WR Coles, QB Fitzpatrick, OG Simmons visiting Buffalo
by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 9:33 AM EST
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Last night, word emerged that the Buffalo Bills had scheduled a free agent visit with Panthers OL Geoff Hangartner. We now know that three additional players will be joining Hangartner in a tour of the facilities at One Bills Drive, thanks to WGR 550.
Jets wide receiver Laveranues Coles, Bengals backup quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick and recently released Steelers offensive guard Kendall Simmons will tour the facilities in Buffalo today with Hangartner, COO Russ Brandon revealed this morning.
Coles was released by the Jets earlier this week after reportedly refusing a $6 million guaranteed payment. Coles has not ruled out a return to the Jets, but is very obviously exploring his options. Depending on the price tag, Buffalo could make a serious offer to Coles and immediately see their offensive viability rise dramatically.
Fitzpatrick is a three-year veteran out of Harvard who has spent time with the Rams and more recently the Bengals. Playing in thirteen games in place of injured starter Carson Palmer, Fitzpatrick completed 59.4 percent of his passes and threw eight touchdowns as compared to nine interceptions. A smart and generally mistake-free player, Fitzpatrick fits the profile of what Dick Jauron looks for in his quarterbacks.
Released by the Steelers, Simmons played in just four games in 2008 after tearing his Achilles tendon early in the season. He is expected to be completely healthy by the start of the 2009 season. A first-round draft pick in 2002, Simmons is a potential replacement for released OG Derrick Dockery.
Bills begin dealing with OT Peters, too
Buffalo is also attempting to get a new deal done with one of its own, as the team has reportedly made a significant contract offer to left tackle Jason Peters, according to WGR 550. The exact parameters of this offer are not yet known, but the offer was made around the time of the close of the 2008 season. It is not known if significant progress has been made since that point.
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This is amazing!
The Bills could realistically sign every one of these players and every one of them would start day 1 except Fitzpatrick.
Win now I guess.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure what Simmons is going to do at your facilities. Drink a latte?
Simmons used to be a capable guard. Then he got diabetes, this was a few years ago. Since then he has gone downhill. Simmons noticeably struggled in 2007 and acquired the loving nickname of “turnstile”. In 2008 we replaced his left-hand-man the center with someone more capable. This did not help Simmons game and while he started off better than in 2007, he was still not very good. When he was injured we replaced him with a 2nd year UDFA that only has the bulk to play center…our line immediately improved.
That was Simmons. It is no longer Simmons. Simmons tore his achilles last year, a very difficult injury to come back from, especially for a diabetic overweight person. I wouldn’t get your hopes up too much, I very much expect your doctors to take a look at him and then for him to head elsewhere. His achilles cannot be rehabilitated by now, maybe by the time the season starts, but it’s one of the worst injuries for a football player let alone an OG to get stuck with. Most of the weight rests on the achilles and it has to support several times the players weight, add on to this the additional press of DEs running into him. I’m not a doctor, but Simmons is done.
Lastly, my closing coup d’etat for why not to get excited about Simmons. The steelers are fairly tight against the cap. By cutting Simmons before June 1st we have moved his signing bonus all the way up to this year. If we didn’t cut him he would have been about a $6 million cap hit, since we did cut him it is a $5 million cap hit. The steelers have no depth at guard right now. Why would they cut a position of need that saves them virtually no money for a 1st round draft pick guard?
You know the answer.
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by steelguy99 on Feb 27, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I doubt Simmons is a serious consideration, too. People get all amped up, but these are just visits, folks. Kicking the tires, if you will. I’d be happy if they get Fitzpatrick and Hangartner out of this slew of visits.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hangartner is the type of guy I like to see being brought in. I hope he comes down the rustbelt to visit pittsburgh after Buffalo. I think he’d get mauled in our division, but if he is cheap enough we are seriously hurting for depth right now. In any event that’s the type of signing I’d like to see for us unless someone wants to let Brown go.
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by steelguy99 on Feb 27, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say we would sign all of them, Brian...
I am an optimist but not crazy!!!! :-)
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kicking the tires or not, this is good news
I like all of them except Simmons, got the same concerns as steelguy99. out of all the visites, i’ll be extatic if we sign Hangartnew, Fitzpatrck, Coles and FLorence. If we can somehow pull off that miracle, then we’d be set for the draft.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info
on Simmons, steelguy. Steeler fans probably know more about him than Bills fans do.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup, I figure that’s likely to be the case so I’ll help where I can. I know nothing about your guards.
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by steelguy99 on Feb 27, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, “probably”? I’d say it’s pretty definite. :)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks steelguy99 – appreciated
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by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info steelguy
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about "amazing" being the right word. Maybe "depressing" would be more suitable
Our starters at those positions can’t all be that terrible.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But they are addressing every need.
Depressing would be not doing anything, right?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For sure
But if it’s doing things for the sake of doing them and not doing the RIGHT thing, then I’m not going to drink that kool-aid. It’s a strategy I agree with, though. Stay away from the big names. Look for depth and hidden gems in free agency. Real talent is to be had through the draft, but we’ll have to be patient on that front. I’m anxious to see what Hardy does this year. I think he’ll look like a different person. I hope. Do you know if he’s supposed to be ready for TC?
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ready for TC????
Ready for full-go? No. Will he be there and running routes? Maybe at half speed to start and full speed by the end or something. If they go hard after Coles and/or another WR, expect a no to that question. If they let Coles walk without much of a fight, then they expect him to be back.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
MRW is right, we will be lucky if Hardy is PUP'ed by end of TC
Yeah, he can be active, yeah he can run half speed by TC, but he needs a full year, all players with ACL injuries in sports like football, basketball need a year to completely recover, I expect the Bills to activate him come week 6.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect the BIlls to keep him active.
There have been no complications. I don’t think he will be PUPed anymore. I think he will be ready by the end of Training Camp like I put above. If that’s the case he will be full go for the season opener.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very much agree Matt!!!!
Now this is the type of F/A’s I want to see visiting…..If we sign these guys they are definitely potential starters day 1 as you stated. Fitzpatrick would be a viable veteran backup as well.
by Hambone on Feb 27, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So far so good
So far, I like every player the Bills are bringing in and could contribute right away…
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by chaosthepitbull on Feb 27, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coles
To me, it is not an absolute necessity that a team have a top flight TE, so would a Çoles be enough of a weapon, or would most believe we would still go after a rookie TE no matter what?
I think we would draft a TE, but I am not sure I see one coming in FA, unless some sort of trade occurs.
So if we do get Coles, what does that mean for the WRs. Who is the odd man out?
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by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 9:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We only have 2 TEs on the roster.
They will draft someone for sure.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
We definitely need help at the TE position.
I’d love to see us trade down & pickup Pettigrew. Imagine Evans/Coles with Johnson/Reed in the slot and Pettigrew/Fine at TE, I’d be very happy indeed.
NOTE: Does anyone know how good of a blocker Coles is? Does he get nasty a bit or is he a primadona that avoids contact?
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by keysh67 on Feb 27, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great news
I would really like the Coles pickup – that could be nice
Glad their negotiating with Peters – get the man signed (just not too much guys)
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by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow, the Coles thing is surprising. I thought no vet WR….
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 9:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Geronimo is lurking around here somewhere...
What’s he think about this? I just saw him on the other post.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
coles
is an answer to my friggn prayers……i just hope we can nab him and not let him get away back to the Jets or to the stupid Phins
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 27, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thats not going to happen, buts gotta happen
by The Wagon on Feb 27, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
right now they should be laying down 7 a year for coles
by The Wagon on Feb 27, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They won’t.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL I was gonna say, he’s not an answer yet, Marv.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally
something!
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought for sure he’d be down talking to the Florida teams
by The Wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
awesome news
now lets ink some deals :) I’ll take one Laveranues Coles please.
John I.
by jri111 on Feb 27, 2009 9:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
When big-name free agents
such as Jason Brown make their first visit (reportedly St. Louis), they usually don’t leave, right?
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 9:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If I am a big name guy like him I make every visit...
and play teams against each other. Especially St Louis. Pittsburgh… maybe I sign before I leave.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So would you say
that the Bills have no shot at Brown?
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say "no shot".
It may be in infinitesimal but it’s not out of the question. If they don’t get Birk and don’t like Hangartner it could happen. Highly unlikely is better.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"More like 1 in a million"
“…So you’re telling me there’s a chance!” LOL…
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well played.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dumb and Dumber....
sweet.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently he’s going to sign with the Rams
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some info on Simmons
Per PFT:
The Pittsburgh Steelers have announced the release of veteran guard Kendall Simmons.
Simmons, a first-round pick in 2002, ruptured an Achilles tendon in the fourth game of the 2008 season, and was placed on injured reserve.
He was due to receive a salary of $3.1 million in 2009, and his contract ran through 2011.
The Steelers also announced that they have waived linebacker Mike Humpal. He was a sixth-round pick in 2008, but landed on injured reserve during training camp.
The Steelers have several offensive lineman hitting the free-agent market at midnight, including tackle Marvel Smith, guard Chris Kemoeatu, and guard/tackle Trai Essex. The Steelers applied the franchise tag last week to tackle Max Starks.
Don’t like to see that achilles injury. Nasty things. That said, maybe they can get a quality talent on the cheap and if he is able to recover, find themselves a starting guard for pretty good value.
John I.
by jri111 on Feb 27, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
WHAT IF
I drove to Buffalo today, and gave Coles everything in my wallet($31.00) Do you think it would help??
by The Wagon on Feb 27, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just don’t do anything creepy to turn him off. Like hug him or offer to take him to dinner.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll give you ten bucks to help out.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Coles is the best we can do at wr
I’d rather not! He’s sure to be more trouble than he’s worth. Think about it….he complains because his team brings in Brett Favre. He’s an aging premadonna who was never that great, very good but not great. There has to be a better option.
by jimkutica on Feb 27, 2009 9:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously trashing a Pro Bowl WR for us?
Granted it was like 6 years ago but how many Pro Bowls does our team have let alone our WR Corps. Coles caught 70 oasses last year and had 7 TDs and 850 yards. He is a big upgrade.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a big upgrade
agreed
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by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this?
In every season he’s played 16 games (7 of his 9) he’s had over 800 receiving yards and 59 catches….. upgrade.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes he's an upgrade
and I wouldn’t hate it if they got him. I just think he’s going to be asking for more than he’s worth. Of course all free agents do that!
by jimkutica on Feb 27, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anybody would disagree with that statement jim.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 10:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was he not right?
There is not a single person in that organization who doesn’t regret the Favre signing save for the guy who was in charge of jersey sales.
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by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
coles didn't like the favre deal because
he is very close with pennington. that was a big issue. it was about loyalty. he watched the organization dump a guy who had nothing but loyalty to his team for a marketing move. the complaints were founded, i think. how he expressed them, well i guess you can take issue.
but the favre thing turned into a fiasco, so he had a point in retrospect.
coles maybe has a big mouth, but that’s par for the course among wr’s. especially good ones.
i’d take his mouth if we can have his heart on the team. this is a hard working guy who will go over the middle to make big catches. i mean, he got nothing but buddy passes from chad and he still was fiercely loyal to the guy.
this would be a GREAT acquisition, depending of course on the terms.
by oompaloompa on Feb 27, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He complained because his buddy Chad got run out of town
Our own #1 WR complained in 2007 when we replaced his buddy JP with Trent. Hmmmm, not sure why this should be a red flag then, by your reasoning, we should get rid of Lee Evans too because he complained about a QB switch. To be honest, a talent like him we GET if we can. He only costs money, Boldin costs cash AND picks, I want the dang draft picks
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by WABillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree jimkutica
We NEED an offensive weapon! And right now hes the best in FA
by The Wagon on Feb 27, 2009 10:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
after thinking about it
Teams would have fits covering Evans and Coles together. When they double team Evans, Coles will be open underneath and across the middle. I also think he is a good vet to being along young guys like Johnson nd Hardy. I think Reed benefits from this as well. Roscoe might just be the odd man out, and willl be regulated to just a returner, as I think Johnson moves up to WR4 unless Hardy has not only a miraculous recovery, but the light goes upstairs as well.
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by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hardy will be higher on the depth chart than Johnson.
Bank on it.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t bank on it though matt – Hardy will be coming off of his injury and they will probably bring him along slowly at the beginning. I think they will just put the better player in there – I like johnson’s chances more than I like Hardy’s right now
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by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not on the first day of training camp but when Hardy is healthy he will be higher than Johnson.
Unless Johnson has like a mega-superstar camp and preseason. I’d put my money on Hardy.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just see Johnson as the better WR right now – Hardy could surprise – but right now i’m thinking Johnson – just my gut
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by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A year ago one was drafted in the second round...
and one was drafted in the 7th round.
There has to be a reason for that in the Bills eyes. They are at least going to give Hardy every opportunity.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy
I just don’t see it…..the guy needs to just get fully healthy as of now. We hear all the right things about him, but I think the only way he impacts is if, he is the 4th option on a team. At least he will always present that red zone threat
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 27, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it doesn’t matter to me if he was a 1st round or an udfa – if ones a better player you play him – i’m sure buffalo would recognize this as well – well i would hope so
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by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Hardy looked completely out of place this past year. Slow, stiff, not as athletic as I thought, poor hands, no clue how to read defenses, etc…
I’ll be surprised if he ever makes a big impact. Right now, I envision him as a red-zone threat and 4th WR at best….
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of sounds like your average rookie WR
Don’t you think? I think if we give him a chance, in the next couple years he’ll be just fine. The problem here is everyone wants to be better now. We need a little patience and I think we’ll be nicely surprised by some of our guys. Especially WR’s get better with age (at least between 20-30). By next season, we won’t be able to praise Hardy enough.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy will get his chance when healthy
It will most likely come like it did last year. They will tell him to go to the endzone and jump. If he can do that, he might get some more time as long as he starts catching the ball instead of dropping them.
IMO Johnson is currently ahead of Hardy on the depth chart.
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by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Defnitely
On that. I just read how bad Hardy was too many times. He was bad, but so are 99.9% of all rookie receivers. The enigma here is what we saw from Johnson may have been all he’ll ever be, and we may have seen Hardy at his worst. The best would be that we saw both at their worst, and it only gets better from there. Really if all Hardy can do is run straight, jump up and get the TD, that wouldn’t be half bad.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t be fooled into thinking that media exposure doesn’t help these guys get higher up the draft chart. Who even KNEW Steve Johnson prior to his drafting? I recall something of him from combine videos, but honestly, he wasn’t high on the radar for more reasons than just his lower statistical output.
I think Johnson has as much an opportunity to take #3 as Hardy does.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I knew Steve Johnson. I like SEC ball, and he was real solid at Kentucky.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right – solid, but under the radar of most NFL media.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would like that to happen, but I have to be skeptical and then be pleasantly surprised
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by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OH PLEASE
This would make my offseason if they got Coles….and getting Fitzpatrick would be a solid grab as well….DO NOT LET COLES LEAVE WITHOUT SIGNING A DEAL
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 27, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Coles has probably lost a step and a half or so but he is still a solid player. There are few players in the NFL who go up and get the jump ball as well as him.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Baker signed with the Pats
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 10:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Baker and Taylor signings tell me that the Pats have a deal in place for trading Kassel. They were right up against the cap with his $14M included.
I told Brian a few days ago they would likely go searching for a veteran WR, even kicking the tires on Housh. But Coles is a cheaper alternative. I would still be very suprised if he landed here. I still think that Birk is their #1 target. If he, Hangartner and K. Jones ended up here—I would be pleased. Coles would be icing on the cake. Fitzpatrick is OK—DJ’s kind of guy, but Orlovsky may be better.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Feb 27, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who is K. Jones?
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Jones …RB
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Not sure what to think of that.
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
fr more on that topic go here!
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 10:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks!
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by Fort Worth on Feb 27, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
I THINK Coles is a must…..we neeed someone opposite Lee, and the money is there to spend. I really like adding Fitzpatrick…..he has played enough games in the NFL to be a capable backup and someone you would feel confident in if Edwards got hurt….I hope they are serious about Coles and its just not a ploy on Coles’ part to up the bidding war
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 27, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
1 thing to note: Coles own a HUGE compound-like house in the new york area. I’m not sure where exactly but I’msure he wouldn’t want to move too far from it.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They have airplanes nowadays.
They even fly everywhere! You realize that half our team lives in Florida and Texas and Utah in the offseason right?
by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You mean those things that are falling out of the sky like flies now and days? No what are those?
I was simply making the point that Coles has a big investment where he is and he might not want to go too far from it. I really don’t think that is a crazy observation.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So he's going to take a cheaper contract to stay closer to his big investment
in a time when the economy is in the crapper and the housing market is struggling? If you would have said that he’d want to stay closer to his kids I’d give you that but not because he has a big house.
by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No that is not what I was saying at all.
The comment was made that he would have a lot of options, my point was that some of the teams FURTHER WEST, might be less appealing to him because of the distance. Teams like Buffalo, New England, Miami, aren’t terribly far, but teams like Dallas, S.F., or Seattle might be out.
Oh, and don’t his kids live in his house with him?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly, probably.
But you didn’t say that. You pointed out that he had a HUGE compound not a huge family. Kids can move or travel, houses can’t.
SF and Seatle would be out but Dallas is just about the same flight time as Miami. As is any team east of Denver, which is all but 5 of them.
The closer to home thing is an old hackney argument made when plane travel wasn’t as easy or cheap. If you’re not staying in your hometown/homecity/whatever you want to call it you’re just as close to home in just about any city in the NFL.
by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But you didn’t say that. You pointed out that he had a HUGE compound not a huge family. Kids can move or travel, houses can’t.
I figured that would be assumed. Sorry, I will be more specific next time.
SF and Seatle would be out but Dallas is just about the same flight time as Miami. As is any team east of Denver, which is all but 5 of them.
True, but a quick commuter flight to say Philadelphia from JFK, would be far less of a trip then to say Dallas.
The closer to home thing is an old hackney argument made when plane travel wasn’t as easy or cheap.
As a Bills fan who is hoping to get our hands on an “in demand” receiver like Coles, sometimes you have to grasp at straws like this.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he will take a contract to stick it to the team that let him walk
He is making sounds that it was amicable, but you know he is angry about it. He saw Chad get treated like crap last year, they tossed Baker who stood up for himself and the other players that didn’t like how Tannebaum and Mangini did business. The only thing that would bring him back to NY right this moment is 3 things:
1- A sick pile of cash from the Jets
2- The Giants make him their #1 target as Plaxico insurance
3- He needs to check up on the maids in his house.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol like hat third option
it’s also the only likely one of the 3…. which is good for us!
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 28, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Geronimo,
Orlovsky may be better
didn’t he say he wanted to compete for a staring job?
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when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a giant chasm between “competing for a starting job” and “competing for a starting job in Detroit”.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that if Orlovsky is of the mindset
that he wants the opportunity to compete for a staring job, then is the Bills really good fit for him?
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when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Every QB should have that mindset. He’s not the type to make waves, but he’d push Trent.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coles is a player that could help us
he has produced every year. We would be lucky to get him.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 10:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unless the Bills offer Coles
a deal he can’t refuse when he visits OBD, he will sign with Miami.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
He could go back to the Jets too.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is very tight with Pennington and a combination of Coles and Ginn will sell tickets in Miami.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I don’t think a dynamic Coles/Ginn combo would be selling too many tickets. The Dolphins don’t have many star level players, but if they keep winning the way they are, they’ll keep selling those tix….
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guess Again
The Dolphins have a hard time selling out play off games. But a Pennington/ Coles/Ginn trio would be attractive to all the X-New Yorkers living in Dade.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
Why? Would Jets fans living in Miami all of a sudden want to spend big bucks on Dolphins games to see some old veterans?
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with K here. Coles would probably excite Dolphins fans, but it’s not like he’s the type of player that would make the average fan suddenly crave season tickets.
Winning sells more than a free agent wide receiver. The Dolphins are winning, and if they keep it up, they won’t have any issues moving tickets.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but the point is, if the Bills don’t make him an offer that he can’t refuse he more than likely will sign with the Dolphins. The Bills need to take some chances if they are to be taken seriously in the race for the East Division. I know it’s the first day of Free Agency and early, but what teams in the East have so far appeared to help themselves and which teams are stuck in paralysis of analysis?
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buffalo will be the last team to sign someone, while Miami & N.E. already have 2 signings.
Sweet home Orchard Park.
by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Check that. Jets sign Bart Scott. That’s 2 for them.
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
where ar eyou getting these updates?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
http://blogs.nfl.com/2008/10/
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry!
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks bro!
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Don’t the people at OBD know what players out there can help them?
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda frustrating right now, but it is so very early, and there is still some names to be had. Although I am starting to feel a bit desprate.
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It really isn’t frustrating. We’ve been into free agency for 12 hours, and we’ve had SEVEN players pass through our doors over the past couple of days. Where the hell is the disappointment there?!
Patience, folks!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, Brian. I know. I said it is early, there are still names. But visits don’t mean signings, and it seems like the three teams who each swept the Bills in the division are approaching FA with more urgency. I don’t think that is too unreasonable to express.
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or maybe more recklessly.
You can’t say that they are necessarily making good decisions can you?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, yeah...
Bart Scott.
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well Ryan knows him...
I’m just saying those of you clamoring for an immediate impact may not be getting the best value for a player.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bart Scott was more valuable to the Jets than the Bills because of Ryan. He’ll be able to get the production out of him. Most likely, the lofty expectations Bills fans would have had for him would never have been met here.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
So it was a good decision on the Jets part. That’s my point. Also, since we opened this can of worms back up, I will add Gibril Wilson to N.E. as another good decision by an AFC East team not named the Bills.
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Scott might not even end up in NY. He’s giving Baltimore a change to match the Jets offer of 5 for $40.
by thatguy34 on Feb 27, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree with all of that. I’m just generally a bit ambivalent to free agency, because I don’t think it’s a good way to build a team. People get all upset about not signing guys right away, but really, it shouldn’t be that disturbing. I’ll take a cautious approach to free agency over wildly spending any day of the week.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you in all aspects but the WR position. I feel going for a vet over a rook better benefits a team.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
If you couldn’t tell from my postings today. The best FA signings for the most part are the depth guys and role players that you’ve never heard of. Basically, if you’ve heard of a guy, so has everyone else, That drives up the price, and teams looking for a quick fix will jump in and snatch ‘em up. Those teams will have to pay the piper some day for their transgressions. All the posts I’ve read today only help me lament that Donahoe showed Pat Williams the door. That is really the only FA mistake the Bills have made. Even dockery was probably worth what he got just because of the stability he provided in the first year of his contract.
The other thing that struck me with the conversations here was that a lot of us have the grass is always greener syndrome. That guy played for that team so he’s gotta be better than what we have! Have the FA’s we’re coveting really been on great teams? Not really. Even Birk, who I like, is an improvement of Preston, but I doubt it would be by much. Maybe the difference would be nil considering Preston could better this year with the experience he got starting, and a whole training camp with starter reps. I don’t know. As bad as he’s been, I don’t want to give up too soon. As dumb as running off his mouth and running out the clock was, they could have run out of time anyway. I liked the fire he showed. It seems to be missing from a lot of the guys in the Bills locker room. I’m going to get crap for saying this stuff.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Birk is an improvement...
If Birk only gets a stalemate with a DT or gets blown back one yard he will be an improvement by not being routinely placed 3 yards deep in the backfield.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bills need to take some chances if they are to be taken seriously in the race for the East Division.
I could expand for days on my fundamental disagreement with the spirit of this statement.
But you’re right in that if the Bills want Coles, they’re going to have to offer substantial dinero. I didn’t think K and I were debating you on that point.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Bills not want Coles? Do they have someone better on their roster to start opposie Evans?
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You misinterpret me. He’s in town; that means they want him. I should have said “If they don’t want him to get away…”
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think giv is right actually
there is no denying that if we want to be a contender at all for the East title we have to make serious upgrades.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you certainly can’t be satisfied with the strategy coming out of OBD over the last nine years? By chance I’m refering to a change of stretegic planning. For example we need a TE. Why not trade with Cleveland for Kellen Winslow. Ops to late, the Bucs did.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I try not to let the plans of a decade seep into the plans for the current season. It’s a terrible idea to do so.
We need a TE, sure, but Winslow is a locker room cancer prima donna that’ll want a new deal from Tampa. They have the money to give him, we don’t. Plus, he doesn’t exactly fit the profile of the type of TE the Bills want.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought we were looking for a TE that could stretch the field?
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right, I think Brian means he doesn’t have the ability to also block as they might reqiure him to do. Also, he’s not the poster boy for great behaviour.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m only trying to point out that what we have been doing for the last nine years hasn’t worked. We need to change our strategy or we will continue to be a 7-9 team. And looking at next years scheduel unless we take some chances 7-9 will look good.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You really don’t need to point it out. We’re all well aware. We feel the pain!
But even that sentiment doesn’t mean making a play for Winslow is a good idea.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Please help me understand. Are all the teams that take a chance and go after players like Winslow doing something wrong. All i know is that the Bills havn’t had a tight end in 9 years.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it’s not wrong, it’s just not ideal for any team. Tampa might have been the only landing spot because of their ridiculous amount of cap room. But they still have to put up with his off-field stuff, his whining, and his new contract. It’ll be prohibitive.
In Buffalo’s current situation, pursuing him made little sense.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I beleive to be wrong is that there was an opportunity for the Bills to upgrade the roster at a position of need for 9 years and we were not willing to take the chance. Instead we will spend our forth draft pick trying to find a TE.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How do you know the Bills didn’t inquire though?
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And how do we know if the deal was private. Also add Winslow’s questionable knees to the list of why he should stay away from Buffalo.
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by the Uncommon Denominator on Feb 27, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know if they did or didn’t. However with the level performance from OBD in obtaining players that produce on the field it doesn’t matter.
by gjv on Feb 27, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and I thought we had money
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
easy to fix
he doesn’t exactly fit the profile of the type of TE the Bills want.
buy him a gun and a bong :-)
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by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and make sure he has $millions
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, the point is not that we want Winslow
but that the Bucs put together a trade for a big time player that they feel is worth it. I would like the Bills to do the same with Brown or Coles.
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when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They did this last year with Stroud.
This is aimed more at thurman, though. The Bills have traded for guys in the past, signed free agents, and brought in guys through the draft just like every other team.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
Whether you like Winslow or not, he’s the type of player who can take a team to the next level.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He can also crash his motorcycle like nobodies business.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So can Roethlisberger
and he has 2 SB rings now.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben is a better player then Winslow.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if you ask Winslow himself, he’ll tell you he’s a “warrior.”
by krytime on Feb 27, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s that next level? More dropped passes?
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He really can
From the basement to the first floor.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cue Don Corleone
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that what this is about?
Trophies? I’ve signed more free agents than you NyahNyahNyahNyahNyahNyah :P
I didn’t think so. The Bills will try to sign those who they those that they like for the money they want to spend. I don’t think they’ve been overly cheap the past couple of years, so why would they be now? 2 years ago they got dockery for over $9mil per over the first two years. That worked great for us.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh, 31 isn’t that old.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Brian…Thank you.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, I knew you’d like that.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know, but he’s going into his 10th year. That’s an old veteran if you ask me. How about grizzled vet, does that work better?
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i second the thank you.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. He’s here, but he’s not signed. Let’s not get too excited just yet. He’s going to have a lot of options.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I think unless he signs today, he is just using us a tool to up his market
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 27, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
The Bills will clearly have to overpay him to get him. His relationship with Pennington is well documented. Not to mention the weather. LOL
One thing though—the Bills don’t bring people in just for a meet and greet. So you can bank on the fac that they are legitimately interested and are well aware of the market forces.
Geronimo
by Geronimo on Feb 27, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
if they like a player (example coles) – would they make a competitive offer?
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
The Bills, por as they may appear to be, will pay the bucks when they want to or have to, or in some cases (Kelsay) who the hell knows why
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, I just looked at coles,games from last year
Bringing him in as a #2 for the right price could be good.
last year though he had only one 100 yard game and practically disapeered in several games with only 1 to 3 catches. This against a pretty soft schedule and with Favre throwing the ball. Say what you will but Favre had a pretty good season overall even though he pettered out at the end of the season.
It’s got toget done at the right price and that’s not likely.
by jimkutica on Feb 27, 2009 10:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Disappearing
Probably had more to do with Brett Favre gunslinging to whoever might be downfield, especially if they are quadruple covered.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WGR has learned that the Buffalo Bills offered Jason Peters a new contract at the end of the 2008 season, as they promised before the season began.
Wait, so they offered recently or almost 2 months ago?
I’m guessing it means they offered it in the offseason following the 2008 season, meaning in the last few days or so. I wonder what terms they offered?
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I read that but that interpretation didn't occur to me...
good eye K
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can only guess, but here goes
5 yrs, 45mil, 25 guaranteed….maybe thats a bit high, (or low?), but it is a guess I just pulled from thin air to start the guessing game
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by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a good offer...
but below what he will be asking for.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think that he’ll be asking for something like $64.7M over 8 years with $35.6M guaranteed through first four years. Breakdown: 1) $9.4M; 2) $9.15M; 3) $8.7M; 4) $8.45M; 5) $7.5M; 6) $6.5M; 7) $5.7M; 8) $8.75M.
If that we’re the deal it wouldonlybe $55.95M over 7 years.
by BBFan4Ever on Feb 27, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you guys are overestimating the type of guaranteed money he’d get. He’s not going to approach the type of money Haynesworth got.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And to think, I was thinking something along the lines of $56.35125 over 7 years.
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d hold out for $56.35130 if I was him.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He probably will
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And then hold out next year for another redo of his contract. Would that be the 4th time?
by labill on Feb 27, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll hold out
for more zeroes after the decimal place
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically,
you could argue the season was over by the 2nd week of December!
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to know the one thing I have asked all year. Did he pay back the fines he owes the Bills for holding out? Brian promised me months ago that he will find out.
by labill on Feb 27, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, again, i'm no accountant but
i’d bet they take it off the top of the upfront money for the new contract.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I bet
its just to get the party started…with Jordan Gross’ deal now on the books the Bills don’t have much leverage….they are going to have to pay the man
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by MARVelous on Feb 27, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
seal the deal
Coles seems to be as close as we are going to get to a serious veteran upgrade at WR this off-season. boldin is not going to happen and TJ is going to New York or Philly. I say dont let him leave without getting his signature
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like the Eagles and McNabb
TJ would be huge for them
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
If I were the Eagles I would consider trading one of my firsts for Boldin as well and then signing Ward to let loose against the giants twice a year.
By the way, we’re looking for veteran leadership right? supposedly Dallas and New York are cooling on Ray Lewis. If hes not generating much interest lets swoop in now
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Swoop indeed
I would pay Ray Lewis 8 mil a year right now. That is impact, that is a star, and a leader. Maybe it isn’t right to go ga-ga for the star player, but its Ray Lewis, and that is premier.
3 yrs, 25 mil, 15 guaranteed. Or would he want more than that (longer or money wise)
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You’d pay $8M a year to have a guy jump on the pile late and dance around like a buffoon?
~K
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thought you guys would like that
I retract that statement….it doesn’t make much sense for us…maybe three years ago, but whatever. Derrick Brooks is out there too, just lstening to him on NFL radio and he seems like an excellent player and leader. 78 tackles last year 50 some solo, so I don’t know. He could probably be had for less and be a good leader on the strong side. While it was a down year, he was injured half the season and still played, and could help groom a draftee if we went that direction. Knows the defense somewhat
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just lstening to him on NFL radio and he seems like an excellent player and leader.
That’s exactly why the Bills signed Kelsay to a big deal!
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nice
The Bills CAN win every game
by killascript on Feb 27, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget the fear of death
I know I would stay in line so I wouldn’t get stabbed.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN NFL coverage
Had an excellent clip segment on just how much Ray Lewis doesn’t have anymore. Especially getting to the runner. He takes the right angles, but is at least a step slow to get to them. He’d be alright for $3mil per maybe for a couple of years, but i think that is the wrong direction. (Hope Ray Ray isn’t reading this)
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is slow – you can see it when he’s playing – pass
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
housh
he’s visiting Seattle today….i’d say if Coles leaves the building, let’s get Housh in here tomorrow….
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 27, 2009 10:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd pay a lot more for housh than coles
by jimkutica on Feb 27, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
isnt he three years older?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS WHAT THE WAGON THINKS
Theres no TE available that i even want, sounds like were going to be upgrading our OL, and as some of you may recall, the only team that really blew us out of the water last year was Arizona(they went to the super bowl) so our Defense doesnt need any big contracts, we can get Winborn, players like that, and address the Defense in the draft…Right now, our biggest need is an Offensive WEAPON! SCORING….TOUCHDOWNS…T-O-U-C-H-D-O-W-N-S. Please OBD, show Coles the money!
by The Wagon on Feb 27, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on showing coles the money.
but i disagree that our defense doesn’t need any big contacts – we played some of the worst teams in football last year – 3rd easiest overall – this year we vault to one of the toughest and play offensive powerhouses like Indy and NO and the obvious NE twice a year with Brady back.
I defiantely think we need some impact players on D
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i know, im just saying Coles should be our main priority
by The Wagon on Feb 27, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need production not contracts
We need to find these guys and make them stars, not find guys who made a name and get overpaid. Just because you throw money at someone doesn’t mean they deserve it. Big $$$ free agents only drag down the team that signs them. You need to draft your own, pay your own, and fill positions with role type guys like our Mitchell signing last year. We already saw what giving out big contracts does – Derrick Dockery, big $$$, average production.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here Here!
I agree with syrbillsfan on this one…
by NorCal BillsFan on Feb 27, 2009 1:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
completely agree with the Wagon
I would probably pay a lot more for Boldin and even TJ but we’re not going to get them so lets show Coles some money and watch the Jets get embarrassed by their former starting QB in Miami and their former starting wideout in Buffalo 4 times a year
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Moore
Brandon Moore should be a top target. He is in the prime of his career and is a very good run blocker which is just what we need. See article from NY Post
“In a curious move that has been anticipated for days, the Jets yesterday officially released right guard Brandon Moore to avoid paying him the $7 million in guaranteed money he had coming to him on March 5. Because Moore is in the prime of his career at age 28, has started 73 consecutive games and is the Jets’ best run blocker, this move could potentially backfire the way the team’s decision to jettison left guard Pete Kendall two years ago did. Head coach Rex Ryan has waxed poetic for weeks about how the offensive line is the strength of the team and how much he wants the Jets to be a running team. Now the team has eliminated one of the line’s key pieces, and the pickings on the roster …”
by buffalo69 on Feb 27, 2009 11:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Moore’s been mentioned, but to be honest, I can’t imagine the Bills being thrilled about shelling out big money for another guard after the Dockery fiasco.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they buy an OG in FA, it’ll be an up and coming player, not a vet, IMO. Brian nails it with the team unlikely to spend big bucks on another FA guard….
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See front page for a FanShot about Jabari Greer and the nine teams showing interest in him. That’s over a quarter of the league!
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Only 1 2/3 more teams to get a third of the league! Go Jabari!
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would the Lions count as the 2/3?
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Bills weren’t included in the the 9, so at this point it’s 10 teams. The Lions would count as 2/3 of a team, so we’re still looking for one more team. Come on NFL teams, throw Jabari a bone.
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
unreal
jabari is going to get paid so much money….i hate free agency….it’s so perposterous how teams overpay for guys….i just hope we fill enough holes to get the depth we need cuz the draft we ain’t getting more than 3 tops of players to play a lot in 2009
MARVelous
by MARVelous on Feb 27, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Question: Is this the thread for just random FA stuff? I’m not sure where I should post updates (or where every1 else is posting updates) or where I should post just random musings throughout the day?
by thatguy34 on Feb 27, 2009 12:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We’re trying to keep the Bills stuff on the front page. Use FanShots for other player news.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t that kinda scattered? I’m already jumpin around on 5 different websites. Could we just do another open thread or am I just being a baby?
by thatguy34 on Feb 27, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Make a Fanpost for it
I’m sure we’ll all congregate over there if you do
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that’s probably a better idea. I won’t put it on the front page, because there’s actual Bills-related stuff to talk about there. But for all the other crap accumulating, sure, pop it into one FanPost.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, I started a new FanPost. It’s my first FanPost so if I did something stupid, be sure to chastize me for it.
by thatguy34 on Feb 27, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing stupid at all, looks fine.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bring in coles
coles would be the perfect compliment to evans. you need to put some playmakers around edwards, and i think you could live with a good rookie pass catching TE if you get coles. fitzpatrick is a nice backup def worth it.
by LIBi on Feb 27, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How does Sage Rosenfelds get 9M a year from the vikes?
How is that possible
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure it was 3 years, $9 million.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh sorry wrong forum anyways.......
and I just woke up…….so I did read it wrong……..lol
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
too much root beer last night, eh?
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That stuff can be killer the morning after. Especially when mixed with water.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whew
my faith in humanity is still intact
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TSN/ESPN is reporting 9M 2 year deal for Sage
and I honestly can’t believe he’s worth that
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's pretty fair
That’s a good signing by Minnesota, as long as he keeps his feet on the ground.
by syrbillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BIRK
I have not heard hide nor hair of BIrk. Anyone else hear anything?
by south123 on Feb 27, 2009 1:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We have the most frequently injured QB over the last 6 year in the NFL, and our answer so far is Ryan Fitzpatrick.
Amazing. Isnt talking about Coles a little bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.
by Thronsen on Feb 27, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If the Bills are the Titanic
then we have already hit the iceberg. Nothing else left to do
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just keep playing that music Joe
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No F#$%#@! way
I am going to go bribe someone and get on a lifeboat!!!!
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im gonna find the hottest woman on the boat
and make the most of my last few minutes
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
by poz on Feb 27, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good call.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just try to stay dry. That cold water could ruin your plan.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick game of shuffleboard?
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im gonna find the hottest woman on the boat
She will be on the lifeboat in the seat next to me!!!!!
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, they have the movie to boot (Bufalo ’66)
"Buffalo Bills Football 2009 (sponsored by Labatt): A Future as Uncertain as the Beer You’re Drinking"
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Timmy Graham's take on these guys....
He doesn’t give much new information…. but does speculate on why Coles was brought it.
Although the Bills have suggested they wouldn’t go after any high-priced free agents, there’s a belief they became excited enough with the idea Fred Taylor would join their backfield that they might reach on Coles to add a little star power.
The Bills need to generate excitement among their fans, who perked up when Taylor came to Orchard Park this week for a visit. Fans certainly would be energized by a Coles signing. He’s a bigger name, and the Bills need a No. 2 possession receiver to help open up the offense for Lee Evans.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
way to state the obvious Timmy
although I would love to have Coles, we need him…. i guess that why it’s stating the obvious.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhh God.......Please let the Bills sign Coles or TJ Hoozzz. Amen. And Brown....and draft Mack....and Maybin
…..and help Lynch lay off the bong and not shoot or hit anyone with his car….Amen
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And thank you for mini skirts and thong underwear....not for me to wear....well you know!!!! Amen.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure….Joe….not for you to wear……sure.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
by sireric on Feb 27, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just got my tex from the Bills...
Fitzpatrick is in the building….
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ryan.....look at the shinny watch....you are getting very sleepy.....you want to play backup QB for the Bills
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
by Joe P. on Feb 27, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick, now go get Lavernius
I think this stuff is working…. oh and someone go kidnap Jason Brown, this might work on him too!
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Best news of the new year
~K
"I’m Kurupt with Buffalo Rumblings. I am worth hundreds!"
by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted someone a little more seasoned to back-up Trent.
But we could do a lot worse than Fitzpatrick.
Playing Eternal Optimist at Buffalo Rumblings since 2008.
by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, then pour some Lawry's season salt on him and that should do the trick eh?
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
by WABillsfan on Feb 27, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
delicious
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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