Bills release OG Derrick Dockery
by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:23 AM EST
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PrintAdam Schefter of NFL.com is reporting that the Buffalo Bills have released starting left guard Derrick Dockery.
Dockery had five years remaining on a seven-year, $49 million deal he signed as an unrestricted free agent in March of 2007. The Bills were reportedly disappointed with his play in 2008 after a solid 2007 campaign.
As Schefter notes, the move does get a too-big contract off of their books, but the Bills will have to "accelerate $5.4 million against their cap" for the 2009 season. That's money that the Bills can't spend this year, folks. The Bills save approximately $450K against their '09 salary cap by cutting Dockery.
I'm not completely surprised by the news - it's likely Dockery was going to get the axe at some point simply because his contract was too large - but the timing of it is weird. Buffalo now has two gaping holes on the interior of their offensive line (left guard and center), so it's pretty safe to say that the team will be targeting interior linemen once free agency opens tonight at midnight. Vikings C Matt Birk or Ravens C Jason Brown are expected to be the team's top-priority free agent target should either still be available when free agency opens at midnight tonight.
Rumors are beginning to swirl that several names are considered possible replacements at Dockery's left guard slot, including current right guard Brad Butler, recently re-signed reserve Kirk Chambers, or perhaps another mid-range free agent option. Stay tuned!
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In FA
and the draft. We have some really good running backs, and the problems with ru blocking are too much to bear.
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That’s money that the Bills can’t spend this year, folks.
No, that’s money they wouldn’t have spent this year and is almost completely covered by the increase in the salary cap.
Fair enough. There’s going to be confusion as to what “accelerate” means, so I threw that in there for clarification’s sake.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
True.
And first person to point out that the Bills are poor is going to get the $78.5m slap across the face.
by twoeightnine on Feb 26, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
dock just sucks at pass blocking too. I feel a lot of Peters blunders were due to Dock. This maybe will free up the Bills to extend Peters at some point, and a possible move of Walker to Guard and Bell to RT….
MARVelous
Definitely
I see an extension for Peters in the works, unless there is a major overhaul, which i don’t see
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by killascript on Feb 26, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Oh boy,
If they go after FA linemen AGAIN this year as their top priority, I think I might scream.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions
… scream adulations? :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Far from it. offensive playmaker needs to be this team’s 1st focus – at least in my world.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
But if you're going to run the ball....
aren’t the people who make the plays the linemen?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
A center would have made a fine adjustment in my book. Now they have to bring someone else in and get them ready rather quickly.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
true.
But Where is Kurupt? He should be trumpeting this move as a sign they will not accept mediocrity.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
BTW
I say this with Brown near the top of my wishlist, as I think he’s the type of player who could take things to the next level. I really want them to grab a WR 2, then Brown.
Who as a guard is there? I honestly have no idea as this seems to be a surprise move (to me).
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Chris Brown at the official site mentioned Brandon Moore’s name when the Jets cut him. I think MRW had a FanPost about it somewhere…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yep, that would be it.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
And in that fanpost I said "I don't think it's gonna happen"
This is the first take-my-breath away moment of the offseason! I am genuinely surprised. I usually don’t like the offseason even though it’s fascinating it wears on me breaking down why we stunk the year before. Plus I never watch other teams or college so free agency and the draft aren’t my favorites. This one is really exciting though.
I guess they "made some decisions with their current offensive front," to use Chris Brown’s words.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Be honest
Are you happy with this move? I certainly am concerned that, now, they have to move WR2 down the list and it’ll be “Fa la la la la la la la la la la. Fa la la la la la la la la la la” (Smurf song) again next season.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
LOL why would I lie? :)
I’m pretty sure they were going to go after a lineman before a receiver anyways, and I may have heard a thing or two to confirm that. This just solidifies it. I’m OK with it – I thought Dockery was incredibly average last season, and I like the idea of getting money off the books in future seasons. But obviously, I’m not happy that we’ve got to go find two starting offensive linemen now.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
That’s what I was looking to get out of you:
But obviously, I’m not happy that we’ve got to go find two starting offensive linemen now.
Right, Dock wasn’t the man they thought he would be here, but I just think they’ve tied themselves down too much with line needs. O and D are in need of a ton of attention now.
I’ll go down with the ship saying that a fantastic o-line isn’t going to get you anywhere if the QB they’re protecting doesn’t have guys to make plays down field.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
Hmmm, one thought just struck me though
Does this mean Wilson thinks there WILL be a salary cap in the upcoming season of 2010? It seems weird he would take this move unless he knew that by taking the ONE hit this year, he would have a huge pile of extra cash moving forward? I am wondering if this wasn’t a move to position themselves for the seasons upcoming thanks to the extra $4 mil the league handed out?
Anyhow, this was a real surprise to me though, I figured Dock would get one more season to show something to the team. Guess I was wrong!
I think we might see Butler moved to LG, Walker to RG and either Chambers or Bell to RT now.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only they were speed so I could lose some weight as well.
I don't understand the logic...
When you release a guy you only take one salary cap hit for the remainder of the prorated signing bonus. Next year, even if there was a cap, Dockery and Royal wouldn’t count against it.
It frees up cash to go after players but it’s not like we are going to become the Yankees and kill other teams in terms of spending.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
It makes sense in that Dockery was not good.
everything else doesn’t make sense though.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Anyone
Could put up the average play he was putting up for a lot less money. I think what we need to do here would be to get past the “NAMES” “Derrick DOckery” here, and just think about production vs. dollars. I think if we took away the names on the free agents / draft eligible players, and just showed a list of what they’ve done in college and the pros, we would find there are a lot more acceptable alternatives than we think. Dock was average, and this loss won’t be as big as we think and could lead to better things. If the Bills are to progress, they need to look at what wasn’t working and blow it up. In 2007 we couldn’t run the ball, but sacks were kept to a minimum. In 2008, we couldn’t run the ball and sacks went up. O-Line was the culprit. BLOW IT UP. That’s what the Bills are doing. Maybe the Bills think Preston might fit better there.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Derrick Dockery was a "name?"
I forgot that he was even on the team half the time.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 26, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
Thats the problem
According to the $$$ we should have been dreaming about his greatness in our sleep
by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
HOLY SH!T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Holy roller coasters
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
Holy rollers, batman!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
They better be more than ``targeting'' a guard in free agency
My guess is they already have a deal all but signed and are just waiting for the deadline to announce it. Whoever it is, the new guy better be someone that impresses me. I don’t think I can stand another year of moving guys around, waiting for the line to ``gel’’.
Man, this was a shocker. I was thinking DE, TE, maybe linebacker. Definitely not another offensive lineman.
With all their other positional problems, do the Bills actually know what they’re doing here?
by Defensewinsgames on Feb 26, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions
With the glaring hole at center, why on earth would you not anticipate the Bills targeting a lineman? This release just makes it more likely, not a new development…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
This changes the draft a little bit
With so many OTs up in the top 10-15, are the Bills thinking of drafting one and converting into a LG? If they don’t make a run at Jason Brown now, it won’t make much sense to me.
It doesn’t make much sense regardless. Now they have another hole to fill, and they don’t even move any money off the books.
Is Dockery great? Certainly not. But he’s not terrible either. Overpaid, but not terrible, and cutting him doesn’t fix the overpaid part. Now he’s overpaid and not even playing. Why do this now? Now, no matter who we get to fill this position, we are gonna be paying 8-10 million at the LG position (Dock’s hit, plus the new guard’s contract).
They most certainly do move money off the books. Just not this year.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah. I think my first thought is: How would this factor into the potentially uncapped year?
by PozDispenser on Feb 26, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Right. So why do it this year? The pointlessness (not a word?) of cutting him this year has already been discussed. Here’s what MRW already said in another post:
Right his salary is low…. but because of his large signing bonus his cap hit would be astronomical to release him. 2009: $2.75 million, 2010: $4.5 million, 2011: $5.65 million, 2012: $6.575 million, 2013: $6.775 million. But each of those years has a $2.3M cap hit from his $16M signing bonus. If he is cut at any point this year his cap hit is $2.3M * 4 or $9.2M. It’s not actual dollars but cap room.
My guess is that the potential uncapped year, the current economy, and Dockery’s overall suckiness last year had a lot to do with it. He really regressed from year one to year two in Buffalo, and there really isn’t a good reason why – nothing changed.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Besides the entire offense’s suckiness…wasn’t their a lot of individual suckiness as well? Why just single out Dock?
Besides, they’ve already got a lot of holes to fill. Why create another one?
Why just single out Dock?
Because Dock was the only one with a $49 million contract on the books…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Right, but now it creates another hole. And I’m not all that confident in Buffalo’s ability to fill 4 holes, now they’ve got 5. I don’t know. Just doesn’t make much sense to me.
I can’t help but wonder if some of this was a not so subtle message to the rest of the team. Its not the same as benching your star QB, but there’s no doubt that it should make some folks in the locker room take notice.
by PozDispenser on Feb 26, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it’s their way of getting to Peters. We can’t get you, so now we’re gonna hurt those around you.
I think you might be reading a little too far into it here. Sometimes, a guy is released because he’s not playing well.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough. That was certainly true in Dock’s case.
by PozDispenser on Feb 26, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
What in the hell would that do to Peters?
Make him want to stay here long term by hurting the rest of the line? Scare him into thinking he’s next? He’s probably hoping for that. A Pro Bowl LT on the open market is going to get PAID.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 26, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I think you guys overestimate
Dockery’s real value to this team. I think he is eminently replaceable. There are a dozen guards who could step in and do just fine, or at least as well as Dockery did last year. There’s probably a couple hundred draft eligble guards, and a dozen possible free agents. Dockery’s production could be filled with a veteran league minimum FA pickup. I think we could find a Brad Butler type somewhere floating around.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
TJ Lang, 6th round baby!
If the Bills were a drug, I could only they were speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Not a hole
Anybody who saw Dockery play last year could not possiblky say that this creates a glaring hole. He was truly bad—and it had nothing to do with Fowler/Duke or Peters. Kudos to them for not chasing a “mistake.” Although I am not clear on how the “escalation” works on 2009 money—they weren’t going to spend the $5.4M cap hit this year anyway. I guarantee that C and LG will be filled by VETS. They are hard after Matt Birk and think they have a real shot at him. Possible also that Chambers will get a nice raise and be moved to LG. Still being worked on.
Geronimo
I would be giddy with Birk.
Thanks for the info.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Geronimo!
Please stay here through the weekend! Would love to hear more from you!
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Unfortunately
unless the Vikes lowball him he’s not going anywhere. He doesn’t want to leave.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 26, 2009 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
We are hearing that the Vikes want to go after Brown.
How bout that O Line making holes for Peterson?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I think Wilson and Co. are gambling on a new CBA being inacted with a smaller salary cap or one that stays level
If the Bills were a drug, I could only they were speed so I could lose some weight as well.
I agree. this move doesn’t make any sense to me at all. Unless Dock has a big, non-guaranteed bonus coming up that we don’t know anything about, Buffalo doesn’t save money by cutting Dock and it leaves them with a second offensive line hole that will need to be filled.
I wonder if Buffalo will consider resigning Chambers to play at guard.
Re-signing Chambers seems like a virtual certainty at this point precisely because of that versatility.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I hope so, but if you had to guess, do you think he will get a shot at being the starter at LG next year, or will he just end up being the backup at almost every OL spot? Too soon to say?
I think we need to see who they target in the wee hours of tomorrow morning before we develop ideas for backup plans.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
maybe, but I think you can sign someone to be a backup before you have a starter. Swing tackle, slot WR, nickel corner, situational pass rushing DE and things like that are roles just like starting LG is a role.
My brain hasn’t really been able to process the whole cutting Dockery before what was easily the cheapest season of his contract, but my early thoughts are that I would prefer Buffalo try and fill the LG spot cheaply with maybe Chambers being the answer.
Sounds good enough
Chambers is a solid OL, and for the right price. He might rise up, and you don’t know exactly what the coaches are seeing. They truly do evaluate every position at the end of theyear
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by killascript on Feb 26, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, some of these holes will have to be filled on the cheap and I think you can get away with Chambers at LG more than you can get away with Kelsay at DE or with Royal at TE.
definitely
Kelsay and Royal must be replaced
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by killascript on Feb 26, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Royal has been replaced
Royal has been replaced by Fine/Schouman The TE we need to add is an addition of something the Bills haven’t had in 10 years a true field stretcher.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Thats over the next 5 years of his deal though. He was probably going to make a little over 3 mil this year in salary and some bonuses. So you could still cut him next offseason and save 24 mil in cash. This move makes absolutely zero sense to me.
Right money-wise no sense...
play wise it’s plenty of sense.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think it is. If Buffalo were to cut everyone on the team who was as mediocre as Dockery is, there wouldn’t be many players left.
zing!
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
the nutshell
full with this meatiness.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
LOL you’ve played the “zero sense” card a few times. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone here as flabbergasted as you are now. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Must not have been about money
This year, anyway. Sub-average performance, just like in the real world, can get you fired. Wilson did put the players on notice, we assumed he meant others, like WR’s and DE’s, etc. Dock probably thought he was excluded, and didn’t step up his play. See ya.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
They have salary off the books.
They weren’t gonna come close to the salary cap anyways.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Guards
You don’t need a first day glory boy to fill a hole at guard. What you need is anyone with some film showing they have good technique and a mean streak. If the Bills are savvy enough, the could even find someone as an undrafted free agent from a smaller college or something. That kind of player could pay dividends here. Gotta have a chip on their shoulder.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
Those guys go undrafted for a reason.
They may not need a glory boy but they need something better than UDFA this year.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Sometimes the reason is nobody heard of them
Scouting, scouting, scouting.
Anyways, it wouldn’t take much for the Bills to fill Dock’s production from last year with a vet making a lot less than Dockery over the course of his deal. I think what might be the case here is enhancing future liquidity. Dock was entering his prime and his production dropped in the two years he was ours. Rather than wait and see, the Bills cut their losses. I don’t think its about the cap, at least not now. I think it has to do with the FA deals / Player extensions (Peters) they are planning to make. The $27 mil remaining on his contract can now be spread into other offers they make. The $1-2 mil per year they could add to a FA offer could blow other teams out of the water. I think we will be pleasantly surprised with what comes from this move.
Does that make sense?
by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
It makes sense.
I don’t think they will be blowing any teams out of the water but the liquidity argument makes a whole lot of sense.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Well, one thought could be that they expect someone from the top 4 OTs to tumble (Andre Smith)
And that they will take that person for their RT and move Walker inside along with Butler and get say Brown or Meester in FA.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only they were speed so I could lose some weight as well.
This whole free agency thing sure shakes up the draft…. I really hope it’s a DE and OLB with the first two picks.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
maybe TE could work...
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
I have trouble believing
Walker could just be “moved inside”. I think the skill set and techniques for guard and tackle are drastically different. It might work in a pinch, but Walker has a tackles body. He would have a lot of trouble with leverage from the guard position and can he pull block?
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
What they said about Dock:
McNally:
“Good stance, long arms, tough to bull rush in pass protection, athletic, has outstanding range. Aware on zone blocks, he can bend his knees. Good short set, good use of his hands, can adjust to movement, good anchor, okay on short pulls, has some quick twitch, hitting ability, big guy that can cover up defenders, can work his hips to wall off, has some hip roll, engulfs linebackers and smaller DTs, gets some pancakes, looks in better shape than he was in college.”
Kulger:
“Huge man, long arms, can anchor in protection despite height. When he gets his hands on people they’re done. Quick first step for a big man, can cover up and maul linebackers at the second level. Bends decent for his size, has tools to be dominant. Can stun you with his punch in protection.”
I guess they changed their minds? LOL. We all know better from watching games the last 2 years. For me, it’s always fun to look back. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Maybe he has regressed, and just isn’t worth the dough
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by killascript on Feb 26, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Regression
almost always seems to be due to age or injury, neither of which are an issue with Dockery. Odd.
The only way to confirm their previous scouting notes would be to evaluate Dockery’s game tape from 2003 to 2006.
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and who he played next to then
I hear alot on NFL radio, that if some fo these guys on the right side of 30 going into FA for the first time were that good on their own, the team wouldn’t let them go so easily
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by killascript on Feb 26, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
When Dockery was the LG in Washington,
I think he played between Chris Samuels (LT) and Casey Rabach ©.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
So people can just go ahead and ignore everything else I ever say. I was really confident that Dock was safe this year.
I do feel like Buffalo has/had to release some players though to be active in FA. The news of Buffalo cutting players might not end here.
Kelsay better be on alert.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
kaiser’s the man for that.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Actually there is no cap next year
unless a new CBA passes. SO there would have been no cap hit….
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
My guess Wilson is gambling there will be a cap
That along with diminishing returns from Dock on the field can explain his axing.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only they were speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Wow!
I am really surprised by this move. Not because he is a great player but because of the cap hit and his (realtively) manageable salary next year.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions
I wonder if they tried to trade him at all
could have packaged him with some other options to land someone else or some picks – wonder if they even tried
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If they did, there were undoubtedly folks who laughed in their face. Nobody was going to take that deal, particularly considering the player that came attached to it.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
we just overpaid for him – wonder if kelsay is next
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I wouldn't bet on it.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Speaking of cap hits
Wasn’t the main reason for going to “cash to cap”, or at least on of the reasons, to avoid having to be prisoner to the cap hit when you release someone? In other words, while this move certainly creates a hole and a huge hit to our regular salary cap this year, doesn’t it not really matter much to the Bills since they use cash to cap? They write off the entire amount of the bonus in year one under cash to cap, so the money available to them in FA really doesn’t change much if they continue to use cash to cap – which I am assuming they are.
maybe...
they are trying to take a serious run at someone and send that cash to the cap philosophy to the curb and put a bulk of it in year 2
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Yes, the cap hit is irrelevant. And its also not as big as we thought it was. Rotoworld had Dockery getting a 16 mil signing bonus, but apparantly only 8.1 mil was an actual signing bonus and the other 7.9 mil were other guaranteed bonuses that counted against the cap right away.
I haven't been able to figure that out.
He got all the bonuses, yes. But I am not sure what’s pro-rated and what’s not. I am pretty sure the entire bonus is pro-rated. whole 16M divided by 7 seasons = a little over 2M per year remaining for the cap hit, around 10-11M total for the 2008 cap hit by releasing him.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, Dock has already earned about 18.5 mil of that 49 mil contract. Great job OBD (claps sarcastically like at a hockey game when a goalie lets in a few softees and then makes an easy save) Great job OBD.
http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/playerdetail.aspx?lname=dockery&player=2780
This was just e-mailed to me by our resident O-Line guru, Ron From NM:
WTF!!! Dock may not have been worth his contract but he was a capable starter. My guess is that the oft-injured Butler is the new LG but who is going to play RG? Preston has already proven he can’t handle the gig. Bell? I can see him playing RG for a while and then maybe flopping slots with Walker. Even if that’s the plan Buffalo goes with the team created a need on the eve of free agency.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions
I understood it and cannot get over the timing of this. There were so many other guys they could have released that contributed LESS, and would have saved more if combined.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
well
i would think a possible plan is to move walker inside, and Bell to RT. They think extremely highly of Bell. And with Chambers and Preston as reserves it’s a plan I could live with. Maybe they’ll go after Jason Brown hard.
MARVelous
Chambers to RT? Bell still seems a little green to me – having zero playing time and all
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
They can think as highly as they want about Bell
but if he’s starting this year we’re screwed. He’s only played football for 4 years. None of it on a stage that can be considered anything more than off-off-off Broadway.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 26, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
What about Brandon Moore?
Seems he is to be released from the Jets – not sure if he actually has been or just speculation at this point.
http://www.thejetsblog.com/2009/02/24/more-on-brandon-moore/
http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/2/21/766885/jets-og-moore-replace-dock
I talked about it a couple days ago. Take a look. It’s probably the best option out there.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I think Moore and Preston
are former college teammates and may have already played next to each other before, if that means anything. LOL…
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
If anyone’s curious, I’m hearing that the Bills “saved” around $500K on this year’s cap for this.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions
Hahaha.
They probably used that money to design the 50th logo. And yet they still overpaid by $499k. I know they didn’t spend any money on the Pro Shop email that they sent out.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 26, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Mismanagement at its finest!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Not with this move, though – with the original deal itself.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
correct.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
That’s interesting. So if his cap hit is what is left of the prorated 8.1 mil signing bonus he would have a cap hit of about 5.8 mil this year. Now I was thinking that he was only going to make about 3 mil this season, but if this move is saving cap space, then his 09 cap hit must have been scheduled to be 6.3 mil. Subtract one year’s worth of that prorated 8 mil and you end up with over 5 mil.
So the question for me becomes, was Dockery going to make the 3 mil I thought he was or was Dock going to make the 5 mil that he must have been scheduled to make if this cut is saving half a mil in cap space. If he really was going to make 5 mil this year, then this move makes much, much more sense. Brian, where did you get that info? Was it from someone who knows what they are talking about, from someone who has something to do with PR or from somewhere on the internet? I ask because Dockery’s 08 cap hit was 6.3 mil and if you subtract that 5.8 mil cap hit from releasing him, you end up with exactly 500K.
His cap value was about $5.9 million and the cap hit was $5.4, from what I’m hearing. All I’m hearing is ballpark stuff, though, and I have no way to verify it.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
This is OK with me
We all wanted a new center so that is nothing new. I was hoping we’d replace a guard anyway. Obviously, they must have better talent identified at both positions, so any weeks lost because of the need fo rthe new line to ‘gel’ will be worth it.
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Was he really that bad or was it more of a financial cut?
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Sort of both.
Average play.
Excessive pay.
I know the Chiefs have been rebuilding their offensive line. How’s the progress with Albert, etc.?
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Albert is going to be solid, he's a fine young man
We have Waters next to him (Pro Bowler) but the rest of the guys suck dirt, literally. we need some help.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
What about Rudy Neiwsigner, Trey Stallings, Herb Taylor, and Daimon McIntosh? Waters is getting old too, isn’t he? Maybe Scott Pioli and Co. will pick up Dockery for the veteran minimum?
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Rudy, we think is just too tall to play the Center position effectively
We think he might make a good Guard.
Sackintosh is only going to stay around for a backup till we can effectively get rid of him financially.
Herb Taylot is a decent reserve and Trey Stallings, I don’t see coming back to camp with us.
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Thanks guys and good luck!
We need a future defensive leader, his name is James Laurinaitis and he can be selected in round 1 of the upcoming Draft.
"But what do I know, I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Likewise.
Chiefs are probably under better direction with Pioli running the show instead of Peterson.
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
you’ll get good responses from here Lanier.
It was probably a little of both – he’s not terrible – but not worth what we were paying him. He seemed to regress this past year.
ron from NM and others here will probably be able to give youa better answer
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
Well I wasn’t expecting this, that’s for sure. After it had been determined that his salary wasn’t that much for this year, it makes even less sense.
Really, they cut him just to save $500K? We still have to replace him with someone.
At least we finally did something about an overpaid underachiever. Don’t stop here, OBD, you’ve got plenty more to get rid of. Dockery may end up the poster boy of the vaunted Marv Levy era and the stench it left on the franchise.
Still I’m confused, we don’t have a backup option and we aren’t saving a great deal of money. Was Dockery THAT bad last year?
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There's Kurupt
At least we finally did something about an overpaid underachiever. Don’t stop here, OBD, you’ve got plenty more to get rid of.
I’ve been waiting for that quote.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
And who are they going to get to play LG for $500 grand? Now they lost a guy, saved “pennies,” and have to find a pricey replacement.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
I work with words for a living. This is a good thing, because I have next to no understanding of advanced economics. I blame it on the system and the years of HC spent learning hyphthetical math, then spending 1/2 a year learning real-world economics.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, theres nothing real world economics when it comes to the salary cap. You can blame the system if you like (you can never go wrong blaming the system), but I prefer to blame the NFL for coming up with an unneccesarily complicated salary cap system.
It’s looking like we won’t have to mind the numbers next year.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
Really, they cut him just to save $500K?
No, they cut him because he stunk and was overpaid, and they just happened to save $500K in the process.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Since that’s the case, they better be cutting some more guys today….
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I wonder who you have in mind? Drum roll please…
Aside from Kelsay – who else are you giving the old heave ho to?
Kelsay would probably be on the list :)
Royal, though I think he does have some value.
Spencer Johnson, though he has a little value and we don’t have any other backups. I don’t feel like creating another hole, though he is pretty overpaid.
Roscoe
If you are going to cut one overpaid guy who has underachieved, why are other guys getting a reprieve, when they’ve been even worse?
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If you are going to cut one overpaid guy who has underachieved, why are other guys getting a reprieve, when they’ve been even worse?
More are probably coming, but Dock goes first because of his ginormous deal. That’s really the long and short of it.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I briefly forgot about Roscoe. I tend to think you could get something for him though.
I’m keeping Royal through camp still, but I get teh feeling he may get the hook, from what I’ve read today.
I’m bigger on Spencer Johnson then a lot of people around here. I think he’s a quality player. Maybe a little over-priced, but nothing to fret over.
I agree Roscoe could be valuable to another team. I would definitely investigate a trade for him.
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But OUTSIDE of the division. I fully believe this organization just doesn’t understand how to utilize him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
Am I the only one who has notice the trend of free Agent bust? Not just for the Bills but other teams? Look the Jags last year bringing in a true number one receiver (Porter) was suppose to put them into the super bowl and they didn’t even make the playoffs and let’s not even start on what the Raiders did. All these guys’ sign huge deals and get released the next year. I know that we all want Buffalo to be huge players in FA but we must be cautious and I think it’s more important that we keep the talent we have and resign the few good players we have, sign tier two and three players for depth, and concentrate on the draft. If we didn’t let all our good players leave after their first contracts maybe we would have more skilled players and depth instead of a lack of talent, but we have to draft a first round CB every other year.
That’s why you build through the draft and get as many draft picks as possible.
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Not to the Bills ears. They love throwing picks away to move up for mediocre talents.
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But
Poz was the #1 rated LB on their board, right? LOL…
Great plays don't make great players; great players make great plays.
Willis was, but he was long gone before we even drafted Lynch
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
You are correct
In general, free agent “SAVIORS” bust. They can’t possibly live up to the $$$’s required to beat out the competing teams in free agency. The free agents that work out are the Bart Scotts of the world. As evidenced right here in Bills territory. Little money, above average production, smiles on everyones face. In general, if you are saying I LOVE that guy, walk the other way. He will never live up to the deal.
What hurts the most with Dock isn’t that he’s gone it’s that he already received more than 18 million dollars. Thats what FA does. If you want to know about filling your team with free agents trying to get to the promise land, see Daniel Snyder’s Redskins over the past decade. If you want to see the proper way to run FA, look at the Pats over the past ten years.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree up to the “ASAP” part. He’ll sign somewhere.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
How funny would it be if he sat around unsigned all summer? Wouldn’t that be a major slap in the Bills FO’s face??
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he won’t sit around,m someone will pick him up, probably tomorrow
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
Note: For a lot less than the Bills were paying him.
Anyone think the Bills will re-sign him? Just kidding guys…..
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
maybe not asap
but very soon, as soon as some teams look over his stuff. he might not work for us, but a change of scenery can do wonders for people sometimes.
This could really hurt the team
in the fact that there is now players questioning the FO. Why would you sign a guy to a HUGE contract and then cut him? I agree he wasn’t playing great, but seriously look who he was playing next too! Peters who just loafed through the year and NOBODY at center. Poor guy was loaded and in a great position for the rest of his life and now he has NOTHING (not even a job).
Does this completely kill the chemistry any of the chemistry on offense?
I thought Kelsay should get the boot first. The Ko “I’m worth millions” on the same day.
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
He has nothing? Really?
He collected $18.5 million over the last two years. That sucks, he better apply for unemployment. Hopefully he’ll be better off than I and actually qualify.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 26, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
If I made 18.5M I would be set for life, yo.
I don’t think it kills chemistry. It shows the guys that if you don’t perform to your contract you can get cut. Do you think people are gonna sulk because Derrick Dockery got cut?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Owen Daniels Tendered at the highest level
This is about fifteen minutes old. I woulda posted it as a FanShot, but SBN thinks that the URL I post is invalid because the servers over at ProFootballTalk.com keep going in and out.
No TE, no C, no LG this is looking REALLY BAD
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
Actually,
it’s looking exactly as I thought it could turn out. However, Dock’s dismissal is the stingray under the sand of the ocean floor.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Robert Royal released as well...
Thank God! Good riddance!
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3936197
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PULL THE TRIGGER!
COME ON – WHERE IS KELSAY?
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
I never thought Royal was quite as bad as his rep around here would leave you to believe, but I can’t complain about Buffalo freeing up another mil or two by cutting a mediocre player.
Royal is better than Schouman
But Schouman +$2M is better than Royal
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Roberty Royal fumbled 6% of the times he touched the ball.
Thanks for the stat Ron! That is worth cutting anyone.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
My biggest worry here is that the Bills will pull a Washington move and sign too many FA's
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
never.
I would bet the proverbial farm on this.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Well as long as they are good FA's
I wouldn’t mind an influx of vets into this locker room.
I highly doubt they go all Dan Snyder on us – they might overpay for FA’s but I don’t think they’ll overpay aging vets. Then again crazier things have happened.
Then again crazier things have happened.
Don’t forget we got DJ running the show here. Im not talking about overpaying I am talking about lack of chemistry and bringing in older guys that can’t move at the speed of lightning like a lot of second and third years guys CAN.
What happens when the Bills don’t make the playoffs this year either? New coach, lots of old players = REBUILDING – YIKES!
The time to deliver is now and if you fail to do so you will no doubt witness the consequences first hand.
I think YIKES hit in December. They’re trying their best to stash back in the thesaurus though.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
They are trying to win this year.
And you can’t do that with rookies. They need some vets on this team. Almost every good player on this team is young.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
This is a good move. He really sucked. I have to think they are targeting a vet for tonite. At guard, the good list is:
Jahri Evans, N.O., Cooper Carlisle, Oak, Chris Kemoatu, Pitt, Harvey Dahl, Atl, Mark Setterstrom, StL., Kynan Forney, S.D., Jeremy Bridges, Carolina.
A random thought is if they get Jason Brown he’ll play guard. Then it’s Birk or a draft pick.
I don’t think we’ll get Brown though.
everything goes better with a BIG MACK
His name popped into my head, too.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
After the cut,
it would seem to me that Brown has now become priority 1 for this team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
What about Birk?
He is quality and provides the veteran leadership they need. Brown is way over-priced (which is why the Ravens won’t sign him).
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
There’s a new thread up on the Royal release on the front page, folks. Feel free to speculate there who else may get the axe.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions
This probably increases the chance of them re-signing Prenston now
by The Buffalonian on Feb 26, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions
At least short term, I would have to agree.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Not surprised at all
I called for his release on a few threads. I thought that he played horribly this year and i honestly think he was one of the main reasons for Peter’s increased amount of sacks this year.
I honestly don’t think that we need to go after a FA guard, just a big name centre and maybe draft a mid-round centre-guard. We could start a rookie at guard more easily than we can start one at centre, plus we have decent depth on the O-line to allow a a rotation at guard as long as we have a solid centre.
To me Dock’s release allows for a Long extention on Peters and the persuit of a top centre, preferably Jason Brown. The money part of this doesn’t make much sense to me, but a strictly talent side of things, if we can sign Brown, this makes A LOT of sense. I’m liking this move.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions
I love the Canadian-talk. It makes me miss Potsdam, NY, a little.
“centre”
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
oh be quiet :P
Common man gimme a break, I’m french canadian, so when i this blog i’m writting in my third language: american english.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
*when i’m writing on this blog…
wow don’t know what happened there
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
I did give you a break. I miss it sometimes.
So you are originally a french-speaker, eh?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
lol, you lived in Canada?
and yes, I AM french, franco-ontarien to be precise, but I started speaking english at the age of 4, so i’ve pretty much got it down now :p
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
No... Potsdam NY
close enough. We had some Canadian grad students and I was their RA for a year. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions
Close enough
At least you lived among some of us, eh?
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
sure.
One of my supervisors at work in Canadian. He just likes that I like hockey. He makes fun of me about the Toronto Bills and I make fun of him about the Toronto Maple Leafs. :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
LOL
Wow man…. it seems like whenever the Bills do something unexpected everybody acts like they were just woken up in the middle of the night with a bucket of water: angry and cranky.
Everybody’s concerned that because we released Dock and he still counts toward the cap, why not keep him? Well, nobody wants a $7 mill/year back-up…. besides, if the Bills didn’t start him, which they were obviously not planning on doing…. Dockery would have asked for his release anyways.
THE BILLS DID NOT CREATE A NEED BY RELEASING DOCKERY. Dockery’s performance could be replaced by a rookie in the first three rounds as a worst-case-scenario. More than likely (as Geronimo pointed out), the play of Kirk Chambers influenced this decision. Why pay a guy millions when you are getting better and more consistent play out of a cheaper guy like Kirk Chambers? In what way does that not make sense to people?
The Bills will likely move forward with a vet at center, Chambers at G, and draft some projects for depth. Chambers may not be the most spectacular lineman, but at least he was never a liability like Preston/Fowler.
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they could have also released him
because they another deal already set to go at midnight with a better interior lineman
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
Just
one more reason not to freak out
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by ForeignArrow on Feb 26, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like a genius!
I’ve been lobbying for a FA center like Brown or Birk and still wanted to get a guy like Mack in Rd2. My argument was that we would be able to release Dockery and most rumblers found my idea crazy! Who’s crazy now?
Either way, Brown, Birk or Saturday would work and either Mack, Unger or Wood in the draft. Not sure about the timing of it but I agree with the call – great job OBD, now go and get us Brown & Mack!
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Sweet vindication for you.
I am still surprised by the release of Dockery. I don’t know if they will start a rook there but you’re half right.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions
Prelude to Peters' negotiation?
Call me strange, but I’m looking at this from another angle:
Dock might not be as bad in performance as some others on the Bills’ team — he was at least servicable. But the Bills signed him to a big contract, and he was vastly overpaid — one of the most overpaid player on the team. So, aside from being able to find easy replaceable for Dock, could the Bills be saying to Peters: “Look, we are willing to pay reasonable money for you, but if you ask for much more we will be using a microscope to look at your play. The bigger your contract the higher the chance you’ll be considered vastly overpaid, then we’ll cut you in no time. And you know you didn’t play upto your Pro-Bowl status this past year. If you get cut in a year or 2 due to being overpaid, you might not be able to get the money we are offering you now.”
Am I crazy or just dreaming too much?
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