League sources tell us CB Jabari Greer has been receiving interest from several teams including the Denver Broncos, New Orleans Saints, Detroit Lions, Cleveland Browns, Atlanta Falcons, St. Louis Rams, Baltimore Ravens, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and New York Jets.
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Bye Bye Greer
Yet another home grown player that we will let leave.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
There’s a difference between letting someone leave and having him ripped from your grasp by idiotic spenders.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
We will see how much money he gets,
but the result is the same. We have money, but can’t seem to figure out how to spend it.
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when they come for you?
Big difference between spending money, on doing what Al Davis and Dan Snyder do.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Do you really think Greer is going to get a Champ Baily type deal?
Come on!!!!! Are the team interested in Greer as a starting CB or the nickel who can start if someone gets injured? If it is the latter, then why can’t we pay him what he is worth?
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when they come for you?
No, but I think he’ll get at least a Kelvin Hayden deal. Hayden got $8M per season. Greer will too.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
yeah – 7-10 mil per year is likely – I bet we offered in the 6/7 mil range
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
Why is Greer worth more to other teams than the Bills?
If you want to point to dumbass owners like Snyder, fine, but that is not the only team interested in Greer.
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when they come for you?
See below – they’re desperate.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Amen! Tell it preacher!
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Let leave? I mean, the team offered him two contracts in the past week. You can’t really blame them for him wanting to test the waters, and I really don’t want to see this team paying $8M a year for an average CB. Maybe you can say they should have been proactive and gotten him signed last offseason, which I can understand, but he had started for less than a year and wasn’t that great, so even that would have been a bit questionable.
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Teams win super bowls overpaying for cornerbacks
Its true! You know the 49ers have had been in the playoffs every year since they signed Nate Clements to a blockbuster contract.. wait a minute.. I meant to say UGH. If someone wants to overpay for Greer, let them. New England got to a Super Bowl having Troy Brown moonlight as a cornerback.
And you think the Bills operate the same way as the Pats?
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when they come for you?
If only
if we did those 4 straight SB loses would have been wins and we would have kept Flutie and still be going in the playoffs today… i wish we operated like the pats… well you know, without the cheating.
by CanadianBillsFan on Feb 27, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Booooooooo
those other teams – THEY HAVE SAN FRANCISCO VALUES
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
Can’t be too bitter if he goes. This is part of the cycle. Bills pick up this type of player (sometimes.)
It is pretty stunning to see the # of teams said to be interested!
Sweet home Orchard Park.
Plus, this will set up perfectly for another 1st round CB draft pick next year. The team can no longer go consecutive years without spending their top pick on the secondary.
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At least they have success some of the time (Clements, Winfield, maybe Leo.)
Sweet home Orchard Park.
well yeah – thats kind of the point – your 1st round pick should be productive – which is why i’m always clamoring for linemen.
so we draft skilled positions in the first – that are usually starters – and then they become good (which we kind of already thought) and then after their good, their contracts expire and we let them go because we can afford them – good philosophy
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
History says, don't get attached to Leo
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The bottom line is that corners and receivers change teams more than any other positions because there’s so many of them.
Teams lose corners all the time. It’s an important position, but it’s also grossly overrated. You have to have 4-5 good players at the position in today’s NFL, but to overspend on any one player is a terrible idea.
The teams that are looking at Greer are desperate for CB depth. They’re offering mega-star money to a good player. He’ll play well for one of those teams, and then he’ll get cut because his contract is too prohibitive. It’s the circle of life, and really, it’s not too upsetting. It won’t be upsetting if it happens to McKelvin, either.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
I bet he goes to the Saints where Jason David and Randall Gay see a lot of themselves in Jabari. He’ll proceed to stink just like they do.
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Not sure about that. The Saints have Ron Bartell in today…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
If we didn't have to keep trying to replace corners
Maybe we could spent some draft picks on….Oooooo…..I don’t know…….a DE, DT, or LB maybe.
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when they come for you?
Who said we had to replace the corners with first round draft picks?
That’s an entirely different animal.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
My bad. I thought you did. I read “top” there for some reason.
Still… what’s wrong with a pick like Reggie Corner to bolster depth? CB is a position where you never have enough. To expect to go a draft without addressing it is a bit unrealistic. We did it once here (2007), and it backfired, and we had to draft 3 the next season.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
What is wrong with paying Greer?
I can’t see putting all of the effort into grooming player into a NFL starter and letting him go. Clements got way to much…..I agreed with that move, but unless Greer gets similar money, I think you need to keep your players.
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when they come for you?
If Greer gets $8-9M a year, isn’t that close enough to Clements? He’s worth nowhere near that much.
~K
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it is called inflation.....how long ago did Clements sign that deal, 3 years?
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Even with inflation
Greer isn’t worth $8M, and neither are the majority of the other CB’s going for that amount….it’s ridiculous.
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Why, It is the going rate?
Bread used to be a nickel too!
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when they come for you?
Only a elite DL is probably worth 8-9mil per year. elite LB 6-8, DBs really are a dime a dozen. Their play is largely dictated by the defensive linemen and LB’s. By the time defensive backs are UFA’s, they are headed towards a decline. Even though they are at their peak, their free market value won’t even match their production. What you’d end up with if we signed Greer at the going rate would be another Kelsay situation, only worse. Within a couple of seasons, maybe sooner, you’ll be calling him overrated and not worth what we’re paying him. Considering interceptions seem to be valued above all else, how many picks would Greer have to get to be worth it? 16? That’s 500k per. I know you’ll say, “HE contributes so much more than that”, and I say that you’ll say that now, but at the end of next season or the season after that everyone will say “He’s only had 6 picks in two years!”. See where this goes. I would agree to pay him no more than $5 mil per. If that’s not enough, we have options.
If $9M per season was too much for Nate Clements, then $8M per season is too much for Greer.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
Same with Left Tackles
For whatever reason they get all the credit. The best O-Line’s do their thing and you can’t recall the name of a single one of them.
Hey, we’ve got him for 4 more years before someone will pay him $12M per season.
~K
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I would not count on 4 years, not if he decides he has outplayed his contract!
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well
we could use Florence then. Cuz you know Yoboughty can’t make it thru a whole season not getting injured and if anything happens to McKelvin or McGee we’re screwed
MARVelous
That’s exactly what Florence was/is. An insurance policy to Greer leaving.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
as soon as I saw Florence coming here I knew that Greer was most likely gone – first thing that popped into my head ……meh
everyone knows that i want the kid to stay – so i’m obviously unimpressed right now
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
Greer is one of my favorite Bills players. Even when he was a “scrub” I was high on him.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Domonique Foxworth just signed a deal in Baltimore that nets him $7M annually and $16.5M in guarantees.
Greer is going to be a very rich dude.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions
(And for those of you who enjoy The Office, that was a Kevin reference.)
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
If we really want to sign Greer then we need two men on this
That’s what she said
no time
but she did
NO TIME!!!
"Where else would you rather be than right here, right now?"
HA. That one is awesome.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
Will Greer get more or less than Foxworth?
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when they come for you?
More.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions
ALOT more, Foxworth isn't close to his caliber of player, this is gonna be sickening
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
another one goes
I still don’t see why we don’t just extend Greer for a while, hes young and solid. Do we really want to wait until we have to spend Big Al money on a superstar DB to actually keep one for a change? When they said that Winfield and Clements were too expensive, fine I bought that, I wasn’t happy to see them go but at least they could sell it. Now Greer is too expensive? What corner won’t be too expensive to keep some continuity in the secondary?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
To answer your question......
Dustin Fox………
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
the man speaks the truth.........Fox is exactly the kind of player the Bills like to sign
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when they come for you?
and sign and sign and sign
they’re going to sign him every year until he’s 40
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gotta love those OSU buckeye secondary players......
if Jenkins somehow falls to 11 you wanna be the Bills swipe him up
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
channeling your inner Ron?
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when they come for you?
sometimes
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
oh it could happen.......
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
You I thought you were asking if I would want them to pick him up. You meant ‘wanna bet’ didn’t you? OK, I don’t wanna bet, because I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
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yeah typo on my part......sorry
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
I still don’t see why we don’t just extend Greer for a while, hes young and solid.
Did you miss the part where 9 teams are after him with far more money than he’s worth? Or us negotiating hard with him throughout the week?
Sometimes, you just lose a guy. It’s not that big of a deal.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
If only
Sometimes, you just lose a guy. It’s not that big of a deal.
that were true. I would be happy with sometimes. Do we really have to list the players the Bills have let go who have ended up in the Pro Bowl…..starters on playoff or SB teams!!! We let people like Pat Williams go then can’t figure out why our run defense sucks!
The point is, we need to be better at keeping our homegrown players that are in their prime. If we are going to lose them, it had better be to mega deals like Clements got. You have to know when to sign someone like Greer or Jackson and trade someone like Peters. The Bills don’t seem to have a clue.
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I won’t argue with the “we need to keep our players” sentiment, because I happen to agree with it. But I agree to an extent. Greer’s an exception because it’s just not fiscally responsible for the Bills to bring him back when they’ve got the depth and bigger fish to fry.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Then they better break out the big bait
If you want to catch big fish, you need a big hook!
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
actually you need A HOOK. Do the Bills have one?
~K
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we will see very soon.
You also have to know how to fish. Some teams know how to jig to keep the bait in front of the fish they want. The Bills seem content to let it lay on the bottom. If you leave your bait on the bottom, you catch bottom feeders!!!!
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Wow, great analogy Joe P. Seems too true.
by thefourwinds on Feb 28, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
plus you can draft a replacement for me him a quarter of the cost
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
What is the Bills mission statement?
“We are the Salvation Army of the NFL”
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the Natty Light of the NFL
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
They’ve got depth until just 1 major injury. You cannot feel comfortable having the Bills need Corner for any length of time, right?
McGee’s gone next year so I think Greer should have been PRIORITY, regardless of his cost. Losing him for 8 or so mil a season means now they’re going to have to most likely find 2 replacements over the next calendar year. The developmental cycle continues on and on, and Brady and Pennington continue to chew the D up. All this because the Bills either lack the ability or desire to pay up for ANYONE not on the lines.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly!!!!
McGee’s gone next year so I think Greer should have been PRIORITY, regardless of his cost. Losing him for 8 or so mil a season means now they’re going to have to most likely find 2 replacements over the next calendar year.
If we extend Greer we have him and Leo for years as a great tandem. I still think we should re-sign Greer and use McGee and a pick to move up in the draft. Seriously, why can’t we at least suggest creative ideas instead of the usual we can’t afford “X” crap
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
Seriously, the “McGee’s gone next year” thing is premature. How do we know the Bills don’t prefer McGee to Greer and won’t re-sign him again?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why would be expect the Bills to pay top price for a CB?
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Who says McGee will require “top price”?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
I would bet McGee gets a bigger deal than Greer
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when they come for you?
I wouldn’t. McGee will be 30 when he hits the open market, if it gets to that point. If his agent is smart, he’ll tell McGee to take what Buffalo offers him.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Well, put this one in the time capsule for a year.
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I wish Rumblings had a time capsule feature, where we could still all our predictions and see whether they come true….
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That would be cool
have a thread where old posts pop up whenever we set them to in the future. That would be off the hook funny!!!
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Actually, it would real sweet if it prevented you from saying something that was in complete contradiction to something you said in the past.
Sorta like a spell check function, but for flip floppers.
Polliticians would never let that technology
hit the open market!
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McGee’s “dismissal” has been discussed here already, and while it’s all specualtion (every last bit of every discussion we’re all part of from here until April), it’s safe to think that they’ll not dole out more cash for someone who’s aging.
I do think they might value him more for his ST abilities, which Greer didn’t bring to the table.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
really?
resigning a 30+ year old corner is a good idea but resigning a 27 year old isn’t. If Greer will cost 8 mil a year how much will McGee cost?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
Dude, I’m not saying re-signing Greer is a bad idea, and I’m pretty sure you know that. I’m saying re-signing Greer for what his market value is is a bad idea. You don’t overpay a guy just to keep him unless he’s a dynamic talent. Greer isn’t.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
But you also said they might like McGee more and would consider signing him. The point many of us are making is that at some point, if winning is what’s desired, you end up having to pay more to keep the better players. A 30-year-old McGee coming off a knee injury is better than a 27-year-old Greer?
If you don’t care about winning, then sure, keep spending less to keep mediocre or over-the-hill players.
by thefourwinds on Feb 28, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
If Greer will cost 8 mil a year how much will McGee cost?
Less than that in an extension, if that’s what they want to do. However mediocre the Bills staff may be at talent evaluation, it’s light years ahead of us.
Does that really scare you?
Are you really afraid of McGee’s departure? All this consternation proves is the Bills current system is better than you guys think it is. It makes average at best cornerbacks look like what you guys would spend $8-9mil per year for. McGee and Greer are league average or worse, but the system hides their deficiencies. I think sophomore McKelvin and McGee is better than Greer and McGee were last year. I think I would have preferred Greer and McKelvin going into the season, but that is not the reality. What the best will be is McKelvin and X after next season. Nothing against McGee, but it is going to be all downhill from here for him.
maybe we aren't missing anything as you are suggesting and you are?
maybe Greer makes the system look better?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
Then why did the pass defense get better this year compared to last
despite him playing in 6 less games and starting 3 less?
by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Because we were pass defending against Trent Green, Tyler Thigpen and Shaun Hill?
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
funny 289?
You are kidding right? You and others spend so much energy convincing people that despite statistical improvements on defense we were actually worse on that side of that ball last year than in 2007 but now that it fits your arguement you are saying our defense got better? Very funny
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
Pretty sure K’s been leading the bandwagon that you claim twoeightnine owns…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
ah, my bad, I thought it was 289
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
my bad, I thought that was your arguement, I guess it was K's
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
Our run defense
was not that bad last year, but losing Pat was a mistake. I think that was Donahoe, so that kind of explains everything. Cornerbacks though are worth half of what they actually get when they reach UFA. The best way to keep one who is GREAT (ie not Jabari Greer) is to franchise them for a year or two, then let them go on their merry way. Add some primo talent in the front 7 and we won’t have to talk about our defensive backfield any more. I really believe the Bills’ are closer than you guys think to being a really great defense. The Ravens could very well be in trouble after this FA period. We’ll see how good Ed Reed does this season.
I'd understand if it was "sometimes," or even occasionally
but how many other teams lose CBs at the rate the Bills do?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Pretty sure the Colts lost Nick Harper and Jason David in one off-season…
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
and then we wonder
why we draft corners every friggin year
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
What’s the rate?
Winfield in 2004
Clements in 2007
Greer in 2009
I don’t remember any others
So every 2 to 3 seasons? I’m pretty sure other teams have had it worse off.
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All of those guys got huge deals much higher then the players worth.
I don’t blame the Bills at all for letting any of those guys walk.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Winfield was the man
can we all just agree on that?
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
Winfiled was terrible in coverage. He also had hands of stone. When the best thing you can say about a CB who goes YEARS without an int. and consistently gets beat on deep balls, is that he is a great tackler, I’m sorry but the man he was not.
The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.
Agreed
Only guy I ever really wanted to hang onto badly was Winfield
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Winfield and Clements went on to be ProBowlers, right?
Will you feel the same way if Greer does too?
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when they come for you?
I’d bet on Greer getting there if the Ravens sign him. Elsewhere, it’s a crapshoot.
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t think Clements went on to a Pro Bowl in SF. He went as an injury replacement as a BIll.
And I’m pretty sure we’ll never see Greer in a Pro Bowl. I’m willing to place a non-binding guarantee on that.
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by Kurupt on Feb 27, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's more likely:
Greer makes the Pro Bowl as Raven (I know, they have to sign him first), or Kelsay makes 8 sacks?
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by TheAfghanTwilight on Feb 27, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Greer in the Pro Bowl...
easily the more likely scenario. Lower the number to 5 and we can start talking.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
8 sacks for the rest of his career or Greer in the Pro Bowl? Well, I’d take Greer at 1% over Kelsays at 0%
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Sheesh I was even saying in one season not career.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Well he has barely half that over the last 2 seasons (4.5 sacks total). I really don’t see him playing much on passing downs this year, or at all for that matter, and I also don’t think he’ll be in the league that much longer.
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At the latest...
he will be done when his contract is up don’t you think?
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
REALLY???????
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Just stating something more likely
Than Greer going to a pro bowl or Kelsay getting eight sacks in one season. In response to MRW questioning my choice. You know, to put things in perspective.
You really think it's more likely that Kelsay gets 8 sacks?
I am with K on this one. That is 0%. At least Greer could make a bunch of INTs for some team and get in.
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by MattRichWarren on Feb 27, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m willing to place a non-binding guarantee on that.
Rec’d!
by thefourwinds on Feb 28, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Went on to being a Pro Bowler?
He made ONE. In 2004. When he played here. In Buffalo.
by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
my bad....I couldn't remember who he played with when he went to the
Pro Bowl. So……borrow Lynch’s gun an shoot me!!!!
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
our system doesn't require continuity at that position
It doesn’t take cover corners to line up 10-50 yards off the line of scrimmage. Anyways I think that cover corner business is overrated anyway. I’m not saying there are not transcendent talents at the position, like Champ Bailey, I think that once they reach UFA, their actual value to the team gets overblown.
I think your idea of the extensions prior to FA are a great idea for teams like ours in small markets. Worked with Peters (sort of). I don’t know if we had enough of a look at Greer to know what to offer in an extension prior to this off-season.
Overall I think our biggest problem isn’t CB’s. The Bills staff seems quite adept at scouting and recruiting them. Our problem is in the front 7. Improve that, and we’ll be a top ten defense. We really are that close.
winfield
was better than clements….watching him and pat williams here in Minny is just terrible to see how good those 2 guys are. Winfield is a stud tackler and made so many huge plays, sack fumbles, INT TD’s last year it made me wanna strangle Tom Donahoe for letting those guys walk
MARVelous
How many years has he been in MN
Before he put up monster numbers? Fumbles are luck, and sacks by CB’s are created by the front 7 being great. So in affect Winfields success is due to Big Pat’s success. I think that hurts even more. Winfield going wasn’t a mistake. Pat Williams being shown the door in the manner that he was, was a grievous mistake by Danahoe. What a jerk that guy was.
agreed
the front 7 winfield has in minny is awesome…but still Winfield is a stud. Unreal tackler, puts a lick on guys and is as sure as they come in zone coverage and sticking the ball carrier. He is a gamer too, prideful, passionate, a leader. Great teammate. Big Pat is the same. Both those guys don’t miss games, and they add so much to a locker room.
MARVelous
I got to reiterate again, I don't think Greer will get 9 mil
Just because teams are competing for him doesn’t mean they’re treating him like a top level bidding target or that he will get the 8 to 9 mil he wants. I bet he cant get more than 7 mil, 7.5 at the most.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
Yep. And $7M is too much for the Bills to give him.
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by Brian Galliford on Feb 27, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
anything more than 5 is too much IMO
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by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Poz, your smoking something pal, if FOXWORTH is getting 7 mil a year with 16.5 in gurantees?
And we all KNOW Greer is a better talent, your not paying attention to economics of FA then Poz. He WILL get to the 8 mil or more range. With Foxworth getting that sort of cash, he can go to teams and point out that he is a better player and thus worth more. And some idiot will give it to him.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
And some idiot will give it to him.
i would and i wish the bills would
Oh. Uh, will you hold my wallet for me while I take the test, please? There's a thousand dollars in there... or maybe there isn't. Know what I mean?
by J2 on Feb 27, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
better Greer than the idiot the Bills will decide to give stupid money to
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
Really? I think Coles would be worth more to us than Greer for the same dollars.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
Have the Bills signed Coles?????
Don’t tease me, Hollywood.
Bad boys, bad boys whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do
when they come for you?
Personally
I think there is a difference between Greer’s value to other teams and his value to Buffalo. I think Greer plays a great role on this team and offers value in statistics you can’t measure. I think it was Brian who said that no one will value Greer’s intangibles more than the BIlls and I agree with that. I just don’t think other teams will be too impressed but we should be. Hes been great for us.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
yeah
but I do think they should lock up McGee this off-season….the guy is a career Bill, a veteran I have no problem keeping until he’s 32-33.
Man, I wish we would bring in a Safety for a looksie. I hope that happens in the next week
MARVelous
Just to point out
NFL.Com has ranked Jabari as the No. 19 ranked free agent out of 50. Brian, you might find it interesting that Sean Jones is ranked No. 29. I guess that reflect on how much the value of corners is inflated in the market. I’m a little surprised that Crowell and Leftwich didnt crack Kirwan’s top 50. Greer is also ranked higher than Foxworth.
If we can finagle DE Brian Orakpo and C Alex Mack I will not complain about this team for a whole season. I promise.
The value of corners is not inflated
you just try to field a team without them. Every team needs about 3 and there are maybe 60 good ones to go around.
Of course, I’m a Ravens fan who likes the Foxworth signing, so what do I know?
If there's about 60 good ones that means almost 2 per team.
I’m pretty sure every team would love to have two good CBs.
by twoeightnine on Feb 27, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I might have underexaggerated.
There may actually be only 40 good CBs when you take health and other things into account.
Greer and Foxworth are two of them, so they’ll get paid.
You still pretty much want 3 good CBs because the nickel is essentially a starter.
Greer Visiting Detroit first
From sportingnews.com’s blog
Greer to visit Detroit
Friday, February 27, 2009
Posted By Albert Breer 6:32 PM
Buffalo cornerback Jabari Greer is shooting for a Kelvin Hayden-like deal.
And that pursuit will kick off in Detroit.
Greer is slated to visit with the Lions and new head coach Jim Schwartz in the Motor City over the weekend, according to a source.
If the Bills were a drug, I could only hope they were like speed so I could lose some weight as well.
no Jabari.........dont do it.....the money isnt worth it
12/19/08 - Thank you KLJ for coming into my life.
by norcaliangelsfan on Feb 27, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
I love greer
He stands for what Buffalo fans want. I cant blame him for getting his money. He has earned it. I just want him to suceed if he does get paid. Unlike some guys who leave for the money.
I would pay 5mil to keep him. Upwards of that, then why let Clements go for a few million more per year.
How many years can we go without making the playoffs...eventually the odds go in your favor.........right?!?!?
A few million more?
If you double that $5m then it’s a few million more.
by twoeightnine on Feb 28, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
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