Maximizing defensive playmaking a priority for Buffalo
If the Buffalo Bills fancy the idea of putting a winning product on the field in 2009 (thus preserving their own jobs in many cases), it's painfully obvious that more playmakers are needed in town. Most Bills fans, when they hear the word "playmaker", immediately associate the word with offense. There's no doubt that big names like Anquan Boldin, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and, to a lesser extent, Owen Daniels would have positive impacts for a Bills offense that needs a player of their caliber.
But playmakers aren't limited to one side of the ball. Buffalo lacks defensive playmakers as well, and defensive coordinator Perry Fewell knows it. In a recent interview, Fewell made it plain that he's lobbying hard for the Bills to diversify their pool of defensive talent. Playmakers are needed defensively, too.
Fewell's ideas should be considered
If there's one coach/team politician I'm listening to right now if I'm a member of Ralph Wilson's vaunted "inner circle", it's Fewell. In a league that's more trendy than innovative, teams with difference-making defenses are winning the big games in recent seasons. Just take a look at the last two Super Bowl champs (the Giants in '07, the Steelers of '08) for proof.
In a not-so-far-fetched sense, the Bills have the framework for a consistent, game-changing defense. They have some heady veterans at end, a solid defensive tackle rotation (which might get further depth fortifications), two solid athletes at linebacker, and some enviable depth in the secondary. But as of right now, the vast majority of Buffalo's defenders are more complement than feature. Adding just one or two unique talents to said framework would instantly give Buffalo a playoff-caliber defensive outfit.
Fewell's campaign platform? It's one of simplicity and telling it like it is. From the coordinator's mouth:
"We did not take advantage of that opportunity to get the ball. That’s definitely going to be an emphasis for us. I’ve said often times to my staff in the offseason that we need to add more playmakers to our defense."
Four Steps to Success
There are four simple ways to maximize Buffalo's ability to make plays defensively. Here's how I'd go about it.
Step 1: Find a way to re-sign Jabari Greer.
- My philosophy - and apparently the philosophy of the folks in the organization - is that you can never have enough solid cornerbacks. It's not a foregone conclusion that Greer has priced himself out of Buffalo; the fact that the Bills are aggressively pursuing Greer is indicative of that mindset. Greer may also quickly come to the realization that the money he's ready to seek (reportedly $7-8M per season) likely isn't coming. As one source put it to me, Greer's intangibles won't be valued any higher than they are by the Bills. I'd put the odds that Greer ends up back in Buffalo much higher than most at this point. He's a good player with good ball skills; that's necessary in our defensive scheme, and obviously a trait valued by Fewell.
Step 2: Move Paul Posluszny outside.
I've gone on record claiming myself completely comfortable with Posluszny as our middle linebacker, and nothing has changed. But the key word in this article is "maximizing". Posluszny is a smart player and the type of guy that can quarterback a defense; those are skills that fit the profile of a middle linebacker. But his playing skills are best suited (read: ideal for) the outside, where his aggressive demeanor and abilities in the box will be better exploitable and leave the Bills less vulnerable up the middle. Fewell hinted that such a move is possible, though claimed it's "not Plan A". If such a move were to occur, Posluszny would likely retain his defensive play-calling responsibilities.
Obviously, moving Posluszny would create a hole at inside linebacker. Every day, I get the sense that USC linebacker Rey Maualuga is going to be at or near the top of Buffalo's draft board in April. He's just their type of guy. Call it a gut feeling if you like, but I think the idea of a Posluszny-Maualuga-Kawika Mitchell linebacking corps is highly appealing to Buffalo's coaching staff. All three can make plays.
Step 3: Get an edge rusher.
File this one in the "duh" drawer. Fewell spoke most freely in his interview about adding a "unique" talent to the defensive end rotation. A quote for you:
"He might not have to be a full time starter, but if he can give us (help) in long yardage situations or passing down situations to increase our pass rush, that will work for us. And then we can work him into being an every down player because football right now is so situational. It’s a situational game that sometimes you can pick a situational player."
Trouble is, there isn't an awful lot to get excited about at defensive end via free agency. There are serviceable veteran-types available in Bertrand Berry and Kalimba Edwards (who played for head coach Dick Jauron for two seasons in Detroit), but how much impact can those types of players have? However, there's also a prevailing theory that not only will the draft's top defensive ends not be available when the Bills choose in the first round, they might be difficult to project into our scheme. It's the latter idea that is currently fueling the Maualuga speculation.
Don't be shocked if the Bills sign a veteran edge rusher, then look to supplement that player with a speed guy before the third or fourth round. Of course, don't be shocked if they ignore the veterans and draft a player in the first round, either. But if Fewell has his way, Buffalo will undoubtedly add some speed to their defensive end rotation.
Step 4: Find Whitner's complement.
This step isn't completely necessary, but again - "maximizing" is the key word here. The Bills have two serviceable safeties in Donte Whitner and Bryan Scott, but playmakers they are not. The team even has two serviceable reserve-types in George Wilson and Ko Simpson - but playmakers they are not. (Sensing a theme here?) Buffalo isn't likely to shake up Whitner's role much; he'll still be asked to cover a lot and move around positionally. The Bills would be wise to add a free safety with good ball skills that can play situationally (there's Fewell's favorite word again); Tennessee's Vincent Fuller is a good candidate, but only an example.
Clearly, nothing is set in stone aside from the fact that Buffalo can easily and efficiently add one or two difference-makers to their defense over the next couple of months. Doing so would instantly and dramatically increase the team's playoff chances next season - after all, a good defense can get you anywhere in this league (and allow you to, you know, actually compete in games, particularly on the road). There isn't just one good way to go about adding difference makers, but I believe that the plan above is the most likely route that the Bills will take as of today. Feel free to poke holes in the logic or offer your own counter-proposals to improving defensively, but just remember this: playmakers can be defenders, too.
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i thought Fewell's
interview was very telling. They recognize the following:
1) We need a new safety. SS or FS. Best player through FA or draft. Then move Whitner based on that
2) Poz can move outside
3) LB is a viable option in the draft now that Leroy Hill has been franchised
4) We need Greer, depth is critical as our DB’s always get injured and playing the Pats twice a year we have to have a stable of CB’s
5) A situation pass rusher is not out of the question at #11
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by MARVelous on Feb 23, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we re-sign Greer, where does that leave Leo this year? Does he get knocked to the nickel role? Does McGee take that role? Greer will obviously be a starter since he’ll be the highest paid DB on the team, so what gives? I’m interested in knowing what their new offer to Greer was after the original 5 for $20M was shot down. If it’s much more than 5 for $25M, I think that’s starting to go overboard.
Am I the only one who just has a hard time envisioning Poz on the outside? He looks slow and a step behind at MLB, now we’d want him in more space with more responsibilities that will require quickness? I just don’t see it. If we did move him and picked Maualuga, would we have the slowest LB trio in the league? To me, Maualuga is your perfect 3-4 MLB, big, strong, monster hitter, but lacking lateral quickness. I’ll have to check out his combine numbers when they go up today, but I’m not sure I like the idea of having such slow backers. At least they’d all be huge and tougher to run on than the Keith Ellison’s of the world. I would love that, that’s for sure. I just worry about them in space, such as sweeps, reverses and the passing game…
I think I’m starting to resign myself to the fact that DE will once again be neglected and we’ll once again have one of the worst pass rushes in the NFL. Ugh. I don’t like this whole “full time impact immediately” mantra that has seemed to creep into everyone’s mind. How many rookies are full-time players right away? Other than LB’s and OL’s, not many. Would we really pass over a potentially awesome pass rushing threat to take a TE that isn’t the seam buster we need most, when we already have a player of similar skills in Fine? Stuff like that is why our pass rush is so bad, because it gets neglected and stuck with average athletes. Sure, maybe some of these pass rushers are undersized and won’t be doing much of anything on 1st downs this season, but isn’t the pass rush threat what is needed?
Going after one in the 3rd or 4th round just seems like a waste since you have a player like that drafted last year.
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
- Leo would remain the nickel back and the primary kick returner, just as McGee was early in his career. McGee is a starter no matter what.
- You’ve got the SLB position all wrong. Poz is in LESS space, and can be MORE aggressive outside. He’d have to do less in terms of coverage because in most nickel situations, he’d probably be off the field. This isn’t a sure thing, but I’m confident that Buffalo’s coaches are comfortable with Poz wherever he plays.
- No one is saying DE will be ignored. If you read Fewell’s comments, he seems pretty adamant about getting a speed guy there. If by “neglected” you mean “not our first round draft pick”, then that’s a possibility, but I don’t equate the two terms at all.
- Nor is anyone saying that if the Bills pass on a DE at 11 (which, to me, is still pretty unlikely), the pick would be Pettigrew. I think their board will be Orakpo, Brown, Maualuga, Maybin, Pettigrew – in that order. Laurinaitis might end up somewhere in there as well.
- I think if the Bills target an end in the third or fourth, they won’t be looking at another Chris Ellis-type pick. He’s not a speed rusher. I think Fewell is all about adding speed rushers right now. I think they’d target someone like your boy Phillip Hunt there.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I’m thinking of the weakside duties, but how is he in less space than he currently is? Either way, I don’t think he handles being in space well, so if he would be asked to do less there, I can get behind it. Hypothetically, if Poz is moved and Maualuga is picked, who stays in on 3rd downs? I assume we go with 2 LB’s much of the time, other than in 6 DB sets, so who stays in with Mitchell? Do we bring Ellison or Digi in as the 2nd LB, and if so, isn’t Maualuga a situational player as well? Or do you see him as a 3 down LB?
I want Leo on the field as much as possible. Do you think we’re wasting his talents keeping him in a nickel role if Greer returns? I do.
Maybe not neglected, but the pass rush would be pushed to the back burner again. How many times can you keep sticking with the mediocre talent you have and only bringing in mid round prospects or lower tier FA’s and expect better results? If anything, the results keep getting worse.
Many people are saying Pettigrew at #11 Brian. You’ve seen this and we’ve all been debating it. I’m not saying if no pass rusher, then it’s Pettigrew. He’d be one of the 2 or 3 top choices though.
I think they’ll look at WA’s boy Lawrence Sidbury. Unfortunately, I don’t know if he’s capable of helping right away. Hunt would be a nice choice as well. Speaking of which, is he not at the combine? Lame.
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
- Maualuga is very much a three-down linebacker in my mind. His coverage skills are underrated. And as you mentioned, they very well could rotate Ellison in for those sub packages as well.
- I don’t think Leo’s talent is wasted as a nickel back because he’s only in his second year. He’s probably not ready to be a starter from a consistency standpoint. Remember how much Youboty played at the beginning of last season? McKelvin would play a LOT, particularly if we have the pass rushing chops to play in nickel situations routinely.
- For the record, I’d still like them to take one of the three speed-rushing ends (Orakpo, Brown, Maybin) with their top pick.
- Yeah, many people are saying Pettigrew at #11, but that doesn’t mean it’s likely to happen. From what I’m hearing, OBD doesn’t see him as that transcending athlete worthy of that high a selection. They certainly like him and will have him on their short list, but there will be names in front of his.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think their board will be Orakpo, Brown, Maualuga, Maybin, Pettigrew – in that order
I sure hope so because that means we are getting either Orakpo or Brown. I just don’t see teams valuing them high enough for both to go in the top 10. I would very happy with either one at #11.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 23, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t (just yesterday) you say you were “trying to soften the blow” for us when Pettigrew is taken at #11? You sounded pretty confident.
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by thurman on Feb 23, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t say “confident”, just “prepared”. I think he’ll be a target if they trade down, and he has an outside shot at being the #11 pick. I never said “he’s the guy”. It’s February. A lot is going to change.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
February
I should stop coming to this site for a few weeks. All this speculation is overwhelming :)
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by thurman on Feb 23, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just take it all in stride and keep the likely plan in mind – 2009 is make or break. They’re going to find the best football players they can, period. They’ll fill needs, but not at the expense of a good player. It’s a good philosophy, and they’d better hope it leads to the playoffs.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a good philosophy. If they remain at 11, it will be BPA. That is good.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
by keuka121 on Feb 23, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
AND
If we did re-sign Greer, next off season we would have alot of room to maneuver in terms of personell and if we wanted to trade one of CBs. Greer is obviously sought after, so next year we could make a nice trade for a team to “hopefully” fill some needs to take us to the next level.
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by killascript on Feb 23, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, we wouldn’t. If we signed Greer and got to 2010 on the status quo, both McGee and Youboty are free agents. So there’s actually very little flexibility next off-season even if we do re-sign Greer.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then
maybe its sign Greer and let McGee go, and then re-sign Youboty for peanuts, and have him be the Nickel, while McKelvin and Greer play for the next 2-3 years as the starters. That would be fine with me
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by killascript on Feb 23, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Extend Youboty now. You’ll never get him cheaper. Look at what the FA CBs are getting this year.
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even better
Anf by Buffalo’s track record in recent times, I wouldn’t doubt it. They should have locked in Greer a year ago, but hey, who knew he’d be our #1 playmaker (even if that’s until this year when I expect big things from McKelvin)
ALSO, I’d like to add that Buffalo has done a pretty good job of Undrafted Rookies considering Peters and Greer. I wonder if that is as special as it seems throughout the league
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by killascript on Feb 23, 2009 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Greer had done little by this time last year.
13 game starter. 2 INTS, 14 Passes defended that year though. They had to sign him to be the starter or draft someone too. They chose to draft and it was a good move. THey didn’t have to pay a borderline starter like Greer to a big fat contract.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So should they now?
in your opinion
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by killascript on Feb 23, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Should they what?
Sign him to big money? No. Should they sign him to avg money? Yeah.
He is not worth 8M a year. He has never started a full season. Never had more than 2 INTs in a season. The only reason I sign him for close to 5M a year is because he played a heck of a game against TO a couple years ago and plays well when in there. That sounds silly but it proves to me he can do it but he still hasn’t shown enough to be counted on for multiple years of 16 games.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And you know what
If he goes, we’re still deep at corner for another year. So I guess we can just wait and see.
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by killascript on Feb 23, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Greer had done little by this time last year
That doesn’t mean anything. Stats aren’t the end all/be all. They knew/we knew Greer was a decent player. We all watched him improve.
They could have had him for so little last year it’s ridiculous. I want my team to be pro-active, and I’ll say it again and again and again. And even if Greer would have turned into a bust, the amount of money they would have spent on guaranteed salary for him back then would amount to peanuts as compared to this year.
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This team has been proactive.
They signed Peters to a deal. Williams to a deal. They sign guys.
I know stats aren’t the be all/end all but he was an average player who had never played a full season (and still has not btw).
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree to an extent.
They have done some deals recently that would lead you to think they are proactive. Williams and Butler are examples.
Greer, Evans, Peters, and Jackson are guys they should have been more proactive with, and thus would’ve saved some money.
Winfield and Williams are guys they screwed up.
I’ll admit – this approach is not always perfect. Reference Parrish, Reed, and Kelsay
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would argue that they gave Peters and Evans contracts
Jackson is another one who had done very little before this year but there was potential. Even so he’s an Exclusive Rights Free Agent this year and can’t negotiate with anyone but us. I don’t know when they could have extended him or what the purpose would have been. This is when Jackson should get his deal.
I assume you mean Pat Williams. I agree to an extent.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those aren’t the kind of guys I’m talking about though. My version of being proactive is to extend guys who might fly under the radar. I’m a firm believer in building through the draft, and keeping the guys you develop. Evans was already an established “superstar” at the time he was extended. The Bills made a great move with Peters; turns out, he was better then ANYONE ever imagined.
My thinking is, and probably always will be, to draft as many quality people you can in rounds 2-4. These guys have relatively small contracts coming out of college, as compared to 1st round picks. If I guy picked here, or lower, shows some glimmer of hope, extend him before he makes ESPN highlights. Even if you miss once in awhile, you won’t get killed money wise. And the amount you stand to save is substantial if they do in fact turn in to players (ie – Greer, Jackson).
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
until they hold out....
I’m not disagreeing with you that you should sign guys when they show you something… But it has to make sense to make your team better.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Reed and Kelsay don’t count. They were FA’s or FA’s to be at the time.
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
if Buffalo is that quick to “replace” Fine, what does that tell you about the way they view the pick? Why was the pick made in the first place? If TE is their pick, I will be shocked more than I would be over any other pick (okay, not if they draft a smurf again at WR).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 23, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine was a 4th round pick.
If he develops into a solid option at backup TE it’s not wasted. Especially when we can do two TE packages.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that by drafting a TE at 11, the organization is bascially admitting Fine wasn’t who they hoped he was, and now are forced to again, address the position.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 23, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think they’d be admitting that at all. Did you think they drafted Fine to be a starter last year? Because that’s not the impression I came away with.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did come away with that impression, for his second season anyway. I know they love their “Royal(e) with Cheese,” but I saw Fine as the guy they thought best fit their needs.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 23, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fine is very competant and could still develop into a safety valve reciever and a good blocker.
4th round picks generally aren’t “the answer”right away type of guys.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect him to.
I have high hopes for Fine. People keep forgetting how much time he lost to injury. I think many assume he just couldn’t make his way to the playing field because of skill.
I think once he gets his first off-season under his belt, we are going to be looking at a very good all around TE.
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he's going to be a dynamic player like Gates...
but he has potential to be a solid contributor here.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 23, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Does that mean Fine gets the double kiss of om death if we both like him?
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He will more than likely get a leg ripped off in the preseason or something like that.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 23, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He will probably get a nasty computer virus too, from using the internet without an adequate browser platform. To top it off, his dog will probably runaway as well…
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is improving the defense really the main priority? Last year we pigged out on defense in both FA and the draft and ignored the offense and what were the results: a 7-9 season. Yes, defense is what wins Superbowls, but offense is what wins enough games to get you to the playoffs. Last year our pass defense ranked 13th in the NFL. If that’s true, why is it so crucial to improve the pass rush? The D was getting the job done even without a pass rush. I agree that it would be nice to have a better pass rush and to add another S, etc. But the reason the Bills were so hopeless in 2008 was that we had a young QB without enough good receiving targets and an interior o-line that couldn’t pass protect or run block reliably. We could add all the defensive stars you can think of, but if the offense can’t score points we will likely be 5-11 next season given the tough schedule we face.
by Macktruck on Feb 23, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I tire of hearing how statistically significant our defense was last year. The ONLY reason that we improved on that side of the ball is because we played one of the crappiest, easiest schedules in the league.
We added one difference-maker last year in Stroud. We added another very solid starter in Mitchell, and a potentially great corner in McKelvin. How is that “pigging out” on defense? Obviously they did more defensively than offensively last year (where Hardy was the only significant addition), but it’s not like we went gung-ho for difference-making defenders outside of Stroud.
It’s crucial to improve the pass rush not because of our pass defense ranking, but because it takes a pass rush to create turnovers. Simple as that.
We could add all the defensive stars you can think of, but if the offense can’t score points we will likely be 5-11 next season given the tough schedule we face.
It’s not that simple. We could add all the OFFENSIVE stars we can think of, but it won’t matter unless Edwards makes significant strides. I’d rather add a piece or two (C, TE) offensively and really fortify the defense than add offensive players, maintain defensive mediocrity and still be dependent on Edwards’ growth. It’s all on Edwards either way; why not strive for a dominant unit somewhere while we wait for him to “get it”?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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I’d rather add a piece or two (C, TE) offensively and really fortify the defense than add offensive players, maintain defensive mediocrity and still be dependent on Edwards’ growth. It’s all on Edwards either way; why not strive for a dominant unit somewhere while we wait for him to "get it"?
That’s a pretty logical argument. Unfortunately it all boils down to #5 which sucks. I’m fine with solidyfing the defense as long as we add that one offensive playmaker. I want that dominant defense, but unfortunately the moves we make this off-season while I think we’ll inch closer to a winning club, it all depends on Edwards anyhow. That’s why we need to provide an extra weapon for him, and I can see management saying we have got to get a vet (ie Owen Daniels, maybe Housh) or some vet playmaker to help this offense. Then the draft can be used for defense
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by MARVelous on Feb 23, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As I’ve said numerous times, the Bills are expected to make inquiries about some of the offensive playmakers this year. Daniels is already on their radar. They’re expected to inquire about Houshmandzadeh. But there just isn’t a ton of talent on that side of the ball this year (unless you want to talk about interior linemen as playmakers).
Edwards needs help, but he might not get much more than a center and a tight end.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wait for him to "get it"?
Too passive an approach. If you want a young QB to “get it” you have to surround him with better players who can carry him until he does. Most QBs are not Flaccos.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 23, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not passive if they address C, WR or TE, and fortify the defense. A D that can create turnovers helps Trent with short fields, after all. He’s going to have to “get it” either way. Why not give him two dominant units to help in the meantime? I’d rather them take that route than overspend for a big name and hope that the new guy turns Edwards into Brady. There’s less risk in the former plan, and it’s hardly passive.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with just adding a center and a tight end, is that really he would only be getting immediate help from the center. Rookie WR/TEs are going to help him all that much and there are no vet TEs who we are realisitically going to grab. The only major impact WRs are going to be big names. So if you want to help him this year you sort of have to spend a lot of money
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 23, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s only one vet TE I like that could help even situationally, and that’s Arizona’s Leonard Pope. He hasn’t gotten the right opportunity in Arizona (kind of hard to in that offense), but his size and athleticism make him a guy worth bringing in. Daniels I think is too unrealistic at this point.
I think getting a guy to challenge a safety at TE, whether rookie or vet, will help Trent and the receivers out more than any other position. A good center will help the running game, too. Obviously neither has the impact of a big name target, but to pass them off as no help is false.
Ultimately, I just don’t think it’s likely that the big name offensive guys end up in Buffalo. Not because we won’t have interest, but because those players cost more money. That’s why I think they’ll look to really strengthen the defense. We play some VERY good offenses next year (Indy, Houston, New Orleans, Carolina, etc etc etc). We need all the defense we can get, particularly in playmaker form.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leonard Pope?
Too Slow and Bad Hands = bad move
The only time he sees a safety is blocking
by freddyjj on Feb 23, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again – slow doesn’t stop a player from being a seam-stretcher. Size plays an important role there, and I’ll use Pete Metzelaars and Jay Riemersma as reference points. Again.
Where’s the notion that he has bad hands come from? He always looked OK catching to me…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But the stats really do matter. The only stat that Fewell cares about is “points scored against,” and in that category that Bills defense was above the NFL average. Yes, it would be nice if the D created more turnovers and shortened the field for the offense, but it also works the other way. When the offense fails to capitalize on those opportunities, or ends up with no more than a FG, it eventually demoralizes the defense. Beyond that, nothing helps the defense more than an offense that can stay on the field and rack up a big lead. That keeps the D rested and allowed them to tee off on the opposing offense. That’s when you get big plays. When your team is always behind the defense has to play cautiously and big plays become less frequent.
Last year, all the offense got was Hardy and Fine (with the second fourth round pick). Given how bad things were the previous year, that was disgraceful. Yes, you are absolutely right that so much of the burden is being put on Trent. But if that’s true, the team has an obligation to give him the supporting cast he needs, and that includes a top-notch TE (not a project that is taken in the third or fourth round), the best possible Center, a speed-burning veteran WR, and at least one good reserve interior o-lineman so that the line doesn’t fall apart as it did last year when Brad Butler went down. I can think of several position on defense that it would be desirable to address, and I hope that happens. However, my point remains that NOTHING should get in the way of improving the offense. That needs to be the overwhelming top priority.
by Macktruck on Feb 23, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The only stat that Fewell cares about is "points scored against," and in that category that Bills defense was above the NFL average.
Two things here – I think Fewell has made it pretty plain this year and in years past that he likes to create turnovers, which falsifies your first point. Also, Buffalo was “above average” in points allowed despite playing one of the worst schedules in the league. You’re telling me that because they held the Dolphins to just 16 points in a 16-3 loss that we have a good defense?
I can get behind your thoughts on C, TE and maybe even WR, but the idea that a reserve guard/center will help reduce the burden on Edwards is a bit silly to me. Again, C and TE must and will be addressed. I just think that’s where it ends. It’s not ignoring Edwards, it’s putting the best team around him.
However, my point remains that NOTHING should get in the way of improving the offense. That needs to be the overwhelming top priority.
I’ll disagree with that sentiment until my last day on this Earth. Defense is the key to playing well in the division, it’s the key to winning road games, and it’s the common denominator in championship football. We can help Edwards by giving him a dominant, turnover-happy defense, too. It’s not all about weapons.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they’re going to put the best team around Edwards, they best add someone at WR. Evans will never be able to get to the next level with the cast of characters under him. By not addressing the lack of a great WR corp, they’re essentially wasting Evans.
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I agree to an extent, but don’t think it’s mandatory they add a WR. They have some nice players there; the problem is that no one consistently steps up to complement Lee.
I think a good TE can help Lee just as much as a good WR. Judging by the way this off-season is shaping up, it’ll probably be one or the other.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can have your choice of one...
Daniels or Housh? Who ’ya want?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 23, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well obviously you target the better player, and that’s Housh. If he falls through, target Daniels. If that falls through, start building up that D, because you’re screwed offensively.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I think it’s going to be option 3.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 23, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus i’ll continue to go on record that I don’t want them giving up a 1st for anyone but Anquan Boldin. Well, wait – if the Vikings wanted to offer AP for a 1st, i’d allow it.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 23, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Easy - Houz
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by keysh67 on Feb 23, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m shocked that’s how you answered that question and would love to hear your rationale.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The D wasn’t significantly better last year. I made a post a month or so back comparing 2007 to 2008, and it wasn’t pretty. Simply put, we need a lot of defensive help still. But I agree the O is still a major work in progress, to be kind.
Please though, seeing “The D was getting the job done even without a pass rush” makes me cringes. The D was hardly getting the job done, and hasn’t for years now.
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, the D WAS getting the job done, and it did improve significantly. Proof of that is the fact that it allowed far fewer yards and points. The simple fact is that the defense played well enough last year to get the Bills into the playoffs. The reason we fell short of our objective was the repeated failure of the offense to score points, especially against stronger teams.
by Macktruck on Feb 23, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fewer yards and points against crap-tastic teams! Hooray, we shut down the Rams. Super Bowl here we come!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If it wasn’t for Greer, they probably lose to the Rams.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 23, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know – ugghh
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mack – the “D” definately was NOT getting the job done. We played the (correct me if i’m wrong) 3rd easiest schedule last year. Against horrible offensive teams – the only playoff offense that we played completely shredded us. When we played SD they were still finding their way.
Our D needs more help and in the end is probably a better investment than offense just because it is a commonality amongst most super bowl/playoff teams.
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
as they say “defense wins championships”
unless your QB has a last name of Manning (even Brady needed defensive help)
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So did Eli Manning. Peyton’s D even stepped up for their SB run.
by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 23, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
What do you consider getting the job done? Not allowing 56 points to the Pats? Then yeah, I guess they got the job done.
Significantly better? Ok, I looked at all those stats before in the post I linked:
2007: 354 points allowed – 22.1 ppg allowed
2008: 342 points allowed – 21.4 ppg allowed
Remember 2007 included a Tom Brady led Pats team that put up 94 against us in 2 games. Take those 2 games out and the team allowed 18.6 ppg. Since we didn’t face a Tom Brady led juggernaut this year, those 14 games may be most comparable to this past season. Oops, looks like we were worse in 2008.
Ok great, we allowed 3 less yards per game on the ground in 2008, as well. Good work front 7! And the secondary allowed 34 yards per game less. Yes, that is significant, but it was on 75 less attempts. QB rating allowed was higher this past season, and we had 8 fewer INT’s. We also had fewer sacks.
There’s some decent proof for you that the 2008 D wasn’t all that great, especially compared to an equally poor 2007. Please provide the proof of this significant improvement from the D, because I’d love to see it!!!!
And I think everyone on this blog can agree that the offense’s repeated failure to score points is an ongoing issue. Nobody is debating that, but it’s not like our Defense is allowing 13 ppg and we’re only scoring 10 a game. That unit needs to greatly improve too….
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well maybe they don’t watch the games as much as we do K – but i watched every game the last 2 years (well probably more like the last 5 years) and all i saw was mediocre mediocre mediocre – and actually – piss poor when we needed a stop at critical times
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
21.4ppg was good enough for rank #14th in what has become a high-scoring league. I certainly agree that the defense needs to get better, but when you have an offense that was as pathetic as the Bills the last five years you have to ask yourself which is more important. The old saying goes: “Defense wins championships, but offense wins games.” At this point we are going to be struggling to win any games at all next year against one of the toughest schedules in the NFL unless we fix the offense (which, as Dick Jauron has said many times, will automatically make the defense better).
by Macktruck on Feb 23, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m on board with this article. A few questions, if you will…
I like the idea of signing Greer, up to a reasonable number of course. If that happened, the depth in the CBs would be amazing. Would you be open to trading McGee for something? I really think he’d fetch a 3rd or a 4th, no matter is age. Of course, Youboty would have to be healthy, and the team would need to be confident in him.
Why have you given up or your “Jones for SS” campaign?
I think they really need a LB. And as much as I like Maualuga and think he’ll be available at #11, I don’t he’s the right fit in this defense.
I’m really starting to like Maybin a lot. Think it’s possible he could play a situational OLB (splitting time with Ellison, Bowen), and then some DE on obvious passing downs? That’s a lot to throw at a rook, but this kid seems to be a football player from what I’ve heard.
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
- Even if Greer is signed, McGee isn’t going anywhere. The whole point is that you can’t have enough good corners – a philosophy that Buffalo’s decision-makers believe in – and obviously, trading McGee is counter-productive to that philosophy.
- I haven’t given up on Sean Jones. What gave you that impression?
- Why is Maualuga a bad fit for our defense? He played in a zone-based 4-3 his entire career at USC! People see his weight and his 40 time and think “he’s not a fit here”, but it’s not true – he’s VERY familiar with our defense. If he shows well in the cone drills (which measure foot speed), it’s almost a lock in my mind that he’ll be Buffalo’s pick. If he has the foot speed, he’ll be able to cover in our scheme. He’s already got terrific instincts and the ability to make big plays.
- Maybin is growing on me too, but I personally hate the idea of drafting a DE to play OLB in a 4-3 scheme. I’d rather the Bills just use him as a pass rushing specialist while having him hit the weights if he’s our top pick.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit – I really didn’t know USC played a Cover 2. If that’s the case, then that does make Maualuga much more attractive to us. I’m a victim of believeing everything I read, and I read that he was suited more toward a 3-4. If he really is well schooled in the Cover 2, then he might actually be the horse I throw money on if the Bills don’t trade out of 11.
The only way I would trade McGee is if the Bills were confident that Youboty and Corner would be productive this year if thrown into action. For Youboty, it’s a case of staying healthy. For Corner, it’s a matter of progressing between his first and second year. Five quality CBs would be an embarrassment of riches though.
I thought I read somewhere hear that you were giving up on Jones, due to the percieved inability of the Bills to really sign a sizable FA. I could be totally wrong on that.
I know you said this – “I personally hate the idea of drafting a DE to play OLB in a 4-3 scheme.” But, isn’t Maybin the exact kind of playmaker this D could use?
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
- Maualuga IS well-suited to play in a 3-4. He’d be excellent in any defensive scheme, IMO. I just think he’s most ready to contribute to a Cover 2 out of the gate.
- Even if Youboty comes back with metal in place of every bone and Corner is the new Dre’ Bly, McGee isn’t going anywhere.
- I don’t consider Jones a “sizeable” free agent. He could be had for $5M per year. I’ll be off that bandwagon if Greer is re-signed (and I think I prefer Greer to Jones), because I don’t want that much money tied up in defensive backs.
- Like I said, I like Maybin. I think he’s the elite pass rusher in this draft, both now and long-term. I just don’t want to draft a DE to play OLB. That makes zero sense to me. Let him work on his craft at one position and hit the weight room for a lengthy career rather than overwhelming him with info and sucking the aggressive out of him. We don’t want him thinking too much on the field.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Think it’s fair to say that if Maybin stayed one more year, he might be the top pick next year?
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He would have been Top 5, yeah, I think that’s fair. I think he’s Top 10 worth this year, though. I’m really, really high on this kid.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading McGee is not counter-productive to that philosophy if hes going to walk the next season anyway. He’s older than Greer. Sign Greer to a longer term deal, and trade McGee because in 2010 Leo and Greer will be starting anyways when McGee walks
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 23, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This coaching staff doesn’t care about 2010. They want this five-deep corner stable for 2009, and 2009 is all that’s on their mind. So in terms of their strategy and focus, trading McGee is absolutely counter-productive.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its a good point
this coaching staff is really playing for their jobs. So it won’t matter to them 2010. But cant the inner circle make the move without the coaching staffs consent? I would hope they have lost influence after three consecutive 7-9ers
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 23, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lost influence or not, I don’t like there being a disconnect between the front office and the coaching staff. If they aren’t working hand in hand, all hell will break loose.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry kry, I don’t agree with the trade McGee sentiment. If we don’t sign Greer, how is that any different than trading McGee, depthwise? And even if we do resign Greer, I’m not sure the CB depth is that amazing! Last year, everyone was saying the same thing, and look how that turned out because of injuries and whatnot. Guys like McGee, Greer and Youboty just seem to be hurt a lot or susceptible to injury, so we need as many CB’s as possible. Plus, I’m not ready to count on Reggie Corner for anything. He looked pretty awful this past year. Even in that Denver game, where he “played well”, he was always a step late. I’m against trading McGee at all costs!!!!
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough point. Sometimes I get a little too excited on acquiring first day picks. I have flip-flopped on this idea before, and I might do it again.
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maulagua
is growing on me and I think his playmaking ability and instincts are exactly what Buffalo needs. We need good football players, who can make plays and have leadership and regardless if it isn’t a perfect fit, LB is a safe, safe pick, will play every down, and contributes right away.
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by MARVelous on Feb 23, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Peter King over at SI was calling him Ray Lewis Jr. Not that I respect Peter King’s opinion that much, but it’s piqued my interest.
by WhyBillsWhy on Feb 23, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love this plan! I’m excited to be a part of it! LET’S DO IT!
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 1:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Whoa whoa whoa...
You think we have heady veterans at ends, you support resigning Greer, would like to try moving Poz outside, and you now think Donte Whitner, not Bryan Scott is the safety we should look to complement?
Who are you and what have you done with Brian Galliford?! :)
by Dyl on Feb 23, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
- This article is about what I think the Bills will do, and I can get behind it.
- I’ve always thought Whitner is the safety we should complement. Just because I write articles trashing his playmaking ability doesn’t mean I think he should be riding the pine. Whitner’s a good player and can be part of an excellent defense.
- Moving Poz isn’t a top priority, it’s merely an option.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and yeah, this is still very much the Brian Galliford that all of you know, some of you love, some of you hate and some of you are incredibly indifferent towards. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
Maualuga just ran a 4.83 40 AND got hurt at the end of it….
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 1:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He was projected at 4.75 going in. When/how did he get hurt?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Running the 40, he pulled up lame afterward. He said he “popped” his hamstring, which sounds like it could be bad….
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t the same thing happen to Orakpo?
Do you think that Rey’s hammy hurt his time, or did it happen once he broke the tape?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Orakpo did the same thing. Clint Sintim too.
I don’t think it hurt his time. I’m home today watching it, and Rey looked to be running very smoothly. He pulled up lame once he started slowing down. I think it happened when he dialed down the intensity a bit too quickly. He also said it had been bothering him a few weeks ago. I will say I was surprised how smooth he looked running. He wasn’t as big as I thought, only 248 lbs I think.
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. 248 is still pretty big, and a solid 10 pounds more than Poz.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not saying it isn’t! I thought he was 260+ though.
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like he was trying to svelte up. He can always pack it back on, but 248 sounds pretty ideal.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Brown
I have a feeling (and I might be the only one) that he is wearing red, white, and blue next week. Didn’t Dick draft this guy? Isn’t he oft injured and past his prime? It just seems to me like he is exactly the kind of guy dick likes. He can play strong safety. Whitner can play free.
Craig.
by taskersd on Feb 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It’s possible, but I don’t think it’s likely. I don’t think they’re looking to bring in a defensive leader as much as they are an offensive leader (hence the Fred Taylor visit), and Brown’s skills are beyond diminished. I doubt they’ll be interested.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
taylor
could be Lynch’s mentor….but if they sign him for anything for than $3 million/yr they are crazy….as he is on his way out the door.
I hate seeing these guys pull hammy’s at the combine…..but the tape doesn’t lie…..just look at the tape as Mayock always says.
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by MARVelous on Feb 23, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
completely unrelated as usual, but didn’t NY just release TE Chris Baker? That could be a FA option couldn’t it? he’s pretty decent
by billsnterps on Feb 23, 2009 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yes they did.
He is an upgrade over Royal but I don’t think he’s the answer… unless the question is “Who did the Jets just release?”
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 2:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh no i agree, definitely not the answer. I do think a veteran like him would help though in addition to Shawn Nelson/ Jared Cook, while releasing Royal
by billsnterps on Feb 23, 2009 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is the best post in a while, that makes the most sense for the Bills organization. The theme is similar to one that was posted early; defensive rookies adapt better to the pro game better and faster than offensive rookies do. So draft mainly defense, and sign some more guys on offense in free agency. As far as specifics, Maualuga sounds like a perfect fit with value at 11. The possible free agents of Edwards, Taylor, and Daniels would make us a contender. Good post
by billsct11 on Feb 23, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Post
I like that we are trying our best to resign Greer. Hope we do.
I like that the staff is actually thinking flexibly. That Poz could play outside.
I still think our first choice at 11 is a DE. They like Orakpo’s size. Maybin is moving up.
I like moving Whitner to FS. Again a flexible philosophy. Unexpectedly good.
I am pleasantly surprised to hear that the coaches are finally thinking outside the box. In a do or die year, all options are open. Great analysis based on the limited info we have heard. As Michael Symon of Iron Chef would say – all is good in the hood.
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by keuka121 on Feb 23, 2009 3:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And so the first part of my horrifying draft might come true?
I did, after all, predict Maualuga in my draft…
by Ron From NM on Feb 23, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t think your draft was all that horrifying, Ron…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Barwin’s unexpected speed at least made it a little better. However, I really would rather see Buffalo do a deal with Crowell (or someone like him) and trade out of #11. Who knows? With Maualuga’s poor showing maybe Buffalo can drop back and get him in the 20s.
by Ron From NM on Feb 23, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was pretty horrifying to me, for the same reasons that it was horrifying to Ron. It seems especially horrifying now that Maualuga has had such a poor showing at the combine and we have learned from SI.com that scouts have been so concerned about the way he has managed himself recently that he is supposedly dropping to the bottom of the first round.
by Macktruck on Feb 23, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would anyone else prefer to sign a free agent safety than re-sign Greer?
We’ve got two starting corners (McGee, McKelvin), a nickle (Youboty) and a dime (Corner). Why not spend the cash on a safety instead?
by Ron From NM on Feb 23, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, you know I like a certain safety (Sean Jones). But in terms of what the Bills are thinking, clearly they value depth at cornerback – they did bring in four of them last year, and now they’re trying to re-sign Greer. Obviously, they value corner over safety.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am in your court Ron
In fact I would sign Greer and trade Mcgee while we can get something for him.
and sign Sean Jones
by freddyjj on Feb 23, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well with respect to signing CB’s – we will probably lose McGee next year and possibly get to sign Youboty (I think he’s a FA next year too).
they like the depth and no reason to put ourselves in a predicament next year if we can sign Greer this year.
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good call j2
I was going to write this until I saw you already had. We lose both McGee and Youboty next year. If we let Greer go now it could be trouble in 2010. As Brian pointed out though, this coaching staff doesnt really care when they might not be around then anyway.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 23, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems right now
the safest bet to improve our defense is to improve our DT’s. What if we picked up Tank Johnson and drafed Raji in the first round. A rotation of Stroud, Johnson and Raji could force teams to double team both our DT’s thus helping our DE’s and freeing the MLB to make plays.
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
or.....
sign haynesworth to whatever he wants.
if we can’t afford him in the future – we can cut him and save some cap space if the contracts put together in a way that would allow that.
stroud/haynesworth = about 30 yards rushing up the middle for the year
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Then what do we do with the 2 guys (K. Williams and S. Johnson) we gave 5 year contracts to last offseason, totaling $32M??
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had high hopes for johnson – now i know he’s nothing more than a backup that fills in when someone needs a blow
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say they tell them to get to work.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 23, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would you do with Kyle Williams in that scenario?
I don’t know, I’m not convinced by the logic of this, though I could get behind where I think you’re headed. I’m happy with Stroud/Williams/Johnson, and don’t think we need to do anything drastic to fill that fourth spot. McCargo’s not the answer.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade or cut Williams and put Johnson soley a DE over the strong side OT.
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hear “Johnson at DE” a lot, but I don’t like it at all. He’s not an end in any scheme. He gives us nothing more than a block-occupying presence on the edge.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that more than Chris Kelsay gives us?
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahahahahahahhahaahhahahahahahahahahahahaa – and he’s cheaper
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by J2 on Feb 23, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are correct Brian, then we are better off cutting him and signing Tank Johnson
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with that, too. Johnson’s fine as a rotational DT, and he’s cheaper than Tank. Seriously, what’s wrong with the trio of Stroud, Williams and Johnson? That’s as dependable a group as you can get.
If we find a fourth that has a complementary skill set to the first three (read: a run-stuffer), we’re doing great at this position. I don’t understand the need for an overhaul, and doubt it will be addressed unless it’s with an unheralded free agent or Raji is available at 11.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
only Stroud is a starting NFL DT. The rest are average back up at best. If the Bills are ever to run this defense successfully they are going to need better DT’s.
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Williams is a good player. He had a heck of a year last year. Johnson is an average backup, but what’s wrong with him being an average backup when he’s here to be a backup? I agree that outside of Stroud their DTs are hardly game-changers, but it’s a solid group, and it doesn’t take a Haynesworth to make it a good group.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry Brian,but I don’t want solid, I want superior.
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In this defensive scheme, you can get away with solid inside when you’ve got superior everywhere else. Right now, DT is second behind CB in the “least of our problems” category.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with you Brian. I believe we have a better than solid secondary. As a matter of fact if our secondary played behind a front seven that could pash rush within 15 seconds or make a tackle within five yards of the line of scremage they probably would be top 10, not to mention they would think they have died and gone to football heaven.
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I agree with that sentiment, but disagree with your methods of going about fixing our front seven.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Several times last year Williams was in the backfield making plays.
I do not think adding a DT helps the defense as much as you think. I hate to re-state but Williams is solid inside and we need playmakers at other positions so let’s focus on those other positions.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who would you prefer on your roster, Kyle Williams or Tank Johnson?
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly.... Williams.
Tank 2008: 12G, 1 sack, 1 FF, 13 tackles.
Williams 2008: 15 G, 2 sacks, 1 FF, 37 tackles.
It’s pretty clear that WIlliams is more active.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 7:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very telling stats there
Williams is a solid player,
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by killascript on Feb 23, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand people getting down on him.
He has always been solid here.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure. it seems the DEs are the ones not living up to their end of the bargain. And opposing QBs have all the time they need to make Whitner look foolish. Not that its all the pass rushers fault mind you
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by killascript on Feb 23, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do think Haynesworth is probably out of our reach and most likely will land in Tampa. However picking up Tank Johnson and drafting Raji ( if he’s there) would be to me a great start to improving our Defense.
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mind Tank Johnson, but don’t understand the thought process behind signing him. He’s too much like Spencer Johnson to me.
I’m obviously not averse to drafting Raji – I caught a lot of crap here back in December/January for even mentioning his name, and now he’s a hot commodity – but I just don’t think it’s likely.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you believe Tank Johnson is not better than Spencer Johnson or Kyle Williams than your thinking is correct in not wanting to sign Tank Johnson. I believe Tank is better than both those players.
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still don't get this fascination with a rotational 3rd DT.
When you’re starting guys like Ellison and Denney/Kelsay, taking playing time from Spencer Johnson/Kyle Williams seems like it should be your last concern.
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by JPH on Feb 23, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I could have Haynesworth, Stroud and Tank Johnson in my DT rotation I would cut Williams, Johnson,Kelsey and McCargo. And I would include Schoebel in the cut if neccessary and draft a DE #1.
by gjv on Feb 23, 2009 4:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ll just go ahead and disagree with this one too. One player isn’t worth $35 million guaranteed and releasing half of your D-Line rotation.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when he can't stay on the field...
When’s the last time Haynesworth played 16 games?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He never has.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on Haynesworth - Pass
This will be his 3rd contract, and big guys never play out the 3rd deal.
We would have him and Stroud, both north of 30 – and be lucky to get 16 games out of them – combined!
There are plenty of DTs in the draft who could help
by freddyjj on Feb 23, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Marcus played all 16 games this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 23, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stroud is a great athlete
He is not just some fat guy, and that has to be looked at. DTs are a bit different, and I think Haynesworth is closer to Stroud than he is say, Sam Adams or a Ted Washington of old. I think those DTs are going to the wayside in the present NFL, and thusly, thse guys will play until they are 34-35 and be effective, unlike Sam Adams and Ted Washington, who still played that long, but were much less effective
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by killascript on Feb 23, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*Sputter*
" …but I think the idea of a Posluszny-Maualuga-Kawika Mitchell linebacking corps is highly appealing to Buffalo’s coaching staff. All three can make plays."
Brian, what indication has Pozluszny given you that he can “make plays?” 19 career games, 1 int, zero (ZERO) sacks, and one forced fumble?
And remember that INT was hardly him making a great move on the ball.
As usual, i tihnk we’re giving #51 wayyyy too much credit.
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by JPH on Feb 23, 2009 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So now you’ve got two screen names to hate on Posluszny with, eh?
19 career games ain’t a heck of a lot of playing time. He’s been solid. I think you’re expecting a lot out of the kid – he’s playing a new position in a new defense, for the love of pete. Let him grow, and talk to me in a year if you still think he sucks.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1. two screennames?
2. I’d love to be wrong about him, but when you include him in a list of people who can “make plays” when he has made two as a pro, that seems presumptuous. At least to me it does.
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by JPH on Feb 23, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well there’s a jpheff spouting anti-Poz folly, and he’s got the same name as you. Just kind of figured you had two screen names. Pretty ironic if there’s actually two guys with the same name and the same opinion on Poz.
You should have included the word “can” in the phrase “can make plays”, because he has the ability. He just hasn’t yet. Donte Whitner “can” make plays too, but he hasn’t yet, either. I like both players.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alright...i hope you're right about both.
and for the record, jpheff3 is my father, as hard to believe as that may seem.. we watch bills games together, and rip poz apart. it’s in our blood.
“Folly” though, is a strong word for spouting off against a guy who, as you say, hasn’t made any plays yet, in over a year’s worth of games…
best,
jph.
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by JPH on Feb 23, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured there might be a father/son relationship in there somewhere. Very cool.
I suppose “folly” was harsh, but I just don’t understand picking on a guy who just completed his first full season in the league. Patience is required sometimes, and I think there are other players you can rip apart before Poz.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record on Poz..
He hasn’t been an all star by any means, but he has shown to be a decent player with upside. Hard to believe, but after this season, he’ll be in a contract year already (only signed a 4 year deal after being drafted).
Time to extend Poz?
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL you are all about the faith extensions, man. Like Youboty, I’ll wait on Poz. He’s got two years left on his deal.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 23, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BG - try and tell me it doesn't make sense though.
Look at the FA contracts that are expected to be given out in five days. They are going to be ridiculous.
Start with our own Greer for example. There are arguably six to seven CBs better then he who will get more money, if they already haven’t (Oak/Indy as examples). Greer will probably still get upwards of 6 – 7 a year. As the 7th/8th best CB!! It’s insane.
You like Poz, and I think you think he’s a piece to the puzzle for the next five years or so. Why not give him some bling now, as opposed to in two years when he’ll be getting crazy money?
It’s such a simple concept. I don’t understand why more people don’t agree with it. It’s simple math…
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather talk about extending him with a year left on his deal. That’s the way it should be done.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 8:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: "That’s the way it should be done."
Says who? Is there a rule I don’t know about or something? I’m not talking about crazy, break the bank extensions either.
I just get the reticence to at least keep an open mind about this kind of stuff. Why is being proactive such a bad idea? It saves you so much money over the long haul.
by krytime on Feb 24, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Being proactive is also INCREDIBLY risky. We don’t even know where Poz fits best, but you want to pay him more money? Let’s figure out where he should play and if he can excel there before securing him long-term.
It’s even riskier in the case of a guy like Youboty, who has NEVER played a full season in the NFL. You don’t give any type of extension to a guy who lands on IR as much as him.
There are cases when it’s a good idea to give out early extensions, and Kyle Williams is a good example – cheap, durable and consistent. I thought Butler was risky considering his injury issues, and that opinion hasn’t changed. Looking ahead and signing guys is smart, but only in certain situations. I don’t think Poz and Youboty fit that scenario.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Risk/reward.
You are correct an an extent. It is risky, but I think if you are smart about it, the rewards outweigh the risk.
Using Poz as an example again. We pretty much know what we have in him as a defender. Solid, stand up guy. It might even be relatively safe to assume he’s not the sort of bloke who will caught with guns and blunts in the off-season.
OBD, at least according to me, identifies him as part of their young core on defense, and is building around him. Pretty much, they are not saying, “Man, we gotta get someone else on the field instead of that Paul guy.”
If it’s fair enough to say we’d like to have Poz around for longer than the 2 years left on his current deal, then why not do it now? He’ll be happy because he got the guaranteed money sooner, and the Bills will be happy because they have a young vet locked up for longer at a very good rate. The only thing that is risky, is if he suffered a career ending injury, or if he turned into a turd.
Fair enough on Youboty. I would watch his every step this off-season, and if it does seem like he really gets it now, then I would start talking to him.
There is incredible risk in signing any player. I just happen to think it’s better for your organization to develop and keep the guys you bring in.
by krytime on Feb 24, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm.
i don’t like a bunch of guys on the defense, but my other opinions are pretty much universal. i dont see a lot of Chris kelsay apologists on these threads.
Poz gets to me because i believe that if you watch him, he looks hapless out there, and he doesn’t seem to get taken to task for it.
I’m going to go through the games this summer and go play by play on him, and then i’ll be vindicated!! (maniacal laughter)
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by JPH on Feb 23, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well if you do that, I hope you post a long-winded post about how bad he was….
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what else is the internet for?
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by JPH on Feb 23, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s the same thing with Whitner for me. During his first year or two, he NEVER showed any aptitude for making plays and now people are complaining about it. Poz is the same way, and that’s why I get concerned he’ll never be anything more than he is. If he had gotten the occasional sack (he does seem to blitz a lot), or forced the occasional fumble (1 so far), or gotten the occasional INT (1 off a deflection so far), I’d be more confident in him going forward. I just think he’s a tackler, and not a whole lot else. As a MLB, that’s ok, I suppose.
He does have 6 passes defended, just 1 less than Super Whitner for his career!
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by Kurupt on Feb 23, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe kurupt is just better at laying out his argument than i am. It’s basically how i feel, except I’m not that confident in Poz as a tackler either…remember that DiGiorgio had more tackles (by yahoo sport’s count) in 2007 in the same scheme as Poz did in 08. And DiGiorgio didn’t start until week 3 or 4 i believe. And he didn’t have stroud in front of him, he had the great larry tripplett, and a less experienced Kyle Williams. And he had 2 sacks and a pick.
why don’t we think digiorgio is the MLB of the future?
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by JPH on Feb 23, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Re: "why don’t we think digiorgio is the MLB of the future?"
Actually, if nothing happens in FA, and the draft doesn’t provide an immediate upgrade in the LB corps, I’d be willing to consider Digi in the middle with Poz outside. Anything that can be done to get your best players on the field should be done. In this case, it’d be seeing which option is better – Ellison or Digi.
by krytime on Feb 23, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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