Potential Bills: OLB Channing Crowder

Dolphins LB Channing Crowder
During the process of identifying the Buffalo Bills' biggest positional needs, the Buffalo Rumblings community nearly unanimously listed a pass-rushing defensive end as the one spot where the Bills most desperately needed an upgrade. Tight end, center and outside linebacker closely followed. We have already begun the process of profiling potential Bills free agents; for reference now and in the future, all of these profiles will be available at this link.
With the NFL's free agent signing period set to begin less than one month from today (midnight on February 27), we here at Rumblings are now starting the process of profiling several top-notch free agents that the community has identified as potentially worthy of donning the red, white and blue in 2009. Even after signing LB Kawika Mitchell as an unrestricted free agent last off-season, the Bills still have a need for an athletic playmaker at outside linebacker (especially since Angelo Crowell's return is unlikely). One of the youngest and perhaps most under-the-radar free agent linebackers available this off-season is Dolphins inside linebacker Channing Crowder. The 25-year-old has quietly been a solid performer on a surprising Miami defense, but according to recent reports, he's on his way to pricing his way out of a Dolphins uniform and striking it big on the open market. Is signing a division rival worth it for the Bills? That's what we're here to find out.
Channing Crowder
Age 25 at start of 2009 season
6'2", 250 pounds
4-year NFL veteran out of Florida
With LB Angelo Crowell an unrestricted free agent and likely on his way out of Buffalo (despite his recent public comments), the Bills will once again be searching for an outside linebacker to play in front of the often-overmatched Keith Ellison. With several viable options available at outside linebacker this year, Miami's Crowder could be one of the first to switch teams. Though he's played inside linebacker both in college and in Miami's 3-4 defensive front, Crowder is thick enough and athletic enough to play the strong side position in Buffalo's 4-3 look. His coverage skills are slightly above average, and his strong point - plugging up holes in the running game - is something the Bills haven't had a lot of from the strong-side position with Ellison at the helm.
I'm no authority on the Dolphins, but our good friend Matty I of The Phinsider most certainly is. SB Nation's Dolphins blogger has some nice things to say about Crowder the player and Crowder the person, but offers some words of caution as well...
On Crowder's likely Miami departure
"Crowder seems to have a higher opinion of himself than the organization does. I wish him the best of luck because I do like the guy a lot. But his value to the Dolphins doesn't match his perceived value in his own head. And that's why he's likely on his way out of Miami and will land with the highest bidder on the open market."
On Crowder's on-field qualities
"He's a steady, solid linebacker. He still, even after 4 years, will take some bad routes to the ball carrier, taking himself out of the play. However, he is usually in good position and will make the tackle. But the thing with Crowder is his lack of "game-changing" plays. In 4 years as a starting linebacker, Crowder has just 1.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, and no interceptions. And that's why the Dolphins are likely to let him walk."
On Crowder's off-field persona
"Channing Crowder is an interesting player - and an interesting guy. As you might know, he loves to joke around and will say pretty much anything that is on his mind - as exemplified by his declaration in 2007 that he couldn't find London on a map. But that's Channing - he jokes around and likes to have a good time. And that makes him the kind of player you like rooting for."
Does Crowder "Fit the Bill"?
If I'm speaking as a bitter, resentful Bills fan, then yes. When Crowder is described as a not-that-impactful guy that you "like to root for", that sounds like pretty much every defender the Bills currently employ. But if I'm speaking out of personal opinion, I think Crowder would be a much better player in a 4-3 scheme. I like his tenacity and his pop when he makes a hit. I like his bulk and his ability to handle the short areas of the field. I particularly like his ability to blow up linemen coming forward. He's clearly not the top linebacker on the market, and he might have an adjustment period were he to sign with a 4-3 team, but I think a new position with new responsibilities would make him a more productive linebacker than he's been through his first four years. There are other linebackers I'd undoubtedly consider first, but Crowder wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.
Any thoughts on Crowder that you'd like to add? Take a gander at his stat line below, vote in the poll, and let's talk some about Channing Crowder this afternoon. Many thanks to Matty I for the valuable insight!
| Year | G | Tk | Sk | INT | FF | PD |
| 2005 | 16 | 85 | 0.0 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
| 2006 | 16 | 104 | 1.0 | 0 | 1 | 4 |
| 2007 | 11 | 77 | 0.5 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| 2008 | 15 | 113 | 0.0 | 0 | 1 | 6 |
| TOT | 58 | 379 | 1.5 | 0 | 3 | 14 |
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I have issues with the “lack of playmaker” plays. As you say Brian – we already have these.
Plus with him wanting more money than the Phin’s are potentially asking it could become too expensive for our ROI. But that wouldn’t exactly be out of the ordinary for OBD.
I’d like them to pass
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by J2 on Feb 2, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he’s not too expensive, it could work. I also don’t want to add another non-playmaker to our stable of horses(&#@) though.
I would think his numbers could increase moving outside in a 4-3, instead of play ILB in a 3-4. How often was he asked to go after the QB? Of course his sack numbers will likely underwhelm.
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by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Crowder had 6 passes defended last year...
1 less than Whitner has for his 3-year career. LOL. Seriously, I am not accepting any consolation prizes this offseason (Larry Triplett instead of Ryan Pickett, Marcus Stroud instead of Shaun Rogers, Marshawn Lynch instead of Adrian Peterson, Paul Posluszny instead of Patrick Wills or Jon Beason, etc.). Do it right and acquire some real difference-makers.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What are you talking about
Poz was the #1 LB on their board!!!!
Ugh
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by Kurupt on Feb 2, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Lynch was not only the #1 RB on their board, but their top player overall…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
How do you know that? Are you talking about their highest graded player available at #12 or top player over all the players in the draft? Adrian Peterson, Calvin Johnson, Gaines Adams…I’m at a loss for words.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m only serious in the sense that after the Lynch selection was made, Marv Levy told the press than when they chose at pick 12, the top three guys on their board were still available. Lynch was 1, Poz was 2, and Darrelle Revis was reportedly 3.
Of course I don’t know what their board really looked like. I just know what they say, which I realize isn’t close to always being the truth. So, in answer to your question, no, I wasn’t being totally serious.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good.
I almost had a heart attack :)
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by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Stroud better than Rogers, Lynch was not a consolation prize he was a terrific choice, and Poz has only played one full year. Larry Triplett was a consolation prize
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stroud/Rogers is personal preference, I guess. The Bills had to settle for Lynch because Peterson was already taken. Lynch was a good pick based on what was available, but he was also second-best.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By your logic you could never be satisfied with your team. It’s like the Saints saying they have to settle for Drew Brees because they couldn’t have Peyton Manning. Or the Cardinals being upset with Fitzgerald/Boldin because Fitzgerald/Moss would have been better. Lynch is a stud, who cares if he’s not Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch is everything we need in a running back.
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right.
I will never be satisfied. I want the very best of the best, paticularly at the game’s most important positions. I want dominant championship teams. I want dynasties.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and you dont build them with Adrian Petersons
Steelers dynasty, Patriots dynasty. I would say those teams were the closest thing to dynasties in this modern era. Their running backs during their championships were an aged Bettis, Parker, Morris, Maroney, Faulk. You don’t need specimens like Peterson to be a champion
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to mention Emmitt Smith, Franco Harris, and Jim Brown.
I get your point, though, and I think you get my point. Obviously, you can have a dynasty with or without a running back like Adrian Peterson. In the specific examples that you provided, while the running backs weren’t particularly special, the most important position on the field was special (in this case, Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady). Trent Edwards isn’t even close to being that caliber of a quarterback. Yes, you can build a dynasty in different ways, but more often than not (and possibly always), an elite quarterback is a common part of the equation.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do get your point.
But you don’t think Edward can potentially develop into a special QB?
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes. Potentially.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maroney never won a championship. Pittsburgh has now won two championships and the Mannings have won two more since New England last won (while cheating). I know this is besides your point, but it’s time the Patriots, their fans, and their cheerleaders in the media stop painting New England as the flagship franchise of the NFL. Here’e hoping that Buffalo can someday close the gap with the Dolphins. As far away as we are to New England, closing that gap won’t mean anything because they’re not even a playoff team at this point. They’re just another also-ran like whose best period in their team history has come and gone.
The passing of the torch is finally complete.
by Benjamin Salem on Feb 2, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I 100% agree
with most of your sentiment. I’m outspokenly annoyed by how much people put the Pats on a pedestal but let’s take a step back for one minute. First off, yes, New England’s pinnacle is past. Their defense is aging and getting worse every year, outside of their defensive line I would take the Bills linebackers (after FA!) and the Bills secondary over New England’s. Their offensive line is overrated and the most essential piece of their front office just bolted for Kansas City.
That said, you are crazy to think that we are farther from the Dolphins than the Pats. Let’s just remember one thing here, Salem, Tom Brady will be back next season and last time we saw him play he and Randy Moss and Wes Welker broke the records for most passing TDs, most receiving TDs, and most points in the NFL history! All of those records are directly tied to Brady, Moss, and Welker, which is the strenght of their team, and obviously a strong enough point to have carried them to an undefeated regular season when they were healthy.
Do not expect the Pats to be worse next year, we got it easy this season and we blew it. Brady is back.
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
people put the Pats on a pedestal
That’s not how I remember the saying. Then again, it’s been a while since I watched 40 Year Old Virgin.
I’ll be more impressed with the Pats (vomit) if they turn their defense back into a dominant unit. Until then, it’s just Tom Brady making a bunch of no-names look competent.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We’ll see. I’m not impressed with New England and their one-legged QB going forward. Patriots’ fans act like their team is despised universally out of jealousy when if I’m going to be jealous of anyone, it’s going to be the Steelers, Giants, and Colts rather than a team that won championships during the first Bush administration back when I was still in college. Buffalo needs to start hitting New England in the mouth and I think they’ll find out that their counter punch is not the given that it used to be.
The passing of the torch is finally complete.
by Benjamin Salem on Feb 2, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t and would agree with you Ben.
Agree – Patrios fans all stuck on themselves
Disagree: Patriots won 11 games without their MVP. As everyone knows this is a quarterbacks league – they are perennial playoff contenders and super bowl contenders. i really can’t see how you can say they are an “also-ran”.
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by J2 on Feb 2, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but who exactly did the Patriots beat this year that was so impressive? They had exactly THREE wins against winning teams – they beat 9-7 Arizona at home, the 11-5 Dolphins in Miami and the 9-7 Jets in New York. Do they get bonus points for running up the score against the Raiders? Was their 17-10 opening day win over the Chiefs really that impressive? They got absolutely lambasted by the Chargers and Dolphins.
Seriously. The teams the Pats beat were a combined 71-105 (.403 winning). The teams the Bills beat were a combined 34-78 (.303 winning). Why is it that the Bills suck so bad, but the Patriots are so great? The Pats simply took advantage of a ridiculously easy schedule, something the Bills themselves couldn’t do.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills do not suck so bad and the Pats are not the greatest but you can not deny that as long as Brady is playing NE will be a perennial contender in the division title race.
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I can’t deny that, nor would I be stupid enough to try it. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it that the Bills suck so bad, but the Patriots are so great?
whooooaaa slow down
all i’m saying is that they are a playoff team with Brady.
i really don’t know how anyone can say their not perennial playoff contenders. until they show otherwise when Brady is in the lineup they will always be playoff contenders as far as i’m concerned. just like the bills are perennial losers – until they prove otherwise – i’m not buying the kool-aid
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by J2 on Feb 2, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the thing with Crowder is his lack of “game-changing” plays. In 4 years as a starting linebacker, Crowder has just 1.5 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, 3 fumble recoveries, and no interceptions.
Um, aren’t we trying to change the attitude around here. We better get Vilma
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 12:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Vilma’s not an outside linebacker.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
apparently neither is Crowder.
Doesn’t mean we can’t move people around
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but there’s a difference between moving a 3-4 inside linebacker outside and moving a 4-3 inside linebacker who has never played outside to the outside. Plus, Vilma isn’t getting out of New Orleans.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could move Poz
And why would you say that Vilma has no chance of getting out of New Orleans. If I’m not mistaken, if the Saints resign him they have to send a 1st and 2nd rounder away to the Jets and Giants for him and Shockey, yes?
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re not mistaken, but both parties have also expressed the same desire: Vilma being back in New Orleans. Obviously it’s not a given, but a preference is a preference.
I wouldn’t be averse to moving Poz, but Dick Jauron probably would be.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yikes
I like Vilma but I don’t think he’s worth that much damage to your draft
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They’re working on finagling a way in which they have a “gentleman’s agreement” to re-sign prior to the start of free agency, waiting for Vilma to “hit the open market”, and then signing him so they can avoid the rules of that trade. Time will tell if it’ll work.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is that legal?
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by poz on Feb 2, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not. Why would legality stop a team from pursuing it?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with POZ on this one
Vilma would be a great fit in buffalo. I think Poz should be shifted to the outside. Vilma is a great MLB.
I actually think that Mitchell is better suited for the strong side and Poz would make a great WLB.
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by keysh67 on Feb 2, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think of the Steelers winning the Super Bowl with an average (at best) offensive line?
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by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but Big Ben is able to make up the different with his escapability.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 3, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly the point I was trying to make.
Many fans believe that games are won and lost in the trenches, end of story, no exceptions. I tend to disagree, although I do believe the offensive and defensive lines are very important. I think the quarterback is the most important position on the field. An elite quarterback can cover up for deficiencies or weaknesses on your roster like no other position can. Ben Roethlisberger leading the Steelers all the way to, and winning the Super Bowl behind a weak offensive line is a classic example.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 3, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is nothing, and I do mean nothing, like having an elite quarterback.
Anytime you have one, you have a chance.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
by Fort Worth on Feb 3, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Crowder!!!
I think Channing Crowder is a pretty darn good football player, who isn’t being used correctly in the 3-4… However, in the NFL he is a Middle LB only… I don’t think he’ d tranisition well to the outside… So what would the plan be with this guy… Him in the middle and move Poz to LOLB? I like Poz where he is, so I think you look elsewhere to find a legit Outside LB, prefereably one who is 6’3, 250 with 4.4 speed!!!
by D.C. Fan on Feb 2, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I fail to see the difference between a “legit” OLB that’s 6’3", 250 with 4.4 speed and an out-of-position 3-4 ILB that’s 6’2", 250 with 4.5 speed. What makes you think Crowder can’t play outside?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My feeling is that he’s not someone who’s vastly different (read: an improvement over) than Crowell. Why pay more for a similar player? I think everyone needs more info on where they’re at with Crowell.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone needs more info on where they’re at with Crowell.
The only info that matters is that Crowell fell out of favor with the coaching staff. Believe me or not, but the chances of Crowell coming back to Buffalo are remote. At least, if Dick Jauron has anything to say about it.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand he’s fallen out of favor, but perhaps they should put pride aside and realize the talent he would bring, versus paying more for someone less.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 2, 2009 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’re misunderstanding “fallen out of favor”. It’s not just about the surgery fiasco. They never liked his mind. They considered him one of Buffalo’s most mentally dim defenders. The way it was phrased to me was “Put Keith Ellison’s mind in Angelo Crowell’s body and you’ve got an All-Pro linebacker.”
It’s not that they’re miffed about the surgery thing. It’s that they were never enamored with him as a player to begin with.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 2, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They could look past surgery if they really liked him...
but they don’t so they IRed him and he is getting let go.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Eye In The Sky Doesn't Lie.
It says that Crowell has made more plays than Jauron’s beloved Whitner, Posluszny, and Kelsay combined.
I don’t question the reports that Jauron and his coaching staff are not enamored with Crowell. On the other hand, how can any sane person be happier with the play of Whitner, Poszluszny, and Kelsay more than the play of Crowell?
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by Fort Worth on Feb 2, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they never liked his mind...
Maybe they should have traded him? :]
by krytime on Feb 2, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love Chowder...
but I like the white New England Clam Chowder more than the red Manhattan.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 2:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As long as we're making stupid jokes...
Who’s the unfunny hag who belts people over the middle?
Carol Channing Crowder
by Ron From NM on Feb 2, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
zing!
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 2, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crowder is OK as long as the price isn't insane
I think if we have to choose between Crowder, Dansby or Hill, I would take hill because he would come cheaper than those other two, would be close Dansby and better than Crowder at OLB, and he is a healthy dude. The real dark horse in all of this is Crowell and what power DJ has with the inner circle in determining his roster this FA…
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by WABillsfan on Feb 3, 2009 2:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do you think the F/O would bring in a guy if the coach said he didn't want him?
I don’t care how much power he has in personnel-making, but most teams in the league wouldn’t bring in a guy against their coach’s wishes.
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