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Rumblings' Bills Draft Big Board, Pre-Free Agency

With the NFL's free agent signing period less than two days away, draft talk will slip to the wayside for the time being. A lot is going to change over the next couple of weeks as the Buffalo Bills begin adding and subtracting veterans from their roster, not the least of which is the team's perceived draft value board (which they obviously have yet to put together).

Since change is coming, let's take one last pre-free agency look at draft prospects (with Combine performances in hand). Most of you realize that the term "big board" means the top prospects available, ranked by value. If the 2009 NFL Draft were tomorrow, here's what I believe Buffalo's big board would look like - and I encourage you to re-arrange it in such a manner that wouldn't drive you crazy if this were even remotely real. On to the prospects!

#1 - Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
  6'2", 249 pounds, 4.82-second 40-yard dash
Analysis: His Combine performance was hardly impressive; he ran a slow 40, pulled his hamstring and had some minor but possibly enduring questions arise about his character. That shouldn't matter. Maualuga has tons of experience in zone-based defenses, has top-notch instincts and intangibles, and moves very fluidly. He's a smart player and a leader, and most importantly, he makes plays. Maualuga is the best combination of immediate impact, playmaking and high upside likely available to Buffalo, and even with questions surrounding him, he's still considered a slightly smaller risk than players at other positions.

#2 - Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
  6'1", 256 pounds, 4.73-second 40-yard dash
Analysis: Sure, he's small and probably a better fit for a 3-4 scheme. I don't care, and neither should you. Brown is the best pure pass-rusher available in the draft right now. He's got a quick first step, a burst to close, and some pretty well-developed counter moves. He's light on his feet and more athletic than his workout numbers would indicate. In terms of what the Bills need out of an end this year - the ability to rush the passer - Brown is the best fit to help the team in 2009, and quite possibly the best long-term option as well.

#3 - Brian Orakpo, DE, Texas
  6'3", 263 pounds, 4.70-second 40-yard dash
Analysis: Orakpo had a very solid Combine, clocking in as one of the fastest straight-line ends and showing off his athletic prowess with a massive 39.5-inch vertical leap. But we all knew he'd be a workout warrior. Buffalo is known to covet speed at this position, and Orakpo has that, as well as a more well-rounded game than the rest of the draft's top speed-rushing options. He's got a lot of potential, but he's still widely considered a risky proposition in the first. Like Brown and the next prospect on our list, he may be more ideal for a 3-4 defense.

#4 - Aaron Maybin, DE, Penn State
  6'4", 249 pounds, 4.88-second 40-yard dash
Analysis: Many are down on Maybin after his bulking up to 249 pounds sapped speed out of a rather pedestrian 40 time at the Combine. How quickly numbers make folks forget what's really important - Maybin can flat-out play. He's an excellent athlete with long arms, a great frame and the quickest first step of any end in the draft pool. Even playing at 236 pounds at Penn State, he was surprisingly stout against the run. If this were my board, Maybin would sit atop it. Alas, he's likely to slip down Buffalo's a bit, at least for now, due to his inexperience and need for coaching.

#5 - Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State
  6'5", 263 pounds, 4.85-second 40-yard dash
Analysis: This is everybody's favorite prospect to hate on, but taking Pettigrew - even at pick eleven - makes a lot of sense for the Bills. He's not going to wow anyone with his athletic prowess, but Pettigrew is the only tight end with the ability to start from day one in the NFL, and he's got the movement skills and big hands to eventually develop into an outstanding receiving threat. He is the ideal tight end prospect for Buffalo's offense, and he's a low-risk prospect. That's going to be incredibly appealing to the "win now" Bills. Still, staying at eleven and selecting Pettigrew is far from ideal.

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#6 - Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
After an injury was revealed at the Combine, Crabtree is no longer a mortal lock for the top ten. But let's face it - that's probably where he'll end up.  Pettigrew tops him on the list by probability and by being a smaller risk in terms of immediate expectations.

#7 - Malcolm Jenkins, DB, Ohio State
There are serious questions about whether or not Jenkins has the speed to play corner in the NFL, but in a Cover 2 scheme, corners are better served being physical playmakers than having straight-line speed.

#8 - Brian Cushing, OLB, USC
Has the versatility that Buffalo's coaches like in their athletes, and he's got a high football IQ. Durability concerns and marginal instincts are the only drawbacks.

#9 - Andre Smith, OT, Alabama
Put his weird behavior at the Combine aside for a second. Men of Smith's size (340 pounds) rarely are as athletic as he is. He has the potential to be a dominant right tackle, and could excel on the left side as well.

#10 - Alex Mack, C, California
Clearly not worthy of a borderline top ten pick, but he's the type of physical center that the Bills would like to bring in. Mack will likely top their list of second-pick targets if center can't be addressed via free agency.

Note: This board was assembled under the assumption that OT Eugene Monroe, OT Jason Smith, OT Michael Oher, DT B.J. Raji and LB Aaron Curry are mortal locks for the top ten. At least three offensive tackles are expected to go, and Oher leap-frogs Andre Smith because he acted like a normal human being at the Combine. Raji is a virtual lock for the top ten thanks to his schematic versatility and his being the best DT available by a long shot. Curry's outstanding Combine performance has some folks considering him with the top pick for Detroit.
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Which draft prospect on this big board sits atop your own big board?
Rey Maualuga
101 votes
Everette Brown
136 votes
Brian Orakpo
132 votes
Aaron Maybin
63 votes
Brandon Pettigrew
40 votes
Other (specify in comments)
24 votes

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put orakpo ahead of Brown at this point. Orakpo has move of an every down ability to be a complete De at the next level…..While I like Brown’s variety of moves to pressure the QB, Id rather take the more well-rounded player in Orakpo who is fundamentally sound and his athletic ability is obviously very, very high

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by MARVelous on Feb 25, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s the fundamental difference between opinions. I think we’ve got enough ends that can play every down. I’ll sacrifice some well-rounded for a project if that project can make quarterbacks crap themselves on third down. That’s why I prefer both Maybin and Brown to Orakpo.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am on the Maybin at #11 bandwagon

unless we trade down, then give me Mack. If the Bills FO is so worried about their jobs that they are not willing to give Maybin a year to develop his run game, they are doing the team a disservice. Draft him and turn him loose on passing downs.

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am on the Maybin at #11 bandwagon

Ditto.

by krytime on Feb 25, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m with you unless something completely unforeseen comes along. Project Mayhem is a beast.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 25, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Honestly, if I was the Packers, I would look at making him my choice at #9 and turn him into an OLB and let him rush all the time.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 25, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

40 times

Are ridiculous. Human beings with stopwatches can’t time someone to a hundredth of a second! So when you look at the times, rounding to the nearest tenth gives you more accuracy. Especially for DE’s Orakpo would be no faster than Brown on the football field. Add in Brown’s clearly demonstrated counter moves, and I think we have a winner if he’s available. Maybin is 6’ 4" but played at less than 240? Ellison almost weighs that much. I think he may have issues when it comes to the NFL.

by syrbillsfan on Feb 25, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, Maybin is bulking up. He’s raw. Obviously he wouldn’t be an every-down player, but neither would Orakpo or Brown in a Bills uniform. Knowing that any DE we pick will be a situational guy out of the gate, I’d rather draft the guy with the highest upside. Orakpo, to me, has the lowest ceiling of these three players.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t recall, but I don’t think Bruce was anything more than a situational guy his first season.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 25, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And no, i’m not comparing any one of these players to him.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 25, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

understood, but a very very good point made as well

Bruce didn’t play all 4 downs when he first came here either.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brian, I have been agreeing with you way to much lately :-)

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Alex Mack sucks! There, have at it.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Well then the Bills will probably take Mack at #11 :-)

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

For a #11 pick you’re right. But I sure hope he lands in our lap with our second pick. I will still predict that he will be the first center off the board. He will have an outstanding NFL career.

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by keuka121 on Feb 25, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I wasn’t really serious. I like Mack.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Consider....

that Aaron Schobel is an “every-down DE.” He’s 6’4" and plays between 242-248 lbs. I think it’s very near-sighted for someone to pigeon-hole a guy to specific downs based on his size/speed…. and that’s not to single anyone out because scouts are responsible for that garbage.

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by ForeignArrow on Feb 25, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I went with Orakpo

His ability to rush the passer should trump all other concerns about why he’s “not” their guy. He is an amazing specimen and if coached properly, could become much like Javon Kearse.

I still think Raji has the potential to fall to the Bills. He’d be my top pick for them. Stranger things have happened on draft day. Just ask Donte Whitner, John McCargo, and Brady Quinn.

(Many of you probably wish i’d get beyond this next sentiment, but…) I like Pettigrew more than I have at any point thus far, but I can’t help but feel if they take him this year, then they pass on Gresham if he’s even available to them next year. I know it sounds stupid to say wait on a guy, but I just feel that filling this need might be a strained exercise. We’re not even sure that Turk knows how to involve the TE in the passing game yet!

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 25, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Raji looked like Stroud

Except, maybe not as well shaped. There is a facial resemblance.

by labill on Feb 25, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Does that mean you don’t want Raji? ;-)

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 25, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo probably not available

Watching the combines, I think Orakpo is going back to where people originally placed him (before he started to fall) — in the top 10 (maybe top 5). Brown was slower, weaker, less athletic, smaller and, most importantly, substantially shorter than Orakpo. Orakpo had slipped bacause of his bowl performance — one game.

by labill on Feb 25, 2009 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, “in the top ten” means there’s a shot he’ll be available to Buffalo, since we’re, you know, 11. I’m not going to cry if Orakpo’s off the board. Having three legitimate talents at the position obviously helps.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not my “top ten” — that means 1 -10, and “maybe top 5” means really not 11. I still believe that no QB will be in the top 10 (or maybe just 1), and with Smith disappearing and Jenkins falling, the Bills options unfortunately got shorter.

by labill on Feb 25, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep in mind that there are still Pro Days to consider. EVERYONE ran slow in Indy, and once some of the big names start putting up better times at their Pro Days, everything will re-configure itself largely to the way it was before the Combine. That’s generally what happens every year.

I agree that there’s a strong chance that Orakpo’s off the board. But it’s not a certainty, which is why I kept him on the list. I certainly hope he’s gone and he goes first, because I prefer the other two to him anyway. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok Brian

I will take your possibility that Orakpo becomes available to us. I love it. 1st round — Orakpo, 2nd round — Unger/Wood, 3rd round — Coffman, 4th round — Freeman. I am excited about Coffman dropping a bit because of Cook and Casey

by labill on Feb 25, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Coffman is not going to last to the 3rd round.

Neither is Cook probably. Travius Beckum is the name I am eyeing if we wait unti lthe third round.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 25, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But he could be gone too.

You never know.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 25, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cornelius Ingram ahead of Beckum

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you want a guy with average hands?

Beckum is an outstanding pass-catcher while Ingram isn’t. Beckum use to play OLB and is not averse to a little contact. I would take him over Ingram in a heartbeat.

I am quoting SBN’s own Alligator Army with his average hands. I did a scouting report on both guys (you’ll see them at some point I’m sure) and while he may develop into a bona fide NFL TE he does not have the best hands.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I haven’t seen Ingram nearly as much as them, so maybe his hands are a bigger issue than I thought.

I also thought I saw Beckum weigh in at 223. I was wrong, he weighed 243 at the Combine. He’s pretty much the same size as Ingram, so his receiving skills might push him back ahead of Ingram. Have you heard if Ingram is much of a blocker? I thought I had read he’s done a solid job of it in the past….

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo also dropped because of the sentiment surrounding Texas players: great atheletes who seem coddled too much.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 25, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And by “dropped”, you mean “didn’t really drop except in the eyes of morons who do mock drafts every week”. He really didn’t drop too far, and he’s not “rising” now, either.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He never dropped to me and I find those analysts completely nuts to continue to say that a school means a player WON’T succeed. A man finds it in himself if he wants to.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 25, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Has Bobby Reid (Texas Southern QB) been mentioned at all here?

I can’t recall. Regardless, what do you all think about him? I feel he could be a late pickup for developmental purposes. Just not sure there’s room for him if they bring in a vet.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 25, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think he is definitely rising after the combines. The commentators are all saying that. And, watching the combines, I think he should be rising. The reason he was not in the top 5 before the combines, apparently, was his poor performance in the bowl game.

by labill on Feb 25, 2009 4:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can’t see how Orakpo could be rising due to the combine. Remember that it doesn’t really matter how these guys time compared to other players. What matters at the combine is how guys perform compared to how scouts thought they would perform. Everyone expected Orakpo to be a “wortout warrior” and he was.

by kaisertown on Feb 25, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fine with me

My top five:

  1. Michael Crabtree
  2. Brian Orakpo
  3. Aaron Maybin
  4. Brandon Pettigrew
  5. B.J. Raji

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 25, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I love Maualuga

Scouting Combine means nothing – Who would have thought Eddie Royal would be the best rookie receiver this year. Maualuga has been a beast and the Bills would have solid linebacking corps in Poz and Mitchell. Question marks abound around Maybin, Everette Brown, etc. Not only that, but look at the talent that comes out of USC on the defensive side – Troy Polamulu, Lofi Tatufu from Seattle – All Pro Bowlers.

He has size and he hits hard!

by BuffaloWhiner on Feb 25, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So True

Maualuga would be a good fit for B-Lo too, but is he worth #11

by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 25, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I generally have a hard time taking a linebacker at 11, but I think Maualuga is worth that spot in the draft, especially considering the fact that linebacker is so week this year.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hello fellow NorCal Bills fan.........

Glad to see Im not alone……

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 25, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eddie Royal had an awesome combine. The only reason he even got drafted in the second round was because of some great senior bowl practices and a great combine. Royal was a pretty average player stuck in some terrible college offenses. He is the opposite case of Maualuga.

by kaisertown on Feb 25, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

6 foot 1 inches

That is a big issue for an end, isn’t it? The one thing Denney and Kelsey do is block the ball/path.

by labill on Feb 25, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It’s not an issue for Indy’s ends, who are 6’1" (Freeney) and 6’2" (Mathis) respectively…

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But everyone knows that Freeney is an exception. You could say that Drew Brees is only 6’1", but the fact is that you generally want a QB to be taller. Height is very important for an end, and Freeney would be that much better if he were 6’4". A lot of OL and QBs will be a half foot taller. than Brown — he better be that much more special.

by labill on Feb 25, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The question for Brown is not his height but his stamina. Can he hold up for an NFL season? Eventually he will, but there is that win now mentality that we have to deal with. Freeney and Mathis get leverage underneath because of their size. It’s hard to question Bill Polian and the way he has crafted the Indy Tampa 2 D line. When I look at a DE coming out of college I envision the guy 10 lbs heavier as he will be in the NFL. Exception Orakpo. He’s maxed out.

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by keuka121 on Feb 25, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Freeney is definitely the exception. That guy was more explosive in college than Brown ever was despite playing 10-15 pounds heavier then Brown did.

by kaisertown on Feb 25, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, umm, only Denney really blocks passes consistently anyway, Kelsay, not so much

He just is….. there. I would prefer ANY of the top 3 DEs to Kelsay on passing downs regardless of height.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 25, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im still holding out hope for Raji

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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 25, 2009 5:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would be happy with Raji too

But maybe we can get Shawn Rogers? It is rumored that he doesn’t want to play for Mangini.

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he is asking to be released....I think the Lions have a one year option they can pick up if they want to

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How about Lynch for Shawn Rogers and Jamal Lewis?

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't go there joe!!

Marshawn has made a few errors because he probably still hangs around with his crappy buddies. On the field and as a teammate he is above reproach and a model athlete (great teammate & plays with lots of heart). I want to believe that someone will take him under their wing and help him make the right choices when he is off the field.

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by keysh67 on Feb 25, 2009 6:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bong Mode stays here agreed Key

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by WABillsfan on Feb 25, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No player is irreplaceable

well….almost no player.

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The chances are incredibly remote that Rogers actually gets his wish.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You could be right, but remember what an unmotivated Rogers played like for the Lions.

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he was good enough to get serious interest from more than one team…

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not saying I don't want him, I am saying that if he doesn't want to play he will not

Would he sit out the year?

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by Joe P. on Feb 25, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What I was saying is that even unmotivated and in the dog house, Rogers still played well enough to get serious interest from multiple teams. Cleveland, Denver and Buffalo all pursued him hard.

He won’t not play.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not playing does nothing...

If he doesn’t play he doesn’t earn a season towards free agency right?

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 25, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: "had some minor but possibly enduring questions arise about his character"

What was that all about? I didn’t hear a thing about Maualuga being a bad apple. What has anyone heard about that?

by krytime on Feb 25, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He got arrested for sucker punching some guy in the face at a party a few years ago. He has also been disciplined 3 or 4 other times for reasons the USC staff never made public. He has always been considered immature.

by kaisertown on Feb 25, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info. I didn’t know any of that.

Is any of it enough to deter you taking him?

by krytime on Feb 25, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It really depends on what he did to get himself into trouble with the coaching staff. It would be so much easier to say if you could sit down and talk with the guy and then have a phone convo with some USC coaches. My guess is that he is just a fiery intense guy who lets his temper get the best of him. And I really don’t care if he was late to some meetings or partied around a little too much or anything like that. All that stuff probably wouldn’t change where I would draft him, but I wouldn’t really consider him at 11 either.

by kaisertown on Feb 25, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good list

Maualuga is projected top 15 so taking him at 11 is not such a reach. I agree with you that Orakpo has the least upside of the top 3 DE’s. I voted Maybin. He has the highest upside and is already uber disruptive. I think Orakpo will go top 10. Maybin will easily carry 260 lbs after a year in the NFL.
If the coaches want an immediate impact player then I’d rate the list Maualuga, Maybin and Brown.

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by keuka121 on Feb 25, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Being that the situation was raised

If Crabtree falls to us at #11, do we keep the pick and take a DE, keep it and take Crabtree, or trade back with someone WR needy (Eagles or something) and get some more picks?

I realize, according to the big board, it’d be option one, but I’m not sure what’d be best.

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by TheK-GunNeedsReloaded on Feb 25, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Crabtree makes it to us at all

If he gets past the Seahawks, ALOT of teams will be fighting to take him and move up quick. Anyhow, if he comes to us, trade the pick for as much as you can get. Yeah I know he is a difference maker, but I feel this season might be a wash with the potential teams we are playing. So give me more picks and more bodies to push to borderline guys on our team out the door pronto.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 25, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Some would say

Yu gotta take the best guy…I am leaning towards that more and more every year. Regardless of need, you gotta take the best guy out there.

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by killascript on Feb 25, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's right

We need more capable bodies to replace our borderline starters.

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by moncheri on Feb 26, 2009 5:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

B.J. Raji is my first choice if not available

I would select Michael Johnson DE, 6’07", 267lbs., from Ga. Tech. I think he has more upside then Maybin, Brown and Orakpo. Johnson is quicker than Maybin and Orakpo. Johnson has the frame to play at 280 without losing speed.

by gjv on Feb 25, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Johnson is a guy that we could trade up into the late 20s to get. He’s the most unproven of all the top ends this year, and that’s saying a LOT.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

all the better if we could get a pick and Johnson. He is the best suited DE in the draft for a 4-3 def.

by gjv on Feb 25, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Brian meant trading up from the 2nd round to the late 20’s….

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Take Andre Smith off the board

That guy has Mike Williams written all over him. There is no reason to take that chance with the 11th pick. You can’t find one other player to put in your board above him?

by south123 on Feb 25, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Maualuga?

Yeah, I had the Bills drafting him….but only after Brown, Orakpo, Maybin, Raji, Curry and Jenkins were off the board. I’d be very surprised if Buffalo had him ranked higher than many of those guys. I’d say a guy like Maybin would represent a little less risk as he could slim down to play LB (if DE wasn’t a good fit) or bulk up to play DE (if LB didn’t work) where Maualuga is a LB.

by Ron From NM on Feb 25, 2009 7:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I’ve said this multiple times and I’ll say it again – Buffalo won’t be drafting one of the speed rushing ends and jerking them around position-wise. You draft an end to play end, you don’t pull a Mathias Kiwanuka on them – the Giants have ruined his career because they keep moving him around. If you draft Maybin, you draft him to play end. You risk everything by thinking you can just move him to LB if he sucks as an end. That’s not how you draft.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You really think the Giants ruined Mathias Kiwanuka’s career by moving him around? I actually think that versatility has made him a bigger name.

by krytime on Feb 25, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gah, I typed his career, but I meant to say productivity. His career’s not over, obviously. The Giants have smartened up, and they’re keeping him at end. They’ve recognized the right way to do things.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, that and all the injuries there this past season necessitated them moving him back to DE

The issue before was with Tuck, Strahan, Osi and others there they didn’t need a 5th speed rusher, and they needed bulk at LBer, so thats why he ended up there.

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by WABillsfan on Feb 25, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't, or shouldn't, the Bills be ranking every player by how good they are...

not by how they fit?

If that is the case with this, i will agree that the QBs should be no where near the top, but no Aaron Curry? Are these your BEST players regardless of need?

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by killascript on Feb 25, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Check the red box at the bottom of the post, where I explain why certain guys don’t make the list.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Woops

I don’;t want to be one of those that you don’t think reads these thing out right, but I guess I agree with your reasoning.
However, it would interesting to guess what the Bills’ Big Board actually looks like. Obviously we’re not there for the interviews, but it shakes up the tree a bit, if we get to see you who think really are the most talented players, 1-15, not just who will get picked. I think those two things are very different and i understand you and the rest of the big 3 + 2 know alot more about these prospects than me and the rest of the second and third tier posters.

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by killascript on Feb 25, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I tend to get a little long-winded. It’s understandable when things are missed. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew is exactly what we need?

Hes a little better than Robert Royal as a receiver not much. Cant stretch the field 0 tds last year in a passing offense.Hes the opposite of what we need. We need an athletic te that can make plays who cares if the guy cant block we already have tes who can block. People compare him to Daniel Graham. If thats his potential thats laughable. He has barely started half of his nfl career and is not a guy who stretches the field. How can you have Michael Crabtree below Pettigrew.If Crabtree is there at 11 and we take Pettigrew. This team mine as well move to Buffalo. Crabtree injury or not is the best playmaking receiver in the draft wr or te and over the last 2 years. The guy can catch jump run and did it against elite competition. Would be perfect complement to Lee and would almost minimize the need for a playmaking te as royal is more than adequate as a good blocker with average hands. Youd rather have a blocking te with 4.9 speed who had 0 tds in a passing offense in the same conference as the man who single handedly cost Texas a shot at the National Championship??Not so sure that is smart.

by pozfan51 on Feb 25, 2009 9:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Please be aware that this is how I believe the Bills’ board will look. My board is completely different. I’m speculating.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo for 11

The problem with taking Maualuga is the same as it is for taking BJ Raji (another name I’ve seen for us in more than one place). We already have a great MLB in Poz, something we lack at the DE position, given Schobel’s injury, and at OLB, given Crowell’s impending departure and the relatively mediocre play of Ellison and the like…not to mention that we just reupped DiGiorgio ( who is a very good backup, mind you). When your team hasn’t made the playoffs this decade, you should really worry more about adding support where the foundation is weak. Right now, the foundation is weak at DE and TE (although I think any of the TEs that will be there in the second round would be much better than Pettigrew, especially James Casey from Rice), not at MLB.

by Hybrid1486 on Feb 25, 2009 9:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pettigrew gets such a bad rep because of his 4.85 40 and his “mediocre” receiving stats. But those are just popular opinions. The dude is a nasty blocker, has potential as a receiver, and is by far and away the most NFL-ready prospect at tight end. I’m not sure which Bills team you’ve been tracking, but that’s exactly the type of tight end that they love. See: Fine, Derek. :)

This is a comment I made in a Combine Open Thread here about Pettigrew and the type of offense he played in at Oklahoma State. Obviously it’s not an opinion-changer, but it’s something worth considering.

Oklahoma State ran the ball on 64.1% of its offensive plays last season. They also have one of college football’s best young receivers in Dez Bryant, who had 87 grabs at 17 yards per grab and a whopping 19 touchdowns. Pettigrew was the only other Cowboy with more than 40 grabs.

I don’t give a rip about his production knowing that he comes from an incredibly run-oriented offense and has one of CFB’s best receivers stealing touches from him. The fact that he grabbed 42 balls impresses me knowing that; it hardly discourages me. He also averaged 11.2 yards per reception. The guy can ball, and when I hear people label him as a blocking tight end, I absolutely cringe.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 25, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying Pettigrew isn’t the best tight end available. I’m saying that the depth at TE this year is outstanding, especially for those looking for a receiving-type, so we could afford to pass up on Pettigrew to snag one of the guys rated in the second round. The drop off from the big three DE/OLB types (Orakpo, Brown, Maybin) is a lot more substantial, and therefore needs to be addressed sooner.

by Hybrid1486 on Feb 25, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That would be my plan of attack as well, and that’s exactly why Pettigrew appears fifth on the list behind all three ends.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 5:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but overall i do like your board

And USC LB would be a good pick at 11 In my opinion and I do like both Brown and Orapko.

by pozfan51 on Feb 25, 2009 9:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

hyrbid you make a good point

we def need to hammer are 4 major needs meaning de te c and olb(which depends on crowell). If we can address 2 in the draft and 2 in fa that would be great. De(orapko,brown, mayben, johnson) and TE(casey,coffman, beckham, ingram) talent pool in FA is weak so IM thinking we hit them in the draft. OLB- there are some decent fas and the possibility of bringing crowell back. C- saturday,brown, birk if any available are good options or a guy look wood in round 2-3 in the draft would be viable. Assuming we dont take mack at 11 or him or unger slip to the 2nd.

by pozfan51 on Feb 25, 2009 9:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Where's Jeremy Maclin?

Am I the only one that thinks Orakpo could be a snap, crackle, pop player in the NFL? As in, his muscles are going to be popping and pulling and tearing more than other players? I just have a bad feeling about the guy.

I am also still struggling to see how Maualuga is a great fit here. I don’t think he’s quick enough to be a #11 pick, nor do I think he fits well in our D. I don’t like the idea of having potentially the slowest LB crew in the league. Poz and Mitchell don’t move well laterally, and I don’t think Maualuga is all that quick either. I still maintain that he’s the perfect 3-4 ILB. I wouldn’t hate the pick of him, but I think there are better players and better fits.

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2009 12:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

K

to your point about Maualuga, I think you have to factor in instincts of a player. players don’t have to the quickest at their position if they have good instincts and are prepared for the team they are playing. I think Maualuga fits that mold. He is already comfortable in this type of scheme, he has exhibited excellent instincts and he makes plays. If his background and interviews are adequete enough then I wouldn’t mind if he is the selection.

Brian, your list is compiled with the thought that this is OBD big board. what external influences, if any, came into play in making this determination (ie: insight from an insider)?

by gatornation on Feb 26, 2009 7:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The list was compiled based on observing the type of player that Buffalo tends to favor on draft day and the words of three sources with varying degrees of access to the organization. Much of what I write along these lines is far closer to informed speculation than the actual plan of the team, because obviously the team isn’t going to divulge those plans. Take it for what it’s worth – and it’s worth at least something, I hope – but please don’t ever take it to be the official word out of OBD. I clearly don’t have (and, in reality, don’t want) that level of access.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

completely understand

and I would never take it as such.
I don’t think a team can really have their heart set on one player given there are 10 other teams drafting before them in the 1st.

by gatornation on Feb 26, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s very true, and at this point in the game, Buffalo’s board isn’t even set. I doubt Jauron and the coaching staff have spent much, if any, time looking at college players, what with free agency upon us.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would hope not

but I would think they have a pretty good idea on who they may consider and who they wouldn’t take in the draft.
Should be an exciting couple of days at OBD, or at least we can hope.

by gatornation on Feb 26, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they’re probably more aware of the type of athletes available and the general depth of certain positions. Modrak obviously is on top of that aspect and can make suggestions accordingly.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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