LB Crowell is fine contingency plan for Bills
by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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In September of 2008, the Buffalo Bills made some waves by placing linebacker Angelo Crowell on Injured Reserve. The surprising (and, in the case of most Bills fans, frustrating) move ended Crowell's 2008 season before it began despite the fact that Crowell had practiced the day prior to the move. The situation escalated a bit when it was revealed that Buffalo's coaching staff - which, to the dismay of the overwhelming majority of the fan base, remains intact five months later - didn't regard Crowell highly, and likely didn't see him as part of the franchise's long-term plans.
Back in December, Crowell made it known that he was open to re-signing with the Bills. The statement was considered a surprise given the strange circumstances surrounding Crowell's landing on IR in the first place; in reality, it was more indicative of Crowell's depressed market value than anything else. By making the statement, Crowell re-established himself as a viable option in the eyes of the fans. He may be growing more viable in the eyes of the franchise, as well.
Now, with the NFL's free agent signing period set to begin in under a week, Buffalo is still in need of a starting-caliber outside linebacker for the strong-side spot that Crowell was set to man last season. With the linebacker talent diminishing via free agency and very few options available via the draft, Crowell's name is quickly re-surfacing as a viable option in Buffalo.
Franchised 'backers limit options
Many fans, most definitely including yours truly, expected Buffalo to address their linebacker position via free agency, just as they did a calendar year ago when they brought in current weak-side starter Kawika Mitchell. Logic dictated that the team would allow Crowell to walk, sign a replacement and move on as they had moved on back in September.
Then two top linebacker targets, Seattle's Leroy Hill and Arizona's Karlos Dansby, were slapped with the franchise tag by their respective clubs. Those two moves severely depleted the depth available at outside linebacker in free agency. That doesn't mean that the position is completely devoid of talent, mind you; under-the-radar talents like Miami's Channing Crowder and recently released Houston LB Morlon Greenwood would sufficiently fill the void on the outside in Buffalo.
But the notion that the Bills will sign a linebacker is now anything but the slam-dunk it was once believed to be. With the market for Crowell's services expected to be low, re-signing Crowell - once considered a certain castoff - now makes a degree of sense.
Paul Posluszny and the draft
There is a portion of this fan base that believes it possible for the Bills to slide Paul Posluszny outside, considering Poz played on the edges during his illustrious career at Penn State. I'll never say never, but I will say that the team making a position switch with Poz is highly unlikely. Just as the Bills signed Mitchell specifically to play the weak side, the team drafted Poz specifically to play the middle spot. He made some strides last season in the middle, and if we're being brutally honest, Poz may lack the athletic chops to play outside in Buffalo's current defensive scheme (though his skills fit well schematically at his current locale).
For those of you looking at the draft as a spot to potentially fill this void, it's unlikely. Beyond the consensus top linebacker, Wake Forest's Aaron Curry (who seems likely to end up being a Top 5 selection in April), there are major question marks surrounding nearly every other outside linebacker prospect this season. It's very possible that Buffalo could target a linebacker this year; a well-kept secret is that current Patriots LB Jerod Mayo actually topped Buffalo's draft board last season. But no linebacker prospect is worth the eleventh selection outside of Curry, and with so many other needs to address, it's unlikely Buffalo will reach to fill this void.
Crowell the Contingency Plan
I'll go out on a limb here and maintain my stance that, if the Bills have it their way, Crowell won't be back. The fact that he's going to hit the open market, despite his lowered market and low degree of negotiating leverage, is indicative of Crowell being a contingency plan for the Bills. They're still going to entertain other options outside of Crowell for the strong-side spot. But to call a Crowell return "unlikely" - as I've done in the past - is becoming less wise every day.
The simple fact of the matter is that there aren't a lot of viable routes for the Bills to take regarding this linebacker spot. There are only a handful of names that would make more sense than re-signing Crowell, and it's entirely possible that the Bills ignore those names to address more pressing needs. If it comes to that, the Bills are still in a good position. You can do much worse than having Angelo Crowell as a contingency plan.
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I was just thinking about Crowell this morning...
As much as I know the Bills coaches don’t like him he is fast-becoming the best option available. This would allow them to not address LB with one of the first two picks in the draft. Crowder or Crowell with Hill and Dansby off the market make the most sense. Nice post Brian. You took the thoughts out of my head.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 12:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don’t blur the line between “not enamored with him” and “don’t like him”. They like him. They just don’t think the world of the guy.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's probably a good point Brian.
So they like him enough to not get rid of him last offseason and he can still contribute… just at their price.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They think he’s a starter, but think there’s better. He’s between “meh” and “this guy is real solid” for them.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Special Teams
I forget if Crowell was much of a Special Teams player during the early years. I remember he was a backup the first 2 or 3 years, but did he play (well) in STs? The other LB taken the same year (I believe) was Haggen.
by labill on Feb 20, 2009 12:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Crowell hasn’t played special teams in a couple of years.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are on Chris Brown's wavelength, Brian
This was just put up at buffalobills.com:
“It sounds as if the Bills might play the wait and see game, to see if Crowell garners any interest on the free agent market. In all likelihood Crowell will have to settle for a "prove it" type contract where he signs a one-year deal and proves with his play that he cannot only stay healthy, but contribute in a way that he has in the past when he was a 100 tackle performer for Buffalo.”
I am really hoping that the Bills get a LB in free agency, though hopes of that happening took some franchise tag hits this week. With Corto, Costanzo and Lehman all being expendable signing Crowell is looking better and better—particularly if he takes either a ‘prove it’ deal or a very modest 3-4 year contract.
by Ron From NM on Feb 20, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
particularly if he takes either a ‘prove it’ deal or a very modest 3-4 year contract.
Especially good for both sides would be to combine and do a 3-4 year modest prove-it contract where the base salary is low but it has a lot of incentives for tackles or playing time.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 12:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, good, I beat him by eight minutes. I swear we didn’t collaborate on this.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of Crowell on a 1 year prove it deal for us
With Hill and Dansby gone, it remains to be seen if the Bills like Greenwood, Crowder, or Boley better. I think if we bring Angelo back on a one year, we should target a smart, fast, tough kid to take his job the year after. I think someone like Jason Williams of Western Illinois could be that type. He is 6-1 and 236 with a ton of sideline to sideline speed. His coaches had him make the defensive calls the past couple of seasons as well.
Mortt Ivy of WVU could be another later round learn and then move into to start guy, he is big at nearly 6-2 and 239.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 21, 2009 5:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It never seemed like many bloggers here had a problem kicking the man when he was down.
How times have changed.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We keep saying it though...
The Bills coaches don’t want him back. That’s why he was placed on IR. But given the lack of talent out there it would be stupid to not consider him. Situations change sometimes requiring strange bedfellows.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Situations change.
I understand it is normal for many fans to have knee-jerk reactions and only remember what is current.
Available or not, when healthy, I don’t see a significant difference between Crowell, Hill, and Crowder anyway.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i completely agree
I have to agree with Ft. Worth here. So many on this blog were so convinced that Crowell was a definite goner that suggesting he would be resigned was greeted with “its not going to happen, move on”. I find it amazing how quick people were to accept discarding a player who was our best defender two years ago. It never made sense to let him walk and it still doesn’t. The bandwagon just got out of control. Crowell is better than Crowell, Hill and Boley and he is cheaper, I like to think our front office is smarter than to let a cheaper, better commodity walk, thereby opening a glaring hole in our defense just because they aren’t enamored with him. It’s not definite, but like Ft. Worth I’m amused by the fact that now the sharp rhetoric has shifted. Crowell never deserved the treatment he got from the fans or the rash decision to want him out of here.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't have said it better myself, Poz.
Why does it seem like we suddenly have some new passengers aboard? LOL…
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally don't think Crowell is better than Hill
When healthy he is better than Boley and on the same level as Crowder.
I like to think our front office is smarter than to let a cheaper, better commodity walk, thereby opening a glaring hole in our defense just because they aren’t enamored with him.
What you’re saying is that if you don’t want to build around a guy you should keep him anyways an I don’t agree with that. That’s a recipe for mediocre. Nobody out there is better so we can settle for him. I think the Bills were going to try and get better but now with their other holes to fill and no real great options at OLB in free agency, Crowell becomes an option again.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no, thats not it all
on every team there are going to be players you are not enamored with and players you don’t build around. They are called role players, periphery members of the team. In the case of those types of players you want productive and talented guys who won’t cost you a fortune…Crowell fits that bill.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crowell fits that bill
absolutely. But if you can get rid of that roleplayer for a playmaker like Hill, wouldn’t you? If you can upgrade any position on the roster shouldn’t you?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Therein lies the difference.
I don’t think that Hill is that much of an upgrade over Crowell, if at all. Throw in the difference in cost, and you have your decision. On top of that, the Bills know Crowell and Crowell knows the Bills. The same can’t be said about Hill. Of course, all of this is based on Crowell’s full recovery.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
MRW what has Hill ever done to prove he is any more of a playmaker than Crowell? He had one season, his rookie campaign with 7.5 sacks and thats it. Lets look at their last three playing years.
Crowell: 2.0 sacks, 2.0 sacks, 3.0 sacks / 2 Int, 2 Int, 1 Int / 126 tackles, 82 tackles, 119 tackles
Hill: 2.0 sacksm 3.0 sacks, 1.0 sacks / 0 Int, 0 Int, 0 Int / 92 tackles, 81 tackles, 84 tackles
To the contrary, I would say Crowell is a bigger playmaker than Hill. If you add that to the fact that Ft. Worth pointed out
the Bills know Crowell and Crowell knows the Bills
You have no basis to say Hill is the playmaker Crowell is not. Even in his one rookie campaign of 7.5 sacks he still only registered 72 tackles and 0 Interceptions. What kind of playmaker goes four season with no picks? Even Poz has more!!
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by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Playmaker reference was to what you said about role player vs. playmakers.
I have never seen Hill play and I have seen Crowell play. Much like we said before “the grass is greener…” I like Crowell but this whole thing last offseason bothered me with how he handled it. I don’t think Crowell is considerably better than Hill and I don’t think that Hill is considerably better than Crowell.
If the coaching staff doesn’t think he’s a playmaker they should get rid of him and replace him to get a playmaker. They should try and get better. THat was all I meant to imply.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If the coaching staff doesn’t think he’s a playmaker they should get rid of him and replace him to get a playmaker. They should try and get better.
Yeah, because I’d trust this staff to bring a playmaker in. We’d get another Poz at LB, someone who is solid, but doesn’t have much of an impact. If we want a playmaking LB, Crowell may be the best option, at least when money is considered….
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you may be right...
But HIll also may have been the best option. The point is moot obviously.
Whether you trust the staff or not poz is settling for mediocre which I don’t want to do. Kurupt you have said the same darn thing about the defensive backs for cryin out loud!
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But Hill wouldn’t have been THAT much better of an option than Crowell, especially with the money involved. That’s all I’m trying to point out.
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can give you that.
But when you know a commodity and don’t know another, it’s at least fair to explore the other option.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hill, with all due respect, is way better than Crowell at this point, all factors considered, including price tag. But lets just let next season unfold to prove my point…
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by thurman on Feb 21, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how in the world am I settling for mediocre??????
HIll also may have been the best option
You just said that after I pointed out that Crowell has been better statistically in all categories! If Crowell is better than Boley, Hill, Crowder, etc how is keeping him settling for mediocre. You know darn well that Crowell is a better than mediocre linebacker
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i’d say “you know damn well” – just sounds better
:)
oh and i agree with you
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by J2 on Feb 20, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
I figure there has to be some kiddies trolling around these sites, just trying to be considerate. But now that you mention it, darn does sound a lot lamer
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I used darn earlier...
I can’t very well say someone else can’t swear if I can’t.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
darn really just isn’t used much these days anymore is. Maybe we can bring it back…
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the way people value my opinion
I highly doubt it.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the Saturn Nebula?
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by keuka121 on Feb 20, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think so – just some random planetary nebula
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by J2 on Feb 20, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sho enough. Great avatar.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.daviddarling.info/images/Saturn_Nebula.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/S/Saturn_Nebula.html&usg=__sKabvqc5vURYDphj052ofzH1LNk=&h=400&w=400&sz=27&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=uEumIvI2PoLT3M:&tbnh=124&tbnw=124&prev=/images3Fq3Dsaturn2Bnebula26um3D126hl3Den26sa%3DN
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by keuka121 on Feb 20, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i love astronomy – so sweeeeeet
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by J2 on Feb 20, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Crowell but....
If the coaches or front office think he’s mediocre… they should try to upgrade the position.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well that goes for any position – obviously
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by J2 on Feb 20, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how can you upgrade the linebacker position at this point without using a 1st rounder on a linebacker? You sign Crowell who is a free agent. That’s the best move to upgrade over Ellison.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point?
It’s Crowell or the draft no question. We are in total agreement on that.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya see
there, that is an example of coming to a consensus. Congress and the entire Middle East can learn a little lesson here.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Congress and the entire Middle East can learn a little lesson here.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
did you see them debate the stimulus in congress on CSPAN? well i’m a loser and I did – bipartisanship couldn’t be more apparent – its disgraceful how far apart our elected leaders are.
the american people need to put increased pressure on term limits for these jokers. i mean kennedy’s been a senator for almost 50 freaking years
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by J2 on Feb 20, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh I happen to be a CSPAN junky as well
talking heads…its disgraceful
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by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
J2, that sure looks like the Saturn Nebula to me.
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by keuka121 on Feb 20, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s t he only thing our fouinding fathers messed up on. No term limits.
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by keuka121 on Feb 20, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How can
a coaching staff or front office that has a love affair with Chris Kelsay have any credibility with respect to player evaluation?
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that's an interesting statement.
So just to argue with you….
Do other teams not give out bad contracts? Jerry Porter and Drayton Florence ring a bell and that was just last year. Javon Walker? Nothing? Detroit?
Other teams make mistakes in singing players too.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
However,
you don’t hear other teams continue to gush and blush over those players.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cap hits vs. sacks
Trevor Pryce: 5.25M for 4.5 sacks
Kyle Vanden Bosch: 5.675M for 4.5 sacks
Antwan Odom: 5.7M for 3 sacks
KGB: 7.725 for 0.5 sacks
Those guys all had cap hits bigger than kelsay this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, having lived out here on the WC for over 3 years, I can tell you once again
Julian Peterson, Patrick Kearney and Daryl Tapp were brought in, you see an according dip in the amount of sacks Hill racked up. Why? Because Holmgren and his staff want pressure from the front 4 ONLY. They prefer to have their LBers back in coverage all the time.
Hill rushed so much his rookie year simply because the Seahawks really didn’t have anyone else to do the job at that time who could do it. So he got a bunch, then they had him go back into coverage after that, which is not his best job.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 21, 2009 6:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what I've been saying all along
When money is considered Crowell is a better option than Hill. But you brushed off my idea last time until Hill got franchised.
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by moncheri on Feb 21, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"If the coaching staff doesn’t think he’s a playmaker they should get rid of him and replace him to get a playmaker."
Are you talking about the same coaching staff that is enamored with “playmakers” such as Kelsay, Whitner, Ellison, Poz, Royal, etc.?
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they're enamored with anyone on your list...
with the one exception of Poz.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are quite enamored with Kelsay. Why else is he still here?
And Whitner, they must love the guy too.
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whitner is playing his rookie contract.
I can understand why they don’t give up on him even if they aren’t enamored with him anymore.
Kelsay on the other hand…. He had that 5.5 sacks year and got his contract. Maybe after last year they didn’t want to cut him cause they thought he’d bounce back. I am hoping you will see them cut him this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you so sure?
Jauron has a personal mancrush on Whitner and Poz. Jauron handpicked all of them, to say the least.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Marv and Jauron drafted Whitner, and Jauron has essentially been the final decision-maker since he got here.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was in support of him from the start. I want him to return, regardless of who else is available.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 20, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ft Worth, I for one am a Crow Fan
Just wonder how healthy he really is. Speed is Key at OLB in our D. Kawika is a tad slow in my book.
So if the Crow flies (bad pun) what are our remaining FA options?
UFAs
Channing Crowder – a SAM backer
Michael Boley – IMHO a better Will Backer
Marcus Washington, Sam just let go by Skins (age/injury???)
and this RFA
Rashad Jeanty, Bengals
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by freddyjj on Feb 20, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We are in the minority.
Many bloggers here had closed the book on Crowell back in September and kicked him to the curbside with the assumption that he would never play a down for the Bills ever again. After he went on injured reserve, they all said that Crowell wasn’t a good player anyway and therefore he was not a significant loss. Now they want to come back and support him.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Crowell.
I like that we drafted him in a late round and he developed. But it’s a pretty clear sign from management when they put him on IR.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 21, 2009 8:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t call a 3rd rounder a late pick…
by krytime on Feb 21, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was a fifth for some reason...
my mistake.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 21, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Poz is not a good MLB in the current scheme
Brian, I have to disagree with you that Poz has the skills to play MLB in the current scheme. He certainly plays it , but not well.He has a very difficult time with pass coverage in this scheme that spills over to him stopping the run. He has the potential to be an all-pro, but not as an MLB in this scheme.
by gjv on Feb 20, 2009 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
partially agree
As I have said many times, Poz is totally overrated. He is particularly bad as a “read and react” MLB. He neither reads or reacts fast enough. He is the master of the tackle 7 yards down field.
by jpheff on Feb 20, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
London Fletcher
He is the master of the tackle 7 yards down field.
Even though I disagree about the base of your statement about Poz, I have to say that London Fletcher is the King of that particular group.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 21, 2009 8:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think every middle linebacker in football is the master of that. That is part of the responsibility of middle linebackers, they get schemed to be taken out of football games and just don’t make many plays in the backfield. Watch Urlacher or Demeco Ryans or any of the best 4-3 MLBs and they just don’t make that many tackles within a few yards of the LOS. If we are going to rip Poz it should be because he is mediocre in coverage and an awful blitzer. I think he does a really solid job against the run.
by kaisertown on Feb 21, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously...
He was not made to be a great pass zone defender. He was made to tackle stuff. He does that well.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 21, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The big question tho is whether another team will take him. I was on the Bengals message board the other day and you can’t believe how many posters were talking about adding Crowell. If that happens, and Crowder and Bart Scott are resigned by their current teams (which could easily happen), the Bills will be wishing that they had resigned their wayward OLB as well.
by Macktruck on Feb 20, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fan interest in a player isn’t the same as team interest in a player. Crowell’s a name, but like Chris Brown says (see above), he’s damaged goods and will likely sign a prove-it deal. I doubt Cincinnati pursues him heavily.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my only concern is...
If they were open to bringing him back, why haven’t we heard any discussions taking place. We could have started talking to him at any point after the season, and if we had serious interest, you’d have to believe that we would at least begin conversations at this point. In light of the recent LBs to come off the market, I hope the Bills are seriously considering bringing him back.
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by evdawg419 on Feb 20, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A slow process is the standard procedure at OBD.
Reactive, not proactive. Unfortunately, we’ve all gotten used to it.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this particular situation has a lot more to do with Crowell being a contingency plan. If he weren’t exactly that, he wouldn’t be hitting the market.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeh you're definitely right
because he’ll be hitting the open market.
from http://blogs.wivb.com/2009/02/19/jauron-on-crowell-hardy/
"Angelo is a free agent," Jauron tokd us, "and he’ll be on the free agent market next week. We’ll see where it goes. We’ll see how much interest there is, the price, and take if from there."
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by evdawg419 on Feb 20, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn’t even seen that. Good catch.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very interesting...
we’ll see if he’s not signed in a week what his price is…
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As The Crow Flies
Crowell can be a playmaker, remember why Takeo Spikes was let go? Jauron and Marv loved Crow’s playmaking abilities. I still think he has it, he just screwed OBD last year the day after final cuts were made.He should have just come clean and told OBD that he wanted to have the surgery, then OBD could have adjusted their cuts accordingly, instead they were left scrambling and they put him on the IR list in retaliation (I have no doubt). Now that some of the other options are off the table, cooler heads are prevailing. POZ, I like the stat comparisons between Hill and Crow, I am a Crow fan, but I actually thought Hill was a bigger playmaker (I let NFLN talking heads get to me), how wrong was I.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 20, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depending on the contract....
I actually would like them to resign him. I think they give him a prove it deal or a very incentive laden contract for say 3 years and see what we have.
he was productive and definately an upgrade from the other tweeners we got as backups
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
by J2 on Feb 20, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would like to have the Bills
pick up Jonathan Vilma and have Poz move to the strong side.
by gjv on Feb 20, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am maintaining my position all along, Crowell will be back
Despite claims that coaches don’t like him or whatever the fact always was and continues to be that Crowell makes the most sense in terms of economics and in terms of the skill you get for the price. To me, Leroy Hill, Channing Crowder and Michael Boley are all just as good if not slightly worse than Crowell. They also will all be more expensive. Crowell is coming back.
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by poz on Feb 20, 2009 12:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If healthy,
I say the Crowell should come back, but I don’t know if he will come back. Don’t forget that Jauron likes to collect the players that don’t make plays like Kelsay and Whitner.
I agree. Crowell is, overall, either equal to or better than Hill, Crowder, Boley, or Scott.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
responded to your post above at the same time. a simultaneous agreement
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree vehemently. Whatever. Hill is gone. It has come to this. My fellow Bills fans are letting themselves think Crowell would be better than Hill.
Another hole in the hull.
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by thurman on Feb 21, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is better
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 21, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is....
Rey Maualuga not worth the 11th pick? You may not want the guy but he’s certainly a Top 10 TALENT…. and definitely just as talented as Jerod Mayo, if not more.
I got a question (for everyone)…. if the Bills do not select a DE with the first pick…. who/what do y’all want instead?
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 20, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
trade down for Mack or grab Raji. But in all honesty, it better be a DE or a trade down.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Taj MaRaji
Stroud won’t play forever, I like Raji a lot. If no DE is available AND all options to trade down have been exhausted, Raji is my pick.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 20, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if the Bills do not select a DE with the first pick…. who/what do y’all want instead?
Do you mean actually opening up our minds to drafting players, not positions? How refreshing! All I keep hearing about is Brown, Orakpo, Orakpo, Brown, Brown, Orakpo, Orakpo, Brown, Brown, Orakpo, Orakpo, Brown, Brown, Orakpo, Orakpo, Brown, Brown, Orakpo, Orakpo, Brown, Brown.
How about drafting the best player available?
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to balance
Are the Steelers gonna draft Matt Stafford if he falls to them at number 32 just because he’s the best player available? No. That is ridiculous. You draft a great player at a position of need. Brown and Orakpo are also Top ten talents and play where we need somebody. Their value to us goes up because of that.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with pretty much everything you just wrote.
I would love to discuss draft philosophy, but I don’t think this is the ideal post for it and more importantly, I’ve already stated my case and I don’t think other bloggers here wish to read it again. Maybe in a separate post. I could go on forever about draft philosohy.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You obviously didn't read my draft
I have the Bills taking Maualuga at #11 or trading back with the Lions (getting Pettigrew and Brace) or Eagles (getting Pettigrew and Mack). Brown will be long gone by #11 and—even as a UT alum—Orakpo kind of scares me. He strikes me as a workout warrior and we’re hearing rumblings about the consistency of his effort.
The problem with BPA is that the BPA at #11 is unlikely to be a C, DE, LB (who fits Buffalo’s system) or TE.
by Ron From NM on Feb 20, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Close-minded drafting.
I wasn’t singling out any one individual, but the Orakpo, Brown, Brown, Orakpo, etc. discussion is definitely the general consensus on this blog.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Maclin
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
… did not see that one coming.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well get ready, I might have to start spreading the word that I like Maclin as a backup option after the DE’s.
I don’t want any LB other than Curry there. No Maualuga and no Laurinaitis, PLEASE.
I don’t want a DB.
I don’t want an OT.
I don’t want Mack that early.
I’m not a huge fan of Raji, and think he’ll be gone anyhow
No QB or RB.
I hate the thought of Pettigrew, just hate it.
So what’s left if Brown, Orakpo and Maybin aren’t options?
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of agree with you K
Maclin would be the next best option after a DE if we dont trade down
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I now hear you on no Maualuga. I used to want him for MLB, but after more research, he wouldn’t fit super well.
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by thurman on Feb 21, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Way to think outside the box, K!
Not saying that I like Maclin that much, though.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I’ve been hinting at my desire to add more playmakers on offense and Maclin would easily fit that description. I still want a pass rusher, but after that, I’m really warming to the idea of taking Maclin there if he’s available. Maclin is a big play threat every time he touches the ball, something nobody else on our offense is. If only we didn’t have so many bigger needs right now….
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maclin is a big play threat every time he touches the ball, something nobody else on our offense is.
I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. The threat of a big play exists every time Royal touches the ball; it’s just not typically the kind of big play Bills fans like to see.
by thatguy34 on Feb 20, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
e.g. Royal fumbles the ball away to the other team
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by WABillsfan on Feb 21, 2009 6:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahh crap Mike Florio has the Bills picking Maclin
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's an idiot!
He has us picking Maclin while Crabtree is still on the board…
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by keysh67 on Feb 20, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I must say that I am warming up to the idea of taking Pettigrew at 11
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by keysh67 on Feb 20, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then you should love the idea of trading back to around 20...
….and getting Pettigrew then.
by Ron From NM on Feb 20, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly do not disagree with you
I just don’t believe for one second that our FO is smart enough for a trade down.
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by keysh67 on Feb 20, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think they might be
If there’s no one on the board at #11 they really want then I can see it happening.
by Ron From NM on Feb 20, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll believe it when I see it!
I still have nightmares of the 2006 draft. I was on the edge of my seat anxiously awaiting Ngata’s name being called when out of the absolute blue – They picked Whitner!! Most guys had him going in round 2!!
I have come to accept (NOT) the fact that our FO is made up of idiots and that they didn’t want Ngata but if Whitner was indeed the next on their board, then they should have traded downwards, which they did not!
So I will remain very skeptical that they actually know how to do such a thing as negotiate a trade downwards… Maybe they are scared of not knowing what to do with the extra picks?
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by keysh67 on Feb 20, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ngata Schmata
Please, at every freakin’ Bills blog I have to hear the same crap about Ngata/Whitner. LET IT GO! Why are so many people down on Whitner? Is our defense that good? So good in fact that we have so few holes to fill and should give up on a young player who rarely makes mistakes (key to getting playing time), is good tackler, is a great leader who takes younger players under his wing (McKelvin), and actually has deep speed for a FS (not as common as you think)? As you can see, I like Whitner and I think with more competant players on his side of the ball and with an actual pass rush, he would be able to make plays. Di you honestly think Ed Reed would have hd so many interceptions if he were on the Bills defenses of the last few years? There must a consistent pass rush to force the QB to make bad throws.
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 20, 2009 6:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that Whitner’s game has more holes then you say, but that said:
I have to hear the same crap about Ngata/Whitner. LET IT GO!
I have to agree with this. I would prefer Ngata, but it does get a little old after a while.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 20, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine.
Make it Cutler/Whitner instead of Ngata/Whitner. Happy? Just kidding…LOL.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 21, 2009 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you at least read the essence of the point I was making?
This was not a Whitner bashing session at all! I was implying that they really reached for whitner instead of finding a way to trade down, which was the point that I was making… Our FO is not very good at trading down.
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by keysh67 on Feb 21, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good tackler? Please review the ’08 season. Be sure to add coverage skill and pursuit angle.
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by thurman on Feb 21, 2009 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NorCal
You’re brand spanking new so I’ll let you know that a few weeks ago we did a couple of statistical analyses of Whitner’s play. Despite the positive attributes he does possess, he has done very little making plays. Check out this link for more info if you want. It’s all the stuff we have done about Whitner.
I, too, am sick of hearing about Ngata/Whitner but that won’t get Whitner out of hot water.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 21, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll need a bottle of scotch before I’m warmed up to that idea!
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by Kurupt on Feb 21, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we can make that happen.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 21, 2009 8:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maualuga isn’t an outside linebacker. Poz not moving + Maualuga not playing on the outside = Maualuga isn’t part of this discussion.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Poz + Maualuga + Competition = Improved Roster.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also = overpriced backup middle linebacker.
We’ve had a lot of competition here over the past few years, Fort, but our roster still sucks. I like Maualuga as a prospect, but definitely don’t want to see him here.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If not a DE then Peria Jerry.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
by keuka121 on Feb 20, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would we have done with Poz if Mayo had been picked?
I’d be ok w/Crowell returning on the prove it deal that we’ve been mentioning all along. I still don’t think the coaching staff wants him though. However, at this point, Crowell would be a smarter choice than giving a bigger deal to Crowder. Crowell is probably a better option than Greenwood, who’s gotten up there in age. Boley is an ok option, but I can’t get the fact that he lost his job to Coy Wire out of my mind……..
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mayo would have played on the outside.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like to think that Poz and Mayo both have some inside/outside versatility.
At the end of the day, great players will find a way to get on the field and play. If I remember correctly, Wade Phillips changed the Bills’ defense from a 4-3 to a 3-4 primarily to get Sam Cowart on the field. Of course, Cowart was never the same after his injury.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 20, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Poz has any inside/outside versatility, and I also think Mayo is a better MLB than him by a significant margin. OH well, this is a non-topic for the most part!
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've said all along that Crowell was a keeper
He won’t be expensive to keep, he knows our system and I think that he is better than people give him credit for.
I like the idea of bringing in Jonathan Vilma, swinging Poz to SLB and having Crowell/Digi/Ellisson for depth.
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by keysh67 on Feb 20, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s way more depth than we need at linebacker, particularly with so many more needs to fill.
I’m telling you guys, we spend a lot of time defensively playing with only two linebackers on the field… so this spot isn’t necessarily all that important.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
UPDATE
the Redskins have just released linebacker Marcus Washington, the former Pro Bowler. So there is another option back into the pool
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 2:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A guy who plays in two less games every year?
No thanks..
2005 – 16 games
2006 – 14 games
2007 – 12 games
2008 – 10 games
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if the NFL switches to a 17 game schedule at some point? Does that affect the two game trend?
by thatguy34 on Feb 20, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know....
I think Crowell is a much better option than Washington at least this year
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!!
I love this site! There is some serious blogging going on here guys!
I just wish we had a better team.
Anyhow, Crowell is gone. End of subject. Someone will take a gamble on him in FA and give him an incentive laden contract. Juaron dislikes him and with Mitchell being more of a leader, he too dislikes Crowell. Also, how good will he be after the surgery? Is it going to slow him down any?
I would LOVE if the Bills brought in Vilma to play the middle and Poz on the outside. That isn’t going to happen either. Don’t get your hopes up.
Maclin is NOT worthy of 11, but I would pick him at 42. He won’t last till then. Nix is the most talented receiver out there.
Washington I would take. Awesome veteran with passion, speed and size.
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 20, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Maclin will be a top 10 pick before he falls anywhere near round 2….
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by Kurupt on Feb 20, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There is some serious blogging going on here guys!
Ain’t it the truth. If half of the people here are at work like I am then some employers are really getting mugged today. This is a great site.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 20, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What's that boss? Yeah I got those TPS reports right here...
blog, blog, blog
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 20, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TPS reports with gutted bass.
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by thurman on Feb 21, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very true K - Maclin is an awesome talent but will he hold up physically in the NFL?
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 20, 2009 3:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He’s 6’1", 200 lbs. I don’t see why he wouldn’t…
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by Kurupt on Feb 21, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Work Poz? Yeah I do some of that - ha ha
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by Cutter3636 on Feb 20, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
As an aside...
Does anyone else think the white pants with (hideous) jersey combo in the Crowell picture looks a lot better than the dark pants and (hideous) jersey?
by Ron From NM on Feb 20, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
R-u a fashion designer?
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by keysh67 on Feb 20, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the white on the bottom dark on top....
but we should bring back the royal blues full time.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 20, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why not go back to the Chuck Knox era look ala Joe Cribbs
Dark pant w/ White away jersey top on the road
White pants w/ Dark Home Jersey top at home
This was the original idea in 2002 – and what Sam Adams wore when he took the Brady Pick to the house!
by freddyjj on Feb 20, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, the throwback royal is the best
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by keysh67 on Feb 21, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like white on white
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by Kurupt on Feb 21, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets hope...
…the front office decides that the play on the field is more important than the fashion show. With the exception of the Seattle, San Diego, and KC and the second half of the St. Louis games, they looked like idiots way too much last year no matter what uni’s they were wearing. Dumb mistakes and dumb penalties were a back-breaker last year. Jauron and staff needs way more dicipline and more 2-a-days in Training Camp. You do not baby and pamper a team that completely folded the last half of the season and went 0-6 within its own division. The Dolphins and Jets improved tremedously from the previous year to last, so its time the Bills took that leap forward too.
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by JTM1023 on Feb 20, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Asking DJ and Co. to get tougher is like tasking a Hamster to protect the Hen House from the fox
It doesn’t happen, and if it did, its such a mismatch that it all goes down the drains real quick.
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by WABillsfan on Feb 21, 2009 6:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But no linebacker prospect is worth the eleventh selection outside of Curry
Unless one considers Maybin capable of manning an OLB position, which I believe he is.
I've been feeling Buffalo ill.
by ChipShot on Feb 20, 2009 6:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but are you drafting Maybin at 11 to play linebacker?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 20, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Draft Day Suprises
The combine just started so there will undoubtedly be some changes to the current thinking after everyone works out. What happens if Moreno runs a 4.3 or something crazy? I think the big 3 OTs will be taken early, and no QBs taken in the top 10 (except maybe SF@ #10) which will push a couple of guys down to us, giving us more options to pick from and more ammo to trade with (Stafford & Sanchez still available at #11).
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