Ravens cut off talks with Jason Brown

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"Albert Breer of SportingNews.com reports, at the PFT safe haven site, that the Baltimore Ravens have cut off talks with free-agent-to-be Jason Brown.

Specifically, the Ravens have informed Brown that the player isn’t in their plans for 2009."

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Hopefully, he’s not in Miami’s plans either after resigning Crowder and Gibril Wilson. That’d be nice if we have little competition for his services…

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2009 12:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

would be very nice! Would certainly fill a gap in our currently weak O line.

by TimEllis on Feb 26, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Holy crap, a Tim Ellis sighting.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

today is test day, so all day I’m sitting here watching kids tear their hair out.

by TimEllis on Feb 26, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha, that’s like torture almost. Awesome.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Weird. That is exactly what I do on the first day of Free Agency.

by thatguy34 on Feb 26, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good call on Crowder and Wilson. I doubt they’d go after Brown now.

by krytime on Feb 26, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They have the money to get one more guy.

WR or center.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok so they either go after Brown or Coles, and we get the other guy. I’d be ok with that. I’d prefer to get Brown though.

by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 26, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What about Birk and Coles? They could swing that with the money....

As much as I like Toomer and Coles, I don’t think they will sign a free agent WR. My money is that they sign Birk this weekend and go after a vet QB with some OG and LB names thrown in for good measure.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

PLEASE THIS IS THE SIGN WE NEED!

After releasing Dock today, I think right now our main priority should be signing this guy, screw the dolphins or anyone that wants him, we need Brown! Owen Daniels is out of the picture now, we NEED this kid!!

by The Wagon on Feb 26, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Interesting here is that the report indicates that “4 or 5” teams will be in the market for Brown. I’d say the chances of the Bills being one of those teams is pretty high.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

oh i hope so

by The Wagon on Feb 26, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dock's cutting is a clear indication the Bilsl

will throw money at Brown. I’m willing to go out there and say its a done deal, we are going to “Show him the Money” or something like that…

If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.

by poz on Feb 26, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

hahaha, please show him the money

and get Taylor back to Buffalo!!! Lets run the ball all year long!

by The Wagon on Feb 26, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d avoid calling it a done deal until further notice, because a) that’s tampering, and b) we already know that there is another center that the Bills really like.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i assume you are referring to Birk?

by CBATL32 on Feb 26, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Quite.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And I prefer Brown because...

He is better suited for the guard position. Actually, they could draft Unger or Mack and decide in TC

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by keysh67 on Feb 26, 2009 6:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Word is that Brown’s asking price is soaring because he’s being courted by numerous teams. Birk is far more likely, probably far cheaper, and probably the smarter signing at this point.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is it silly to suggest his price could hit 8 million plus a year?

by krytime on Feb 26, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not in the least.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't just suggest it...

Assume it brother.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He is, but the Vikings are still going after Birk hard to keep him.

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

vikes

are not resigning Birk….will not happen

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by MARVelous on Feb 26, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Looks like the Vikes were hanging Birk out on a string until they saw what the Ravens would do with Brown.

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by keuka121 on Feb 26, 2009 1:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My take is they might pursue Brown as a guard

Then draft a Mack/Unger/Wood as Center.

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by keysh67 on Feb 26, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would bet the opposite

Center makes the line calls. Better to have a vet if possible.

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by Joe P. on Feb 26, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is it going to be Birk, Brown, or neither? I thnk that’s a nice poll question right about now.

by krytime on Feb 26, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

coughBirkcough

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i’d say the chances of us getting Birk if he doesn’t resign is somewhere in the 90% range

Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?

by J2 on Feb 26, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

90%, really?

by thatguy34 on Feb 26, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if i were a betting man – thats what i’d bet

i think brown’s going to cost too much and Birk is a heady veteran

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by J2 on Feb 26, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t know why, and I can’t put my finger on it. But I get the feeling BG that you think they might go after Birk.

by krytime on Feb 26, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Meh, you’re just hearing things.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And, right on cue, the Vikings are interested in Brown. Birk, here we come.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I like Birk – he’s a little older – but I think he can pull his weight for a couple more years.

your thoughts BG?

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by J2 on Feb 26, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve said all along that I think Birk has a good 3-5 years left in him. He’s worth a pretty significant contract here, and he’d immediately bring valuable leadership to a line that needs it. I’m all for signing him.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thats my opinion too – lets hope so

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by J2 on Feb 26, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I might like Brown’s age better, but you couldn’t ask for a better person than Birk. His leadership is unquestioned.

I know many of you are not hockey fans around here, but some might be. I’d equate a Birk signing to the Rivet trade last year for the Sabres.

by krytime on Feb 26, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Rivet comparison is solid.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you.

by krytime on Feb 26, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you

Birk would probably exceed our expectations, and we might see at least a .5yd/carry increase over last year. It seems like a small number but if you multiply it by 450, that’s money.

by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Birk

I’ll be honest. I watch a lot of Birk living here in MPLS and he is solid, but I will admit his repuatation carries him farther than his play. he does play right next to Steve Hutchinson. Birk can still be a solid center, but to be honest playing against 3-4’s in our division 6 times a year, may not be up his ally. But then again, what center could dominate that matchup everytime? Birk said he is the healthiest he has been in 3 years. So I’m OK, with signing him for his character, work ethic and leadership, but don’t expect a mauler to come in here. He is really solid in the run game, and if we found a guard to be stout to his left along with Butler to the right, he would significantly upgrade the OL and short yardage efficiency

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by MARVelous on Feb 26, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

good assessment Marv

Birk would make an excellent mentor to whoever we draft to play guard for now and replace Birk in 3 years.

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by Joe P. on Feb 26, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I Like Birk but...

Like I said previously, Brown can play both positions – more versatile. I could see us now going after Unger or Mack in the draft and then letting them fight it out with Brown for the guard or Center positions, it just leaves more options than with Birk who has played Center his whole career. The upside of Birk is the veteran leadership.

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by keysh67 on Feb 26, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i know

i mentioned this a few days ago:)

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by MARVelous on Feb 26, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Remind me again...

what will Birk most likely cost?

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think we see Birk hit the market. Word is he is VERY close to resigning.

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 26, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What I want to see if how much less money it would cost to land him vs. Brown.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Where’s this word? The word from a few days ago? Because I haven’t heard a peep since then.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Is Dock's money for Brown?

And if so will the money go to his head as well?

Is Brown an “upgrade” over Dock Brian? I know they play different positions.

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 26, 2009 12:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Brown is an upgrade over every lineman we have on our roster (excluding Peters)

and maybe including Peters.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Are they not "negotiating" for the past few days??

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 26, 2009 12:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Well obviously they probably have been, but generally when things get “VERY close”, you hear about it.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

True - what is YOUR value of Brown to Dock?

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 26, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You mean Brown to Birk? I like Brown better.

I think Brown to Dock is pretty self explanatory. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn't think Dock was all that bad

he just got terribly lazy on some plays this past year.

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 26, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

any chance we go after Birk AND Brown and put Brown at guard?

by CBATL32 on Feb 26, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No, there’s no chance of that. We won’t spend that much money.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don’t see why not. There isn’t much else out there to spend our money on. And o-line should be a top priority for us (especially since we won’t address the pass rush in free agency)

by CBATL32 on Feb 26, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If we’re giving two mega deals to offensive linemen, one of those deals will go to Jason Peters before both of them go to new faces. They might sign Brown/Birk and a Geoff Hangartner or Brandon Moore type, but they certainly won’t get both Brown and Birk. There’ll be too much interest from other teams and not enough money to go around here.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Have you noticed who’s available at WR?!

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Welcome to the blog CBATL32!!!!!

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You do realize

We could end up with exactly the same scenario we just faced with Dockery, only more expensive. How much guaranteed money will there have to be to get him, $20mil? How much better would Brown be than a Birk/Meester/Hangartner and Top 3 center from the draft combo?

by syrbillsfan on Feb 26, 2009 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

This is exactly why I think we’ll go after Birk.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wow Birk AND Brown!!!

if that happened we better not pass the ball all year, bring in taylor and let the 3 headed monster plow through!!( ok thats the last time i bring up the 3 headed monster)

by The Wagon on Feb 26, 2009 12:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

sorry

by The Wagon on Feb 26, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry for what?

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i keep bringing up signing Taylor and just runnin the ball all year long(thats if we spend all our FA money again on our OL

by The Wagon on Feb 26, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, well I think most of us agree with you, so no need to apologize.

Brown and Birk just ain’t happening, though.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How about Saturday and Brown(or Birk)??

by The Wagon on Feb 26, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Still too much, methinks. Seriously – keep Geoff Hangartner’s name in mind.

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Plus Saturday keeps talking about playing gaurd for the Steelers...

why come to the Bills when you can play for the Steelers? I suppose he does have his ring though so maybe money is speaking to him more than a championship.

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by MattRichWarren on Feb 26, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The PHinsider has the same exact topic up on their front page, haha

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by Kurupt on Feb 26, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Stupid bastard Dolphins. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Feb 26, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I really don't like the Fins - they aren't fatherless though - I still HATE the Fins

Lived in PHX for a while and going to Florida is a terrible comparison.

Will never live or vacation there again

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by Cutter3636 on Feb 26, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Living there is like walking around with a damp, stinky towel over your head all the time.

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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 26, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So it’ll be the Fins and Vikes in hot pursuit of Brown. Hope the Vikes win.

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by keuka121 on Feb 26, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thought:

Is there ANY chance the Dolphins also look at Birk? He’d be great for them for the same reasons he’d be great for the Bills. I don’t know if Brown is all but done for the Bills.

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