Would you do it?

by Cutter3636 on Feb 22, 2009 12:42 PM EST Comment 34 comments

Without a doubt in my mind I would pull the trigger. I am talking about a trade of our first round pick to the Texans for Owen Daniels. I wouldn't even hesitate. Daniels is 6'3" and 247 lbs. with a solid frame and an excellent pass catching tight end. He caught 70 passes last year for over 800 yards. That is astounding in today's NFL considering not many people even know who the guy is.

Now you may say that he only caught two touchdown passes the whole year, so what is the big deal? Simply put, Daniels can get open and he can catch the ball. Does this sound familiar when you are discussing the Bills recent tight ends? NO. What makes this whole scenario even better is that Daniels had his coming out year while playing with different QBs the entire year, flopping between Schaub and Rosenfels. Oh, I almost forgot too mention that the Texans have Texas size problems on the o-line as well. (They are very average, they make Miami's o-line look good).Lastly, many of you will argue that Andre Johnson is a huge target and took the pressure off of Daniels, allowing him to get open. In short, Lee Evans could do the same for Daniels AND the Texans don't have an adequate number two receiver either.

Trent needs a pass catching TE in the worst way and with our offensive line and two headed monster at running back (lay off the green Marshawn), Daniels would be a great threat.

I love it - what do you guys think?

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Depends

If Houston tenders him at Rd 2 compensation, no rainer to go after him.
At cost of Rd 1 pick at # 11, only if we think all top 3 DEs, Curry and Raji are off the board.

by freddyjj on Feb 22, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I am so with you Cutter!

I love Daniels, hes only 26, and if we were going to draft a TE in the 1st(like many analysts say we are) I would so much rather have Daniels than Pettigrew

by The Wagon on Feb 22, 2009 1:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

No way.

Buffalo needs the #11 pick, specifically to trade down and get a 20ish pick and at least another 2nd rounder. Trading away #11 kills all of Buffalo’s draft weekend options. Plus, it forces the team to choose between a starting C or a (second tier) DE.

After squandering the #11 for Daniels:

Option 1: starting C in the 2nd (likely the 3rd off the board) and another Kelsay in the 3rd
Option 2: second tier DE in the 2nd and a project C in the third.

No thanks. Now, if it only costs the Bills a 2nd rounder to get Daniels it’s an entirely different question.

Option 1: stay put at #11 and get a starting DE if a top guy is somehow still there and a project C in the third.
Option 2: trade back from #11 and get a starting C in the 1st or 2nd and a second tier DE (possibly the 4th off the board…though Barwin is more likely)

The ideal would be to trade with Philly for a pair of first rounders.

by Ron From NM on Feb 22, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

it looks like a center has to be had in the draft Ron.

I know you are looking to upgrade center, as am I, but I’m concerned that the draft may be the only way. Rotoworld.com wrote that

Free agent G/C Jason Brown is reportedly believed to be targeting a deal like Alan Faneca got from the Jets last year.
If so, the Ravens can forget about keeping him. Faneca got $40 million over five years. Brown, 26 in May, has never made a Pro Bowl. Faneca has eight.

If that’s the case I can’t imagine the Bills forking over 8 to 9 mil a year for Brown.

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 22, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Brown may be targeting 8-9 mil, but we will see if anyone wants to hit that target.

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when they come for you?

by Joe P. on Feb 22, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yikes!

It’s crazy to pay that much when a late first/early second round pick will pay for lots less….and quite possibly be even better.

by Ron From NM on Feb 22, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Brown is 8M a year.

He’ll get it somewhere too.

Ron I know you don’t want Matt Birk but I wouldn’t mind starting him with a developmental Center behind him.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

depends

on who the Bills are targeting in the draft and the likelihood that that player is there. If the Bills were never seriously considering Pettigrew then I don’t see them making the move as it tells me they were never serious about upgrading the position. If they were looking hard at Pettigrew then I think it would be a good choice to make a move for daniels.

by gatornation on Feb 22, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

it tells me they were never serious about upgrading the position

Hold on a sec…. Taking a TE in round 2 or 3 isn’t seriously upgrading the position? Jared Cook, Travis Beckum, etc. All these guys would upgrade the TE position.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would

be willing to send a second round if thats the tender. A first is way to high for me as we have so many other needs.

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 22, 2009 2:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Unless the first round pick is in the high 20’s and Buffalo has somehow picked up another 1st, 2nd, or 3rd, I say no way.

by krytime on Feb 22, 2009 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

No, I wouldn't do it

After seeing what TE Jared Cook did at the combine today, I think the Bills should go after him. 4.5 forty yd dash. 41 inch vertical. Play maker in college. This guy might be worthy of the #11 pick.

Daniels is good, but he’s not as physically gifted as Cook. Cook is more of a Big play and mismatch TE as a receiver.

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by buffaloboy90 on Feb 22, 2009 4:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think Daniels can block

Cook reportedly can’t…or at least hasn’t to this point in his career. I’m not against taking Cook, particularly if the Bills think they can teach him to block….maybe have him room with Fine and hope something rubs off on him. With that said, an all around guy makes more sense overall than a guy who is pretty much a one trick pony.

by Ron From NM on Feb 22, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Blocking

Reportedly, he’s not the best blocker. But, the Bills already have a really good blocker in Derek Fine. Cook gives them something they don’t have. You’re right though, since he’s not complete, he might not be worth of the 11th pick.

How good of a blocker is antonio gates though?

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by buffaloboy90 on Feb 22, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

above average. Gates has a solid 260 pound frame and enjoys the physical aspect of the game. Cook’s problem is that he is open and honest about not wanting to block a lot at the next level. It’s kinda the way Shockey thinks that teams are shortening his career and sapping his receiving abilities by making him block as much as they do.

by kaisertown on Feb 22, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cook is a WR pretending to be a TE. When asked about whether he liked to block he told an interviewer that he didn’t. No chance that the Bills will draft anyone like that. The guy they should go after is Shawn Nelson, who also ran a 40 in the 4.5’s at the combine. Nelson has great hands, can run seam routes with no problem, and is also a reasonably good blocker (as he showed at the Senior Bowl). He’s a lot cheaper than Owen Daniels and will probably be a better TE within a year or two.

by Macktruck on Feb 22, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

For the record.

Nelson never blocked in college either. None of these guys do because they have scrubs come in and do the blocking.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nelson

I like Shawn Nelson a lot too. Didn’t have quite the vertical that Cook did. Nelson had a 33, Cook had a 41. Not sure how much a vertical means…I think explosion maybe

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by buffaloboy90 on Feb 22, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Even if we offer Daniels a contract in the 6 year 30 mil range, which is just under the 6 year 36 mil Dallas Clark received last year. The Texan’s would probably match that offer and just keep him anyway.

I just don’t see this happening.

by Buffalonian on Feb 22, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Even if they didn’t match that, we’ll likely be giving up our #11 pick in addition to the big contract. For a good, solid player, that’s a bit much. Daniels is a possession receiver, not the seambuster we should be looking for. We already have Derek Fine who has similar attributes to Daniels.

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by Kurupt on Feb 22, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed on Fine and the similiar attributes...

by krytime on Feb 22, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure I agree

I love Fine as a blocker but he’s yet to put up any real receiving numbers.

by Ron From NM on Feb 22, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m looking at the potential for him, from my eyes at least.

Let me say, I didn’t like the Fine pick at first, at all. Then they kept him on the roster for 8(?) weeks before he was ready to play, which irked me.

For some reason, I’m thinking he might end up being a very good player – even a #1 TE. I’m anxious to see how he improves with a pro off-season under his belt.

by krytime on Feb 22, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He was a third round pick.

Should they have cut him when he got injured?

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

At the time, I thought they should have ir’d him. They kept open a roster spot for an unproven mid-round pick.

In hindsight, it worked, sort of. It gave Fine a chance to impress me over the 2nd half of the season.

I never said they should have cut him.

by krytime on Feb 22, 2009 9:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ok.

point taken

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And he was actually a fourth round pick. Chris Ellis was the third.

by krytime on Feb 22, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh yeah.

Everette was the third round TE. OK

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 22, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

#11 pick + big contract

is not worth it.

However, I think Daniels is better than Fine. Fine hasn’t shown that he can run routes to get open yet. Daniels is still an upgrade; just not worth what it takes to get him.

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by moncheri on Feb 22, 2009 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Definitely an upgrade

yea, i’m not sure fine can do all the “seam” stuff everybody talks about.

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by buffaloboy90 on Feb 22, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fine has played half of a season. Give him some time (at least one off-season) and then compare the two.

by krytime on Feb 22, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

The Texans are ready to take-off next year. With Schaub, andre johnson, steve slaton, kevin walter, owen daniels and co the texans are ready to have a great offensive season.

Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something.

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by buffaloboy90 on Feb 22, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs