like the thought of a dome, but I support any move to keep the team in WNY, and I see it as a lucrative option. If this all were to come to be, i’d hope they at least make it a retractable roof, giving them the opportunity to play in the snow, if advantageous.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Dome or no Dome
There’d be no Super Bowl played there. Besides the Falls area, what is there? There’s also nowhere near enough hotel space….
~K
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What’s in Minneapolis? Mall of America, then what?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
The funny thing is...
Jim Kelly had the same idea of building a domed stadium in Niagara County by the falls, but he’s also been vehemently opposed to changing the name. I’m with you – I can’t fathom how a name change would help anything, particularly if a new stadium were involved. The team wasn’t named after “Niagara Bill Cody”, after all.
I’m with you on the dome comments, as well. It’d be infinitely nicer to watch the games in the dead of winter, but a) where’s the fun in that?, and b) the only type of home field advantage the Bills currently have is that good old fashioned Western New York weather. I don’t want Miami to come up here in the middle of December and walk all over us because we’re playing in a dome. Oh, wait…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
We haven’t had home weather advantage in how long? 3 years? 5? 10? It was huge news when Dick finally made them practice outside in “bad weather.” The team is too pampered for it to make a difference. You’re not a cold weather team when the first time you step outside is the same time that your opponent steps outside. If anything is a home field advantage for the team it’s how loud the fans can get, not the weather.
I love the weather factor and watching games in it but the fact of the matter is that the Ralph isn’t able to handle it anymore. Dome or no dome, it’s well past its time. It’s hard enough to wait in line to piss during September games, throw in everyone wearing 10 layers, frozen pipes and a half inch of freezing cold water on the floor and I start to think about peeing my pants.
by twoeightnine on Feb 2, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Twoeightnine,
Your noise comment is a good one. The noise factor in a dome would ramp up the 12th man advantage even more than at the Ralph.
You can also do the same thing the Seahawks have done
Build your stadium in a way that it automatically becomes an amplifier on the field from any off field noise. Thats why their stadium leads the NFL in false starts per year, and total since it was constructed. And it is NOT a dome, just hire the same contractors, oh yeah, and it has a kick ass view of Mount Ranier out the south end of the stadium on days it is not cloudy or overcast. Honestly, if you love football and/or baseball, come out to Seattle and watch a Seahawks regular season game and a Mariner’s game, they are both top flight stadia and they also have great views, you won’t regret it.
I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.
I think
it could read:
“best small-market pro sports franchise on planet Earth”
at least of the last 35 years or so….
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
good point.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
this isn't Disney World
Why does everyone want to have so state of the art Dome? do you want to watch football or hangout in doors playing 3-d football simulations. move to dallas or another city that doesn’t care about football just the $$$ coming in. the bests stadiums are the ones that allow you to focus on the game at hand, not playing punt pass kick in the Hallways, or watching other games on TV. WTF are people serious having a dome in Buffalo, how about we get rid of tailgating too, all the other teams are doing it beacuse they like to over charge for beer and food. that’s a great idea for this team to make extra money. i love the ice cold seats and the benches, the freezing wind in my face. i appreciate getting up at 7am and cooking by 8am, it’s a great feeling to know Bills fans can take a lot more pain than any other fans. and i know i’m at a real game not the WWF. i plead you guys to stop dreaming of this ridiculous stuff, it’s not buffalo, it’s the crap Jerry Jones dreams of $$$$$$$$.
BTW we won’t change the name. It’s the Buffalo Bills even if they built the OPEN stadium on the Canadian side of NF. oh and you won’t have a retractable roof b/c the cold weather and ice. could you imagine the roof is stuck open in themiddle of December and they can’t afford to fix it b/c we spent every penny to have it built.
Whoa. I don’t think anyone is pining for a dome here. I think the general consensus is “If it keeps the Bills in the area, build it”. Oh, and we didn’t “dream” this stuff. It’s a news article.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
well it’s the same thought that the Bass Pro shop will save DT Buffalo. Creating buildings wont save Buffalo or the team, building a winning organiziation and sustaining it will (at least the Bills).
Yeah, I haven’t heard too many arguments different than this.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
I have always felt that locating the stadium closer to geographic center of Erie County was a mistake. No offense south-towners, but you’re further away from the regional population and closer to the snow belt. The domed stadium deal that didn’t happen in Lancaster was a missed opportunity tap into the Rochester market earlier; though at the time, the team probably didn’t need to. I ran across an article that considers a number of alternative sites in the area for a new stadium: archives.buffalorising.com/story/mappingout_the_bills_downtown_
If and when the team gets a new stadium, all options should be pursued to find the best location for the present—and and future—fan base. I’m not sure the area can suffer through another short-sighted small-minded decision.
I don’t see, nor would want to see, the team dropping the “Buffalo” as long as there is a city of the same name nearby. Now, if something big was done, like create one municipality out of the more densely populated communities in the Buffalo and Niagara Falls area, then a name change for the Bills would make sense. Indianapolis essentially annexed it’s entire county, effectively branding itself into relevance.
A new city called Niagara, with a population of over one million, one of the wonders of the world as it’s symbol and a retractable roof stadium nebulized by the mist of the mighty Niagara would certainly justify a new on-field brand. I’d gladly give up a lone Buffalo for that. But, alas, the politicians would bicker over how and where lines (and their power) get redrawn. As for the populace, few would want their municipality tainted by another, especially the City of Buffalo—which is largely responsible for people being in the area in the first place.
So for the time being, the area and team will limp along by patching up the parking lot and getting a new scoreboard every few years. That is, until areas assets are sold-off and moved, one by one.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Do what I did, send a letter with any ideas to create jobs in the area to your national and state level senators and representatives
Thats the only way you can have a voice in what is done at the local level short of moving up to the area with a grand idea for a business that will employs tens of thousands and lead to mass movement of humanity to the area with the associated support jobs that go with it. Sadly, I don’t have that idea, but I do have smaller ones that I am happy to give to the politicians who like to keep their jobs, which means making jobs in the area.
Btw, I don’t disagree with you, Buffalo and Rochester both just need to bite the bullet and annex the surrounding townships and incorporate at the county-city level. Seattle is doing this slowly by annexing the townships and unincorporated areas when they get into financial trouble, they help out, and take the city once the issue is resolved.
I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.
I like the idea...
of having a voice in our government’s decisions. I frequently speak directly with my town’s Mayor and I have tried to become part of the political process through membership in the political infrastructure. These vehicles are effective to a degree, but they are mostly about collecting campaign contributions so the political parties can bash each other. Perhaps one good thing about these difficult economic times is that people may be more willing to take or support drastic measures that would be otherwise unthinkable.
These are exactly the conditions that can give rise to great things. Imagine, an area invigorated through it’s re-branding, maximizing its full geographical advantage and it’s internationally recognized football team drawing millions of fans from a vast market Syracuse to Toronto. Imagine the team on the other side of the revenue sharing equation. Imagine the games played against one of the most famous backdrops in the world. Now imagine the teams display case filled with Vince Lombardi trophies… I know I go too far, but it’s my dream and I’m sticking to it!
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travel to lancaster...
Lancaster for Rochester guys? I live in Rochester. Lancaster knocks maybe 20 minutes off the drive. If I’m driving from Rochester the difference between Lancaster and Orchard Park doesn’t matter a whole lot.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 3, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
That’s still 20 minutes each way or 40 minutes. If I can cut my drive 25% each way, that’s more time for other things…It’s also a draft beer or two in gas savings. I’m not advocating a Lancaster move now anyway, that ship has sailed. Back then, you would have replaced a concentrated northerly flow of traffic with more even dispersal. As you know, just getting out of the stadium and to the highway is the longest part of the trip. Today, I’d be in favor of a downtown Buffalo location or even closer to Niagara Falls. It might be a wash with you Rochester folks, but it sure would make the team significantly closer to our rich cousins in the Toronto area.
"They're Killin' Me Whitey. They're Killin' Me" -- Lou Saban
Ok...That time to me isn't a big enough detriment.
But if it is to you, then it is what it is and that’s the way it is.
:-)
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