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If I were Wilson's GM, my offseason approach: Take 2

Anyway, lets make this a bit easier on everyone. This is how I would attack the holes on our roster, and what I would do based on specific assumptions at certain points of the offseason. I will make sure to point out what things would need to happen to make me take certain actions to fill the holes *I* see on the roster. Another thing, this is a middle of the road take on actions, not a "Brown will be a FA and yada yada" type of rosey eyed look at things, nor a Ron from NM type of uber pessimistic take either. I hope I fall right in the middle of that for this articles sake.

**UPDATE** After the cuts made by several teams today, I have made some changes to my FA work and having discussed several different aspects of the draft with those people here I will do what a good GM would do. I am changing how I would attack this offseason in several ways. Anything in bold and italics within each area of work will be new information I have added since originally posting this article. I have also changed the name of this FanPost to better bring forth the style of writing I was aiming for the first time around.

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Pre-FA

Players to Release

  • Chris Kelsay
  • Roscoe Parrish
  • Robert Royal

Reasoning for Cuts above: Anyone who is an RFA, UFA or ERFA I let walk that we discussed earlier in the expendables group from that article. As for the above, well Kelsay and Royal need no further discussion on my part. Ko, I considered tossing but after talking with K and Kry about it, they make a good point that I should at least let him see if he can be a decent backup going into TC before taking action on him, he is not much of a money savings anyhow. Roscoe, I think while a useful return man, brings nothing to the table for me personally, as a WR. We can try some more things with him, but he nets us another 1mil to the salary cap after tossing him. I think Freddy and McKelvin can replace him, and some of my moves later will make it a doable situation anyhow (I hope). Greer walks due to his feeling he can get at least between 6-8 mil a year with the CB inflation occurring right now.

Players to Resign/Extend

  • Fred Jackson
  • Jason Peters
  • John DiGiorgio
  • Kirk Chambers
  • Gibran Hamdan
  • Duke Preston
  • Keith Ellison
  • George Wilson

Reasoning for resigns/extends above: Freddy needs no talking about, nor Jason Peters, though I think personally, that he is a very good, but not great/elite LT in say the Jones/Pace sense while in their primes. Peters is also going to cost me a small bundle, not as huge as he would hope for, but more than enough to temper my FA spending. DiGi already is back, and I like him as a swing backer. Hamdan to keep Trent happy and as insurance. Chambers because he is cheap and can play either tackle spot and some guard in a pinch. Preston for his ability to be a decent backup at G and C, so he comes back. Wilson is needed since he is one of our ST demons and I don't want April mad at me, plus he gives me Ko insurance.I bring back Ellison because he is a decent OLB backup. While I think Crowell would be a good resign for a one year prove it deal, word coming from OBD seems to be they will let him test FA and will work to fill the SLB hole there and so I go with the assumption Ralph would order me to let him walk.

*Free Agency*

What I am looking for now that FA is here is to fill certain holes with good to very good players who won't break the bank. Right now I have the following holes to fill:

  1. Pass Rushing DE
  2. Receiving TE
  3. Starting SLB/OLB
  4. Starting C
  5. Vet QB
  6. Vet WR
  7. FB
  8. 3rd RB
  9. 5th CB
  10. Depth players for S, DT, LB, G/C

Assumptions I will make before attacking FA- I do not need Royal since I have Fine who is as good a blocker, but there are NO TEs right now in FA worth even looking at (I will assume Daniels gets the highest tender for RFA before FA starts). I will assume that Hardy will get PUP'ed and will not play until very late this year, and with Roscoe now toast I need some help there. Birk will re-up in Minny and Brown will resign with Baltimore since Ray Lewis will be leaving (looking for one last big pay-day, so the Ravens have the spare cash to keep Brown). With those assumptions in mind, and midful of Crowder now being back with the 'Phins, I attack FA.

My Approach

  1. Pass DE- With Kelsay gone and Bryan in his place as my less worthless DE, I ignore the somewhat less than stellar DE group and move on.
  2. Receiving TE- As above, I pass as there is no one worth taking this year in FA
  3. Starting SLB/OLB- As noted above, I would originally have resigned Crowell to a 1 year deal, but with signs pointing to NO at OBD about him immediately coming back, I will now look into what I would do to fix it. I would target three people now that Crowder has resigned with Miami. Looking at the market I target these three people and Crowell as my plan of attack: Michael Boley, Morlon Greenwood, Eric Barton and Angelo Crowell. I will assume with this dismissal by the team, Crowell goes elsewhere. We Get- Michael Boley
  4. Starting C- I would target three men with Birk and Brown gone: Meester, Grove, and Saturday, in that order. I think we can walk away with one, hopefully Grove as he would be the one to last the longest here (Meester and Saturday I would go with 3 year deals MAX to get them here). Grove I would be willing to go for a 4-5 year deal. We Get- Meester
  5. Vet QB- Much has been discussed about this, and I think we should look at 4 guys seriously: Charlie Batch, Kyle Boller, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and Sexy Rexy Grossman. And that is the order I would pursue them in as well. I would hope to get Batch the 11 year vet who would know the team is Trent's and that he is here to be a mentor and sounding board for Trent during the game and practices. We Get- Kyle Boller
  6. Vet WR- With Hardy down for most of the year, and Roscoe now looking for work I need to look at these guys hard: Lavernaues Coles, TJ Houshmanzadeh, Amani Toomer, Reggie Williams, Bryant "Panda" Johnson, Michael Jenkins, and Michael Clayton. All are on the tall side (except Coles and TJ) and while I would love to get TJ or Coles, I need to be sane in expectations since they will be some of the hardest pursued FAs next to Ray Ray Lewis. But since Wilson has told me we have GOT to win now, I bet the farm on TJ and Coles We Get- Lavernaues Coles
  7. FB- I immediately call up Leonard Weaver's agent and see how much the guy wants. He can plow people, he is actually quite agile, and he can be a 3rd down RB in a pinch as well. He has pretty good hands and he helped make Maurice Morris and Julius Jones go over 1000 yards as a pair (1272 to be exact). Also, he ran the rock 30  times for 130 yards (4.3 Y/A) and caught 20 passes for 222 yards and 2 TDs (1 more TD than Roscoe had and only 10 yards fewer at 4 catches less even!). If he will not come, go after Heath Evans and Lorenzo Neal as my backup plan. We Get- Leonard Weaver
  8. 3rd RB- JJ Arrington and Warrick Dunn are the only guys in FA I would pursue since both can run to the outside of the tackles, and both have some real wheels. I like that as I think we need to complement Lynch and Freddy that way. I will assume JJ decides to go elsewhere just to be a bit pessimistic at this point. But Warrick would be a real get for this team as his experiences and his veteran locker room and off the field skills would hopefully rub off on my wild 3rd year back as he becomes Lynch's mentor. In the end though I miss on both as JJ wants to try and be more than a 3rd down back and Warrick gets grabbed by a contender to be their vet/mentor (punks).
  9. 5th CB- While there is an abundance of people in FA this year at CB, I see the ever spiralling upwards price tag on FA CBs and wait till the 1st week is over to grab a vet, targeting the following: Eric Green (good in zone, less so than man), Daven Holly (good speed and hands, injury prone though), Benny Sapp, and DeMarcus Faggins (very good STer, makes up for some ST losses). We Get- Daven Holly
  10. Depth Players- This is what the draft is for.

What we got from FA

After FA, we are now heading into the draft with a much shorter list of needs. I have now gotten myself a Starting C, a Vet WR, a starting OLB, a Vet QB, a FB, and our 5th CB. So we now have Jake Grove, Kyle Boller, Reggie Williams, Leonard Weaver, and Daven Holly on the roster. We are now just looking for a Pass Rush DE, a Pass Catching TE, a 3rd RB, and depth players.

2009 NFL Draft

Here is how I think the top 10-20 picks will go for this year.

  1. Detroit Lions- Eugene Monroe OT (not sexy but needed)
  2. St. Louis Rams- Jason Smith OT (Bulger needs protection)
  3. Kansas City Chiefs- Aaron Curry OLB (gave real thought to Orakpo here as well)
  4. Seattle Seahawks- Michael Crabtree WR (need WR help badly and with Smith and Monroe gone they will go for explosivness)
  5. Cleveland Browns- Brian Orakpo DE (Need a DE, and Orakpo is the biggest pass rusher here with top 10 talent in this draft)
  6. Cincinatti Bengals- Everette Brown DE (Cincy needs a pass rush more than another OT in Lewis's mind and my guy goes here)
  7. Oakland Raiders- Jeremy Maclin WR (Oher a possibility but Al's WR lust continues and he overrules Cable)
  8. Jacksonville Jaguars- Michael Oher OT (Smith keeps tumbling as Jacksonville parties to get Oher at #8)
  9. Green Bay Packers- Aaron Maybin DE (While B.J. Raji is tempting to them, they need another OLB and with Curry gone they decide to put "Project Mayhem" in at OLB)
  10. San Francisco 49ers- B.J. Raji DT (49ers party as he tumbles to them as they now have some real beef in their 3-4 D at NT. Stafford considered for a while, but Singletary opts to run with Shaun Hill 1 season and wait till the real QBs come out next season)
  11. Philidephia Eagles- Andre Smith OT (With Maybin, Orakpo and Brown all gone the Bills are stuck in a quandy, who to take? Pettigrew, Johnson, Maulauga? All of whom feel like reaches, and at this point, all are people I don't want at #11, so I hit the phones. With Washington, Chicago and Philly all looking for OLine help I start talking. I cut a deal with Philly leaning on them for their 21 and 28 picks, but taking their 21st, 53rd (2nd rd.) and 117th (4th rd.) picks as then I do not need to give up any of my picks beyond the 11th.)

    Now that I am away from the 11th pick I wait to see who is free at #21 who is the BPA at my positions of need. Since Smith is now off the board, there are only lesser OTs left. So when #21 comes around, I look at the remaining players I can take.

  12. Denver Broncos- Michael Johnson DE (need help all over the dline, they think hard of Peria Jerry)
  13. Washington Redskins- Brian Cushing OLB (With Marcus Washington now gone, they need someone to come in and play, issue is they need Oline and LB help they go LB here)
  14. New Orleans Saints- Malcolm Jenkins CB (need SOMEONE who can play DB there)
  15. Houston Texans- Louis Delmas S (with all round 1 DEs gone, they opt to give their CBs some help in the deep field).
  16. San Diego Chargers- Rey Maualuga ILB (They keep a USC guy in state and they get some needed help this season)
  17. NY Jets- Matthew Stafford QB (Amazingly the 1st QB is off the boards finally and the Jets get him, they then insist that they had planned this all along since 2008)
  18. Chicago Bears- Darrius Heyward-Bey WR (With no OTs left of any use and the drop off in CBs to steep, they opt to give their O some help with the fastest man in the Combine)
  19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers- Knowshon Moreno RB (They need help all over the O and in some places on the D, but they can't keep their RBs healthy, so they opt for Moreno)
  20. Detroint Lions- Mark Sanchez QB (With the best luck in years, the Lions luck into their franchise OT and possible franchise QB in getting Dirty Sanchez this late in the draft!)
  21. Buffalo Bills- Alex Mack C I take the Center of our future here with this pick. He has also shown ability to play G as well and could take the place of Preston as my swing man, meaning if Preston can't show me anything come TC, he gets cut. With the sheer depth of TE in the 2nd round I decide I can bag my DE and TE there. Original Pick- Brandon Pettigrew TE (And the party commences for Bills fans as they get a real TE for once due to their targeted DEs and OLBs for the 1st Round now all gone)

In Round 2 with the picks I now have the 42rd AND 53rd picks in that round to work with. Looking at the holes I need to fill I target the following:

  • 42nd- Paul Kruger or Connor Barwin DEs, either of these picks would give me very solid pass rushers who could contribute from day one as situational rushers. Both players are tall, and if your like me and you like athletes at this position, Connor's combine scores make you drool. Original pick(s)- Tyson Jackson or Robert Ayers DE
  • 53rd- Shawn Nelson TE, Here I get a fast (4.56 40) seam stretching TE who showed really good hands and body control in the combine pass catching areas. With a decent vertical and leaping ability, he should be the safety blanket along with Reed that can let Trent shine. Original Pick- Eric Wood C (We got Meester but we now have our eventual starter in year 2 or 3 after the draft)

In Rounds 3-6 I would look for the following depth guys- Cody Brown OLB, Lawrence Sidbury DE, Kory Sheets RB (4.47 at the combine), Johnny Knox WR (4.34 @ combine), T.J. Lang G, Sammie Lee Hill Jr. DT, Vance Walker DT,  Jason Williams OLB, Victor Harris CB, Curtis Taylor S, Otis Wiley S.

In the end we COULD end up with Lawrence Sidbury DE (75th pick), Cody Brown OLB (107th pick), Kory Sheets RB (117th pick), Otis Wiley S (139), TJ Lang G (171)

And thats how I would approach FA and the draft if I were the Bills GM working for Wilson. I get a pass catching TE in the draft since I have Fine to block, I get what many consider one of the best C prospects to come out in years, and I get 3, count them 3 pass rushers in Kruger/Barwin, Sidbury and Brown. If Fewell can't make magic happen with that, then we need more help than I thought. As it stands I fill the largest holes, get some young talent on the team, and I have insurance at some important positions as well. As for the Rounds 3-6 picks, these are all approximate guesses as to our pick numbers since comp picks have yet to be determined by the NFL yet, but this is where I think we could possibly get these guys.

Poll
How would you react if this draft/off season FA spending occurred?
I would be happy with it
18 votes
I would be OK with it, but would try to change some things
31 votes
I would hunt you down and stomp you like a cockroach if this happened
7 votes
I don't know, I just like answering polls, what was the question again?
2 votes
What were you drinking/smoking when you made this?
13 votes
Other (please explain below)
2 votes

73 votes | Poll has closed

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I do like the effort....

you put in your work here, but if our big new offensive weapon would be Reggie Williams I would have no hope, and if the draft happened the way you have it I would turn the TV off and start getting pimpils on my forehead from stress, I really just dont see Pettigrew as an instant impact player

by The Wagon on Feb 24, 2009 7:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

He also adds Pettigrew.

and two good centers. They are very good players.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2009 9:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Crowell is coming back.

I think they target Crowder or someone else in F/A at OLB. Overall I think we would be pretty happy with this offseason.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good work, lots of effort here.

My two biggest complaints: 1) retaining Preston. I understand that he looked better than Fowler at the end of last year, but I cannot stress this enough BETTER THAN FOWLER DOESN’T EQUAL GOOD. 2) Tyson Jackson isn’t a fit for this defense as a DE. he is a 3-4 end or a guy he needs to add 15-25 pounds and become a DT in a 4-3.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 24, 2009 9:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I need an experienced corpse in Preston to act as my swing interior lineman

With Whittle likely headed to retirment, and having Chambers and Bell as my two outside guys, I need that extra man in the middle. IF we got Wood and he showed more than Preston during TC, then I would probably release Preston, but I need to hedge my bets till then.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am of the same opinion.

I would keep Preston around as interior line depth at least until I found a suitable replacement.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You....

should be applauded for your effort.

I’m sure some will disagree/agree – since we dont’ know how it will shake out it is a good post IMO.

Also – your ideas are solid – not spectacular – but solid.

Personally – i’d rather we get our starting center via the draft – but I like the cuts (50/50 on parrish) and especially kelsay

move down in the draft and get some picks could be a likely scenario – at 21 pettigrew would be much better than at 11

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by J2 on Feb 24, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Solid is what I am looking for J2

Yes, I understand DJ may be under a “win now” pressure, but with our upcoming slate of games, I don’t see us doing any better than his 7-9 from last year unless some things bounce our way, so why not build the foundation for a great team now?

With Eric Wood (consensus #3/#2 C in the draft) getting a a season or two behind an older vet I find to be real good value. He has the abilities to start now, but why not ease him in? Besides Meester won’t be as expensive as say Grove or Satruday.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see us doing any better than his 7-9

based off of our schedule next year i’d be surprised if we hit 7-9. unless DJ and co. finally get their heads out of their butts

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by J2 on Feb 24, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you are bringing in Messter...

I am much more confident in the center play with Wood there. Then the best guy goes. If it’s Meester and Preston… ugh.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like it. Send it to the "inner circle" so they have time to study before Friday

Do you assume Mack is gone when we pick Wood?

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by Joe P. on Feb 24, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is outstanding work. I love it when FanPosts are this logically organized and easy to follow.

What are you willing to give Seattle for compensation for Weaver? He’s an RFA, if I’m not mistaken.

Hard to disagree with most of this, but I think Buffalo’s strategy will be slightly different.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Weaver is a UFA

Thats why they got Owen Schmitt last season. Weaver is reported as such at PFT and ESPN.

They very well might be, but I personally like the idea of chopping out dead wood like Kelsay and getting 2 new DEs who may make Bryan expendable as well.

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lesson learned: Never completely rely on Rotoworld. They had him listed as RFA as recently as two weeks ago.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rotoworld is better than most places at having the correct info contract wise

But I understand why they think so, but he just completed his 4th year as a pro, and was not on the PS that 1st year, so he is an UFA. Also he was signed as a UDFA in 2005 according to the Seahawks own website: Signed with Seattle as an undrafted free agent April 24, 2005

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Curious...

I’m sure the answer is yes but, would that be fair compensation for the Bills trading #11 for #21, #53, and #117? I don’t recall the pick values.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 24, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

According to the charts available around the web...

Our #11 pick is worth 1250
Philly’s three picks together are worth 1230 total (800+370+60=1230)
Example here

So we would be giving “up” 20 points of value, but it would be worth it in my mind if none of our guys are there at #11 to fall back and get 3 more picks. Philly would be inclined since they still keep their 28th pick, and they keep their 3rd, so in essence they only lost a 2nd and a 4th to us. VERY doable in my mind for most GMs in this league.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The only negative I see is needing to make a roster spot for these additional picks and paying them.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 24, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Paying those "extra guys" would cost less than addressing the needs via free agency.

The roster spots… you don’t think there are guys on the roster that could be cut to make room?

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It won’t come in the form of a DB.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 24, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For an FYi

Last year’s #11 Leo McKelvin got 5 years $19.4M ($12.6M guaranteed)

Last year’s #21 Sam Baker got 5 years $13M ($8M guaranteed)
Last year’s #53 Limas Sweed got 4 years $3.265M ($1.56M signing bonus)
Last year’s #117 Quintin Demps got 4 years $2.16M ($455K signing bonus)

It’s actually cheaper having the 3 picks than the 1 pick. These rookies roster spots would push guys like Ko Simpson and Copeland Bryan off the roster, which isn’t exactly a bad thing.

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is a perfect example of why I always say stay out of the top half in the first round, and get extra picks in the 2nd to 4th.

By the way WA – nice work here. A lot of work…

by krytime on Feb 24, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What happens if Pettigrew gets selected before #21? Do you take Mack even though a starting C was signed in FA?

That was well thought out and organized. Nicely done.

I like the idea of Weaver and Williams in FA. They shouldn’t be all that expensive and would help our O.

I’d have to believe Holly will be trying to get more than a 5th CB job even though he didn’t play in ’08 because he tore some knee ligaments. When he was healthy, I think him and Greer are very comparable players.

I really don’t think that both QB’s will fall to 17th and 20th. That seems nearly impossible. Even if Detroit and KC pass, teams will probably start looking to move up.

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I made the assumption and will add it in, that Lovie and Angelo decide to wait till next year

And that Sage goes to the VIkings, taking them out of the competition. All I’ve heard from the Redskins side is that the staff likes Campbell and will fight to avoid taking a 1st round replacement, Freeman or someone like that might go to them later on. Cassel is the one variable I can’t be sure about, but I think he won’t go anywhere until POST draft.

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah, about Pettigrew

Look at the teams ahead of us:
Denver- Schefler
Washington- Cooley
New Orleans- Shockey (cough cough, but bigger fish to fry)
Texans- Daniels
San Diego- Gates
NY Jets- Keller
Bears- Olsen

Bucs and Lions are the only darkhorses for him in my opinion if the draft were to go this way. The reason Stafford and Sanchez tumble is due to one man- Andre Smith, his AWOL performance and lack of good interviews (universally it seems to the media) really hurt him badly, and will have him moving out of the top 10 FAST right now. So with him out of the picture till Philly takes a gamble at #11, the other teams scramble to fill the holes. I also think a lot of teams look at the QBs like I do, both will probably be solid, but not Franchise guys.

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, someone could trade ahead of us for Pettigrew then, so who would you pick if that happened?

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In that scenario I go with Mack at #21

And I then use the 53rd pick on either Coffman, Nelson, or Cook.

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wouldn’t Mack and Nelson be a much better scenario? Top C and maybe the #2 TE, who I think has a higher ceiling than Pettigrew…I’d MUCH rather go that route if the rest was to come to fruition, even w/a Center signed before.

With the other 2nd and the early 3rd, I’m picking pass rushers in this case. Sidbury would work for me at 75th, or Phil Hunt, who may be had later actually. With that second 2nd rounder, Barwin, Ayers or Brandon Williams makes sense too.

With that many picks in the middle rounds, I’d be super unhappy not going after multiple pass rush threats…

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew and Wood vs Mack and Nelson

I will take option B!

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by Joe P. on Feb 24, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I don't disagree that Mck and Nelson to me is the better idea

But I tempered my thoughts abit and looked at if I was Ralph and co. and right now, from what we are hearing is that they LOVE Pettigrew as a “complete” TE vs someone like Nelson who is pass catcher first, blocker sort of. So I decided to do what they would there, and that is target their “complete package” guy. I personally would love to get Mack at #21!

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Flexibility

Your “Total” tight end would help the offense a lot more than a pass catcher only. If you have a TE who can stay on no matter what you are doing (pass / run) it leads to a less predictable offense. We all know Turk & CO. need any help they can cget to make the O less predicatable.

by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, you and I think alike K

As I said later on, Sidbury, Ayers/Jackson AND Cody Brown (some scouts think he is one of the best blitzing LBers in the draft) would give us ALOT of people to throw at the QB on passing downs.

Must admit the pick I made for the Packers with Project Mayhem is actually really really good in a lot of ways. Kapman AND Mayhem as OLBs in a 3-4? Crazy, you’ll be seeing Merriman like numbers being posted by them that season.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is pretty solid. I like Brad Meester more than most do. I’m not sure why more people on this blog aren’t mentioning his name as often as Birk and Saturday.

What exactly do you gain by cutting Ko Simpson before free agency starts? At least let the guy come in to camp and try and earn a spot on the team. What if Buffalo has a safety that tears up his knee in preseason and another one who gets banged up and misses some games? Do you still not want Simpson on the roster then? You lose nothing except for one of 80 offseason roster spots and you gain a decent cheap insurance policy by keeping him.

I really like the idea of making Leonard Weaver an offseason priority. The Bills seemingly don’t have a clue how to use a fullback, nor do they have the desire to work one into the offense. Since Weaver is so versatile, I think even this staff could get a lot of good use from a player like Weaver. He would be a great check down option for Edwards, is a decent runner and average blocker. He isn’t a mauling run blocker, but for a guy of his size and receiving skill he is a really solid blocker.

I’ll use Kurupt’s words here and say that it would be “nearly impossible” for the 2 QBs to slide that far. Stafford in particular has close to a zero percent chance of being on the board when Buffalo picks. You have to go all the way back to the 2000 draft just to find a draft where a QB wasn’t taken in the top 3. If Detroit is dumb enough to pass on Stafford then either KC will take him, somebody will trade up to get him, or San Fran will get an A+ grade from every analyst regardless of who else they pick because getting Stafford at 9 would practically qualify as a miracle.

I’m on board with cutting Parrish. He is really, really overpaid and the Bills have too many overpaid guys to not cut a couple of them this offseason. If Buffalo wants to be at all active in free agency they need to trim some fat off the roster first.

Daven Holly is better than a fifth CB. I think Buffalo might actually make a run at a player like Holly or Green, but they won’t be chaep and would instantly pass Corner on the depth chart and compete with McKelvin and Youboty for playing time.

I’m not sure how Tyson Jackson is even remotely appealing as a second round pick. He is a great player, but a run stuffing LDE and situational pass rusher as a DT just doesn’t help enough to spend a second round pick on a player like that.

by kaisertown on Feb 24, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I tossed Ko because I think Whitner will be full time FS, Scott full time SS

And with Wilson who can play either in a pinch and Wendling on the roster, I want only 1 more S around. I went with Wiley late simply because that means I get Ko’s replacement, and possibly the guy to take Whitner’s spot if he continues to disappoint.

Weaver has so many uses, I don’t think even Turk can screw it up.

I do not think, especially after Stafford’s attitude at the combine that Detroit will take him. Next, Scott Pioli is now the GM of KC and he has Hunt’s complete trust, and I don’t think he will go with Stafford or Sanchez for his first pick, the consensus best LBer is a smarter move. San Fran I am not so sure on about QB, Singletary has yet to say anything other than Shaun Hill is his QB, and he has time to work with due to the Franchise liking him. I think he may wait a year to go after Bradford, McCoy or Tebow. If both QBs miss in the 1st 8 picks, you’ll see ALOT of action of guys trying to move up, or praying that they tumble to them.

Holly is better than a 5th man, but with the knee injury, just like Crowell, there will be a prove it deal somewhere. This would allow us to take a project CB in the 6th-7th rounds and work on him for a year, so we could just target the fastest CB left on the board at that point.

Ayers and Jackson at that point are the best DE’s left available at that point. With Jackson being able to stuff the run, I added Lawrence Sidbury who is a pure pass rusher, and I also took Cody Brown of UConn who is considered one the best pass rushing LBers in the draft this year, but needs work in other areas, so I have made up some of the ground sack wise that Jackson would cost me. Ayers would be a better all around DE to take depending on team needs right then.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m hoping that Simpson doesn’t make the roster too, but I just don’t see what you gain by cutting him right now. Let him come in to camp and try and make the team and cut him when you know that none of your safeties go on IR before the season and that a late round rookie is a better use of a roster spot. Guys get cut this time of year because teams are looking to free up money, not because guys stink.

Weaver has so many uses, I don’t think even Turk can screw it up.

Exactly. Weaver really is a perfect fit for Trent and he could play some RB in a pinch. When I do my mock offseason in a few days, I will probably include Weaver.

We will have to agree to disagree on the QBs.

Good point(s) on Holly.

When you say that Ayers and Jackson are the best DEs left, do you mean best according to internet rankings or best for Buffalo? I just can’t see how Tyson Jackson could be in Buffalo’s top 10 or 15 DEs on their draft board.

I think if Buffalo were to draft Cody Brown it would be as a situational defensive end and not as a linebacker. He played with a hand on the ground like 95% of the time in college, so I’m not sure why you’re referring to him as a linebacker.

by kaisertown on Feb 24, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ayers and Jackson appear to be the next best rated Web wise

I don’t know much (at all) about Jackson, so I went with the “pros” on that. Ayers I know is a bit more of a run stopper, but he does get after the QB. Cody Brown is being projected by many places as being an OLB at the next level, and since I would be getting Lawrence Sidbury as my project situational pass rusher, I would need him somewhere else on the field. I guess we could go 4 DEs on passing downs, that would be wild.

Lets see, Sidbury, Ayers, Brown and Schobel would be interesting to watch on say 3rd and long.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I’m against drafting Jackson or Ayers, but you make a good point. IF we were to draft one of them in the 2nd, and back that up with a speed rusher (Sidbury, or Hunt, B. Williams, etc) and a LB with good pass rush skills, it would make a lot of sense. Obviously I don’t think Jackson or Ayers will give us much as a pass rusher, but as a LDE on run downs, they have more than enough value. With Sidbury/Hunt and Brown being brought in as situational pass rushers, we wouldn’t be relying on just one guy to do it all for us at DE. I like that idea. I also like that bringing in a trio like that would absolutely necessitate a Kelsay release. That is probably the best part of your scenario :)

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant to add that I’m against adding Jackson or Ayers, and no one else. We don’t need to address the position with just one guy who can’t get to the QB. Adding a good run stuffer and multiple situational rushers is a very solid idea if we were to trade down in Round 1.

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly. Weaver really is a perfect fit for Trent and he could play some RB in a pinch. When I do my mock offseason in a few days, I will probably include Weaver.

What about Justin Griffith? I’m trying to remember the type of player he was in ATL and I think he’s fairly athletic. He’s also a pretty decent receiver (11 career receiving TD’s), so that’s another vet FB I’m looking at in the next few days. I think he’d be another good addition for our O.

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Griffith is that kind of player, but he isn’t nearly as good of a blocker as Weaver is though.

by kaisertown on Feb 24, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post

however, I don’t like the results. I don’t like Pettigrew AT ALL or Maybin for that matter. Personally I think Maybin is last years’ Gohlston. Barwin is a joke and I wouldn’t take him until the fourth round at the earliest.

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 24, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maybin would be going to the Packers as their other OLB

Kapman and Mayhem as your OLBs in a 3-4? With the ability to put their hands down on pass situations is pretty dang scary to me!

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by WABillsfan on Feb 24, 2009 4:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

To WA

I looked over your plan again. I really like most of it, if not all. Your approach to FA is very realistic in my book.

by krytime on Feb 24, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree. It grew on me on second and third thought. Especially if we were to grab Mack and Nelson instead of Pettigrew/Wood.

~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why thanks K and Kry

I tried to be as sensible as I could in apporaching FA for our team. The reason being is that it sets the WHOLE tone of the draft for us come April once we have our main targets taken care of there. I went for guys who would be starters and while not flashy difference makers every down, guys who can hold the fort till we can draft those flashy playmakers.

I told the witch doctor that I was in love with the Buffalo Bills, and instead of telling me to say "Oh eeh oh oh ah, ting tang walla walla wing bang" in order to make me feel better he told me to buy a gun and end it.

by WABillsfan on Feb 25, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3 Centers?

Resign Preston, get a center in FA, and then use (waste?) our 1st rounder on Mack? We could drop down further and get Mack. The scenario is fine if we use the lower 1st pick on a defensive stud who falls to us, or on Pettirgrew.

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by ChipShot on Feb 26, 2009 7:43 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I really like it WAfan.

Rec’d it.

I think bringing three centers into camp is a good idea. That way Meester and Preston can fight it out over a roster spot. Shawn Nelson is a good addition in the second round. Adding three DEs is highly unlikely since we added one last year and have three vets under contract. That would mean 4 current roster + 3 new = 7 DEs. They only carried 5 last year. I don’t think they will cut Kelsay but with a very good camp by one of these guys they may. Two of the three vets are for sure staying and will be our opening day starters. The DEs through the draft will be pass-rush specialists and you don’t need three of them (plus Ellis). All in all though I really like this offseason.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I disagree MRW...

He stated:

We are now just looking for a Pass Rush DE, a Pass Catching TE, a 3rd RB, and depth players.

But then with the first pick, a trade down – has them selecting a center. While they need to address it if this scenario played out, it shouldn’t be their 1st round pick. Moving down to 21 makes Pettigrew a great pick for them. I just don’t like mentioning the needs as P.R. DE and P.C. TE, but taking a center before addressing those needs.

Everything else is very agreeable with me.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 8:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Right but he adds the first three things.

And Mack/Meester can start and the other one can add depth. He addresses the need for a starting Center (we he states earlier than the quote you took) by adding Meester but improves it by adding Mack. Then you can cut Meester or start him (preferable to me) for half the year or a full year while Mack gets the new offesnive calls, etc.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meester is going to get way too big of a contract to be brought in to battle for a roster spot. you simply can’t sign Meester (giving him a few mil in a signing bonus) and then immediately release him.

by kaisertown on Feb 26, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In this scenario...

I would prefer to start Meester and let Mack sit for a year or two. If Meester blows a big one then put the kid in around the bye week or later in the year.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The plan there is to release Preston at that point

With Mack on board and showing at the Senior bowls that he CAN play G, he becomes my new swing player since Preston won’t cost much to retain for a half season.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only they were speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think Buffalo has enough money to pull this off. Signing Coles, Meester, Weaver and Boley and some depth just can’t happen. The Bills have the cap space, but not the real dollars.

If you just didn’t sign Meester at all and brought in a cheap player to back up Mack and the guards like Preston, Grey Ruegamer or Russ Hochstein it might and I stress might leave you with enough money to sign the other guys. I personally don’t think Buffalo has enough money to extend Peters and do much of anything else at all, but time will tell.

by kaisertown on Feb 26, 2009 10:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Weaver will not cost much, Boley may be a bit of a stretch

But I think we can swing for Coles and Meester since with Saturday, now Brown and Grove all out there, and with a limited number of teams looking for C’s this is our chance to surpress the price on a vet.

If the Bills were a drug, I could only they were speed so I could lose some weight as well.

by WABillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and with a limited number of teams looking for C’s

Almost half the league is looking for a new center. I would put the list at:
Buffalo
Miami – supposedly, although I’m not sure why
Baltimore – they could use Chris Chester though
Cincinatti
Pittsburgh
Indy
Jacksonville
Tennessee – Mawae is like 50 years old. They could move Eugene Amano to the pivot though
Kansas City
Denver – maybe
Oakland
Detroit
Minnesota
Green Bay – maybe
Arizona
St. Louis

That actually is half the league.

by kaisertown on Feb 26, 2009 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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