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Owen Daniels - A Bill?

by BuffaloWhiner on Feb 24, 2009 3:00 PM EST Comment 50 comments

The Houston Chronicle has reported that the Bills are interested in Owen Daniels, TE from the Texans, and also a Pro Bowler. Not sure if Daniels has been named as franchise player and I don't believe he is worth a 1st and 3rd rounder. But if Bills could swing a trade somehow, that would fill one huge hole.

11:45 John McClain: A little bird leaned in over my right shoulder and just told me the Bills may come after Owen Daniels. Revenge for Bill Kollar?

Career Statistics
Year	Team	G	GS	rec	yds	avg	lg	td
2006	HOU	14	12	34	352	10.4	33	5
2007	HOU	16	16	63	768	12.2	29	3
2008	HOU	16	16	70	862	12.3	35	2
Totals		46	44	167	1,982	11.9	35	10

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Do you have a link for this?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

Seriously? We went over this earlier this week.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/2/22/767753/would-you-do-it

And he is a TE on the Texans not the Titans. The Titans have Bo Scaife. He is not franchised he is a restricted free agent. We still don’t know what tender he signed so we don’t know what it will cost in draft compensation to get him here.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2009 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

What isn’t mentioned by John McClain is that the “little bird” reads Buffalo Rumblings.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And he is a TE on the Texans not the Titans

when did he say Titans? i didnt’ see it…

also

Seriously? We went over this earlier this week.

relax matt – he may not have been here at the site when it was in “prime time” – that does happen

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by J2 on Feb 24, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

when did he say Titans? i didnt’ see it…

That would be because I fixed it.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

excellent answer

Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?

by J2 on Feb 24, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

See I can't edit other people's stuff.

I am not cool enough.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2009 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I am not cool enough.

yeah, you really need to work on that.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 24, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, you really need to work on that.

it is getting a little ridiculous ;)

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by J2 on Feb 24, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

has he even signed a tender yet?

I have heard nothing about his signing anything. It’s almost guaranteed the Texans will tender him at the highest level but it is surprising it hasn’t been done yet.

by gatornation on Feb 24, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There's no hurry

They have until the close of business on Thursday (2/26) to get it done. Why not sit back and gauge the interest in him before deciding what tender to offer?

by Ron From NM on Feb 24, 2009 6:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, Yes and YES

I LOVE IT. Another weapon for Trent and someone that knows how to get open. Good hands, decent run blocker and he has gotten better as his career has progressed.

MOVE THOSE CHAINS!

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 24, 2009 3:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

depends

theres a lot of depends regarding whether or not the bills should try and pick him up. If hes tendered a 2nd round hell yea. if hes tendered a first round then maybe depending on what the front office is going after in the first round. If they have their heart set on Pettigrew (or however u spell it) then hell yea use the first round pick on daniels. hes a proven te that can make plays. If the fo does not want a te in the first round then its iffy. there are a lot of needs the bills should consider covering first.

by billsstein on Feb 24, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Some things to know about restricted free agency:

The Texans, like the Bills and every other team in the league probably won’t be tendering their RFAs until thursday which by no coincidence is the deadline to do so.

Players get tendered a contract, but they don’t sign it right away. A tender is the way that a team maintains a certain amount of rights or ownership or whatever you want to call it depending on how big the tender is. Once a plays signs a tender, they are under contract and are no longer able to negotiate with other teams. So the RFAs that Buffalo tenders will probably all sign the deals quickly because they won’t get better offers elsewhere. Owen Daniels on the other hand will take his time and negotiate just like an unrestricted free agent would. If nobody gives him a good enough deal then he will sign the RFA tender.

Here are the different amounts you can tender a player for:

1 mil – this ensures that the team has the right to match any contract the player signs and if the team were to decide not to match then they get compensated with a draft pick in the round the player was originally drafted in. If a player was undrafted then there is no compensation.

1.5 mil – 2nd round pick

2.2 mil – 1st round pick

2.8 mil – 1st and 3rd round pick

by kaisertown on Feb 24, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions 2 recs

Yeah, that. And at just $2.8 million, I’m guessing that Daniels will get the high tender. They might risk the $2.2M tender, but neither is worth Buffalo’s time compensation-wise.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly!

Daniels is not worth a #1 given the crop of TEs in the draft, especially since he is not the strongest of blockers, he’d be used primarily in passing downs. Pettigrew is well within our reach and has the potential of being a superstar “à la Tony Gonzales” and more importantly, if we seriously target Pettigrew, we could trade down a few spots and still get him meaning we’d actually get a better overall TE and stack up a few extra picks to boot!

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by keysh67 on Feb 25, 2009 7:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What makes you think pettigrew has the potential to be a super star??

Is it because of his 4 career td receptions? or maybe his 42 receptions for just a shade over 440 yards last season? I’ve heard all the excuses the qb needs to get him the ball, they have so many other weapons to get it to, blah blah… but if this guy is so great he should of at least been used more in the redzone w/ his size, and should have at least been a littlemore productive…this guy isn’t a been there and done that guy, i don’t see why everyone is so high on him?? it must be his physique, and his blocking ability, and he has decent hands… but i just don’t see how a guy that has numbers like him can be considered the 8th best player in the draft.. just doesnt make sense to me.. i know it’s all about translating to the nfl and because of certain attributes the so-called experts believe he can do that better than any other te in this class, but i just don’t see greatness from this guy.. honestly in 3 years i think he’ll develop into a robert royal… just what we need on the team.. the only difference i see between royal and pett is that pett probably has the better hands out of the two (which isn’t much of a compliment).

the TE i like in the draft as an all around TE is chase coffman, compare his overall body of work in college to Pett’s. Coffman’s been doing it since his freshman year. last year he had over 80 catches, 900 yards, 10 td’s and has put up great numbers the 3 years prior to that.. and mizzou also had it’s fair share of weapons.. now this guy is a been there and done that guy, and it will be nothing for to come into the nfl and put up numbers he’s done that before.. now do we really wanna take a guy who has never had over 50 receptions in college, has never had more than 4 tds in a season, and has never had more than 500 yards receiving.. pett isn’t used to getting the ball in his hands very often, so do we expect him to just take on this extra receiving load that we will want from him and run w/ it?

by Shovel51 on Feb 25, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

From a previous Combine post…

Oklahoma State ran the ball on 64.1% of its offensive plays last season. They also have one of college football’s best young receivers in Dez Bryant, who had 87 grabs at 17 yards per grab and a whopping 19 touchdowns. Pettigrew was the only other Cowboy with more than 40 grabs.

I don’t give a rip about his production knowing that he comes from an incredibly run-oriented offense and has one of CFB’s best receivers stealing touches from him. The fact that he grabbed 42 balls impresses me knowing that; it hardly discourages me. He also averaged 11.2 yards per reception. The guy can ball, and when I hear people label him as a blocking tight end, I absolutely cringe.

If he runs anything less than 4.7, you can bet a LOT of money that he’ll be Buffalo’s pick at 11, and if (when?) that happens, I’ll cringe when I hear people complaining. He’s as sure a bet in this year’s draft as anyone, and for a coach on the hot seat, that’s going to be a HUGE selling point.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And for you Chase Coffman lovers...

The man has never lined up with his hand on the ground. He is a bulked up WR so yeah he could stretch the seam but he is not an every-down player yet. Pettigrew is the only 3 down TE in the draft. Pettigrew is the only 3 down TE in the draft. Pettigrew is the only 3 down TE in the draft. Pettigrew is the only 3 down TE in the draft.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 25, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wait re-explain please?

Owen Daniels on the other hand will take his time and negotiate just like an unrestricted free agent would. If nobody gives him a good enough deal then he will sign the RFA tender.

Technically a RFA isn’t actually a RFA until they sign the tender but they don’t actually have to sign the tender if they don’t want to? I am confused and sure I am not getting this properly. Are you saying that Daniels can go into the free agency period without having signed his tender and can accept offers?

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 24, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It’s the other way around, an RFA is an RFA until they sign the tender. Once they sign it, they are under contract. Most players will wait until the April 17 deadline when other teams can’t negotiate with RFAs anymore before accepting the tender.

Tenders are really just contract offers. Teams give the players a qualifying offer, but the players are free to negotiate with other teams until they sign the tender. The tender is basically a collectively bargained contract that the team offers to the player. So once the player signs the tender he is officially under contract and therefore cannot negotiate with other teams.

Players don’t actually have to sign the tender, but since the team owns the players’ rights for that season their choices are to either sign the tender, play and get paid or sit at home and watch from TV and go broke. If a player doesn’t sign the tender, he isn’t under contract so he couldn’t be fined for skipping OTAs or camp. Obviously you can’t get the accrued season necessary to become a UFA the following year without playing so guys are always going to sign the tender. It’s really just a formality.

by kaisertown on Feb 24, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thank you kaiser, good explanation.

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 24, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No longer am I excited - I am positive that you have ruined my whole day Kaiser - thanks

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 24, 2009 4:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Sorry.

If Buffalo wants Daniels, their best bet is to work out a trade where they give up a 2nd round pick or something in exchange for the rights to him and then work out a contract after you get him. It doesn’t happen very often, but RFAs don’t change teams all that often in general.

by kaisertown on Feb 24, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wes Welker is the only one I remember in a long time.

WHen he went from Miami to the Pats for a secound round pick.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 24, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Second and seventh, actually.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the clarification buddy

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 25, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

its ok - we just need a TE that can catch the ball and get open (move the chains) I want Daniels

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 24, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would gladly give up a 2nd rounder for him

If we target Orakpo with #11, then I really like the idea of getting Daniels for a #2 – that would be great value!

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by keysh67 on Feb 25, 2009 7:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL. That’s OK. Brandon Pettigrew just rang the commish’s phone. He’s here to save the day.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I STRONGLY disagree with Pettigrew

simply because I don’t think the guy can come in and make an impact in his first year. We need a PLAYMAKER NOW.

The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.

by Cutter3636 on Feb 24, 2009 4:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I was just joking. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 24, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If drafting Pettigrew leads to the cutting of Royal then he will have a huge impact in his first year.

The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.

by sireric on Feb 24, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

without even seeing the field – plus we’d have to cut Kelsay too

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by J2 on Feb 24, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

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by keysh67 on Feb 25, 2009 7:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Because we are 1 player away from making the playoffs... right!

C’mon on guy, let’s be serious here. Pettigrew has the potential of being something really special whereas Daniels has already shown his colors, he is a one-dimensional “pass-catching” TE. No harm in it, it’s just what it is.

The way I see it, a great all around TE can be in on every play and make a difference both in the passing game as well as the running game, which by the way we sucked at last year. The run blocking last year was horrible the first half of the season. Having a chance to land a great overall TE that has the potential of being the next Tony G is far more beneficial for our team in the long run!

Sorry Cutter but I emphatically disagree with you.

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by keysh67 on Feb 25, 2009 7:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Price is too high

I’d love to have Daniels, but if it costs us a 1st and a 3rd then it’s not worth it IMO.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 24, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Thank God

for this post. I have been waiting for someone to finally mention Daniels as a possible target for the Bills.

by Buffalonian on Feb 24, 2009 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

We had a whole post about it four days ago and we have been mentioning it all week.

Daniels has been mentioned.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 25, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Whatever the price

I’d rather have a proven FA commodity on offense than trying to draft the next big time TE and get screwed over. I thik I hear it alot on here, and am starting to believe, that you get impact from the draft sooner on defense, and it might be a better idea to get offensive help via free agency.
We got the line going in 2007, some stuff for defense in 2008, now it would be nice to grab some offensive difference makers this year

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by killascript on Feb 24, 2009 6:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

What if the price is a first and third round pick and a contract worth 36 mil like Dallas Clark got?

by kaisertown on Feb 24, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What if he continues to catch 70 passes for 800 yds ?

Then, it might just be worth it. However, the first round pick is a bit dicey, I admit, but if we have another plan of attack, then it may be okay

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by killascript on Feb 24, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I can respect that. I wasn’t trying to disagree (even though I do), I was just curious whether you literally meant “whatever the price”.

by kaisertown on Feb 24, 2009 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess that's why I don't make those decisions, but if I were to

And if it was a first and third I had to sacrifice, i would have to be confident that he is a top 5 AFC tight end, and that I can get back into the first round some other way, if that was my only means of attaiing a pass rusher (assuiming that either in FA or via trade, I did not get someone). But if we were going to do that, why wouldn’t we just draft Pettigrew at 11? So, perhaps it is just smoke and mirrors, OR as I might think as I write this, that the Bills FO are just exploring all options. They are looking at the weak spots; TE, DE, etc. and are exploring all avenues. I like it, but I would like the first round pick, or a first round pick, and Daniels if at all possible.

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by killascript on Feb 24, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d have to be confident he’s a top 5 TE, period. Forget AFC. Think about it, besides Gonzo, Gates, Clark and then maybe Winslow and Miller, there isn’t much there. If he isn’t in that top 5, he shouldn’t even be discussed as a player to trade a 1st and more for. The only guys I’d consider trading that much for are Gates and Clark. Gonzo and Miller I’d go 2nd rounder or so for. I wouldn’t trade Chris Kelsay for Winslow. Basically what I’m saying is, I would never trade a 1st round pick for a player like Daniels. Good, solid receiver, but I think his stats are a bit inflated playing for a good offense and one whose only other TE’s caught 11 passes for a total of 77 yards. I don’t think he’s as gifted as Gates, Gonzo, Winslow or even Clark, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t a very good player. I wish he was on our team, but I wouldn’t give up a 1st and a huge contract for him. Not even close.

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That is very reasonable

And hopefully the Bills will look at it in that manner, because that is a lot for a player i frankly, have not heard of until I got wind the Bills were looking at him, which at this point has never been confirmed. So, i do think you are right, that he had better be one of the best out there, because that is a lot of potential you’re throwing away. Even that 3rd pick could end up being a better TE than Daniels, and certainly that 1st pick has the potential of being an outstanding addition.
I say the bills won’t do it.

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by killascript on Feb 25, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

O Daniels or OD

I think Daniels is a complete TE. But why give out that kind of money when you can draft the guy??? Anybody remember how much it cost us to sign McLovin at 11 last year? IMO, the draft is where you build a team. BUT Iwould swing maybe next years 1st in exchange for OD. Maybe package this years 2nd rd & next years 2nd rd pick. Or even this years and next years 3rd rd pick (similiar for what we got from the Mcgahee deal). I think if the Bills want him bad enough, they will find a way to work out a deal. Texans could use the picks towards their O-line.

How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?

by Rudy916 on Feb 24, 2009 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

McKelvin 5 years $19+M

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and the Texans would also have to draft his replacement, along with another TE since they need one anyhow.

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by Kurupt on Feb 24, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My friend(fellow season ticket holder)...

had a dream we didnt sign anyone, and in our draft we gave away all our picks. When reporters asked Dick Jauron “why dick why??” he said…“Well…Everyone here thinks we had a good thing going last season, we did some good things out there and we have a lot of players with real good character. We definetely have somethings to work on, and somethings to be addressed but we just felt at this time it would hurt our team chemistry if we brought any new players in.”

by The Wagon on Feb 24, 2009 10:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs